Experiences of parents with unvaccinated babies/ children

[Mumsey2017]

Hi there,

I'm a first time mum who lives in Kent and my DS will be coming up for 8 weeks. After quite a bit of research (and prayer might I add) my husband and I are leaning towards not giving our son any of his vaccinations at all or at least as early as 8 weeks.

I'm interested to specifically hear from parents who have older babies and children that are unvaccinated. What have your experiences been of not vaccinating your child? What has their general health been like? Have you have to isolate them at all/ be careful where you went? Do any attend nursery or school? Do nurserys even take unvaccinated children (excuse my ignorance lol)? Have they been more susceptible to illnesses or caught anything major? If you feel able to share, what were your reasons for not vaccinating?

If anyone is able to share their views on any or all of these questions - would be interested in hearing from you.

Many thanks

GPs do not receive any payment for usual vaccinations.

Payment is only received when single vaccines are insisted.

They do however, get paid for flu vaccines, every single one.

I had whooping cough at three (before vaccine) and nearly 5 decades later, I still remember the pain.

My uncle is a GP and he says:
Don't be a twat, vaccinate your child.

"I really would like to see a lot more research done in this area as it's not at all clear to me that the current vaccination schedule is safe."

What sort of research do you think ought to happen?

GPs aren't probably the best people to discuss concerns with though, are they?

My GP was extremely sympathetic to my concerns though and privately admitted his wife also hadn't received the flu vaccine in pregnancy.

Even the miracle "peer reviewed" studies can conflict or present different opinions and "peer reviewed" isn't infallible - far from it.

As I said, I'm generally pro-vaccine but the "anti-vaxxer" debate is incredibly unhelpful at present as it presents the science as fixed and unmoving and infallible.

We still don't know what is behind the current rises in chronic illness of all kinds in children. My money is partly on the sheer volume of vaccines combined with crappy diets and pollution.

bertrand its almost impossible now to obtain comprehensive research comparing unvaccinated groups. That is part of the problem.

My point was my uncle is quite anti the flu jab.

He feels he shouldn't have to be paid to push it.

"We still don't know what is behind the current rises in chronic illness of all kinds in children"

Do you have any evidence that there is a rise?

There is an effect on their immune system.

I'm interested in why you think this, and what you think the effects are?

Let's be honest here. The antivaxxers will not start vaccinating till enough of their kids have died from preventable diseases. There should be laws that unvaccinated children cannot go to the same schools as vaccinated. The earlier the deaths happen and the sobbing facebook posts start, the earlier people will start vaccinating. Basically escalating now will prevent more deaths in the future.

We still don't know what is behind the current rises in chronic illness of all kinds in children.
Is there a rise in chronic illness though, how far do we have to go back to find "healthier children"
19th century most 1 in 5 children didnt even get to their 5th birthday.
20th century, in the decade over a thousand children died of measles in the uk, and there is research that in the 3 years following measles, there is higher mortality rate.
My childminders grand daughter had leukhemia when she was 5 and now survived to have 2 of her own children, it wouldnt have been that long ago that she would not have survived

and for those who are interested in the research on vaccine adverse effects evidence and causality by the IOM

I knew a man who'd had polio as a child. His whole spine was completely bent over/ twisted. Aren't we lucky we can do something to avoid this happening to our children nowadays.

20th century, in the decade over a thousand children died of measles in the uk, and there is research that in the 3 years following measles, there is higher mortality rate.
sorry that should have said in the decade of the 1960s

If people are fixated on the 'rise' in autism, ADHD etc in children then I suggest reading 'Neurotribes' which gives an excellent history of how these conditions were misdiagnosed until very recently as childhood schizophrenia, brain damage etc.

There is no 'rise' - just accurate diagnosis and recognition of the conditions.

There is also a superb section on the Wakefield scandal.

I was vaccinated as a baby. I had mumps as a toddler, as a result I am deaf in one ear.

The U.K. Is massively overpopulated so disease spreads quickly.

DH used to work for the EnvAgency, planning mass grave locations

I will answer the OPs question from my experience. I have two children aged 11 and 9. Neither had vaccinations. There has been only one occasion when one of them needed antibiotics, this was not really necessary IMO as gp gave them just in case her chicken pox got infected.
They both had 0 days off school last year and only one had two days off this year.
Neither of them have exzema or asthma, I had both as a child, this may be a coincidence of course.
I don't know if they are healthier than they would have been if vaccinated. That is my experience.

*Now they too have been diagnosed with diseases from the previous list, which I know started straight after their vaccinations

You know no such thing. You think it, wrongly.

Lots of questions in your post, about a controversial topic, and then you disappear OP.
The term "click and run" springs to mind
Are you a journalist or a uni student researching?

I am of an age where the measles vaccine wasn't around until after I'd started school, so I didn't have it. I didn't catch measles. Dc1 was vaccinated and I asked gp if I could have it as well, but was told it wasn't available for adults.
When I was expecting dc2 a friend's unvaccinated child caught measles. My gp advised me to stay away from any other unvaccinated people, or people with low/no immunity until the gestation period had passed. He also warned me that it is known to cause miscarriages and stillbirth in pregnancy. I can't tell you the fear I had for the remainder of my pregnancy, which was high risk anyway, because of that person's irresponsibility. This was before the scare stories around autism and friend just 'didn't see the point '. As long as there were no compelling individual reasons, I cannot imagine why anyone wouldn't vaccinate.

For what it's worth, many vaccinations were brought in soon after the levels of hygiene and hand washing were dramatically increased. The diseases were disappearing anyway for this reason.

What about Smallpox, Fox? It was eradicated by hand washing was it? Oh, hang on...

Balls you've done "research". You've googled.

If prayer worked there'd not be children dying from preventable disease in the developing world. Oh wait - and the developed world too. Did your research show that children in the US are once again dying from measles due to parents like you?

For what it's worth, many vaccinations were brought in soon after the levels of hygiene and hand washing were dramatically increased.
Nonsense, see my post above

"For what it's worth, many vaccinations were brought in soon after the levels of hygiene and hand washing were dramatically increased. The diseases were disappearing anyway for this reason."

Polio? Didn't people wash their hands in the 50s?

fox in the snow

Do you live in the U.K.?

Say if you were travelling to Liberia would you vaccinate against Ebola?

Or if you lived there would you vaccinate against the diseases we do here? That is in a place where there is a more obvious and direct threat of catching some of them.