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No more thimerosil

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hoxtonchick · 07/08/2004 10:54

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Linnet · 09/08/2004 22:56

dd2 got her men C jab today. We're getting the Infanrix and as we're in Scotland we had no trouble getting it. I asked the Hv today about the 5 in 1 jab but she told me that by the time it comes out (dd2 is 11 weeks old) dd2 will have finished her course and won't get it.

Going by what they said on the news tonight I assume, although I would definitely be double checking if we were in line to get the 5 in 1 jab, that they will use Infanrix as they said that the inactivated polio vaccine doesn't work if given along side a vaccine with Mercury in it.
So it seems to me that they are trying to sell it to the public by telling us that Yes they are taking the mercury out but not neccasarily because it's linked to autism but because the inactivated Polio won't work with the mercury. That's just the way it seems to me.

It's all just so confusing I'm all for vaccination but at the same time they should be telling us the truth instead of trying to hide things from the general public.

Jimjams · 09/08/2004 23:01

BTW DS2's whooping cough exposure came from 4 different children on 2 different occasions. Both occasions he was inside in the same (small) room as then for several hours. Very pleased he didn't get it- I did give him homeopathic pertussin, but nothing else. I was quite worried as he'd ony just recovered from a birth infection. Supposedly pertussis antibodies aren't seceted in mother's milk, I'm beginning to think we have an inbuilt anti-pertussis mechanism going on in my family (20 years earlier- I didn't catch whooping cough when the mother of the 4 children who exposed ds2 exposed me to it iyswim- mind you she didn't catch my meales- she had whooping cough I had measles- we played together whilst we were stuck off school in quaratine- although it appears our mother's had a very loose definition of the word quarantine!).

Jimjams · 09/08/2004 23:03

That's exactly what they are doing Linnet. No mention of the Colombia research or the WHO recommendation that thimerosil be removed. I'd have more trust in them if they came clean.

edam · 09/08/2004 23:10

Jimjams, off-topic as back to MMR, but wondered if you'd seen this? (you need to follow the link and look for April 03). I thought the reference to DoH guidance back in 96 that says MMR is contra-indicated in children with altered immunity was interesting (did anyone mention this to you with ds1? Bet they didn't), and the comments on the epidemiological studies. Although of course DTB does overall come down on the side of MMR.
I used to work for a sister publication of theirs and can vouch for their expertise and independence (not afraid to make themselves very unpopular with drug companies when appropriate) but should point out it is distributed to UK prescribers under contract with the Dept. of Health.

Have just got a letter today informing me that those in authority have made an appointment for my ds to have his MMR ? kindly giving me a number to phone if I want to rearrange! Which I thought was very cheeky. Am now worrying as thought I had longer to work out what to do...

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oiseau · 10/08/2004 10:57

JimJams my DS had a really bad reaction to his first DTP vaccination at 8 weeks (back in June last year). Leg swelling, and inconsolable crying for 3 hours - hideous. I had a GP living next door to me and was so worried I went and knocked on their door - he said it was a very severe reaction (most likely to pertussis element)and he wouldn't go ahead with the rest of the DTP course and he wrote this in my red book for me.

I went to my GP next day as well and whilst they took it seriously (I think because they had eye witness report from my neighbour otherwise am sure they would have thought I was over reacting) My GP and Practice Nurse said they would ring the paediatrician at the hosp to find out what to do for the next installment. In the meantime I did research and looked up the BNF which said don't revaccinate with Pertussis just do DT in the case of adverse reaction like my DSs. The paed said vaccinate with DTaP, I brandished by BNF and demanded DT and got it - so you should be able to get it done I think. Sorry if that is a bit long winded - just wanted to say that it is still licensed and available and my surgery just had it in stock - didn't have to special order or anything?

prufrock · 10/08/2004 11:32

We had the DTaP priately as GP refused to give it, and I refused to let ds be injected with mercury. I am very eagerly looking forward to my arsehole GP calling me back -especially as he told me he would not give DTaP as aP was not as effective - wonder whether he will be following government advice and giving it now?

I don't have a problem with 5in1, as Jimjams says, thay are having 5 now, just as 4 in the injection and one orally. The wonderful Australian Private GP we saw said he had had his kids done with a 6 in one (DTaP, Polio, Hib and MenC) whilst in Singapore, and that there was no proper evidence that combinations of vaccines caused prolems - unlike mercury.

Jimjams · 10/08/2004 15:10

It's no longer an option though oiseau (well it is at the moment but I don't want ds2 vaccinated at all until school age- and then only with tetanus). Apparently the DT and tetanus were quietly removed a few months ago.....

bundle · 10/08/2004 15:12

dd1 had quite a big reaction to her baby jabs - v swollen bit on her thigh which took ages to go down. opted for mercury-free with dd2, because of the advice on fish eating mainly - and she had no reaction at all.

donnie · 10/08/2004 15:18

we are changing the current vaccinations to be mercury free.But that does not mean there is anything wrong at all with mercury filled vaccines. They are fine too. But we are changing them anyway. They aren't 'better' than the existing vaccines.If we said they were better that would imply we had reservations about the existing ones, especially since we are moving to a mercury free zone - people might get the idea - wrongly - that we knew there was a problem with mercury, which is why we are therefore phasing it out. Oh no. Nothing wrong with mercury at all. We just want to change the vaccine.But remember, there is nothing wrong with the current one.Nothing at all.So we admit nothing at all. You can do nothing at all.

Conspiracy,Cover up IMO.

Jimjams · 10/08/2004 15:28

ROFL donnie- but you forgot to muddy the waters further by saying: The mercury is safe, although it has been linked to autism, but we are ignoring that. It's a neurotoxin, but only when found in fish, if you inject ethylmercury directly into a baby's body there couldn't possibly be a problem oh no. However the polio part sometimes causes problems - which we have never denied - we've only denied the autism link so we can talk about polio and say how safe it all is.

Autistic children? They're all unloveable anyway aren't they- weird from birth all of them- 100% genetic we just didn't notice all these weird kids before.....

prufrock · 10/08/2004 15:39

LOL donnie - I was yelling at the TV last night when a spokeswoman was saying "the old jab was safe, but the new jab is safer, but that doesn't mean the old jab was any less safe" Well actully, if the new one is "safer" then that is exactly what it does mean. Stupid woman

prufrock · 10/08/2004 15:40

btw Jimjams I-m sure you are already aware, but there is a class action suit in the US v. EliLilly over the use of thimerosil in jabs.

Jimjams · 10/08/2004 15:45

ROFL prufrock @ the BBC- I was doing much the same.

I'm not sure what's happening with the US law suit- these things seem to take years. Are class actions as impossible to win over there as they are here?

prufrock · 10/08/2004 16:12

not for that woman Julia Roberts played - god what was her name.

Can't believe my surgery - practice nurse has just called instead of GP (think he's avoiding me) they don't know when they are getting new vaccine, but there's no point waiting as they "will have to use up all the old one first" - not on my son they won't. I feel like putting large posters up outside so that no "less aware" mothers get fobbed off into still having the old one.

dinny · 10/08/2004 22:25

So it's the pertussis element of the vaccination that is the most dangerous (not including the mercury, naturally)?
Can anyone advise what is the latest you can delay these first jabs by? Thanks, Dinny

WideWebWitch · 10/08/2004 22:26

Prufrock, do you mean Erin Brockovich?

prufrock · 11/08/2004 13:12

That's the one www.

The press keep on refering to this as the new DTwP. Is it actually a new form of wholecell pertussis, or is it really acellular pertussis? I understood that the wholecell pertussis needed the mercury element to preserve it.

Jimjams · 11/08/2004 16:22

I'm fairly sure its aP as they keep saying that the pertussis element is safer than before.

BTW NO vaccination needs to have mercury or any other preservative added to it. It just needs to be made in sterile conditions. But that costs more- and there were have it...... No idea what the 5 in 1 uses as preservative- but worth finding out I would imagine.

Twiglett · 11/08/2004 21:32

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Twiglett · 11/08/2004 21:35

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Angeliz · 11/08/2004 21:52

O.k this will probably sound daft but have just read that link twiglett and wondered, WHERE do they do these trials on babies............i mean who do they do them on?? I've always wondered!

I have months to think about what the new baby is getting but got reminder today for dd's booster jabs and also single booster jabs
Am thinking of blood tests first.

edam · 11/08/2004 22:28

Have 'asked a question' on the page Twiglett linked and apparently should have an answer in 10 days. In an ideal world this would explain why it is OK to inject babies with mercury when fetuses need to be protected by restricting their mother's diet (oily fish); why adults exposed to mercury are protected with equipment and clothing when it's OK to inject into babies; why parents were not informed that their children were being injected with a neurotoxin; and why they can't be bothered to make vaccines in sterile conditions (thanks Jimjams). How much do you want to bet that I just get the brush-off?

Twiglett · 11/08/2004 22:35

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Jimjams · 12/08/2004 08:39

except twiglett- there was a paper assessing the safety of thimerosil in 193o something. All the patients died- but they said they would have died anyway (as they had meningitis or something) so it was safe. Hmmmmmmm That paper concluded thimerosil was safe. Since then there have apparently been 2000 papers showing that it is not safe.

Really must find the link to the radio show about thimerosil- very interesting- its on mumnet somewhere!

Twiglett · 12/08/2004 08:40

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