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Gigondas · 03/09/2012 13:36

Another shiny thread

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Gigondas · 21/09/2012 13:20

I know sometimes -and it's a new intake who "couldn't use the computer system" according to my consultant. I can't imagine how Long someone in my work would last with that excuse .

I am feeling better which is hopefully a good sign.

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smee · 21/09/2012 13:25

Go Gigs, but don't leave teeth marks. Grin

Sometimes it's Friday, so you can usefully sink into a glass or two and forget the procrastinating soon. I have a deadline of 2pm. No idea what I'm doing on here... Hmm

KurriKurri · 21/09/2012 13:26

Afternoon all, - welcome TheBarnes, - sorry to hear you are going through a rough time, and it must be very hard with a rare form of cancer, when you don't have anyone to compare notes with. But stick around - lots of us have been through chemo and we have ladies on here with various types of cancer not just BC, so we may well be able to share some tips Smile

As for chemo being cumulative - I found that it was, in that I felt more exhausted and my WBC dropped lower each cycle. But I also found that I didn't necessarily have the same side effects each time (although some things stayed constant), but if you do get a particularly nasty SE one time, you won't necessarily get it every cycle.
I also went very pale - with big dark panda circles round my eyes. - V attractive (but made a change from the times when the drug I was on made me go very red and flushed Grin)

I also had stomach and more especially bowel problems on chemo - I think it just really goes for anything with a mucous membrane, I hope they can give you something to help - there is usually something they can find, but sometimes they need a bit of nagging and persistence on your part - as I daresay you already know!

Anyway welcome to the thread and many good wishes for your treatment.

Sometimes - sorry you are feeling a bit down, I often get days when I don't seem to get much done, - and oddly its usually the days when I have lots of spare time, so could get on with things. When I'm busy, I get more of everything done. Glad you had a good time at Michael McIntyre - I like him Smile

Smee - great that DS enjoyed judo Smile Its freezing here too, so I have a big cardi on - but every so often I get a surprise flush so I have to rip it off dramatically! Grin

OTM - have a nice relaxing day watching West Wing (brilliant series) you are absolutely right in your approach - I found that you just have to accept the fatigue and feeling awful days and take things easy, - if you try to do stuff you end up frustrated exhausted and miserable. Its very hard if you are normally a busy energetic person, but you can't fight what your body is telling you.

MAS - I think you are very sensible telling your mum, and I am sure she will cope well and be a support for you. We didn't tell DD immediately when I was ill (she was doing her A levels and I didn't want her to worry about me) but in retrospect it was a mistake, - she guessed something was up, and ever since she has always been very edgy when I go to the GP or hospital -wants to know exactly what is going on, because I think she always feels we might be keeping something from her. And I think she felt excluded when she wanted to support me.

love to all - sorry for long post. Taking advantage of my computer being co operative for once (although it is making a noise like Concorde - but that's normal)

Sometimesiwonder · 21/09/2012 13:30

I share your pain. I have a deadline of next Tuesday - but I haven't managed to speak to the main interviewee yet Shock though she has promised to call me back this afternoon. I predict a flurry of weekend working. Yuk.

But 2pm, woman! Get going

Gig - at this time of year the junior doctors are even more junior. A friend who is a nurse hates August because it's when all the first-time-let-loose-on-a-ward baby doctors get sent in. She says they are utterly unprepared and hopeless. I should probably shut my gob before your confidence sinks to an all-time low Grin

Sometimesiwonder · 21/09/2012 13:32
amberlight · 21/09/2012 13:33

Hi TheBarnes, welcome to this jolly odd thread full of very wonderful people. I found with chemo that I was absolutely level all the way to the very last one. Then the last one was a s*d. But nothing about me is the same as everyone else, so take no notice of me Grin
What form of rare thingy? Dare I ask its name? You do know of Cyberknife, don't you?

Gigondas · 21/09/2012 13:36

Nope sometimes! That was my experience - luckily it is one who is ok. Just been checked for clot and all ok. Basically think the diagnosis is badly bruised arm plus low day plus 5 am wake up from mini gig means am not at my best.

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Thebarnes · 21/09/2012 13:40

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone. I have experienced the nervousness of doctors around a chemo patient as saw the GP at the suggestion of the unit as very breathless and dizzy. He said "this is not the place to come with chemo issues" and proceeded to nervously click on his mouse searching for I don't know what! I think it freaks them out as they can't just send you away but are too scared to make a judgement. He ended up calling the hospital to get the green light to send me home rather than hospital.

Thanks for stomach issue tips and yes it being rare is frustrating as there is very little out there in terms of info. Fortunately I've got a great oncology consultant and two nurses that really know everything there is to know so that helps.

Thebarnes · 21/09/2012 13:44

Amber I have heard of it but not too sure what it is. Mine is a weird one as there are lots of types but not all respond to chemo so am lucky in a sense. There is a thing called magic bullet too that apparently zaps individual tumours in cases of spread which is what will come next if chemo doesn't work. Any info on cyber knife gratefully received.

Sometimesiwonder · 21/09/2012 13:48

Gig - well that's quite positive. A good night's sleep might make you a lot brighter hops in car with baby straitjacket and gag

Thebarnes - ooh yes, GPs hate it when you turn up with a chemo query.....
And, you know, doctor amberlight is a good source of info on just about anything you care to ask. She told me all my favourite stats and stuff.

Gigondas · 21/09/2012 13:51

Sympathies on rare front- I have a sarcoma so there isn't much helpful info out there either ( google not your friend I think with cancer).

Grin at Gp response- I get a patronising and irritating cocked head and talking really slow which irritates me. Plus they got the sodding hv to call me which I could live without.

Have raided the snack cupboard for crisps and chocolate biscuits while I wait for baby doctor to return .

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Thebarnes · 21/09/2012 13:51

Oh forgot to add its called neuroendocrine and intermediate grade so a lazier one which is good. Its very unpredictable and tends to sleep for months then suddenly decide to get active which is what is happening at the moment.

Thebarnes · 21/09/2012 13:57

I must admit the GP thing made me laugh rather than anything as I think he was scared of me I should have gone in ringing a bell! Sarcoma was what they thought mine was to start with and your so right about dr google especially with rare ones as the information is often old and wildly inaccurate. Omeprazole is my friend for the next bout.

overthemill · 21/09/2012 14:12

am watching series 1 of the west wing - seen them all before when live on T ut love it so much, wonderful incisive writing with excellent troop of actor. Loved Homeland and got that ready on 4OD for afters. will finish Downton Abey (which I quite like but just as lovely background really, but with such good production values [yawn]) then nip across to Grey's Anatomy boxset - how long can I string out chemo do you think? I never get time to watch TV normally so this is such bliss!

thebarnes welcome and god luck. Everyone on here is lovely and supportive even to silly fling stuff. I have just finished 2 cycles of 6 (14 days apart, 2 sessions being a cycle) and each time has been a bit different though it does appear the fatigue is cumulative. Was urged on this thread to get meds sorted when wingeing and this helped so much, i just felt I had to 'cope' and YOU DONT!!! IME, Oncs and nurses bend over backwards to get you as sorted as possible. You can't get well if you feel crap.

overthemill · 21/09/2012 14:13

btw, obviously its my keypad that can't type, not me Grin

amberlight · 21/09/2012 14:17

TheBarnes - www.cyberknifecentrelondon.co.uk/ Behold! Cyberknife! It's highly targeted radiotherapy that has an 80% cure rate for many cancers that aren't responding for other stuff. Some health authorities don't cover it, so people s*d off abroad and get it done there/pay privately here.
Doesn't cover all cancers or all spreads of cancer, though.
They have also just discovered how to make chemotherapy unstoppable by hiding it in a protein case, so there'll be trials for that too, soon.
They're getting 85% DFS rates for that sort of cancer on some of the new treatment regimes, which is a good starting set of odds. What have they said about lymph nodes, can I ask? And surgery?

Sometimesiwonder · 21/09/2012 14:28

See, thebarnes? What did I say?

Amber's your go-to guy for info.

Thebarnes · 21/09/2012 14:29

Thanks otm I started thinking that you just had to deal with it but will sort the drugs better for next time. I too will use the time to catch up on box sets and old films desperately seeking Susan waiting for me on sky plus Blush.

Amber wow you really are good at the research stuff I get too scared to seek out. I think cyber knife is an option but chemo first as cheaper I guess? Have been told its not curable but can be lived with for long time haven't asked how long and it's not been offered so happy to remain ignorant for now.

Thebarnes · 21/09/2012 14:32

It's in lymph nodes and surgery is not option at the moment as would be major as invading stomach so a good deal of it would have to go. I think the liver can be resected but mine is peppered with the devils so not until a bit of shrinkage happens I guess.

MaryAnnSingleton · 21/09/2012 14:36

welcome Thebarnes - am just rushing in to say I'm back and will catch up later..
I have my chemo in a big bag,along with sickness and diarrhoea meds - Onc. couldn't find my notes at first (they are always going missing it seems) - he was very pleased that the CT scan showed everything was clear in abdomen- he was very surprised that there were no liver mets - yay !

Yogurt is fine for me to have so I'm extra joyful.
xxxx

amberlight · 21/09/2012 14:36

TheBarnes, yup. We're just at that point where the treatments can now 'hold' cancer for just about forever in many cases. It's becoming more of a long term nuisance than an outright s*d for more and more types. Certainly if it's only in one extra place and in only one spot in that place, the odds are pretty darned certain to be fine these days, if the team is competent and it isn't some exceptionally rare sub-type.

Meantime, you'll wish to note very good science around a) sleeping in a really dark room at night b) taking Vit D, c) taking aspirin if your medical team permits it and d) being wildly sociable whenever possible, as that boosts Oxytocin -which in turn cancels out some of the methylation of your genes. None of this is a cure, but by heck it's making a difference to the odds, they're noting.

amberlight · 21/09/2012 14:54

Oooo and... MAS and everyone....

www.cancer.org/Cancer/LungCancer-Non-SmallCell/DetailedGuide/non-small-cell-lung-cancer-new-research at the bottom of the article Lactoferrin and similar based things really do help stop cancer. I took it throughout chemo and it was very effective, it seems. Worth a go. Read, ask medical teams, buy, take.

Sometimesiwonder · 21/09/2012 15:00

Welcome back, MAS Smile

The big bag of meds is a bit daunting, isn't it? Are you planning to start today?

smee · 21/09/2012 15:05

Ooh, MAS THAT'S BRILLIANT about CT news. Smile Smile Dollops yoghurt onto trolley in abundance. Still working manically. Will catch up later xx

Sometimesiwonder · 21/09/2012 15:07

Indeed the CT results are the best news I have heard today. Smile The lifting of the yoghurt prohibition is up there with the best, too Grin