Pro vaxx vs anti vaxx

[Tleigh]

Hello, I was looking for different opinions regarding vaccinations. Who vaccinated and why and who doesn't vaccinate and why?

I've read previous posts similar and then have gotten quite heated so I ask for your stance on vaccinations and the reason why (and possibly links and research to accompany this) and that's it. Once you have commented please don't question anyone's opinions or anyone's choices. I don't want this thread to turn into a pro vaxx/anti vaxx argument.

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confusedhelpme it's not a choice between vaccinate or death. I've literally had one vaccine in my life and that almost killed me as a baby. I'm in my 50s and not dead yet from lack of vaccinations...clearly....living in London, mingling with anyone and everyone, diseased or not, on a daily basis. I'm not anti vaccination, but clearly people are petrified of not vaccinating against even very very rare diseases that only a few years ago had no vaccine and little press coverage. As soon as there's a new vaccine all the (very few) stories of deaths from the disease are paraded in the Daily Mail to get vaccination numbers up. I don't agree with blanket or enforced vaccination, but I do think people need to weigh up the risks and benefits for their own family and make the right choice for themselves.

Yes but you could have a deadly reaction to penicillin? That’s not a call for the general population to abandon antibiotics. And you’re ‘not dead’ because people around you are vaccinated.

Which newspaper do you work for ?

''Also detailed are several mechanisms whereby significant quantities of aluminium introduced via immunisation could produce chronic neuropathology in genetically susceptible children. Accordingly, it is recommended that the use of aluminium salts in immunisations should be discontinued and that adults should take steps to minimise their exposure to environmental aluminium''
''Aluminium has no known beneficial physiological action in the human body and some genetic polymorphisms predispose to a greater susceptibility to its adverse effects. Therefore, a strong case can be made for avoiding unnecessary exposure to environmental sources of aluminium salts, especially on the part of children, pregnant mothers and women of child-bearing age who may become pregnant. Such avoidance need not lead to hardship or inconvenience; aluminium cookware may be replaced by safer alternatives, while aluminium-containing antiperspirants, potentially implicated in the rise of cases of breast cancer particularly affecting the upper outer quadrant of the mammary gland, may be replaced by non-aluminium versions. The use of aluminium salts in medical products is a more contentious issue. While antacids are available which do not contain aluminium salts, the avoidance of immunisations which do not contain aluminium salts as adjuvants has wider political and financial implications. It would seem prudent to try to find an alternative to aluminium adjuvants as soon as possible and phase out their use'' www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5596046/

Professor Christopher Exley from Keele University UK. Spent 30 years of his career studying aluminium. Last year Prof Chris Exley and his team looked at the brains of children who died with a diagnosis of autism ( brains donated from Oxford University brain bank).This was his findings only a month ago

Retraction Watch article on Exley's work. It's not a pretty read.

There are many hits to read if you type "bad science christopher exley" into a search engine. He isn't Shaw & Tomljenovic, yet, but seems to be on his way.

Hi OP

I just wanted to chip in with my story. I was a very ill child in the early 80s. I had measels and rubella. Plus scarlet fever.

I also now have permanent hearing loss because of the damage done to the tubes in my ears.

Unfortunately, I had my bouts of illness very young before the MMR was around. If I’d had it maybe I wouldn’t have to wear a hearing aid in my early 30s.

Vaccinate your children.

All my generation got measles, mumps and rubella, it was the most normal thing at the time. I've never had diptheria, although there were no vaccines for it when I was young. I vaccinated my own dd many years ago, but the vaccine schedule has become so heavy and there is a lot less control of pharmaceutical companies nowadays (and you cannot sue them if something goes wrong with a vaccine). And I know that the only unvaccinated child I have contact with is amazingly healthy, while all her playmates are always coming down with something.

But then shoot me, I also find homeopathy excellent.

If you are researching vaccines properly (not just reading a random selection of stuff you have found online) then I am surprised that you are feeling uncertain.

Or are you still an undergraduate, learning how to conduct proper literature searches and evaluate?

Does that sound a bit arsey? It might, but I hope that at the same time it illustrates the difference between research (and what it would mean to really do your own in the proper medical databases) and just looking at a few websites.

"I've never had diptheria, although there were no vaccines for it when I was young."

Diphtheria vaccine has been available in UK before NHS existed - it was first introduced in 1942, and the disease was killing about 3500 people a year before that.

That jab also predates the availability of antibiotics. As diphtheria does respond to antibiotics if treatment starts in the early stages, it wouldn't be such a killer disease now. If however it's not recognised for what it is and treatment does not start before major encroachment in the throat, it can still be very serious.

And you’re ‘not dead’ because people around you are vaccinated.

How did mankind survive until the 20th century without vaccinations?!

Yes but you could have a deadly reaction to penicillin? That’s not a call for the general population to abandon antibiotics

Antibiotic overuse and is a major problem. The miracle infection fighting drugs are no longer doing their job. We don't yet know what issues will arise from mass vaccination with th

Posted too soon.
The current vaccine schedule seems like an overload and we won't know what effect it may have on the current tiny recipients until they reach adulthood.

Yes but you know that penicillin has saved millions of lives right??

You know that MILLIONS died right from lack of vaccination right??? MILLIONS.

I mean why use anaesthesia in Surgery right. People in those days managed with ether. We are such snowflakes requiring anaesthesia eih?

There's no mass injecting or enforced use of penicillin! It's not comparable to vaccinations.

Do you know quite how many people die annually of malaria btw? One of the things we are trying to find a vaccine for. I lost two classmates to it. Both came from wealthy families- the kind who can send children to the US/UK to study. The mosquito doesn’t discriminate.

My dm was anti some vaccines ..... so we didn’t have whooping cough or measles ....
I didn’t even know I hadn’t had measles or the vaccine till last year (I’m 35)
She also persuaded me to not vaccinate my eldest dc against mmr and whooping cough ......then she got whooping cough 😳
Rest of my dc are vaccinated against everything plus extras that we got done privately

Thisisthevoice, by having massive infant mortality rates, and low life expectancy.

Women had multiple pregnancies from a young age, with the likelihood that more than a couple wouldn’t survive past five - especially if you were poor and living in close proximity to others.

Life continues for sure, but for many it wasn’t a life you’d recognise, or want for yourself or your family.

They didn't die from lack of vaccines. Vaccines didn't exist. They died from disease. You don't say the current elderly are dying through lack of eternal life do you? Yes , of course vaccines have helped prevent disease spead, but it is not the case that you either have a vaccine or you will die from one of these diseases. The majority of earthlings survive measles, mumps and rubella with no intervention whatsoever.

Just to reiterate, I'm not anti vaccine, but I think there's been a lot of hysteria from the pro vaccine movement regarding very very very rarely deadly illnesses.

Callamia I'm well aware of this. One of my ancestors lost 10 of her 13 children in 1855 in Amsterdam. But vaccines didn't exist..so they didn't die because they weren't vaccinated.

What I mean is, there's currently no such thing as a vaccine for allergies, so you can't say that someone dying from anaphylaxis died because they weren't vaccinated. Maybe in the future there will be an anti-allergy vaccine...but not having it won't mean you are destined to die from an allergic reaction.

so they didn't die because they weren't vaccinated.

Badly worded. They didn't die from not having been vaccinated.