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Pro vaxx vs anti vaxx

151 replies

Tleigh · 30/01/2018 09:44

Hello, I was looking for different opinions regarding vaccinations. Who vaccinated and why and who doesn't vaccinate and why?

I've read previous posts similar and then have gotten quite heated so I ask for your stance on vaccinations and the reason why (and possibly links and research to accompany this) and that's it. Once you have commented please don't question anyone's opinions or anyone's choices. I don't want this thread to turn into a pro vaxx/anti vaxx argument.

TIA
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OP posts:
TalkLessSmileMore · 30/01/2018 11:37

What exactly do you expect to get here that you can’t find on Google or the many, many precious threads on this topic? It seems like you’re just trying to set up a stupid bunfight.

FairfaxAikman · 30/01/2018 12:35

What I know about vaccines is mainly based on research I did for my dogs but I carried over and took the same approach for DC.
In Dogs vets say vaccinate every three years, however according to top immunologists you can't boost immunity- therefore I would not vaccinate further as an adult.
However given diseases like Parvo are killers I would always give puppy vaccines but only the core ones

Same for DC - baby vaccines all the way. My granny was a nurse in the 50s and I think people forget just how big a killer or how life changing "normal childhood illnesses" (ie mumps and measles) could be. However when it comes to things like the flu vaccine I'd weigh up on an individual risk/benefit basis.

nbroots · 30/01/2018 12:41

Look up Dr Suzanne Humphries on YouTube she has many hours of lectures which are all referenced with studies you can then go and read yourself. She has been researching vaccines full-time for 8 years . These ones are a good starting point
Her book Dissolving Illusions is brilliant and a must read if you are concerned about vaccination. If you would like a bigger list of books for further reading please PM me. There are also lectures you can attended in the UK for concerned parents by a registered GP. My hubby and I went to two of them and we found them really helpful.

Shmithecat · 30/01/2018 12:44

Dr Suzanne Humphries is a kidney specialist who now embraces homeopathy. Another bloody quack.

bruffin · 30/01/2018 12:46

Dr Susan Humphries is a nephroligist turned homepath and her claims have been refuted numerous times on other sites

nbroots · 30/01/2018 12:47

No she does not! Just goes to show how much you know! I've watched and read all her lectures and books. How about you do the same and then comment? That is an ill-informed comment

nbroots · 30/01/2018 12:52

I'm sure the OP can make her own mind up. Watch 20 hours (it's free!) of her lectures then comment. Your talking utter rubbish

BertrandRussell · 30/01/2018 12:55

I’ve watched her videos. She is a loon.

mamalovebird · 30/01/2018 12:56

Why do I vaccinate my children?

Having grown up in countries (Malawi specifically) where parents would give their right arm for vaccines against entirely preventable diseases, I understand how fortunate I am to raise my kids in a country with access to healthcare.

AnakinCyberwalker · 30/01/2018 12:57

OP, you say Because I am unsure myself and I have been researching vaccines but I wanted to expand my research so I can make the best choice.

Are you a medical or biochemical research scientist? If not then I'd suggest you simply refer to the vast, vast scientifically proven case which is overwhelmingly pro-vaccination.

If you have any concerns then your GP should be able to provide you with up to date relevant research to enable you to best protect your children's health.

Shmithecat · 30/01/2018 12:57

I've tried to watch them. Fuck me, she's not great at public speaking is she 💤💤💤.

nbroots · 30/01/2018 13:05

''I've tried to watch them. Fuck me, she's not great at public speaking is she''
She's better than you . She used to teach at the hospital she worked at. At least she doesn't swear! You have nothing add but insults. All her work is backed by official studies and sources.

BertrandRussell · 30/01/2018 13:11

“All her work is backed by official studies and sources“

No it isn’t. For example, her suggestion that fulminating kidney failure is caused by the flu vaccine is entirely anecdotal, and based on her drawing a correlation between the vaccine and, I think, 4 cases she saw in her practice.

ThatsMyCow · 30/01/2018 13:13

This isn't the place to ask I think. Here, you will mainly find opinions instead of what you're looking for. I had no vaccines as a child, and my parents had lots of patients who were not vaccinated and saw the outcomes. I really didn't enjoy catching things like measles, obviously, but I also had some of my parents ideas so I was unsure, like you.

What I did and would advise anybody else who is also unsure is to gather your own evidence via Dr Google then have a chat with a REAL doctor about your concerns. I spoke to two nurses, health visitor and a gp and discussed the pros and cons of all the different vaccines. None of them lied to me and pretend there were no risks with vaccines, none of them pretended they'd never seen or heard of bad reactions to vaccines, but together we worked out which vaccines were most important, which were less important, which risks I wanted to take (risk of reaction to vaccine and the possible outcomes, and risk of not vaccinating and the possible outcomes)
I think if you do that, you won't be so unsure and will feel more confident about whatever decision you make.

Go and speak to the people who actually see the result of bad reactions to vaccines and also see the results of not vaccinating. I doubt they'll lie, they'll be real, and you can work it out yourself.

One thing that also swayed me towards vaccinating is that it seems like most of the people who are coming into contact with people who weren't vaccinated on a regular basis end up vaccinating their own children and they do so because they see more of that than they see serious reactions to the vaccines. Also, many of the vaccines have been out for long enough now that just by looking around we can see that it's usually fine. I live in a borough that has very low vaccination rates, and when I had measles it's because there was a huge outbreak here. In other boroughs close by the vaccine rates are higher and they weren't hit as badly as here.

nbroots · 30/01/2018 13:16

BertrandRussell - Your talking about why she left her career. I'm talking about her book and lectures she has spent YEARS working on full-time.

BertrandRussell · 30/01/2018 13:18

No- i’m talking about her claims to know what she is talking about. One of the experts she often cites is Andrew Wakefield.

Shmithecat · 30/01/2018 13:19

nbroots anecdotes are NOT EVIDENCE.

nbroots · 30/01/2018 13:25

Show me BertrandRussell. Yes she is friends with him but she does not use his study to defend anything. I've not once seen his study in any of her lectures and I've watched them several times over.

nbroots · 30/01/2018 13:28

Shmithecat - What are you on about?

FanFckingTastic · 30/01/2018 13:40

I was brought up in rural Africa as a child and saw first-hand the effects of diseases that we commonly vaccinate against. The mothers in this community would have given everything to be able to protect their little ones against these illnesses so it's a real luxury to be able to have this debate at all. Personally it always shocks me that people even feel the need to 'consider' whether to vaccinate, but each to their own. It also surprises me that we feel that it's perfectly reasonable to go against medical opinion on this issue. I don't believe that there are any other areas where parents will actively go against medical advice and potentially put their child, and other people, at risk.

AnonEvent · 30/01/2018 13:44

"Natural alternatives to vaccines."

Such as???

Dying of measles.

AuntLydia · 30/01/2018 13:58

@bruffin can I just thank you for your links. I always do a bit of research before every vaccination and was struggling to find anything on hpv as my child is due it this week. Those were very helpful.

Take a look at them op and look into the credentials of whoever is making claims on the Internet before you buy into them. People's opinions are worth nothing, what you need is cold hard facts.

confusedhelpme · 30/01/2018 14:02

Pro Vax as I don't want my son to die.

I don't want him to die.

ThisIsTheVoice · 31/01/2018 23:28

Having had a severe reaction to a single vaccine (no longer in use but at the time deemed perfectly safe) I thought it wise to thoroughly investigate vaccinations before giving to my child. I have no medical background but strong research background and perfectly able to read and understand medical papers (some of which, yes, are available via google (e.g. Cochrane library) and does not make them any less valid. Due to family history of reactions (other family members besides myself) and dd's propensity to react to many usually innocuous substances, we decided not to vaccinate. The risk of a reaction (in our case) is not as minuscule as it might be in the general population.