Experiences of parents with unvaccinated babies/ children

[Mumsey2017]

Hi there,

I'm a first time mum who lives in Kent and my DS will be coming up for 8 weeks. After quite a bit of research (and prayer might I add) my husband and I are leaning towards not giving our son any of his vaccinations at all or at least as early as 8 weeks.

I'm interested to specifically hear from parents who have older babies and children that are unvaccinated. What have your experiences been of not vaccinating your child? What has their general health been like? Have you have to isolate them at all/ be careful where you went? Do any attend nursery or school? Do nurserys even take unvaccinated children (excuse my ignorance lol)? Have they been more susceptible to illnesses or caught anything major? If you feel able to share, what were your reasons for not vaccinating?

If anyone is able to share their views on any or all of these questions - would be interested in hearing from you.

Many thanks

"If you are on Facebook, Jackie fletcher has a group called JABS. You will find the people there supportive and informative."

Supportive, yes. Informative? No.

Before vaccination children used to die from childhood diseases. Look at people from our grandparents and great grandparents generation that were crippled by things like polio.

Not all children of course, but that's no comfort if it is your child and then all the prayer in the world won't take away the fact that they have been blinded or brain damaged or lost their hearing because of something you could have prevented.

Consider those who are unable to vaccinate, because their child has compromised immunity or whatever - how would you feel if their child contracted a disease from your child and suffered complications or died?

It's so irresponsible and makes me so angry.

thelastdayinmay
quote from Professor Sundura Lingam who was on the appeal panal for Robert Fletcher

"genetically predisposed to epilepsy and that the vaccination triggered it rather than caused it. Robert would have developed epilepsy in any event, even if he had not had the vaccination.”
There is research has found that children previously classed as having vaccine damage from the pertussis vaccine actually had Dravet syndrome (A SCN1A-related seizure disorder)

Re my family, as said previously we have a SCN1A-related seizure disorders called GEFS+
Families with GEFS+ sometimes have a someone in the family with dravet syndrome,although i dont know anyone in mine.
We can trace GEFS+ for at least 4 generations ie my grandmother, my mother, my sister and my son. Seems ds got it in some round about way and as it avoided me. My sister who had it never had children so we dont know if her children would have inherited it. GEFS+ in my family is having more febrile convulsions than normal ie ds had 20+ and febrile convulsions up to around puberty. My mum and sister stopped at 10 and my DS last one was 13.5.
Now my dgm who was born in 1912 is very unlikely to have had vaccines, but she still had the same genetic problem.

Is that right bruffin?

£90,000 would disagree with you.

But I accept Robert was a unique case.

I don't however accept that his vaccinations had nothing to do with his current condition. Nor does anyone, after what - twenty years of fighting.

my uncle didn't get vaccinated and he is deaf because of mumps

Please vaccinate!

My own mother was very lax with vaccinations, as a result meningitis c and rubella as a child!

I had to pay to have myself vaccinated as an adult to protect myself during pregnancy.

I will never forgive my mother for bieng so silly.

GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE !

If you choose not to vaccinate your child, I would just make sure they don't travel outside western Europe. Most of the world is NOT the safe little bubble you live in. But the way things are going, by the time your child is 30 Europe won't be quite so safe disease wise as it is now anyway. It's likely to be more populated and there's likely to be a lot more movement of people and diseases from places where sickness is more serious. Where I live people wouldn't consider not vaccinating their children, it is viewed the same way as not using a car seat. But then disease is more of a reality than something that happens elsewhere.
Don't be a first world twat.

Stop thinking you know better when you don't.

I just don't understand parents idiots who decide they know it all over scientists and medical professionals.

Protect your child against dangerous and preventable diseases and get them vaccinated.

She's a kind, sensible and loving woman. Really, she is. I know her. I'm proud to know her.

I'm sure that's true. However, that doesn't mean that the majority of information put out by JABS is neither factual nor evidence-based. It shoudn't be promoted as a source of balanced or factual information on vaccines, because it is neither of those things.

I'm having a bad writing day. Sure all can see what I mean.

Even if the 'statistics' are accurate, I personally would rather my child have autism than become seriously ill and possibly die

See I wouldn't purple, not trying to be contentious but I really wouldn't.

Robert wasn't born as he is today. I accept his case is a unique one but nonetheless the vaccines damaged him.

Vaccines can cause damage. Every time I've had my child vaccinated I've had a moment of fear, and I don't think pro vaxxers who say vaccine damage never happens are helpful.
However he's had all his vaccinations and bcg and chicken pox, because I know the likelihood of complications from disease are far, far higher and also to help cover the immuno suppressed.
You asked for examples of what happens when you don't vaccinate. Here's one en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Swansea_measles_epidemic
I don't think Swansea has a sanitation issue.
As an aside my sister is very religious. She considers the fact scientists have worked out how to prevent disease a blessing from God

Has anyone ever said that there are not cases where children suffer side effects -sometimes severe side effects- from vaccination?

Any medicine that works can have side effects.

My husband had to pay to get himself vaccinated while at uni as his mother thought it was all a conspiracy and preferred homeopathy. Also refused to give him antibiotics when doctors recommended and wouldn't let him use mild topical steroids for his eczema.
Fortunately he didn't contract anything serious in the meantime or come to lasting harm, but there's a lot of resentment there now that she risked his health and his siblings on no evidence and being convinced that she knew better than everyone else.
Also his sister is comfortably on the autistic spectrum, certainly no vaccines there.

thelastdayinmay

You genuinely would rather lose your child altogether? Wow.

Perhaps purple if you knew a bit more about autism you wouldn't be so incredulous although I don't want to make assumptions. Perhaps if you know someone who's child is thriving despite their condition you'd believe it's not so bad. If so, I really, genuinely am happy for you.

Isn't it good that neither of you have to make the choice? Because vaccination does not cause autism.

I'm afraid I think that the pharmaceutical companies have decided that and aggressively pursued anyone who raises it as a possibility as thick, uninformed, risking their child's life, etc.

It's a view mumsnet also believe.

However, I know Robert was not born with autism.

"However, I know Robert was not born with autism"

How do you know that?

I've seen anecdotal stuff about children without vaccination being generally healthier etc and suffering from fewer childhood illnes. That's obviously because they no longer have to worry about Polio, etc. Although they will one day if people refusing to vaccinate.

I should know by now just to hide these threads, which is what I will do after this post.

I wish I could introduce every antivaxxer to my MIL and then you can talk to me about 'childhood diseases'. She contracted polio as a 6 year old. She woke up on morning with legs that didn't work. She had to drag herself on her arms into her parent'sroom. She spent months in hospital and has worn a calliper for the last 65 years. She has never been able to walk more than a short distance, or run, or swim, or ride a bike, things that most kids take for granted. She falls regularly and has done all her life, she breaks bones incredibly easily as she has such extreme osteoporosis from a lifetime of low activity. She is now suffering from post polio syndrome so lives in constant pain.

I wouldn't wish her difficulties on anyone. Just vaccinate.

Oh Bert, if you could see that man now and see him as he was before his vaccinations, you wouldn't ask.

I think if I hadn't seen it myself, I probably would be standing on the other side of this argument, laughing and rolling my eyes, incredulous at the sheer stupidity of parents who risk their child's life - other people's children's lives - how could they.

But I don't because I know that family. I also know if Jackie wasn't, well, Jackie - if she was less calm, more prone to theatrics, less educated, less "normal", she might have been totally dismissed by those she fought against. I think jackie's success was largely down to the fact she clearly was just a normal Mum - anybody's mum.

Anyway, I hope OP can get the information she seeks. I think information is largely the key here. More information, less aggression, less dismissal of people's genuine worries and concerns. Just unbiased information. On both sides.

Op, you won't get much support for deciding not to vaccinate your child on here.

But does she need support for deciding not to vaccinate, or does she need facts?

Even if the 'statistics' are accurate, I personally would rather my child have autism than become seriously ill and possibly die

Why even go there? Vaccines do not cause autism. End of.