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Any old prolapse! Uterus/womb prolapse, rectocele, cystocele, enterocele, urethrocele, incontinence, pelvic floor, anterior and posterior repair, TVT etc part 4

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Ben10NeverAgain · 06/04/2012 19:43

This is thread 3 of a long-running series of posts from ladies suffering from pelvic prolapses to support each other through the process of diagnosis, repair and recovery.

Here are the previous threads:
Thread 1
Thread 2

Info from BBC Health

What is a pelvic prolapse?

As the muscles, ligaments and supporting tissues in the pelvis become weaker, they are less able to hold in the organs of the pelvis such as the womb (uterus) or bladder.

Gravity pulls these organs down and, in the more severe cases, may appear through the entrance to the vagina.

A variety of problems can occur, depending on where the weakness lies and which organs are able to descend, but in every case there is some degree of prolapse of the vaginal wall, which begins to invert (rather like a sock turning inside out).
Prolapse of the womb or uterus is the most common prolapse, affecting as many as one in eight older women to some degree
Prolapse of the bladder, known as a cystocele, is less common.
Prolapse of the urethra (the tube that carries urine out of the bladder) is known as a urethrocele.
Prolapse of the intestines is quite rare, and known as an enterocele or rectocele.

Symptoms

Symptoms depend on which tissues descend, and how severe the prolapse is.

They may include:
A sense of heaviness or pressure in the pelvis.
The appearance of a bulge of tissue in the genital area, which can be quite alarming, and is often red and sore.
Urinary problems, such as having to urinate more frequently, feeling the need urgently, being incontinent (losing control of the bladder) or, conversely, being unable to pass urine when you need to.
Pain in the pelvis or lower back.
Sexual problems, including pain and decreased libido.
Constipation.
Vaginal discharge or bleeding.

Treatment and recovery

Once a prolapse has developed, surgery to fix the affected organs is usually the only way to cure it effectively.

However, another option is to use a device known as a vaginal ring pessary. This is rather like a contraceptive diaphragm or cervical cap. It's made of silicone or latex, and placed in the vagina to push back the prolapsed organs and hold them in place. Many women happily manage their prolapse this way.

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Ben10NeverAgain · 02/05/2012 20:30

I had trackie bottoms with v elastic waist and vest top (think 6 month preg boating from wind). I had a gown while packing was in.then nighties for night. i hate them but didnt want to ruin my nice pjs (thank you primark!) with bleeding Grin

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Nannasylv · 02/05/2012 21:06

Fengirl - are you getting fixed (sorry I've not kept abreast lately). If so, good luck, I hope all goes well. XX

Littlefish · 02/05/2012 21:08

I wore nighties the whole time I was in hospital (wore gown for first night, immediately following surgery). I changed into very loose yoga trousers for the journey home, but i was very bloated, so even these very lose trousers were uncomfortable.

Once I got home, i went back into nighties for another couple of days until the bloating had gone down a bit.

I took my own pillows with me which was really lovely and comforting. However, if you take pillows, I would suggest that you put coloured pillow cases on them so they don't get muddled up with the hospital ones.

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surewoman · 02/05/2012 22:57

Hi Nannasylv - so sorry that there is still no proper answer/solution for you. When he suggested a transit test maybe he means a barium meal?? My Father had one of those and it is very simple - you drink a solution with barium in it which shows up on scans and they take regular photos until it has all gone through.

Fen - when do you go in? Good luck with it all. I found even the elastic on big Bridget Jones pants was annoying with the bloating, so I would suggest nighties for a week and tiny knickers just big enough for massive sanitary towels, LOL!!! Smile

I feel very envious of those who feel back to normal after 5.5 weeks. It is now 7 months for me and I am still far from being back to normal. Actually the same as before if not worse now as everything that could be falling down and out is now doing so ..Sad. I am back on the 'waiting' list and have had pre-op assessments but no date yet for hospital. It will have been a year soon since I was first sent to see the consultant Angry and still not fixed.

Hugs to all old and new xxx

Ben10NeverAgain · 03/05/2012 07:53

:( So sorry Sure that it is so shit for you STILL. :(

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wouldratherbeskiing · 03/05/2012 10:07

I typed a long post yesterday but it seems I lost it - so this is probably a bit late for you Fen - I definitely needed a nightie. Took PJ's in with me but had to borrow a nightie from my 84 year old Mother - take it from me best take both if not sure!!!!

Nannysylv - I can only say how sorry I am you have been caught up in this horrible scenario for so long and hope these tests do shed some light on the pain. I was told my rectocele was only small at my consultation. I was having a huge amount of discomfort that made life miserable but it was not painful as such, and certainly nothing like you describe. I hope you find some answers soon and feel in safe hands.

Sure - this happened to my friend. First posterior repair last year, this year anterior repair and hysterectomy. I'm sorry you're needing further surgery. On a bright note my friend's repair from last year was found to be intact and she has bounced back quickly from the latest surgery. She is 59. I know we are all different but it is nice to hear some positive news. She was operated on 10 days after me (posterior repair only) and she seemed to recover better than me. I'm 7 weeks post op now and finally feeling 'normal' except for some tweaks and sensations down below but the stitches are still healing so hopefully that will go too. Good luck.

HuggyPomBear · 03/05/2012 16:23

Hi all. 2 weeks post op for me. Doing well. Still bleeding but pain minimal. Pooing well with no laxative aids!

Nana- in my almost exhaustive in reading on rectoceles, I read that a size of a rectocele is not indicative of the problems they can cause. In other words a small one can cause massive probs and a huge one can be symptomless. Small ones that cause issues can be small because they are kept in check by a cystoscope and/or good pelvic floor muscles mean that the entrance to your vagina is tight enough to prevent the prolapse becoming a higher grade. When I had my 3rd and successful consultation, I found it useful to go with a full bowel. I went like this unpurposefully as I was unable to go to the loo that morning, but it showed just how far the poo distended the rectocele. (sorry for the TMI!). The morning of my op I had nervous bowels and my body conducted a complete clear out! The surgeon who was the consultant's 2IC commented afterwards how small my rectocele was but he repaired it anyway and said my symptoms probably weren't caused by the rectocele which is bollocks as those symptoms have now gone. IMO, no rectocele, no opinion! Grin perhaps you could go back with a backed up bowel and insist on getting a repair. Sounds perverse, but I also recommend getting dressed up very smart and very very professional. I found they treated me far more as an equal than previously when I went in casual gear.

Sure woman- I am so sorry and frustrated for you about your issues. Here to listen.

Ref the nighties, I bought 2. For the first night I was in the hospital gown and the next day they removed the catheter and packing. My bits were rather sore from this and nighties were the right way to go as they did not put any pressure on me.

HuggyPomBear · 03/05/2012 16:27

Oh, and I have not been able to share this with anyone in RL, but passing wind is also so easy! Previously it would go via the rectocele too and I would end up full of wind, so even if there was no poo, there was lots of air and with the inability to complete a bowel movement, the act of passing wind brought with it a tense suspense that I might pass more than wind! Blush. This has now gone and I can trump straight! Sorry if this revolts anyone, but it is such a relief for me! Grin Blush.

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HuggyPomBear · 03/05/2012 18:45

Grin why thank you footle. I like to think that I can occasionally be of use! Where else in polite company can you mention something women are not meant to do!

The morning after my op, the SHO asked me if I was passing wind ok and must have been mildly surprised when I said yes with a really pleased expression on my face!

tazzle · 03/05/2012 19:23

I know exactlywhat you mean Huggy re the wind ....... many is the time I was so sure I had leaked (well actually sometimes I had when my IBS was playing up and I was looser than normal Sad)

also I think many of us are so relieved not to have to physically "assist" BM any more * cheers

HuggyPomBear · 03/05/2012 20:13

Exactly Tazzle! Although I am lucky to have only had to deal with this for 18 months, it's amazing how used I became to 'different' BMs and not having to have a fettle about feels strange now! Strange in a great way though!

Ben10NeverAgain · 03/05/2012 20:19

Seen my surgeon tonight. All doing well. Still a few stitches as he used really thick stitches like string to make sure it all kept closed.

I'm on lifting restrictions until 12 weeks post-op. After then I am to try to lift DS as little as possible. I hardly do now tbh except when he is kicking off and I need to get somewhere or keep him safe. It doesn't do my other condition any good to lift him - 27kg is too much!

In hospital my consultant looked remarkably pleased when I commented that I had had a look and it all looked much better cosmetically Grin. He also asked if I was passing wind - oh yes - didn't help the stupidly distended stomach though!

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duckiedaddles · 05/05/2012 10:46

hi everyone, gosh this thread moves quickly, difficult to catch up. Huggy did your pain get better again after the 10 day blip? I ask as I am now 3 weeks post op and had been off painkillers for a week but yesterday I probably walked too far/stood up for too long and suddenly felt awful again, had a feel which I hadn't done before, and could feel a really hard lump of stiches, felt like the end of where they'd done the stitching. So now really worried that the darning has popped out of where it should be, although as hadn't felt before am not sure if anything has changed - anyone else felt that.
BundertheBonnet - am interested in your op (which I hope went well and you fall into the lucky 50%) as was always my perineum that bothered me more than the rectocele and was due to have that rebuilt at my op but surgeon said when they had doen the rectocele the perineum looked ok and they hadn't done anything to it as a result. But am sure it has torn again and that is part of the reason it is all so sore today. Will probably ring ward later and see what they say if it doesn't calm down.

All this talk of not lifting ever again is scary - had really only expected 4 week ban.....

HuggyPomBear · 05/05/2012 11:27

Yes thanks duckie. I had exactly the same as you and could see/feel the last 2 stitches on the posterior side. Now the swelling's gone down the stitches have retreated upwards which is good. Now nearly 3 weeks post op and I am going for decent walks every day and no real pain.

fengirl1 · 06/05/2012 13:11

Home and will give more details later (not fit for much ATM) BUT apparently I did not have a rectocele :-/!!! And no bm's either so that's going to be fun..Sad

tazzle · 06/05/2012 13:20

oh (((hugs)0) fengirl1 .... you rest up and fill us all in later... we'll wait with baited breath to find out what the not-rectocele is .... or rather was if its fixed no matter what it was Wink

Lets hope the OJ / prune juice /laxitives / plenty of water ( whichever is applicable) work ... and may I wish you a squishy poo Brew Thanks

Littlefish · 06/05/2012 14:54

Fen - wishing you a quick recovery and lots of painless poos. Try and drink and much as you can - at least 2 litres a day to try and get things moving. If necessary, go and see your GP and ask for w prescription of Laxido. It's worked brilliantly for me, and is much more gentle on my tummy than anything with Senna in.

Hope to hear from you soon. Xx

Ben10NeverAgain · 06/05/2012 17:09

(((gentle hugs))) Rest up xx

Join the laxido appreciation society with me and LF Grin

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wouldratherbeskiing · 06/05/2012 18:59

Fen - speedy recovery. Onwards and upwards :)

fengirl1 · 07/05/2012 14:23

just lost long post for second time so giving up!!!
suffice to say in the land of the living and feeling ok but v slow and dozy!

Littlefish · 07/05/2012 17:17

Lovely to hear from you Fen. Slow and doxy is a very good sign that you should be in bed and taking it easy!

fengirl1 · 07/05/2012 19:27

Am going to do this in instalments so if I lose them I won't scream!
The question about the rectocele I really can't answer ATM - when I saw the surgeon I was spaced out so didn't think to ask, but what I guess has happened as he said it was well supported was that it has been 'pulled up' by the other repairs. Still no bm yet so I've decided I will call gp tomorrow if nothing - I too have had orders never to be constipated ever again (and have been taking lactulose and fybogel, drinking plenty and eating things with plenty of fibre).

Ben10NeverAgain · 07/05/2012 19:52

Are you OK by yourself Fen?

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