To ask why people don't vaccinate their DC even though we know that it doesn't cause Autism?

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www.thespainreport.com/16953/six-year-old-boy-with-diphtheria-in-catalonia-dies/

A 6 year old boy in Catalonia has died of Diphtheria. Why are people still anti-vaccinations?

Why? My SIL has not and is not vaccinating her DS. He's 14 months now and MIL is so worried.

A small few have genuine reasons.

The majority are just idiots who believe any old conspiracy theory they read on any old blog.

The majority are just idiots who believe any old conspiracy theory they read on any old blog.

Yup, exactly!

Yes, there has been one death from measles in the UK since 1992. A boy from a traveller family with an underlying lung condition.

Calling people idiots etc is not helping. You need to understand that these vaccines are voluntary. And why.

It is a serious risk as more children go unvaccinated. Just yesterday I saw that an unvaccinated 6 year old boy has died of diphtheria in Spain.

nope ...

In 2013, 1 death was reported in a 25-year-old man following acute pneumonia as a complication of measles

I count 26 deaths since 1992 from this report:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data

But whether it's one or 26, that's down to vaccinations.

MrsdeVere, what about when you take your child to be vaccinated, and they are harmed?

And every day, for the rest of your life, you have to witness the pain and fear and confusion. And hear the taunts and insults. And know that they won't ever live the life they could have had. And that one day (hopefully in the very distant future, but that day will come) they will have to continue with all that pain and fear and confusion, and insults and taunts, without you? And that (God forbid, ands I will do absolutely everything in my power to prevent it) they might end up in a 'care' home like Winterbourne View?

That takes some living with, I can tell you. All because of those routine vaccinations that are so harmless and beneficial to all.

(And then, on top of that, having to read the bike and vitriol and emotional manipulation on threads like these. Although, tbf, that's nothing compared with what my child goes trough daily)

And yes I think it should be voluntary and that those who can should (not must) vaccinate.
Lest that reduced rate of measles rises again.

There have been deaths from measles/complications of measles in UK every year since WW2 except 1994, 1996, 2003, 2005, and 2010.

And of course as SSPE (I think the nastiest complication) can take 7 years to develop, it's a long time to worry.

Diphtheria had a huge resurgence in the former USSR around the time of its break up; around 140,000 cases with 40,000 deaths (IIRC).

Even more scarily they discovered that 8 other children were carrying the bacteria and potentially spreading it but because they were vaccinated showed no symptoms. It could spread quite quickly through vaccinated children unnoticed.

Diphtheria that is

"But whether it's one or 26, that's down to vaccinations."

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. But yes, the disease is often brought by new arrivals from countries with less-comprehensive availability of vaccines.

There are little outbreaks (up to about 30ish cases) dotted round UK several times each year. It is still quite rare for it to take hold beyond that (as it did in Wales). But when it does, the queues to vaccinate do tend to suggest there are quite a number who simply chose not to vaccinate (ie had no family or direct medical reason to avoid totally or amend schedule) who make a different choice when they realise their DC might actually catch it.

"in the way you say 'until you have a child with autism' I will say 'until you have a dead child.....' Because I cannot, really cannot understand why someone would not protect their child from illness that can and do kill children."

MrsDeVere

I have had all childhood diseases and so has everyone I grew up with and all their relatives and friends. Complications are very rare and if they develop, hospitals are well equipped to deal with them. Not like permanent vaccine damage, which the medical establishment can do nothing about if it strikes. There is a justified reason to fear vaccine damage. Having said that...

My children have had all due vaccinations except HepB (unnecessary and quite possibly dangerous) and MMR (they've had measles single vaccines). Rubella vaccine is unnecessary for DS and positively harmful to DD because it prevents her from getting this very benign childhood disease and being immune for life.

Parents put a lot of thought into their children's health. People who have made different choices are not necessarily all irrational.

I do talk about emotive yes. It is not me claiming that the one is better than the other.

I have a vaccine damaged child. Also not caused by mmr (I didn't bring that up, and this thread was about vaccines in general, not MMR).

And one day she will be in care. Because of vaccination. She is condemned to the frankly disgusting system that is in place in this country, because she had her chd hood vaccinations. It is not emotive to say that I hope to god she never experiences winterbourne view type care. But sadly it is a likelihood.

You are posting as though you wish to shut down any discussion surrounding this. I won't be shouted down. My child exists, and she has a pretty shitty life because of routine vaccination. andnthen I am called an idiot, and thick, and selfish, and a whole host of other stuff, just because I choose not to condemn my other children to the same tough life.

Just because not many people have died from measles or other illnesses we vaccinate against recently doesn't mean there is not significant morbidity from those who have suffered complications from the illness.
I have worked in a city children's hospital and have seen many children effected by complications- encephalopathy from measles/chicken pox, a stroke from chicken pox, pneumonia requiring long term ventilation. It goes on and on. So just as rarely vaccine damage can occur (and i'm not disputing that) so can damage from these diseases.

"the only MEDICAL reason not to vaccinate is previous anaphylaxis to that vaccine"

Not true. You might like to look up mitochondrial diseases, for one.

Pandas

Wakefield has done a huge amount of damage, indirectly, by his selfish and egocentric behaviour. His work has been discredited (the equivalent of 'struck off') but still it has a lasting effect.

The DM and other media sources have not helped.

Having said that, the autism 'thing' is not the only concern. I know a lady who has not immunised DD (now 12) because she 'knows' that she can 'achieve the same' via homeopathy. When pushed (gently) she is not able to describe how this works. I am an immunologist, and I 'know' that this is a complete load of tosh.

On this issue I am as grumpy as my name

Mrs

You have been measured and sympathetic.

You have a unique perspective on this issue, which I find helpful. I also think you are heroic in your openness about your all your children. I'm not sure I would have your strength.

Mrs D