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Pt 8 (Oct13) Any old prolapse! Uterus/womb prolapse, rectocele, cystocele, enterocele, urethrocele, incontinence, pelvic floor, anterior and posterior repair, TVT etc

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Bladderama · 01/10/2013 18:12

Welcome to thread 8 (again - see below) of a long-running series of posts from ladies suffering from pelvic prolapses to support each other through the process of diagnosis, repair and recovery.

With apologies for confusion in thread numbers - an earlier thread was called part 7 but it was actually the 6th thread.

Here are the previous threads:

Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3
Thread 4
Thread 5
Thread 6
Thread 7

Info from BBC Health

What is a pelvic prolapse?

As the muscles, ligaments and supporting tissues in the pelvis become weaker, they are less able to hold in the organs of the pelvis such as the womb (uterus) or bladder.

Gravity pulls these organs down and, in the more severe cases, may appear through the entrance to the vagina.

A variety of problems can occur, depending on where the weakness lies and which organs are able to descend, but in every case there is some degree of prolapse of the vaginal wall, which begins to invert (rather like a sock turning inside out).
Prolapse of the womb or uterus is the most common prolapse, affecting as many as one in eight older women to some degree
Prolapse of the bladder, known as a cystocele, is less common.
Prolapse of the urethra (the tube that carries urine out of the bladder) is known as a urethrocele.
Prolapse of the intestines is quite rare, and known as an enterocele or rectocele.

Symptoms

Symptoms depend on which tissues descend, and how severe the prolapse is.

They may include:
A sense of heaviness or pressure in the pelvis.
The appearance of a bulge of tissue in the genital area, which can be quite alarming, and is often red and sore.
Urinary problems, such as having to urinate more frequently, feeling the need urgently, being incontinent (losing control of the bladder) or, conversely, being unable to pass urine when you need to.
Pain in the pelvis or lower back.
Sexual problems, including pain and decreased libido.
Constipation.
Vaginal discharge or bleeding.

Treatment and recovery

Once a prolapse has developed, surgery to fix the affected organs is usually the only way to cure it effectively.

However, another option is to use a device known as a vaginal ring pessary. This is rather like a contraceptive diaphragm or cervical cap. It's made of silicone or latex, and placed in the vagina to push back the prolapsed organs and hold them in place. Many women happily manage their prolapse this way.

OP posts:
Loublue1 · 19/01/2014 20:11

Happy, that's a great one to say! Hubby has been very good these last 2 weeks, but now I'm walking about more and he's going to work think he forgets rather quickly! A few gentle reminders here and there should do the trick, hopefully!

Noordinarygirl · 19/01/2014 21:34

Tinkxx I feel so sorry for you and you must feel at the end of your tether. My heart really does go out to you. I still don't have a date for my op though so mine could well now be about the same time as yours too. I've thankfully only had to 'splint' a few times so that's not a regular thing yet and I do try to eat as much fibre as I can possibly get into my body to keep BMs easy.

Lou it does sound like you are about to do too much. I made that mistake after my partial hysterectomy and that's probably what's got me into the position I'm now in. So let there be a lesson in there for you. Please be very careful and although you may feel OK there's still an awful lot of healing going on inside.

Take care all you lovely ladies recovering. My thoughts are with you as you enter this new week. Tread carefully and be kind to yourselves.

Dragonroad · 19/01/2014 22:04

happy good luck at work tomorrow. Take it easy, say 'ouch' a lot and wear a pained look on your face! Seriously, start slowly and you can do more if you feel like it. Much harder the other way round.
I shall sort of be feeling your pain tomorrow. I am visiting work for the first time. Have to go to court on Wednesday regarding an ex member of staff so need to be briefed. Would rather not!

Dragonroad · 19/01/2014 22:11

Happy, I haven't had any more odd bleeding. I do still think it was from my urethra but I haven't had it for a couple of days so I am going to wait for the scan. I do still have an almost continual pain on one or both sides a bit like a stitch and my lower belly still swells. At 5.5 weeks post op now. Does happy or anyone else get a pain like that?

happylilme · 19/01/2014 22:46

I don't get pain as such just pulling and dragging feeling, got hot water bottle on back as we speak. Hopefully the scan will give you some answer. Is it on both sides?? Sometimes I get bad stomach cramps throughout the day but I think this is due to laxatives. This can really mess with your gut bacteria. Similar symptoms to ibs. Hot water bottle only thing that relieves it.
Yes doomsday tomorrow, like a funeral March through front door. Have been practicing my grimacing today, dh said I don't need to convince him. Bloody cheek. Hopefully won't be too bad though I totally understand what you mean.
Your job sounds as delightful as mine. Been in court, such joy. Timing is a bit rubbish though as you need your wits ( not suggesting for one moment you don't) I don't know about you but my brain has been rather sluggish. Well more so than before. You got a date for scan yet? And have any of your stitches come away yet. Some of mine have, think that's why in pain tonight.

kianaidan · 19/01/2014 22:55

Tink - I.ve read a lot of ur posts since having my.little one and all of these dreadful problems. I wish u a successful 2nd surgery and that ur boys shock u and really look after u in the weeka to come. I too suspect an internal rectal prolapse and wonderd if u.d mind telling me ur symptoms. I can have bm but I.m mostly loose. But I then have to wipe inside my back pasaage several rimes with a baby wipe to avoid fecal staining. I bleed from the back passage during menstration and have reduced bowel sound. Any advise wud be appreciated tia

Dragonroad · 19/01/2014 23:31

Hi happy, pain more on right than left but it can vary. As for my wits, I don't feel like I have any at the moment. I am going in tomorrow to be reminded what if is all about and what I said in statement. After I stuck a tampon in to test out the bleeding I lost one of the stitches but consultant said he put in ones that take 8 weeks or so to give my old lady bits time to heal. Nice....
No date for scan yet, might chAse it tomorrow or might give up and see what happens. I think all is probably well, I just find it hard that I was given so little after care and advice.
Anyway, Happy, take it easy tomorrow and don't forget to report back!

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happylilme · 21/01/2014 13:33

Well 2 half days back to work and I have to admit I am rather tired. The thing is I'm not actually doing anything difficult, just on the phone organising meetings etc no physical lifting and I am still tired. I am only working 3 mornings a week and I think if I even had to do five mornings it would be too much. My advice is if you can't do phase return I would seriously consider taking off longer.
I have got a little discomfort and office chairs uncomfortable even with cushion. I got numb bum syndrome after sitting any length of time so had to walk around to get circulation going again.
Lying on sofa now until school run, house work can wait for hubby.

Dragonroad · 21/01/2014 19:32

Hi happy. Well done, 2 down I half day left this week. Glad you survived and have lived the to tell the tale. I went in for a one our meeting yesterday to discuss the court case and I couldn't get it together at all. My boss was very good about it and adds wait to the idea I am not ready to return yet. Think I am going to have the rest of the half term off and go back once I have had the scan and all clear from consultant. I will probably do a few work bits to keep my hand in.
This afternoon I heard the defendant is pleading guilty so won't need to go tomorrow. Thank goodness for that!
Happy, although you are tired, was it good to catch up with your colleagues?

happylilme · 21/01/2014 20:32

Yes and no Dragon, yes for social side and feeling of normality. Then no as we are all waiting to find out the outcomes of the latest review and job losses.

I do have to say I am totally shattered now. I would say I would be fairly fit doing a lot of walking in peak district etc did running and I really can't believe how exhausted I am feeling. It has upset me a bit as I just want to feel normal, I did feel like this when I pottered about the house, I feel I've gone backwards. Hopefully things will improve over next few weeks.
Have to say though work has been fantastic letting me do as I please really.
That is good news about court. It is a horrible thing to go through. I'm sure you are relieved. I think you are right to take off until after half term. It's tougher than I thought.
Sorry about the moan, usually I'm quite positive person but feel bit weepy which is not like me at all. Sad

Dragonroad · 21/01/2014 20:44

Bless your cotton socks, happy. I really feel for you. Just take if slowly and I am sure your level of fitness will improve. It must be horrible waiting for others to decide about the future where you work but you have no control over it so try not to fret too much.
No need to answer the question but have you DTD yet? Personally, even if it was an option I don't think I would have done. I don't think it is big enough any more!

Kveta · 21/01/2014 20:47

well I went to the GP today, to ask about my possible prolapse, and she spent some time wincing at my 2 forceps births, and then didn't examine me, but is sending me for blood tests before she examines me in 3 weeks (next available appt). Not sure why! Still, seems like I'm in the system now? might be because I had asked receptionist for double appointment, receptionist refused, and GP was already running 20 minutes behind schedule when she saw me, so maybe she didn't have time? anyway, double appointment booked for next time, so fingers crossed I get some sort of outcome that isn't just 'see you soon'!

happylilme · 21/01/2014 20:58

Lol NOOO I'm doing enough vagina watching on my own without sharing it for someone else to see lumps and bumps. Sorry for rudeness think it's my mood lol.
I did have a little feel and it feels like a zip running along it. Like some mountain ledge. It definitely is tighter but I don't think it's as tight as some people on here. Not that I've seen lol just read.
What laxatives are you taking( such a lovely topic Vaginas and poos, where else could you get away with it)

Dragonroad · 21/01/2014 21:15

A zip is a good description for mine too. I get tempted to test it out but will obviously report back here at 'vagina watch central' should I do so.
As for pooping, intake a packet or two of laxido every day. Just ensures it keeps working. I am not over the idea I could heave my insides out of my vagin if I am not careful! What a party piece! What are you taking and did you navigate the work loo ok?

happylilme · 21/01/2014 21:24

Well I took suppository this morning so haven't had to go in work. There is another toilet tucked away so will try that one for size.
I did chuckle earlier when winter watch was on. Just thought of all us ladies watching what mother nature has done to our poor abused bodies.
I was taking dulcolax but these were too harsh so on movicol but got them on prescription so bloody expensive. Can you buy them over the counter?

happylilme · 21/01/2014 21:28

Kveta, I hope you get some answers soon. The sooner you get the ball rolling the better. I got referred straight to gyne hopefully you will be the same.

flouncymcflouncerson · 21/01/2014 22:28

Hiya. Just checking in. I'm feeling very down. Mostly due to the fact I need more surgery and my insides at still almost outsides. I've got a neurotrac STIM machine to use daily but nothing is going to help except further surgery which I need to wait for. Went into work last week and I'm quite stressed about the whole thing. Got occ health next week. It's all such a nightmare :(

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Loublue1 · 21/01/2014 23:17

These messages just get more strange and open it seems! Like a Zip, heaving insides out of vagina and numerous poo talks it really is
Like nothing else I've seen before. To think so many of us have similar problems and there was me thinking I was alone! Managed 2 days home alone and feel shattered! Glad I've not got work to worry about too. Running the house and taking care of my boys is hard work enough. Thankfully got some really good friends who have cooked a few meals, helped me tidy up and even ran a Hoover round for me today! So not used to sitting doing nothing, feels very odd but trying really hard not to take too much on, so worried about things going wrong! Well good luck all out there, hope vagina watch goes well!!

Noordinarygirl · 22/01/2014 10:39

Happy it's interesting, (not in a good way, I must add) to hear that you feel exhausted still as I would also consider myself pretty fit too. I used to easily knock out a few peaks in Snowdonia in a month and cycle 8 miles to work and back but now it's only walking I can manage regularly (moved last year so no longer have an 8 mile trip to work just a mile and a half walk).

The 'zip' description made me laugh, but now I remember that's what my tear felt like after I'd had my first daughter. How long can you manage sitting down on an office chair? That will be one of my biggest concerns as I spend most of my day at a desk.

Dragon can I ask if you work for the courts or are you actually involved in a case? Don't answer if you feel it's inappropriate please - tell me to mind my own business. I'm also very glad to hear that you're having a while longer off work. Why do we women feel so pressurised to carry on as normal when we're really not up to the task? Maybe we should look to the menfolk of the country and practice a bit of selfishness at times like these IYKWIM!

Flouncy I also go through periods of feeling very down about what's happening inside me but I'm trying to keep positive and I think a lot of people at work have absolutely no idea what's happening and may be surprised when I go off for ages. Big hug to you and try to keep smiling but it really is OK to feel rubbish about and we all understand the ins and outs (sorry about the pun!) on these threads.

Lou it is odd to think that we are all total strangers and we end up talking about the most intimate things on here but that's what makes it all so brilliant. We are NOT alone - by a long shot, thankfully - and I have been very surprised that it's SO common. It's something that's not talked about, similar to depression I suppose, but women should be made aware of these things before having children I think and going into jobs that involve heavy lifting - I spent 5 years in the Navy and was lugging around some massively heavy stuff EVERY single day and I'm sure that's contributed to my mess, along with a forceps first baby. BMs do become a big feature with it all so I'm watching progress of you 'recover-ees' avidly!

Dragonroad · 22/01/2014 18:07

Noordinary, I work in a school and was a witness. Courts are not my natural environment.
Do you have a date for your op yet?

lotsofquestions000 · 22/01/2014 19:37

homebird im like you 3 mnths post op and feeling blobby especially after xmas. I managed to get an appnt with physio for this Friday so Im hoping she can give me more advice. As im scared of undoing things too. I will let you know what she says.

Loublue1 · 22/01/2014 20:47

I was hoping to get back to doing some exercise after 12 weeks but judging by the comments on here that sounds a bit hopeful. I'd just started losing weight before the op and now think I may have eaten one too many get well chocs! Partly out of boredom too and it's only been 2 1/2 weeks! Anyone got any good fat burning exercises that won't cause any damage?

happylilme · 22/01/2014 21:29

I'm sure the physio said to me 4 weeks for swimming and 8 to 10 weeks for running or cycling in gym. I can't see me back to running anytime soon. Be interesting to know from lotsof. I know I will never lift weights again which is a shame as this is best for toning. As for squats or deadlifts totally out not risking anything. To be honest I am petrified of returning to exercise. I think maybe power walk or something safe.

Noodinary, today wasn't just as bad at work, still exhausted. I won't lie sitting in office chairs is uncomfortable but not painful. Lots of readjustment s to get more comfy. Think it's because I've still got stitches in place. It's certainly not painful though. Have done lots of peaks in Snowdonia, very jealous if that's where you're from Smile
It's strange before surgery I never really thought of what life would be like after, yes I knew about the 6 week recovery and to take it easy for a further 6 weeks but I think now it is much more than that and I can't imagine lifting anything over a certain weight and this in itself is quite life changing.