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No more thimerosil

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hoxtonchick · 07/08/2004 10:54

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wobblyknicks · 07/08/2004 15:18

aloha - same here - I must be missing the apology bit of the page too. Or would it be on another page, seeing as it would have to be such a huge apology??

dinny · 07/08/2004 16:54

Blood bloody bloody DOH.

The replacement jab is worrying too - how can it be right for a baby to receive five vaccinations at once? I shan't be giving my next baby any early vaccinations. Just wish I hadn't let dd1 have them either.

hercules · 07/08/2004 17:03

I'm very annoyed to have allowed both mine to have the mercury ones when they were a few weeks old! Why the f do they not tell you!
Is there any problems or reasons not to give the mmr at 12 months?

Twiglett · 07/08/2004 18:04

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Jimjams · 07/08/2004 18:12

I really thought this news when it eventually came out - which I always thought it would before MMR- would make me feel good. But in fact I've got angrier and angrier since hearing it. No attempt will be made to identify whether children like ds1 have been affected- even though he fits the Columbia profile exactly. There will be no apology to him/us. There will be no attempt to imprve the education/therapy he recieves and we will still have to fight for every scrap he is entitled to. I know that whenever we have hosptial visits (not too often please god) that I will get the tut tutting when I say my children are NOT up to date with vaccinations and if I dare to say that ds1 is autistic following vaccine damage I will get the raised eyebrows.

And why? because they DON'T CARE. "They" MUST know that it is very likely that many children have been damaged - but they don't care enough to even try and improve their lot. They don't care that families lives have been ruined and destroyed (because it doesn't just affect the child it affects families as well). Children like ds1 are just acceptable collateral damage.

Aloha re the MOD- they did advise that for this gulf war wherever possible multiple vaccinations should be avoided- not in babies though eh?

I still don't understand the 5 jab thing- surely that's what they're doing already?

Jimjams · 07/08/2004 18:13

Twiglett I have come to the conclusion that the Times has stakes in a drugs company. it's very pro-vaccination and very anti loony parents like myself.

Heathcliffscathy · 07/08/2004 18:52

no coverage in guardian either...maybe tomorrow...if not letter are being sent believe me...

hercules · 07/08/2004 18:54

If I had another baby I wouldnt want a 5 in one jab at all.

aloha · 07/08/2004 19:41

Jimjams, have you got a good link to the Columbia paper? I'd love to read it. Or I'll just google it. I don't want my eight-weeker getting a five-in one jab either, and I really regret giving ds mercury-laced vaccinations because I didn't know any better.

daisy1999 · 07/08/2004 19:49

I had no idea there was mercury in vaccines and I now feel ignorant. I know enough about mercury to know it should be avoid at all costs. How long after having the mercury vaccines would any problems show up?

aloha · 07/08/2004 19:49

Found this on the net, though, originally from the Sunday Times.

Autism 'Linked to Mercury Vaccine'

By Rosie Waterhouse (UK Times)
Mercury in vaccines for babies and infants could be the cause of a steep rise in cases of autism in children around the world, according to a growing number of scientists.
The increase in reports of autism in Britain, America and some other countries coincides with a growth in the number of inoculations given to young children, say the researchers.
Many of the vaccines contain a preservative called thiomersal, which is 49.6% mercury - a substance known to have neurotoxic effects, especially in infants whose brains are still developing.
Symptoms are similar to those displayed by autistic children.
Autism is a spectrum of disorders that range in severity from bizarre, violent behavior to an inability to communicate or interact socially, along with repetitive patterns of behavior.
Estimates of the prevalence of the syndrome in Britain range from 10 cases per 10,000 of the population with "classic" autism, to 9.1 cases per 1,000 showing some signs of autistic behavior.
The National Autistic Society estimates that there are about 500,000 people with autism in Britain, 120,000 of them children. According to one recent study, there has been a tenfold increase among children between 1984 and 1994.
The new possible explanation of the rise has emerged after a two-month review of all the available information by The Sunday Times. Several groups of academics and researchers in America and Sweden are investigating similar theories that a combination of factors is to blame.
They include a genetic predisposition, the cumulative effects of mercury in vaccines lowering the immune system, with the controversial measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) triple vaccine being a possible trigger.
The US Institute of Medicine is so concerned that officials have organized a two-day meeting in July to discuss the "hypothesis" that thiomersal and mercury in vaccines are linked to autism.
Boyd Haley, chemistry professor at the University of Kentucky, has been asked to submit a paper. "Thiomersal is extremely toxic. The preliminary data is convincing and does indicate that vaccines are the most likely suspect for causing autism," he said.
In general, the researchers argue, the cumulative effects of mercury impair brain development and damage the child's immune system and gastrointestinal tract, resulting in hypersensitivity to toxic environmental substances.
This build-up could lead to autism or a form of mercury poisoning - whose symptoms are similar. In addition, researchers believe, the MMR triple vaccine, usually given at 18 months to two years, could trigger autism because the damaged immune system cannot cope with three live viruses at once.
Only some children exposed to mercury will develop symptoms. Researchers believe this indicates that there may be a genetic predisposition. This theory was reinforced by a study published this month that showed that in 99% of autistic children a family of proteins essential for disposing of mercury and other heavy metals is missing or "disabled".
The proteins, called metallothionein (MT), are the main way in which the body counters heavy metal. The study, by the Chicago-based Pfeiffer Center, a health research institute, found that of 503 autistic patients 499 showed an MT "dysfunction".
The number of vaccinations given to babies and children in Britain and America has increased significantly.
In the United States the number given before the age of two has risen from 8 in 1980 to 22 now.
In Britain in 1970, most children received diphtheria, tetanus, polio, whooping cough and BCG for tuberculosis; about half were also immunized against measles. In 1972 rubella was added; MMR in 1988, Hib (Haemophilus Influenza type b), against a form of meningitis in 1992, MMR as a second dose in 1996, and meningitis C in 1999.
The MMR first dose is given between 12 and 15 months, with diphtheria and tetanus and the second dose of MMR at three to five years.
MMR does not contain thiomersal, though other child vaccines do. Thiomersal was introduced in the 1930s as a preservative and went into common use without review by America's Food and Drug Administration (FDA) because it was assumed to be safe.
In America, researchers found some infants who are being vaccinated using multidose vials with thiomersal can receive 62.5 micrograms of mercury per visit.
This is 100 times more than the intake considered safe for the average six-month-old by the US Environmental Protection Agency.
In June 1999 the FDA discovered that: "Infants who receive thiomersal-containing vaccine at several visits may have been exposed to more mercury than recommended by Federal guidelines." The following month the European Agency for the Evaluation of Medicinal Products (EMEA) issued a statement saying: "Cumulative exposure to ethylmercury [found in thiomersal] . . . could lead to a potential cause for concern."
In May last year, a scientist from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) gave a presentation, based on a study of the Vaccine Safety Datalink Project - a database of 400,000 children - with evidence of harm. Dr Thomas Verstraeten of the CDC found the screening analysis suggests "statistically significant associations" between certain neurologic developmental disorders - such as attention deficit disorder, and speech and language disorders - and exposure to mercury from thiomersal-containing vaccines before the age of six months.
As a result, the EMEA issued another statement last June, saying: "For vaccination in infants and toddlers, as a precautionary measure it would be prudent to promote the general use of vaccines without thiomersal. Moreover, the use of thiomersal-free vaccines should be recommended for newborns."
Neither of these EMEA statements received national newspaper publicity in Britain, and at least 10 thiomersal-containing vaccines for children are still in use as drug manufacturers are permitted to finish stocks.
Jane Maroney El-Dahr, an immunologist at Tulane University medical center in New Orleans, said: "It is important for me to emphasize that the message is not to not vaccinate children, but to make sure that vaccines are thiomersal-free."
The health department said: "Thiomersal has played an important role as a preservative in vaccines.
Because thiomersal contains mercury, both European and American regulators have recently recommended that vaccine manufacturers phase out its use wherever possible as a precaution. They have not recommended the withdrawal of any vaccines.
The Sunday Times - London

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Jimjams · 07/08/2004 19:55

Thanks for that ST link aloha. I'd missed the link with gut damage and thimerosil- ds1's gut is completely knackered- I'd always put that down to antibiotics, but maybe thimerosil dealt the first blow.

Contact me off list and I'll email you a copy of the paper. I know I should have your email address but I'll never find it! My inbox is a mess!

Angeliz · 07/08/2004 20:08

Jimjams, i think they do get 5 jabs right now

DTwP-polio-meningitisC+Hib (6!!!)

I think the only difference is that they are now talking about combining 5 of those together in one single jab.

I don't know what timetable i'll follow when i have this one i really don't! But now i'm a little more aware from when dd was tiny, i don't want to rush down the surgery when i'm summoned!

Furball · 07/08/2004 21:31

Is it not obvious that injecting an 8 week old baby with mercury is like playing russion roulette? It really makes me angry and upset that everyday thousands of innocent mothers (myself included) are taking their most precious babies to have this done, not once, but three times. Funny how they don't actually say, as well as blah, blah blah, we will also be injecting mercury. I really can't believe that doctors, who you should trust, are really just doing what they are told, regardless of anything else. I wonder how many adults would volunteer to have those jabs knowing what was actually in them, probably none. Jimjams and her family and thousands of others have had their lives changed completely by something so awful as a mother just trying to do her best by her family. The rest of us are counting our blessings that we are not one of them. Unfortunately for Jimjams' family it's all come a little to late, but at least thimerosil will disappear from the jabs for good, which has to be fantastic news.

The jabs my DS had at 2/3/4 months were Diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, Hib, Men C and an oral dose of Polio. I can't really remember, but I think he only had one jab no more than two, with the second being seperate Men C? and whilst he cried they poured the polio into his mouth, so that was a 4 in 1. A 5 in 1 with a different Polio and no thimerosil has to be a step in the right direction, even though it still does seem an awful lot for such a young baby to have to deal with all in one go.

karen99 · 07/08/2004 22:25

The five-in-one jab is already being used in Ireland (see here ) and Canada (see here given at 2,4,6mo). This is the one my gp said I should give ds as I wanted dtap and ipv, but I have said 'no' as I don't want hib nor all given as a combined. Reluctantly they will now provide infanrix and ipv... still waiting to hear when though...

Jimjams, like you part of me feels like rejoicing that they have finally changed policy, but also my heart goes out to your family and others who have already been affected by their money saving, beurocratic, stubborness (to put it lightly).

karen99 · 07/08/2004 22:48

Just wanted to see if the NHS website has amended any of their front page... not yet... but I did find this link which still denies everything.. right up to May 2004..

highlander · 08/08/2004 05:38

Hmmm, interesting. I can't find this anywhere on the BBC health website anymore. It's Sunday 6am.

Not much publicity is there? I thought it would be huge news, unless the givt is trying to suppress it

hazlinh · 08/08/2004 06:33

the 5-in-1 is already being used in Malaysia and dd (6 mths) has already had all three doses I believe. She seems ok tho, with only a mild fever and fussing after the first dose and no symptoms after the following two.

Now really reconsidering taking her for her MMR at 12 mths. Should I just forget about it or delay it?

Angeliz · 08/08/2004 07:55

NO FRONT PAGE NEWS!!!!

Apparently who Sven is doing is alot more important than our children's health

Breaking news of ANOTHER meningitis jab though.
Talk about sweeping it under the carpet!!!!

Angeliz · 08/08/2004 07:59

have a look at \news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/story.jsp?story=549078\this}

Angeliz · 08/08/2004 08:01

here!

Jimjams · 08/08/2004 08:14

ROFL @ that NHS link karen. Talk about if I put my head in the sand and refuse to look I won't find anything I don't want to"

TBH I feel out of the loop on this. It's way too late for ds1, and I already know that our third baby won't be getting any vax at all- so its just a case of working out how best to get tetanus into ds2 (if indeed we decide to) - but not doing that for a couple of years anyway.

At least the lack of coverage means I don't have to watch bllody David Salisbury or Elizabeth Millar and their smug ugly faces bleating on about how interested they are in children's health.

Angeliz · 08/08/2004 08:50

I jus re-read that link i posted.
It says a new MANDATORY jab is to be introduced! Am i being thick or does this mean we have no choice??? (they think!!!)

(This is the new miningitis jab-not the 5 in 1!!)

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