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Gigondas · 03/09/2012 13:36

Another shiny thread

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topsyturner · 14/09/2012 20:56

Gigs the only upside of chemo is that anti sickness drugs allow you to drink as much vino as you like without puking the next day !

Mas tipsy is good . I too am tipsy . Very tipsy , very very tipsy ...

topsyturner · 14/09/2012 20:58

Pah Gigs
Want rum and raisin !

jchocchip · 14/09/2012 21:24

wine, I remember -

dd2 cooked two chicken pies for tea (one with one without gravy for the fussy people) and did jam tarts with the left over puff pastry. She's only 14 but is really pretty good when its her turn to cook

left my chocolate at Mum's but not to worry, dd1 has selflessly offered to eat it! Grin

MaryAnnSingleton · 14/09/2012 21:41

wow, impressive jane !
Think I should go to bed soon- have given up on Parade's End as I don't understand what is going on...

topsyturner · 14/09/2012 21:44

Have recorded Parades End , am too drunk to pay attention !

Jane can you send your DD to my house ? I quite fancy a chicken pie !

NedSchneebly · 14/09/2012 21:50

Parades end a total mystery to me. . . Enjoying half naked Benedict though.

jchocchip · 14/09/2012 21:50

:) I don't usually like chicken pie but I do like puff pastry and these were well done... Not sure I could fit her in a box to send air mail, topsy, she is quite tall...

MaryAnnSingleton · 14/09/2012 22:22

topsy didn't answer you properly- yes,tablet form - think onc. is going through the options and starting with this...he reckons that I must have a tiny bit of spleen left as I am so seldom unwell, but as far as I know it was all removed - I just think I am fortunate to be robust ! ds is pretty similar.
Anyway, I think I'm to be aware of infections/temperature etc.- I think the general feeling was that I'm in pretty good nick to start with (arf ! ) I might buy a pedometer to monitor my walking as that seems the most practical and easy exercise for me.

MaryAnnSingleton · 14/09/2012 22:23

oh and gracie hope dh had a fab birthday - am so happy that he liked his picture ! x

topsyturner · 14/09/2012 22:30

Am more than a little pissed .
Won ton anyone ???

topsyturner · 14/09/2012 23:23

G'nite
Am pished ...

overthemill · 15/09/2012 04:36

morning all. sorry yesterday was a dreadful day for me (and tonight too, look i am up at this time!). I am back to feeling oh so tired and oh so emotional. Just really reallly fed up with having cancer and chemo. Having looked back last couple of days on here I feel guilt cos so many are going through much tougher time than me but OMG I am feeling very very low. Peaked teatime when normally calm dh shouted 'some of us don't sit on our arses all day long' at me. I shouted back something stupid like 'if only you knew how much i'd like to walk out and go back to work' blah blah blah but all in front of dd. Crap crap crap. He'd had hard day and i was so low i took it very hard. of course he apologies and has been walking on eggshells all evening, bending over backwards to be extra nice. God this illness stretches the whole family doesn't it?

My very much woo friend called last night ad suggested (again) that I can refuse the chemo - god id like to but guessing it would b a very very foolish move

mas i'm sorry, is there anything i can do? you seem so calm. unlike me.

everyone else, i've been reading but am too wretchedly tired to follow much properly. love to all though and i am appreciative of all your kind thoughts and think of all of you often

jchocchip · 15/09/2012 05:16

morning all, I can't sleep either. woke up at 4.30. Cat is at the (bedroom) door but I've been too mean to let him in so far. otm sorry you have had such a rough time. It will get better.

overthemill · 15/09/2012 05:32

jchocchip, promise?

Gigondas · 15/09/2012 05:58

It will get better otm. Trouble is (to be professor gig of the bleeding obvious) when you feel physically sick it makes you feel worse emotionally. It is particularly hard when all the simple things you used to do are wiped out (I should have known just prior to dx something was very wrong when I couldn't walk across the kitchen).

The two things that helped me to feel better were topsy saying you have to go through grieving for your old life so the whole grief curve (shock , denial, anger, sadness- and they don't all come in sequence). This can come back but you learn to deal with it better, recognise triggers and have ways of coping (wine fbs etc Wink).

The other thing is mas great advice on mindfulness. Now I don't pretend to be there yet on meditation but the premise of living in the moment is a great one. It takes the sting out of not being able to change the past (your dx) or the future (what will happen) and concentrate on living for today.

On a more mundane level, I found it helped me take back some control as I could focus on how I felt today (eg well, sick , tired). If I need meds/help to feel better I can ask and focus on that . If not it is about what I can do (usually arse about on Mn Grin) but it has began to make more sense and feel normal as way to live than my old way of rushing about, planning ahead etc.

Haven't watched either this week or last weeks parades end as it does require more brain power than most of my viewing (mas I love love bad education - it is so childish and funny Grin).

mas that is good news about your hair- makes it a lot easier as don't get the "are you ok" looks (although I am far less bothered than I thought - am down to my last eyelash now!).

jchoc amazing cooking skills from
Dd- could she come and inspire my dsc?

Up early due to mini gig- she is of
Course now asleep..: and chances of me getting a nap in before big gig and sodding princess barbie arrives are slim. What is worse is dh bought her the doll version of it that sings...

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jchocchip · 15/09/2012 06:00

sorry I got up, fed the cat and let him out and then got distracted on another thread.
promise. The initial dx and treatment takes it out on the whole family emotionally, people often say its a rollercoaster ride and it is. But, things will settle down. I'm not saying they will be the same as before, but ime calm did return.

jchocchip · 15/09/2012 06:03

xpost gig Grin at sodding princess barbie. Its a phase...

Gigondas · 15/09/2012 06:06

Jchoc is right- dh definitely went though it here (from ultra pragmatic "planning my estate", grief to the holidays from hell where thought it would be ok if he did it all with 4 kids Wink). It has settled down now.

I would quite like to hide barbie in the bin but that would be mean. At least playmobil isn't noisy (except the Christmas one which has a music organ). My love for playmobil increased more when I saw Barbie.

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jchocchip · 15/09/2012 06:14

The cooking thing started years ago, since I work full time and often quite late and didn't see why I should rush home and cook every night. We sat down and drew up a rota with 3 dcs having one night a week each. dd1 often did a stir fry with lots of veg, or spag bol, dd2 cottage pie, ds pizza or bacon sandwiches (!) but he has advanced to jar currys with rice and nan and I tend to do lots of veg with maybe roast chicken thighs or whatever is on offer in the shop... dh can get adventurous on his nights. It sometimes feels like the only thing I have done rightish, as we sit down together in the evening, whatever the meal is. The chicken pie was special though, it was really colourful with red onions and carots, decorated puff pastry and brocolli on the side. The dcs learn quick when they know they have to eat the results...

Gigondas · 15/09/2012 06:37

That sounds like an absolute inspired idea (although Grin at bacon sandwich dinner). I know helping or doing dinner when I was a teen and then sitting down to eat it was a good part of our routine.

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invicta · 15/09/2012 08:34

Sorry, what does 'dx' mean?

topsyturner · 15/09/2012 08:43

Morning All

OTM big big hugs to you , you are having a major wobble and this is all perfectly natural .
Cancer IS a bastard .
It screws you up and it screws your family up .
Gigs has said everything really .
But Amber once said "welcome to the new normal"
And I think once you can get your head round the fact that life has changed and there is nothing you can do about it , then you can get on with what your new life is .

As for your extreme woo friend , there's nothing wrong with a bit of woo .
As long as it is used alongside conventional treatment .
Please , please don't go off chemo .
It's a real bugger , but it's honestly the best thing .
And I promise you , you will get through this x

topsyturner · 15/09/2012 08:43

Dx is diagnosis Invicta
Waves good morning !

topsyturner · 15/09/2012 08:50

Jane that is brilliant .
I remember that who ever got home first when I was growing up , put the dinner on
Wether that was me and my sister or parents .

DD loves to cook (aged 9) and is pretty good at it .
DS (13) is the laziest of teenaged boys , and would survive on Jaffa cakes rather than attempt to cook something !

Was expecting to wake up with a massive hangover . But feel surprisingly good .
Maybe I'm still drunk ...

Today's plans include shopping for a new carpet for DDs bedroom .
She is having a complete overhaul .
White walls , and DH is going to mural a Japanese cherry blossom tree up one wall and over the ceiling .
So she wants a grass green carpet to complete the look !

And Ofcourse Saturday wouldn't be complete without a visit to tesco ...

Wishing you all hangover free lovely Saturdays x

MaryAnnSingleton · 15/09/2012 08:55

Ds loves eating but hasn't taken to cooking - he has sometimes helped dh do curries - but if we do baking he either wanders off or makes such a mess/doesn't do it properly that I take over (I know I should relax and let him make a mess) He did go to the Kids Cookery School in Acton in school holidays (sponsored by WAITROSE) and did classes and workshops,making lovely proper food- he loved it -they start at 4 I think,that's when he started going) might be fun for Big Gig. They used to do fruit and vegetable identification afterwards which the boy excelled at much to my great pride !
OTM sorry you are feeling so low- but do hang on in there- am surer it'll be fine and dandy in the end.

jane Celeste rattled at our door at about 4am but we ignored her and she went away.