Pro vaxx vs anti vaxx

[Tleigh]

Hello, I was looking for different opinions regarding vaccinations. Who vaccinated and why and who doesn't vaccinate and why?

I've read previous posts similar and then have gotten quite heated so I ask for your stance on vaccinations and the reason why (and possibly links and research to accompany this) and that's it. Once you have commented please don't question anyone's opinions or anyone's choices. I don't want this thread to turn into a pro vaxx/anti vaxx argument.

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Potentially deadly ingredients in a vaccine

Will just leave this here.

I am pro vax because a) I believe the benefits of the vaccination totally outweigh the very small chance of adverse reaction and b) if my DS ever got seriously ill from or died of a preventable disease that I could've protected him against, I'd never forgive myself.. why would you even consider risking this? Or this? Or this? It's also a social obligation. Many immunocompromised people can't protect themselves.

Warning - the first two links are distressing.

There is absolutely no proof of a link between autism and MMR. Wakefield's original paper couldn't even say this, all he was able to say was 'here's some autistic kids, some of them have a weird bowel thing, some of them don't, they've all had MMR!'.

Wakefield has been struck off because before publishing that, he had been paid £400000 by lawyers fighting MMR=autism cases, applied for patent on a rival vaccine, and was ready to set up a company offering medical tests for his fake disease, 'autistic enterocolitis' earning about £43million per year. All of this was undisclosed. He also knew about results from his own lab that contradicted the shite he was selling, and it was proved he'd faked all of his datapoints to get the conclusion he was after.

Oh, and sorry OP these threads never end well and it doesn't look like this one will be any different.

There is a book by Randall Neustaedter called 'the Vaccine Guide' which may be helpful if you fancied some reading and can get hold of it. I've never read it myself but have heard about it recently.

I have given my baby all the vaccines so far and will continue to do so.

There is very little credible evidence to say that vaccines have any adverse effects on babies. If you've ever heard a baby with whooping cough or seen a child poorly with measles you wouldn't think twice about getting it done. My friends husband came from an anti-vax family and contracted mumps when he was a teenager, as a result, he is unable to have children. (I know you can still get mumps after having the MMR but your chances are much lower with the MMR).

“Because I am unsure myself and I have been researching vaccines but I wanted to expand my research so I can make the best choice”

Good idea. When do you finish your Doctorate?

There are some people who don't vaccinate after taking solid, mainstream advice about a particular problem. Everyone else should imo.

Randall Neustaedter- ah yes. The appropriately named Dr Randy, with his degree in English Literature? That Randall Neustaedter?

If you read any links, check the source properly. There is a difference between reading a peer-reviewed articles from a medical journal and the blog of some quack off the internet.

the oxford university vaccine research group
Full of good research and info

If you look on the WHO website they have a list of legit websites.

iom review of adverse effects and causality

websites

Does that image seriously talk about water as an ingredient?

There are natural alternatives to vaccines. They're called death and life changing disabilities.

But Bertrand he has completed a "medical" "doctorate" at the Oakland College of Acupuncture ("no Masters degree required!" according to their website). So is clearly highly qualified to advise on the immunology of vaccinations

All my children are vaccinated, they will continue to get all necessary vaccinations.

From a personal side, here's one reason why;

When I was a teenager I had an awful bout of flu at the start of the year, I couldn't talk, I fainted every time I stood up, the only think I ate for a week was warm milk. It was horrendous.

The rest of that year I got more and more anaemic and come September, when I was supposed to be starting A Levels, I ended up in hospital for a month (and missed two months of school) diagnosed with Crohn's disease. Crohn's can be triggered by a virus such as flu, as mine was. I'm now stuck with that for the rest of my life.

My kids will get the flu vaccine every year they are able. While Crohn's can be hereditary I will minimise every chance I can of them going through it.

You do know that vaccines go through extensive clinical trials and testing? The results of which need to be published in peer reviewed journals? You can't just secretly add deadly ingredients to vaccines.

Also that vaccines almost never make pharma companies money. Or a very small total of their money. The vast majority of vaccine research is done in Universities by poorly paid researchers trying to cure deadly diseases. I assure you that they have no interest in poisoning your child in the name of some conspiracy.

There are reactions and side effects to EVERYTHING. Including penicillin. Or eating an egg. Or changing your washing powder. You can't eliminate risk (do you take your kids out in a car?). People pounce on side effects as proof that vaccines are bad. There will always be a one in a million case but the reality is that this is what science is about- weighing up the evidence and making an informed choice. The reason the side effects are bothering you is two fold:

1. Because of the way vaccines are administered. I am willing to bet a LOT of money if vaccines were wrapped up in a lollipop and given to babies to suck there wouldn't be all this angst. Or even administered in a spoon (like the polio vaccine was for me in India). Somehow parents get all hysterical over 'hurting' their children for no actual benefit.
2. The 'benefit' of vaccines. Unfortunately for most people in the UK having never seen any of the terrible diseases vaccines cause it all seems a tad pointless.

PS I don't know any anti-vaxxers in India! There is probably a very very good reason for it. Because many children don't have access to childhood vaccinations and die from it.

NotAnotherJaffaCake that list of ingredients is in an apple. The graphic is making a point about how anti-vaxxers make people scared of vaccines by using big words - even patently harmless things like apples can be made to sound scary and harmful by using unfamiliar words.

My children have all of their vaccinations up to date.

I would rather a few side effects (which hasn't happened so far) than something like rubella or diphtheria

Are you a trained medical researcher? If not all you are ‘researching’ is a bunch of ill-informed opinions and stuff you are unlikely to be able to interpret properly. No sure how that help you tbh

Try googling this: child graves in St James graveyard in Cooling in Kent.

This is how it was pre-vaccination.

If you don't vaccinate, then you are exposing your children to a large range of deadly diseases that could kill them. These diseases are not common at the moment because most children are vaccinated. If your child is not vaccinated, it could get one of these diseases and die.

@Ginandplatonic aahhaahhahahahah

So you don't eat meat for iron, bananas for potassium, etc...
BTW if one is doing a scaremongering appealing little picture, they should learn how to spell...

This is the upshot.

All things carry risk. All diseases carry a risk of complications. All vaccines carry a risk of damage.

Complications from a disease are a far higher risk than vaccine damage.

That’s all. It’s a risk assessment.

If you have a healthy child, all should be well.

And catechins and flavonols are the antioxidants in tea, do you drink tea?

*flavanols

@Ginandplatonic and now I eat humble pie and apologise as I just read your icon to the end (my excuse is I am on a tiny screen)