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New thread for those having/had posterior or anterior repairs, TVT, rectocele and all the other down below stitchups

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Hello ladies, I hope you find this, I don't want to lose my pre-op and post-op buddies!!

Footle Tue 03-May-11 14:52:36

Phew, a bit of a panic there, I couldn't make the link work so emailed Mumsnet Towers and they came straight back with a link that worked. Hope all the others find their way soon !
Thanks, Missing

MegGriffin Tue 03-May-11 18:45:49

Hello Missing and Footle. I am glad to hop over as my op is next Monday 9th for Anterior repair and quite frankly I am getting quite nervous.
I have packed my bag and the plans are in place. I'm just trying to get my house in order so I can go in to hospital feeling organised. Three more days at work and I have a blood test on Thursday.

MegGriffin Tue 03-May-11 18:55:29

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarhg (as you were)

Oh dear I didn't know how to do a fancy link, hope the others can find this as otherwise I will miss them!

Footle Tue 03-May-11 19:36:18

Missing, why not email Mumsnet ? They'll help, they are brilliant.
Meg, may I join in your primal scream ?

kazimodo Tue 03-May-11 22:04:28

Hi everyone,
Thanks for sorting out the new link. I'm back at work full time, still having infection problems, going for yet another swab tomorrow. This'll be the fourth one angry. Anyone else had problems? I suspect it's from the Mirena coil fitted at the same time as op. I've also put a stone on in 3 months and being really good food wise sad. So all this post-op sex I was anticipating hasn't materialised yet smile. I'm seriously thinking of having it removed but worried that heavy periods will return even though I had ablation at the same time. Any thoughts or similar experiences would be helpful smile. Good luck to all you ladies whose ops ar efast approaching. It really isn't as bad as you think it's going to be. I have no regrets despite a few hiccups.

jewellerymum Wed 04-May-11 02:37:50

If I'd known 1000 posts was the limit I wouldnt have wasted it! Sorry!
Thank you for starting up the new group! Well it's 2.30am so I'm thinking I should try And shut my brain off! So busy pre op that I can't switch off!!
Night all x

Rectdownunder Wed 04-May-11 06:58:59

Jewel I used to be so much like you, but as I aged (45 now) I started to slow it down a bit. I feel less anxious about the stuff that really doesn't make a difference in life, like always keeping my house perfectly clean and doing 27 hours worth of work in a 24 hour day. I think I started to mellow about 5-7 years ago, so around 38 or 40. I do relate totally to what you are going through.

Missing Thanks for the link and keeping us going. I would not know what to do with out you ladies. So you know, you might be right about taking pain killers for fibro and arthritis. I tend to take them because they are available and I just think there is no need to be in pain if you don't have to be. I do my best not ot overuse them though. I just can't deal with the migraines I get sometimes, they are totally debilitating.

Kazimodo, sorry to hear fo your infections, that makes things so frustrating. I don't knwo anything about the Mirena coil, but if you had an ablation done, then your period should be quite light or may even disappear altogether. I haven't had an ablation, but was offered one. My doctor spoke so highly of it nad said so amny of his patients come back and tell him it they were so happy they had it done. He told me that periods over the course of a year get lighter and lighter. He is shocked that I won't have it done, but I have my reasons that I will explain in another post.
Well that's all I know.
Talk later.

Footle Wed 04-May-11 12:01:37

I just spoke to a nice nurse on the ward I'll be on. She answered my questions ( no shaving , possible enema , were some of the answers ) and to my surprise said I'll probably be there till Monday ( from admission this coming Tuesday ) which is longer than I thought.
I also spoke to someone I know who just had a hysterectomy on that ward , and she was very positive about the nursing and the atmosphere generally. And I looked up my surgeon and he scores 8 for Clinical Excellence - after 8 they go on to the sports-type awards ie Bronze, Silver , Gold... but above an 8 they probably go on to bigger teaching hospitals maybe. Anyway i'm as reassured as I can be at this stage.
Except the nurse had never heard the word rectocele , which took me aback a bit . Posterior Repair , that's what you have to say.

Rect - I don't get headaches never mind migraines, if I did I would be popping those pills like smarties!! For me its all about sleep, get lots and the pains fade, get not enough and its a nightmare so usually I just have myself to blame. Paul McKenna sleep cd never fails to work but I never remember to put it on dur...

Have had nightmare few days, took painkillers cos of pains here and there, caused by overdoing it, plus I had put my back out. Oh dear now I remember why I stopped the painkillers initially, cos they mess my guts up. Guess this is an IBS kind of thing, stabbing pains in my guts and up my bum, it was so bad my mum put me to bed....lasted 24 hours then just went away. guess codeine is not for me. I know that people have IBS and have to live that that, good grief. Maybe I am just a bit of a wimp.... So now that those pains have gone, my aching fanny and sore TVT bits seem like a walk in the park. For all those pre op please please please try to limit your codeine, the pains from that are worse that the pain I took the codeine for!! If you do take it, take all the fruit, pear juice, lactulose, prunes, dates, licorice etc you can to avoid constipation and gut pains.

I have my 6 week check tomorrow. can't wait. I have this idea he will wave a magic wand and all the remaining aches and pains will go away. some bits of perenium are still ver sore, I truly believe the 6 week check will make it all go away... and also I believe in the easter bunny, the tooth fairy....

Cant believe I am back to work next week, still can't bend down properly, pick things up or drive, so that will be entertaining....

Hope everyone is healing well, feeling positive and enjoying the sun x

Flowers40 Wed 04-May-11 13:46:13

Hi all, glad to have found you again, hope you are all doing fine.. I am ok, got a tooth infection and my knees still hurt but my op recovery is going fine, no pain and sleeping much longer at night than I have in many years

But still got a jelly belly :0 Take it easy all..


Rectdownunder Wed 04-May-11 14:44:19

Ah Missing you make me laugh,grin you are eloquent. The thing I hate about codiene is, I can not sleep if I take it at night. I just keep waking up in a dream like state wondering what is happening. The tramadol does the same thing even though it is not codiene based.

Footle glad to hear you found the nurses nice. Funny thing, the nurse I had at pre-op called it a posterior repair as well, not a rectocele.

I mentioned how I turned down the endometrial ablation that my doc offered to me. Well besides being afraid of everything medically interventive, I just want one part of my body to naturally do its thing I guess. I have really bad PMS and just before my period, infact the day before, I cry a lot, I get really down, I stay awake all night as hormones prevent me from sleeping. Sometimes I just work all night or drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes and get this, I don't even smoke. The next day when I feel i am ready for mental hospital, I get my period. I am afraid that if I had the ablation and get my period anymore, I would wonder if I was going nuts! The period helps me to understand myself at that time of the month. Also ovulation time I get a bit the same way, not as extreme and my migraines are all associated with the dreadful monthly monster.

Sorry for the length here, rambling on so much. Have a great day all!

Rectdownunder Wed 04-May-11 14:47:09

Sorry, made a error in the last post, I meant to say "if i didn't get me period anymore" not "and get my period anymore'

jewellerymum Wed 04-May-11 21:02:37

Hey Footle - where did you look up you Doc?
I asked the surgeon about enemas and he looked at me like I was bonkers (he did that quite a lot actually!) so I am going to eat really easy to digest & light food two days before!!!!!
They also confirmed only one night stay as I am 'young'!!! LOL
x x x

jewellerymum Wed 04-May-11 21:13:09

Rect - I have NEVER had anyone describe my hormonal problems as closely as you just did!! I now keep a diary using a period tracker app on my iphone to keep tabs on where I am!
Most months my boobs hurt by about day 20, my mood issues are mid cycle and the last three/four days of my cycle. Sometimes I just cry and cry and other times I get what I call my RAGE sign, flashing infront of my eyes!!! There have been a couple of times where I have had to lock myself in the bathroom and jump in the shower so that I am away from husband as I worry (on these odd occasions) that I am so in his face while arguing that we may come to blows (we havent yet, in 13 years thank goodness!)
The other issue is that there is only a window of about 4 days each month when I actually WANT to have sex! The rest of the month I see it as a duty! How awful is that! My poor husband! He puts up with such a lot!
If I had three wishes they would be a) That hormones no longer have any effect on me! b) I no longer have headaches (today is first day in 10 that I havent had one) and c) All clothes are crease proof and dont need ironing!!!

I think that hormones are the worst thing in the world! They give me spots, headaches, lethargy, anger, sorrow, sore boobs, water retention, I wish sometimes I could just have my ovaries out and be done with it!!!

Todays rant over! x x x

Footle Wed 04-May-11 21:31:27

Hi Jewel , I looked him up on the website for the hospital under Medical Staff, then under Gynaecology. They all have their scores listed. I'm sure there is some other way to look them up , some register-thingy , but anyway I'm committed to getting this over with now.
The other interesting thing I found was that the same guy ( David Burch ) has co-authored a paper for other gynaecologists called "What should we tell women pre-operatively ?" It's on a medical site that you have to register to get on to , and although it's probably easy to register , I don't want to get obsessed here. Would be interesting though .. to see what they leave out. Ignorance is probably bliss.

God I'm glad i don't have periods any more. 11 to 56 , that was plenty thank you.

Rectdownunder Thu 05-May-11 01:03:30

Hey Jewel, Well I am sorry to hear you are much like me hormone wise, but relieved at the same time that I am not alone. You have touched even more on what it is like month to month. I also have that wanting to have sex thing, but only for about 4 days or so. Usually pre period or during, which is not good. I want to be alone for fear I will kill someone because I just snap. Really it is just wanting quiet, I don't like noise at all during or just before my period. I love your three wishes, except I really don't iron perhaps once yearly if necessary.

My husband puts up with a lot too. He has to live with me and four daughters, 4 out of 5 of us menstruate. Well lucky for him now the two older girls have moved out, Charity is moving out on her own in June and Emily hasn't got her period yet, but it won't be long because she is going to be 13 this year. My sons have a lot to deal with too, but one is older and moved out as well. My husband wanted me to get the ablation because he thought it would be nice for me not to deal with my ugly period and then we could have sex then because I won't be bleeding. He probably shouldn't have mentioned that because I was probably premenstrual at the time and to spite him, just plain refused. After I thought about things the real reason was because I keep track of my crazy days with all that. I sort of book my life around it really. I am a photographer and the last thing any bride needs is a raving lunatic taking their pictures.

Tell me more about your hormones, so to speak.


Rectdownunder Thu 05-May-11 05:37:02

Jewel, I also have the sore boobs too, in fact today I just got them. It lasts for about 2-3 days. It seems like I have so many side affects from my period and the bleeding is the least troublesome. I know bleeding is a big pain in the but. I think mine is slowing up now, it used to be really heavy, I got my first period when I was 15 and I am 45 now, I am hoping menopause is creeping in. I don't like the thought of hot flashes and night sweats, but I am a basket case now, so maybe there is room for improvement.

Anyone out there know much about menopause?

jewellerymum Thu 05-May-11 11:10:41

Just a quick post
FLOWERS40 - How are you getting on?
I am booked for just a rectocele repair but he is going to check the anterior too and repair that if needed and as usual with these ops I have signed to say a hysterectomy (sp?) is fine if needed. So I ask how you are doing having had all three done?
Do you fell 'empty' having had your womb removed? I wondered if the extra space means your bowel habits change? When they remove your cervix I guess they just sew i up to leave your vagina (I hate that word and have had to use it so much recently!) pretty much as it was?
How is your recovery?

jewellerymum Thu 05-May-11 11:13:28

Footle - I will try and look up my Doc. Think I saw somewhere he was a specialist in PMS problems - If I thought he would have the time to sit and chat I'd tell him all my problems and see what he thought! (remove my ovaries perhaps!)

Rect ... The thing I hate about codiene is, I can not sleep if I take it at night. I just keep waking up in a dream like state wondering what is happening I didn't realise that was the codeine, I thought it was cos I wasn't getting any exercise that I couldn't sleep...a h it all becomes clear now!!

Wow I will never mind my bad mood pre period, you two really have a tough time. I just get crabby with everyone, and sore boobs which let me know to go out and buy my supplies.. I will thank my lucky stars from now on. Is there anything you can do to alleviate that? Spose you have tried evening primrose oil and all that jazz already...?

Am having a quick brew before going for my 6 week check, I am terrified which is nuts as the stitching and sewing is done and dusted, and I think I dropped the last few stitches this week - I thought there was a spider on the loo seat, it was a titchy stitch just fell out, ick (sorry TMI). Terrified he will have a look and say oh dear, did it all wrong, it will need to be done again aarrrgghhhh

Also scared of going back to work cos today I am still so tired zzzzzzzzzzzz

Still glad I got it done, it's so great not having to pee all the time. Hope everyone is ok, have a lovely day ladies

Rectdownunder Thu 05-May-11 13:08:13

Missing, hope everything checks out okay today and if you are tired, can you take off more time from work even if the doctor doesn't give his reccomendation?

Glad to hear you weeing troubles are better. That is the thing that I want fixed the most, is stress incontinence. I am so afraid that the TVT won't work. If it doesn't then what? Is there another procedure that can fix it? For some reason I have a bad feeling that it really won't work.

Have a great day

Ah Rect I am with you there. That is the main thing for me too. The chances of it working are good. I don't know what else can be done after, I didn't ask him about that, I just decided it would work. I think it has worked, I am definitely improved, but as I am more or less housebound I haven't really put it to the test. When I am active again it will be easy to tell. I think it has worked..... since the op I haven't had to get out of bed at night at all, but then the last 3 nights I have so I am wondering what that all means... oh well, docs at 2pm, will soon find out...

Think the % for the TVT being completely successful is about 85%, and for the next 10%, it was somewhat successful. Somewhat is still good for me. I think only about 5% find no change.

Also bear in mind that the more this op is done the better they get, ie the ones that didnt have success are probably the first people having it done 10 years ago...!

Footle Thu 05-May-11 14:52:43

Rect, you wouldn't have your ovaries removed if you had an ablation. My sister still had a very strong sense of where she was in her cycle 20 years after a hysterectomy because of cervical cancer when she was only 29. I'm sure you would have that too as you sound tuned in to your body. But without the heavy bleeding you would find life more fun. Well, that's what I think, anyway.

jewellerymum Thu 05-May-11 15:26:07

Whats ablation?!

suzy75 Thu 05-May-11 16:04:18

Hi Missing - just want to thank you for continuing this thread, it been of great comfort reading all the woes and positive stories from surgery, and knowing your not alone. Its amazing how large the other thread got... 1000 replies! wow!

How did you get on at your 6 wk check? all ok I hope? I've got mine on monday - albeit its a going to be a 9 wk check! (waiting times with the nhs as they are!) Was it as scary as you thought? I am hoping all good down below. I still feel like a patch work quilt - and I am sure my surgeons stitches could have been better - but at least I am now fully functioning in that area wink.

My major draw back has to be the coil I had put in at the same time as my posterior repair- its made me really moody and grumpy as if a black cloud is hovering over me, I still get loads of cramping pains and periodic heavy bleeding - which is horrid. I am also anaemic following surgery - so I am really tired. So these two problems together is a little depressing! ... I feel I am having a down day! ...
S x

Footle Thu 05-May-11 17:12:48

Oh go on Jewel, look it up !

Footle Thu 05-May-11 17:29:28

Oh go on Jewel, look it up !

Footle Thu 05-May-11 17:30:01

oops. how do i delete ?

jewellerymum Thu 05-May-11 19:38:26


Oh Suzy that doesnt sound like fun - what ind of coil did you get, copper or hormone?

Had my 6 week check and all is as it should be, I am so happy! I was worried cos I have a lot of pain still, that something was wrong, but it is all where it shoudl be and he has given me some eostrogen gel to put on twice a day that will help my bits to heal. Also have been signed off for another 2 weeks hooray!! I was scared about going back to work while I still cannot sit for long and have pains still.

I have lots of stitches up the wazoo still, so hopefully they will drop out soon and life will be more comfortable. As others with posterior repairs were painfree sooner I was worried, but I think cos I had my pelvic floor muscles stitched back together at the same time, I wasn't comparing like with like.

The TVT still aches and pains sometimes, he said that is fine, its early days yet, and it will be another 6 weeks before everything settles down properly. So no Zumba just yet then!! I cannot even imagine wanting to have sex, never mind actually doing it...

Happy days

jewellerymum Fri 06-May-11 11:26:38

I hope my husband doesn't read your post Missing regarding lack of sex! He may not let me go on Thursday!
Seriously though I'm glad that all is as it should be with you. Interesting thought about the oestrogen cream - I shall as my DOC about it as I already have some cream from last year when I seemed to be getting pre-menopausal symptoms 'down there'!!!
It really does seem from the experinces here that they underestimate the recovery time. The nurse I spoke to (who has had a posterior repair) was so gung ho about it - Yeah, you can walk to school in the second week, a wedding in week 3? No problem? Pain with bowel movements? Nah, you'll be fine.!!!!! Perhaps her body has blanked out all the horrors of it!!!
I guess we all have different experiences and to be honest I am now less nervous and more....well excited isn't the word, but I in an odd way I am looking forward to finding out what it will be like! Don't get me wrong, come Thursday morning I will be beside myself, throwing up and shaking life a leaf, but for now I am putting it to the back of my mind. TBH though I am looking forward to a couple of days in hospital - I have been so tremendously busy and stressed out the last month (headache for 10 days, no sleep before 2am, huge fallout with my Dad last night, manic at work) , I am looking forward to escaping reality for a little while! - I might try for a week in there! Do you think they'll let me!!!!)
Hope today finds you all bright and breezy and feeling positive. We all have our ups and downs but your attitude can make such a difference. Worry about the things that REALLY need worrying about and sod the rest!

You will be fine, and yest a few days in hosp, with everyone else doign the cooking cleaning child rearing is great!! Madness isn't it, to have to have an op to get a rest.

I remember that once I got in the car and was on the way to the hosp I just chilled out cos I had done what needed doing and everything for the next few days was in the hands of everyone else. It was a nice feeling. Having a catheter for the first day and just staying in bed being fed and brought tea was fabulous.

I think a posterior repair will be ok, I was just wrecked inside so am suffering from the extra surgery required, I am sure by 6 weeks you will be trampolining! (and lots of sex)

suzy75 Fri 06-May-11 13:18:32

Missing - I am glad all went ok for you, hope the gel helps with the healing. Sounds like you had a lot of work down there - and enjoy the time off work! I had to go back to work at 6 wks - and it was tough. The worst are the long days when I am on my feet for 10 hours. But its getting easier.

I had a hormonal coil put in - and I am planning to have it taken out. Its giving me the craziest mood swings. I should have know better as I am the same with the pill, too many low moments. My poor children don't know what's hit them somedays and thankfully the hubby keeps quiet! I just hope they let me swap it for a copper IUD.

On a positive note jewel... I had posterior repair and now I am back together I feel so much better about having sex! I used to feel all deformed down below - and the surgery has given my sex life a lot of confidence. So tell your other half... the wait is worth it! wink.

And good luck for thursday... I am sure it will all go well. Keep calm and rest well! ... and if they offer you an extra day in the hospital - take it - I wish I had! S x

10 hours..... omg....

re the coil, as I has PND I wasnt allowed the hormone one as my gp said it would make me even more mental (she didnt use those words exactly) so I had the copper one, it was dreadful, floods of the stuff, I was glad to get shot of it

so yes getting rid of the hormone one will help calm your moods

I wanted shot of my coil but DH wouldnt sort out the snip, so after seeing a friends new born baby I pretended I was broody, and he booked the snip that day har har har

Rectdownunder Fri 06-May-11 16:04:14

Missing, you are absolutely right! Statistics are not current on sucess rates. I was very surprised to find this thread and hear some positives regardign these types of surgeries. My doctor is very experienced in these kinds of procedures, has done hundreds of TVTs and almost 1000 posterior repairs. He also explained to me why some of the older TVTs didn't work and caused damage resulting in law suits against the company. I just always look at the possibility of everything going wrong, that way I am never shocked if it does. If all goes well then I fell even better about things.

Footle Fri 06-May-11 18:03:26

I had my pre-op assessment today , in my local hospital , not the one where the op will be. The tests didn't show any problems, phew. The nurse stressed that it's major surgery ( thank you, I did know that ) and that as long as you really take it easy at first , you can expect to be properly back to normal ( different normal from before , I hope ) by about 3 months. I'm feeling like you, Jewel - oh well, here we go , kind of thing.
A homoeopath friend has sent me some remedies which I shall sneak into my mouth at appropriate moments. Won't hurt, might help.

suzy75 Fri 06-May-11 20:47:07

Missing you crafty thing! I'm not sure my other half would take the bait - he would rather another child. He said no one will 'snip' anything in that area. Thank goodness its up to the women to have children, it would be a small world if left to the men. Big babies!

Footle be careful what homoeopathic drugs you take - don't want anything it interfere with your anaesthetic. They use all sorts of drugs and you never know if they will interact. I would concentrate on deep breathing and relaxation techniques to help before the op... and then after you will be floating for a while! so you can just rest.

Footle Fri 06-May-11 21:19:36

I wouldn't mix herbal remedies with allopathic ( conventional ) medicine but have no worries with these particular homoeopathic ones to help with healing afterwards. Like I said , might help, won't hurt.
Can't wait to get on with it now.

Hee hee it's him that didn't want any more kids, I would have liked 8 but apparently I am a complete dragon when I am pregnant (moi?!?!?) not sure our marriage would have survived another one. I do recall telling him every friday (he was posted away and used to come home at the weekends) to just go back to camp, for the duration of the second pregnancy so maybe he has a point....

Flowers40 Sat 07-May-11 15:55:02

HI All and thanks jewllerymom for asking..

I am not doing too well, sorry to all those that are pre-surgery but I don;t think this has worked out for me and my cystocele, piles and frequent trips to the loo have all come back! The bulge is bulging as much as ever and I am only 1 week 2 days post op! Sods law it would have to be me whose op has failed. Cant stop crying. Its all been for nothing.
Is there any benefit to what I have just gone through? Or is a failure just a failure, end of story? I got my letter today for my post op check for end of June, do I leave it till then or say anything now?

I am gutted.

If this is where you are now, I suggest you contact the consultant/hospital now. Don't leave it till the 6 week check. It may be that the current situation is the result of swelling etc, and that it may settle down - you won't know if you don't ask.

Footle Sat 07-May-11 18:15:35

Flowers , that sounds like great advice . It may be that you're expecting too much too soon .. it sounds really discouraging but I think there were some people on the first thread who thought it had all been for nothing and then it turned out OK .
Get in touch with the ward or the consultant's secretary ( the hospital or your GP should give you the number if you haven't got it ) on Monday. Tell us what happens. Fingers crossed.

jewellerymum Sat 07-May-11 22:55:52

Flowers - try not to panic until you have seen someone. It will take such a long time for swelling to go down and things to settle but at the same time, yes, you speak to someone and get things checked. Although I bet they will tell you to give it a couple more weeks until some more healing has happened. Don't lose heart though, if they can do it once they can try again. The doctor told me that as I am young to have one already (33) I am very likely to have another one! Great! Just keep eating/drinking what you can to avoid straining and make sure you are doing nothing that may result in you putting pressure on your pelvic floor. Did they say it would help piles? I didn't think it would have any effect on them (tbh my piles and fissures cause me more pain than the bloody rectocele! )
Whatever happens keep going at it and get it sorted even if it means more surgery. Don't give up. You've come too far to let it all be a waste of time.
See a doc and take whatever action you need. Keep the ball rolling so to speak!
Much love. Keep your chin up. We're here for you if only in print!

jewellerymum Sat 07-May-11 23:04:56

I had a very early morning today (in torrential rain) setting up for a local craft fair. Boy I'm cream crackered! Lovely day though, selling my wares! Made me a little sad knowing I won't be up for another one for at least a couple of months as I won't be able to manage all the lugging about and being on my feet all day. Hey Ho!
Having a lovely day off tomorrow - first one since the beginning of April!!!!! Going to wander round an antiques fair. No thoughts of work of operations tomorrow just some self indulgence! I can start my worrying a fresh on Monday!!!
Ordered a lovely new reclining bench today for the garden. Thought I may be spending quite a bit if time reading my book in the garden over the next few weeks!
Hope your weekends are going well and that you are happy about the long awaited rain (UK peeps)
speak to you again before my op on Thursday.
Take it easy and love your life whatever it dishes out! These things only make us stronger

jewellerymum Sat 07-May-11 23:06:23

PS my Hubble had the snip a couple of years back. Best thing ever!
No more kiddies, no nasty hormones for me and no passion killing condoms!

Footle Sun 08-May-11 10:04:13

And it's nice to feel he's done his bit , isn't it ? after all the bits we just have to do.

Rectdownunder Sun 08-May-11 15:04:26

Happy Mum's day everyone!

Footle Sun 08-May-11 15:08:07

We had our Mothering Sunday a few weeks back, Rect. Enjoy yours.

MegGriffin Sun 08-May-11 16:28:24

Hi everyone. I'm doing my last check in before my op tomorrow. I'm nil by mouth from midnight and have to be in hospital by 7:30. I am hoping that I do not have to wait too long before the op or I might be seen running down the coridoor towards the EXIT sigh in my gown smile.
Good luck to footle and jewelry and any others going in next week and I will catch up after I get home.

Good luck Meg, we will all be thinking of you

Happy Mothers day Rect smile

Flowers, I had an episode of peeing a lot that calmed down, and even now, at 6 weeks, when I saw the doc he said it will be another 6 weeks before everything is feeling normal. I am hoping my tape has worked but can't be 100% sure at this early stage.

At one week everything was swollen sore and ridiculous so you just can't tell at this stage.

I hope you get to see someone tomorrow (at the hospital, not the gp) who will be able to advise properly.

Best of luck xx

Footle Sun 08-May-11 18:48:53

Meg, very best luck. I'll be going in Tues and having it done on Wed, so 48 hours behind you.
Geronimo , more or less !

jewellerymum Sun 08-May-11 21:49:15

What a busy week for the mumsnet repair ladies! Three of us this week!
Good luck for tomorrow Meg and to you footle, my surgery buddy on Wednesday. I will LITERALLY be bringing up the rear on Thursday!
I hope we are all well enough to post ASAP so that I can hear and share how we all get on through the first few days/weeks!
The nerves have set in a little this evening. My blasted father in law who I have spent all day with has this evening decided he is coming down with some flu thing that a bloke at work has! Great! If I get it will they still operate! I couldn't cope if it got postponed after all this build up!!
Hope we all have a succesful week

Footle Sun 08-May-11 22:16:21

And I hope none of us get postponed for any reason. No you definitely aren't coming down with flu Jewel, it's quite out of the question.
This time next week the 3 of us will all have it , um, behind us.

jewellerymum Sun 08-May-11 22:26:08

Thank you for dismissing my cold Footle, I just needed someone to put it out of my head!!! LOL!!!
Anything I can possibly worry about, I will!!!!
How's the cleaning going!?!? I have so much blinkin ironing to do!
Tomorrow I have to wax (I know its not neccessary but I do anyway and I'm not going in looking like a hedgehog. Then I have to label and invoice stock for the shops I supply to make sure they are fully stocked before I naff off for a couple of weeks!
Tuesday is ironing day and food shopping and a visit to my hairdresser for a quick dye (again, not for the op but my premature grey roots look shocking!)
And Wednesday is cleaning day!!!
My new MP3 player is loading with my favourite songs and I have new slippers! PLus I have lactulose ready in the cupboard!
So I think I am almost there! I need to keep busy to stop me thinking about gemeral anasthetics!!!!
Bed time
Night all

Footle Mon 09-May-11 07:42:02

Nice to be buddy with someone who is my complete opposite ! I barely know what irons, hoovers etc are for , and I like to think my grandchildren build up their immune systems nicely when they're here. Things are tidy most of the time, and we wash ourselves , our clothes , bedding, and our dishes fervently, but deep down grown-up housecleaning has never really featured much.
I'm planting out strawberries and beans , having last cups of coffee with friends, and choosing some books and some knitting, though if I can't sit I don't think I'll be able to knit much.
Don't worry about the anaesthetic, Jewel - that's when you just float away. Oh God now I am worrying about it...
Meg must be in hospital by now, with a lot of good wishes from us all.

Flowers40 Mon 09-May-11 13:23:50

HI everyone
Thanks for the messages of support, I am feeling much better now after a rough weekend, esp. Saturday. I am not phoning the ward as I have no real 'proof' my op hasnt worked, I just got my knickers in a twist for some silly reason (scuse the pun) and then looked online and reinforced the idea by what I found out... Bit shocked to read just how many poor women this op DOES fail for, my heart goes out to them, not sure at this stage (week 2) that I could EVER contemplate another op if it hasnt worked, some poor things have had 2 or 3 now and still not right.

But fingers crossed mine has worked, no point getting worked up like that till after the post op check at week 6, I am so sorry I behaved like that, only you guys will understand that I can only cope with it all if I think its worked, so I am putting those neagtive thoughts away for now and concentrate on getting better.

Good luck and best wishes to all going in this week!

careful what you read on the net, there are some american sites full of horror stories, nearly made me cancel my op

I think Rect has some info on why - in the days gone by - the TVT op used to fail more than it does now

I have had exactly the same thing tho - I have had a few times when I think argh it hasn't worked!!! and I feel sick to my stomach

Not sure if this is any help - for the TVT op for example I know that by peeing so often for years that your bladder shrinks. So although I can go ages now, often I still go often, due to shrunk bladder. I did think about trying to hold on for ages but I think that was a bad idea, I mentioned it on the 6 week check and he said oh no don't do that. I think over time the bladder will grow to a bigger size again, but it's not going to be immediate.

So what I am getting at, even with all the stitchery things will take time to settle, inflamation to go down etc etc and all you have to do now is rest and think happy thoughts xxxx

jewellerymum Mon 09-May-11 22:40:39

How are you doing Meg? Let us know as soon as you are able!
Footle - What time are in tomorrow? Are you early on Wednesday? Is that why you are in for the night before?
Speak soon

Footle Tue 10-May-11 09:05:05

Just been told to ring back a bit later and probably don't have to be there till 4. No idea why they want me in overnight - I probably will get done early tomorrow because I have a minor problem with latex ,which means the theatre is supposed to be latex-free just in case I explode , but they didn't know that when they told me to come today. It just seems to be their procedure. I feel even more jangly now, was ready to leave at any minute.
Well at least they didn't cancel me !
How are you doing, Jewel ? Btw I'd love to see your jewellery but I suppose posting a website would spoil your privacy on here.

jewellerymum Tue 10-May-11 10:30:58

Hey Footle - Kepp those jangles under wraps - you can do it! (she says as she trembles slightly at the thought!) WE CAN DO THIS!!! LOL
I'm not sure that I'm too worried about my privacy! I was going to post my website earlier but actually thought it may be a bit low to 'advertie' myself on a thread about having our bits fixed!!! LOL. Can you PM on here? I could send you a link via a message!!!
Try not to stress too much today, I know it will be difficult so just keep yourself busy! Any last bits of shopping you need or maybe you could the iron out and reaquaint yourself with it! LOL LOL (or you could nip down here and do mine!!!!)
Best Best wishes for tomorrow - As I am hardly ever parted from my laptop or Iphone I imagine I will try and do a quick reply post-op on Thursday!!!

Footle Tue 10-May-11 10:58:05

Lovely stuff, Em , I'm tempted . Pretty site too.

jewellerymum Tue 10-May-11 11:53:14

Thank you - Now go get your Fou Fou sorted out!!! x x x x

Footle Tue 10-May-11 13:39:13

Still here, have to ring again at 2.30. Watch out Em, I'll be down to do the ironing all wrong any minute now.

jewellerymum Tue 10-May-11 14:02:12

On your way could you please pick up some milk and a loaf of bread - the ones with the seeds in!
Are they just waiting to turf someone else out to give you a bed??
"Mrs Jones I'm sorry that you are still having trouble with your BMs but we need your bed, we have Mrs F coming in at 4pm!!!"

Footle Tue 10-May-11 14:38:40

FINALLY. They still don't sound in any hurry to see me but Mrs Jones has presumably left the building, and I can't stand hanging around any longer.
Wish I had a smartphone. It says here Do not use mobile phones within the hospital. They have got to be joking. I shall be texting under the blankets. That greedy BT just wants us to use their equipment.
Jewel, good luck with yours, Meg I hope you're feeling reasonably well when you read this, see you all soon.

jewellerymum Tue 10-May-11 14:53:44

Big Hugs x See you on the other side!

Flowers40 Tue 10-May-11 19:48:14

Good luck Footle and Jewellerymum!

Wishing and hoping you have a pain free op and recovery!! xxx

Rectdownunder Wed 11-May-11 05:56:06

Good luck Footle and Jewel. Can't wait to hear from you both after you are home again. Wish you well.

Good luck ladies, fingers crossed all goes swimmingly xx

jewellerymum Wed 11-May-11 13:08:17

Cor the nerves have really set in!!!
All the cleaning is done, ironing, jewellery orders etc etc!!
Just a food shop left!
Would love to hear how Meg has got on before I go in! Also hoping I can use my mobile in hospital!
Footle - thinking of you and sending happy healthy vibes x x
ALL THE LADIES ON HERE - A huge thank you for all the support and well wishes in the lead up to my op. Your candid thoughts have meant so much to me! I will be back as soon as physically possible (or as soon as the hospital let me use my the internet on my phone) to let you know how it has all gone!
Happy Happy Healing to you all x x x x

Rectdownunder Wed 11-May-11 14:57:29

Footle, I just want to respond to your comment regarding ablation. I understand what you are saying in your opinion about life being better without a period. My flow has not been pleasant, slowed down in the last 6 months, so I am hoping menopause is in the near future.

I think with being in tune about where I am in my cycle is true, but only to a certain degree. I get total confirmation when my period arrives as to why I am a crazy girl. Even with that, prior to the actual bleeding, I for some reason always think I am going crazy. It is like my mind just is not convinced that my period can be the cause of it all. Many years ago, I actually did go into the psychiatric hospital several times because of this because I was suicidal. All their drugs would not help me in any way, for 8-9 years they tried to help me, but hormones are just nasty. I guess for the past 7 years now I have learned to deal with it better and completely psych. drug free. I guess the fear of not having absolute confirmation about it is quite scarey, I don't want to spend anymore time in the mental hospital, I am a completely normal highfunctioning individual and I am embarrassed by what it used to be like for me.

Best of wishes to you in your op. and recovery, I can't remember if it is today or tomorrow for you, but good luck!! xoxo

jewellerymum Wed 11-May-11 17:53:58

Meg was Monday, Footle today and I'm tomorrow!!! LOL

suzy75 Wed 11-May-11 21:05:57

Good luck ladies! hope all goes well for you! S x

Rectdownunder Thu 12-May-11 07:54:05

Wow it seems weid, three of you are going to be away for a bit until you are home and ready to tell all. I hope all is well for all three of you. I think you are 7 hours ahead of me, so that means jewel is going in fairly soon as it is already Thursday there. I will be in the same position next Thursday, starting to get a bit anxious now. Have lots to do to keep my mind off of it though.

Missing, glad you are still off work for a bit, that is great for you. Do you still think that the TVT might not have worked for the leakage? I want so bad for that procedure to work above everything else. The success rate is only 80% and of the 20% left, 10% feel some improvement, 5% feel slight improvement and 5% have absolutely no improvement. Out of 100 woman 1 will have a total disaster and end up with vaginal erosion which I understand is devastating. Thbese are factual stats I got from my doc and looked it up online with the company manufacturing the sling.

The horror stories regarding lawsuits were towards a manufacturer from 8-10 years ago. The tape was not designed with mesh type holes and this caused the tape to erode the urethra over time and left woman completely incontinent. It actually killed the tissues it rested against because it was a solid unbreathabble tape. The TVts designed now are breathable mesh, allowing tissues to adhere to it nad become part of it without causing tissue death.

Well that's all I know, sorry for the long post, just had a lot to get down, haven't been in touch always this past week.

MegGriffin Thu 12-May-11 10:00:13

Hello, i'm back!
I came home yesterday afternoon so only 2 nights in thank goodness.
I went in Monday at 7:30 and went down to theatre at about 10:15 (I was second on the list). When I saw the surgeon he told me I also had posterior and uterine prolapse but not as bad as cystocele. I tild him do what you need to even hysterectomy if necessary as I would prefer not to come back. In the end he only did the anterior repair as he said others not too bad.
I was put to sleep at 11am and woke up in recovery at 1pm. As my bleeding was not too much they did not pack me. I had a large sanitary pad which they left between my legs and checked and changed regularly.
I was severly uncomfortable with the catheter and needed lots of pain relief until I was comfortable. They removed that Tuesday morning and gave me a bed bath. later that day I walked gingerly to the toilet and sat on it, feeling like my insides might fall down it (they didn't!)
I was lucky in that I had no nausea and started to eat and drink so the drip was removed and felt much more comfortable and was able to move around a bit more in bed.
I came home with Lactulose, co-codamol and ibuprofen. I had a BM last night (it was like having a baby including labour before hand shock ) but didnt really hurt. I have heeded the warnings about the codeine and constipation so will only use them if in a lot of pain.
Need to lie down now as I am typing this laying on my side in bad and really tired already! Hope the others are going well and can't wait to hear their stories. It's funny, all the magazines and books, puzzle books I packed I didnt need in the end as I was too zonked to concentrate!
Im sure I will have more questions but im not thinking straight at the moment x

Flowers40 Thu 12-May-11 15:21:05

Well done Meg, glad its all over for you, now rest and take care of yourself xx

Rectdownunder Thu 12-May-11 15:43:30

Good for you Meg, I hope I am as brave as you were. Just reading your post got me very nervous for next week. I also plan to let the doctor know prior to surgery, to do whatever he feels is necessary to fix me. I am having the posterior repair and the TVT. I think that my cystocele is really a lot worse than he thinks, but then I don't really have any others to compare it to.

Keep us posted as you feel up to it, but you're recovery is #1 right now, so take it easy.

Glad to hear your story.

MegGriffin Thu 12-May-11 17:15:31

Rect sorry didn't want to make you nervous. I am glad I had it done even though it's early days. They take great care of you in hospital. Don't be afraid to tell them if you are in pain as they tend to start small (paracetamol) but are happy to give you more on top of it as required. I had more lots grin.

MegGriffin Thu 12-May-11 17:16:04

Thanks flowers

jewellerymum Thu 12-May-11 17:55:15

I told you I'd do this - woke up an hour ago and here I am with an update!!! LoL - they unfortunately couldn't surgically remove my iPhone!
I feel surprisingly well. Perhaps that's all thedrugs!
They just did a rectocele repair. Haven't spoken to surgeon yet but it all seems to have gone to plan.
My only discomfort is heartburn (which I'm sure is due to not eating for a while) and I hate the catheter. It doesn't hurt but is just 'odd'!!
So, so far so good!
Staying in tonight and then home tomorrow all being well
A little apprehensive about how I feel when the cocktail of drugs wears off but apart from that it's all fine!
Love to all x

MegGriffin Thu 12-May-11 19:16:50

Wow jewelry I bow down to you. I was totally away with the fairys for the first 24 hours! Glad it went well and keep us updated!

jewellerymum Thu 12-May-11 20:19:01

I know! I'm really surprised too! I'm wondering whether they've actually done anything! 4 hours since I woke up and I have a very light ache low down in my tummy a big like a mild period pain. Maybe he went in and didn't think it needed doing!!! If not for thd catheter I think I would've been happy going home but it's good for hubbie to have a nice quiet night!
One moan - I flipping hate plastic NHS beds! I'm so blinking hot and have to keep peeling myself off it despite the sheet between me and it!! Lol
Right book reading time
X x x x x

MegGriffin Thu 12-May-11 21:01:02

You are a good advert for surgery. Long may it continue. smile

Rectdownunder Fri 13-May-11 06:14:49

Wow! Jewel and Meg, you too are amazing, maybe I'll be so lucky too. So tell me, what drugs did you settle with in the Hosp.? Were you nervous just before going in? I think I am most nervous about having the spinal block, when they put the needle in my back, don't know what to expect.hmm Hope the sedatives are good!

The next most unnerving part is having the 1st and perhaps 2nd, 3rd , 4th, etc. BMs. shocksad

Well I have less than a week to wait Talk to you soon.

jewellerymum Fri 13-May-11 08:33:26

16 hours post op and still amazed at how well I feel!
I arrived yesterday at 12 but didn't go to anaesthetic until 3.15. By then I was a wreck but kept the tears back!!
Was chatting to one nurse while another injected into canula on back of my hand. My face went a little pin prickly and then I woke up in recovery. 4.20pm wasn't award of any tube - she said I spat it out!
For ten minutes I talked and talked to the recovery nurse like a nutcase as I was so glad I was alive! Had trouble keeping my eyes open bug was awake.
At 4.30 I was back on the ward all smiles and on the phone to my mum and dad!
Right - medication - one lot of Morphine, diclofenic and paracetamol to start with at 2pm
Then at 10pm last night had more diclo and para but refused codeine
Also blood thinner injection

This morning have just had para

Pretty much I have no pain!
The catheter was not fun to start with as I felt like I was erring myself but soon this sensation went and I wasn't aware of any fluids moving and it was wonderful to fill my body full of lpads of water and not have to keep weeing!
By 5 this morning I had had enough of it was achey and it was takenout at 6am. Ouch!!! Flippin heck. Glad it only took a second as it stung like merry hell!
Two and a bit hours and not been for wee yet. Passing wind (sorry TMI).
Virtually no bleeding - no packing - just a pad but only one while in bed.
I am being realistic I am sure I will have more pain and bleeding when I move round more but I am genuinely surprised at how well feel

Just waiting to see what the surgeon has to say and what he's actually done. Can't feel any perineal stitches so think it's all interior. Perhaps it only needed one or two?
I'll let you all know
Big kisses to all esp this weeks patients! Hope yours doing ok Meg and Footle

MegGriffin Fri 13-May-11 08:34:35

Rect, I has morphine in recovery room then on the ward had paracetamol and oral morphine and/or diclophenac (sp?) I dont know if having an anterior repair may be different with regards to BM but I did not have pain as such. It is difficult as you dont want to 'push' it out through fear of bursting stiches or pain. I sat there for ages, then stood up, then sat down, rubbed my back etc. I had a few fase alarms where I thought I was going to poo and instead did a massive fart blush. After, my stomach ached but not too terrible. I think the lactulose makes you windy but it is helping to soften things. I also had one dose of senocot in hospital.
I know it's easy to say but don't worry too much as they really do take good care of you.

jewellerymum Fri 13-May-11 08:38:55

Sorry for all the spelling mistakes. Predictive text is a pain! Hope you can figure out what I mean!

MegGriffin Fri 13-May-11 08:41:29

Jewel, my first wee was red with blood. No one warned me about that!

Rectdownunder Fri 13-May-11 16:22:12

Why is the first wee bloody? The BM issue is going to be so scarey, that I really don't know if I will eat until I am healed. I can remember postpartum how painful having a BM was. Probably for the first two months. I had it with all 6 of my children. It seemed like when the stool was entering the rectal area I could feel a horrible stabbing pain inside that would not pass until I passed the stool completely. It was horrible. It was probably due to intestines going back to their place after delivery and all the bruising feeling along the rectal muscle area. Knowing that they are now cutting the vaginal wall right along the rectal muscle and then sewing that back together, I am terrified for the pain afterwards during a BM. I almost passed out having a BM after my kids were born, this is going to be awful. I am not too wimpy, had children without pain med during labour. i guess there is nothing I can do about it, whatever happens, happens.

Keep healing ladies!

MegGriffin Fri 13-May-11 16:29:12

Rect, hopefully jewellerymum will have a positive story about post surgery BM as she has had the same exact procedure as you.
I had the blood I think fron the catheter. Each wee I had, had less in it until after about 4 or so wees it was fine except if blood dripped from my wound in to the toilet bowl. The first couple of wees you do after the procedure, you collect for them so they can make sure your bladder is not retaining urine. When I did the first one i was shocked as it had lots of blood (was totally red) but the nurse looked very casual about it and said that it didn't worry her. I assume it was from the catherter removal although she didn't say and I didn't ask.

MegGriffin Fri 13-May-11 18:03:54

For those ladies that have had this done - I have an ache from my waist down throughout my whole abdomen a bit like period pain. Can anyone tell me if this is normal please? I expect they pushed and pulled my insides about whilst they were in there?

Jewell - that is just what I did, I woke up from the op and was so glad to be alive I stroked the recovery nurses face saying "thank you, thank you" cos I was so happy - when I sobered up I was quite embarrassed...!

Rect, I think, I hope, the TVT has worked, sometimes I think argh no it hasnt then other times I don't go for ages and am sure its perfect, so I am at the moment refusing to think anything negative and let myself not worry for another 6 weeks. I am sure I have improvement but until I am back to normal activity levels I just can't really tell for sure. Even if I have some improvement but not 100% then I will still be happy. I refuse to be one of the 1%!!

What you have described there, the pre poo pain, that is the worst part of this for me BUT its only been when I have taken the codeine, so if you eat piles of veg, dates and so on, and skip the codeine as much as poss you might be ok. I am eating lots of salad, mushrooms etc at the mo and its very effective!

My first wee only had a bit of blood in it, I think everyone's different and as you pee in a bowl so they can check you are outputting properly, the nurse will be checking it and so will tell you if there's anything worrisome. After a catheter for a day, with me drinking everything I could, my first wees were HUGE it was great fun after tiny wees for the last 5 years

good recovery ladies, it's all onwards and upwards from here xx

MegGriffin Fri 13-May-11 18:16:25

Missing, did you get general abdominal ache like period pains during your recovery?

jewellerymum Fri 13-May-11 20:35:17

Meg - I have the same pain
From my waist downwards - including my lower back
I am little more uncomfortable today but am back home now and had to walk to the car etc etc.
I am already stressing about BMs - I feel that it is there low down in my bowel but I dont have a huge urge to go yet and so would only do it with straining! The slightest straining makes me bleed so I just avoiding it for now - taking lactulose, drinking as much as poss!
TBH I think the majority of my 'tummy' pain is that I need a poo!!!!
Hoping that some more lactulose tonight and a good sleep will lead to a movement in the morning!!!
Still feeling OK but the initial 'wow' has worn off a little now I am home and am realising it wont be easy with the healing and trying no to do stuff! My mum has told me to stay in my Pjs all weekend to remind people that I am ill!
Think I will!
Kisses to all

MegGriffin Fri 13-May-11 20:40:54

jewel, that's exactly the same I have got so must be normal. I found with the BM was to wait until the urge was strong, then it comes naturaly without too much pushing. I have been eating fruit/sultanas and drinking lots of liquids and with that and the lactlose have been ok. Don't get stressed about it as the more you realx the easier it will be!

jewellerymum Fri 13-May-11 21:33:02

Thanks Meg - I know it's just as much about mental as it is physical!!!!
When you worry about something it makes it worse! The fresh blood when I go for a wee makes it more scarey!!!

Footle??? Where are you? We need to hear from you to complete this weeks patient updates! Hope you are OK. Love to hear from you when you are able x x x

Re the abdominal pain I just cant remember. I took a lot of pain killers so think that probably masked it, then I suffered for that (the painkillers) later when I finally had BMs

to be honest all the abdominal pain was poo pain, and it was grim so eat that lettuce, that fruit, ladies!!

and yes, stay in your pjs for the first week and if poss, stay upstairs!! I was like a mad lady in the attic, didnt go downstairs till one week after op

have a good restful day ladies, and hope footle is ok xx

Rectdownunder Sat 14-May-11 13:07:26

Footle, I hope you are okay. Post when you can.

Well I was at my daughter's grad last night and her friend's mom told me about her surgery for cystocele repair from 12 years ago. I am thinking that a TVT sounds much better. She had her op done from the lower pelvic area. They stitched her ligaments that hold up the bladder and urethra back to their original spot. After she was done, she couldn't wee on her own, so they put the catheter back in and she went home with it and had it in for 2 weeks. Got an infection from it and felt rather housebound, she refused to go out with the bag hanging from her leg. Anyway, it did work for her, but now she told me she has to have it done again. I told her they have less invasive ways to fix it now. She wants a hysterectomy to stop bleeding, but they won't do one. I told her about endometrial ablation. Now she wants to go in and have both things done. She was really happy she fixed her bladder and would do it again. By the way, she had 4 kids and she does a lot of heavy lifting on the farm, that's why her repair has worn out. She is in her late 40s.

I am getting nervous I thinkconfused I can't seem to get a good nights sleep. I am tired, but keep getting up early in the morning and I hate mornings, would sleep in till 9 everyday if I could, but I have been getting up at 5:00 a.m. I feel kind of queazy and nervous a lot of the time. Oh I hope I don't chicken out at the last minute.

Happy healing!

jewellerymum Sun 15-May-11 00:31:20

A bit up and down today!
Was silly of me to think yesterday that I was 100% so soon!!
Slept really well after my first toilet traumas (sorry TMI). Tbh my main worries today have been BMs!! Once I started I was going every few hours! Have cut back on the lactulose!! It is just terrifying every time you feel the urge because of stressing the stitches. There has been fresh blood but only a little and none in-between toilet visits.
Was a bit teary this morning as I realised that I have a big row of stitches in my vagina!! And will have for a few weeks! Fortunately they are all internal so sitting is not a problem.
My round up for today is that I have been uncomfortable, like period pain and the second half of today have become aware that I am sore inside. Pain is only a 4 out of 10. My bowels have been gurgling gurgling gurgling all day and BMs are more worrying than painful!
Not sure how many days I can sit on the sofa for, but also realise that after 5 mins of puttering around the house I ache and gave to sit again!
Think my lovely husband is already over the novelty of having to look after me plus his hayfever has kicked in today so he is like a bear with a sore head! Looking forward to boys going to school on Monday as am finding the noise a bother! ( although they are trying hard to be angels)
I guess I spent so long worrying about the op and the general anaesthetic that I failed to think about having a few weeks of stitches in my you know what! It would be easier to have a broken leg, at least then you look like you should be sat on you'd bum all day!
But, for the ease of the op and the fact that the pain isn't too major I would recommend the op definitely. I even think it felt different going to the loo today, already (TMI warning) like it kind of shot out! It didn't go round any corners of get lost at a dead end so to speak!
Long way to go but I know it's do-able !!!
Much love x x

Rectdownunder Sun 15-May-11 08:18:04

Jewel, You sure have a good grasp on what and why you're feeling the way you are. I think I will feel quite depressed afterwards, I don't like feeling useless and I definitely like to feel more comfortable physically than I will after the surgery.
I am getting nervous now as my busy time with work and committments are done. Now I have to get the laundry done and clean the house and plant the gaarden and have three days to do that. What did you do to keep busy just before surgery?

Well I am going to bed. Keep me poster.


MegGriffin Sun 15-May-11 08:51:32

Hi girls. I'm on day 6 after surgery today. This time last week it was the day before my op.
I woulld say my pain is about 4 as well so long as I keep taking the pain killers. One thing i learned at my expense was to keep them going so the pain does not build up otherwise it's harder to keep under control. I am still alternating ibuprofen and paracetamol and save my co-codamol for bed time if I can. I am having 5ml of lactulose 3 times a day and that, with fresh orange juice and fruit etc so far has kept them soft enough to pass without too much trauma. Jewel, youre right about the gurgling and wind flying around your insides. Mine feel like there is something moving around in there sometimes. Must be the lactulose.
I still have some bleeding but only like that of the end of a period. I also have watered down blood when I wipe after a wee but it's slowly becoming less and less.
I have a period due in the next week or two so will have to contend with that using sanitary towels, nice!.
I am still lying down quite a lot but that is because I fing being upright quite uncomfortable, especially sitting. That is also slowly improving with time.
My mum and dad have visited every day and keep saying do you feel better yet? I think it's going to be hard for people to understand it will take weeks until we feel better although at least now I can report small improvements.
Jewel, my DH has so far been fab but I do wonder how long it will be before he feels the burden of being 'mum' and doing all the little things I would normally do.
Rect, you will be absolutely fine! This time next week it will all be over!
With regards to footle, I onder if they kept her in over the weekend? I overheard someone say in hospital that if you don't get discharged on the Friday you have to stay till Monday as there is no Consultant to discharge you over the weekend? Don't know if thats applicable in every hospital though.
Keep your chins up ladies xx

jewellerymum Sun 15-May-11 19:41:34

Rect, please try not to worry too much - Yes, I was terrified before I went in - sat in the ward waiting with my head in my hands asking why o why I was doing it! In the anasthetic room I was virtually in tears, shaking and questioning what I was doing, but it really really isnt that bad.
I would say that the whole process is more drawn out and long winded than anything. Recovery will take quite a long time but this will be at a low level of discomfort! My parents and Grandma visited today and I talked candidly to them about what is was like before and when I said that for the last three years I was having to manually 'help' with BMs, was worried every time I was intimate that I would have an 'accident' I realised why I had this done!
There is no guarantee that this will work but I cant be any worse than I was!
Your symptoms are not life threatening.
You CAN live without this operation.
It WILL be difficult for a few weeks.
It will be unfomfortable and be sore.
By by goodness Rect, don't you think you deserve a better quality of life?
As far as I am concerned you only get one go at all this - why spend all this time feeling so wretched!
Someone can fix this for you. Let them!
And do ANYTHING you can to keep busy for the next few days - regrout the bathroom, clean out your kitchen cupboards, wash the curtains! I loved coming home to an extraordinarily clean house!!! LOL
Hugs X X X X

jewellerymum Sun 15-May-11 19:46:59

Plus, Rect, please accept this as a very small virtual kick up the bum - you need to go into this with a positive attitude - It will go well. I will cope with the pain. I will heal quickly. My life will improve.
Stop thinking that you will be depressed otherwise you are plotting the outcome! No one likes to feel useless but get prepared with stuff to do afterwards that you can do sitting down. I am using my laptop a lot. Preparing new things for my website, making jewellery on a tray. Colouring in (yes I know its kids stuff but i love it!), doodling, reading, knitting, puzzles and you can sleep! If you're already lying down you may as well!

Rectdownunder Mon 16-May-11 03:47:11

Jewel, you're absolutely right. I will be more positive. I can work on many things sitting down. I am a photographer and am designing a new website as well. I do love to knit and have a project started. I will have plenty of things to do for sure. I just feel bad that it is not the things in particular that need to be done is all. I wait out every long winter to finally be able to go outside and garden and well it will be delayed this year and I won't be able to do the gardening I did last year. Gotta go, company at the door. talk soon!

Rectdownunder Mon 16-May-11 07:24:01

I'm back, company's left. Trying to remain in a better frame of mind. I just find myself feeling sickly and nervous in the stomach, I really can't control it. It might be partly premenstrual as I am close to my period, which doesn't help any under these circumstances. I know I will get to the hospital and act like nothing is bothering me, but inside I will be feeling rather beside myself emotionally. I am actually tired of waiting for the outcome, I just want to deal with it and get it over with. I know then I will feel better about things, even if I'm in pain. I am really hoping for my surgery to be booked in the early morning. I won't know until I phone in the night before. The biggest reason is I drink a lot of water and I find it really difficult to go that many hours without water, the later in the day I am the longer I feel thirsty. The other reason of course is feeling nervous while I wait out the day. I know I will deal with it, just want it to happen already.

Bye for now

jewellerymum Mon 16-May-11 09:09:24

Everything you are describing is completely normal! If you didn't feel thi way I'd be worried. Times flys and before you know it you'll be day 4 like me. It will go so fast! You cannot remove you nerves, I get that, just make sure you remain in control! You won't turn round and do a runner because you need this and you've waited for it! Nerves are a simple human reaction to the unknown. Now get those last seedlings planted, fill the freezer with yummy food and get yourself ready! I'm going back to bed! Because I can!

Rect, its so normal to feel like that, I think we all did. Mad cleaning is great. Imagine, you will be fixed and everything will be lovely...! but it will take time.

Rectdownunder Mon 16-May-11 14:27:25

Thanks jewel and missing! You guys would understand and I believe you. I will clean my house for the next couple of days as it needs it and it is a huge house, so lots to clean here. Wind has calmed down finally and so the garden can be done today. My husband has the greenhouse set up so I when I feel better I can go out and water the plants without lifting heavy water jugs. I am curious about how long it will take before I can make that walk out to the garden and greenhouse. I is about 100 meters from the house down a little hill. I can see it from my bedroom balcony, so that is nice too. I will not push myself though as hubby is totally capable of taking things while I'm laid up. So jewel, can I ask you what your website is? I would love to see your jewellery. Thanks again, you ladies are wonderful.


jewellerymum Mon 16-May-11 15:07:32

Hi Rect. You'll be able to walk short distances, but will need to sit down as soon as you get whereever you'e going! It will make you ache, like a heavy dragging feeling but it wont damage you as long as it is just a short potter. I am avoiding walk as much as possible but have been up and down stairs to the loo and around the house. I would be concerned about you lifting even little jusgs of water tho!!!!
A week or two of sitting seems like a long time but it will go quickly!
I know that it is really daughnting (sp?) but once you have decided that enough is eough you just have to grit your teeth and take the plunge!

I'll PM you my website as I wouldn't want anyone to think i was shamelessley advertising! There isn't that much stock on there, but enjoy your browsing!!!

Rectdownunder Mon 16-May-11 15:59:23

Thanks Em. re: website and info. I won't be lifting water jugs at all. He is putting large buckets of water in the greenhouse with an old well ladel in it. It holds about 2 cups of water and I will just scoop the water in the plant pots that are in the greenhouse. There is a lawn chair in there too, so I can sit when I get there. I like sitting in the greenhouse, smells so fresh and it is warm, makes me feel good. I believe that I have convinced myself that I will take it really easy for the first month for sure and just ease back into activity slowly. I don't want to end up overdoing it and setting myself back. I have a wedding to photograph on July 23rd. I must be ready for a big day by then, so I just have to take it easy and heal. Talk to you later.

Footle Mon 16-May-11 18:26:53

Here I am ! Just catching up on everything before I reply properly xxx

Rectdownunder Mon 16-May-11 19:26:21

Hi Footle, glad you are out there, was getting worried. Don't worry about us, just yet, but nice of you to brief yourself on the goings on. I have the nervous feeling pretty much every time I think about another three days, but I am dealing with everything the best way I can. I am not obsessed about it though. I have lots to do for now, so can't wait to hear from you soon.


jewellerymum Mon 16-May-11 19:31:20

Yey! Footle x x x

MegGriffin Mon 16-May-11 19:44:57

Hello Footle, glad you're back. xx

Hi Footle glad you're back, hope it all went well and you are ok.

Footle Mon 16-May-11 21:56:49

It went really well. I came home last night.I had a single room - just by luck - and felt calm once I was there. I was first on the list on Wed , surgeon and anaesthetist were reassuring and I walked down to theatre after a shower. The worst time was the first 24 hours after the op. I had a big vaginal pack which caused lots of pressure in my bladder so I didn't even feel the catheter , but it felt like desperately needing a pee for the whole time. But I had morphine and was able to drift through it , knowing it wasn't for long. I had a pad because the vaginal pack is wet with serous ? fluid which leaked. On Thurs morning the nurse started to take the pack out gently, but she stopped and gave me extra morphine as it felt too painful/weird - a long long strip of gauze. She said she couldn't even tell me how near the end we were because the theatre staff just pack in as much as they can and it's different for everyone. After that was over - maybe 4 or 5 minutes going slowly - she left the catheter in so I could lie still for an hour or so , not have to get up to pee, and sleep off the shock. Then she hoicked the catheter out, which hurt for a couple of seconds only.
The surgeon came and explained what he'd done. He excised the damaged tissue from a big episiotomy scar, and was able to stretch undamaged tissue to cover it. He sewed a seam as long as his thumb - a biggish man, I didn't measure his thumb - and anchored the repaired wall with stitches to the "perineal body" which the physio told me is the inside, upper part of the perineum. I have NO stitches on the outside, which must make healing easier.
I don't agree with whoever said she won't eat so she won't have to have a BM. It has to come , and the longer it waits the drier and harder it will be. I ate and drank and also took Movicol twice a day. On Sat morning I felt awful, was desperate to poo but it hurt too much, and I was told not to strain - not that I could bear to. I spent an hour or two walking up and down the corridor not knowing what to do with myself , and in the end I asked a nurse if she could help in any way. She was great , got me to lie down while she put two glycerine suppositories up my bum ( I'd never have been a nurse ) and told me to hang on as long as I could. I managed about 10 minutes and then shuffled to the loo where blissful release occurred. Praise the lord. It has been pretty much OK since.
This is getting awfully long, I'll post it and maybe carry on tomorrow.

Footle Mon 16-May-11 22:19:46

I'm home anyway and pretty comfortable, still taking 1g of paracetamol every 6 hours and 50mg Tramadol if I really need it. Meg I completely agree about not letting the pain break through, it's hard to get on top of it again. BMs are painful but not that bad, and like Jewel said, it feels so different that they come straight down and out. I have that period-pain feeling too,maybe it's just general swollen feeling from being messed about ?
Everyone had mobiles with them. The nurse said they try and stop people disturbing others with them, but in a single room I was fine. Jewel I should have asked for your number so we could have texted ( I haven't got a smartphone yet ), I was thinking about you and Meg. Glad it all went OK and DON"T overdo it. My daughter visited with big baby Joe - it was heavenly to see him , and heavenly not to have to look after him and his siblings. I don't know how you girls manage after these ops.
Rect, it will be OK you know ? I know you're having more done than me but you sound a strong, sensible woman - you'll get through this, it is NOT the end of the world. And stop reading about bad stuff - it's not going to happen to you ! I've describe the worst things that have happened to me : I was given drugs to help , and it was all bearable. I haven't had any codeine : Tramadol is a morphine derivative but it hasn't constipated me. In fact I seem to have verbal diahorrea so I shall stop.
night night.

MrsBonkers Mon 16-May-11 23:17:08

Ladies, you've all been so brave and done so well.
Rect, you will do well too. You have loads of positive vibes coming from us here.
Listening to your recovery stories has made my mind up for me; I'm not going to pursue the surgery route until my dd is older. She's only 10 months and there's no way I could rest the way you're meant to post op'.
Guess I'll have to find other ways of coping for a while.
I do find it heartening to know there is a solution out there though.x.

Rectdownunder Tue 17-May-11 06:14:08

Footle, sounds like things are going well, was concerned about what might have happened. So is it routine to stay in hospital as long as you had. I don't think here in Canada they let you stay in very long, which is fine by me as I feel more comfortable at home.
I spent the entire day cleaning, planting garden, organizing, hanging pictures and doing all those things I have procrastinated for so long. I feel great now for having done all that. I have a whole new list for tomorrow and Wednesday.
I am also trying to prepare my bowels for post-op, so I have been eating extra fiber and drinking extra water. I thought it might help for the first bowel movement.
I take tramadol when my fibromyalgia and arthritis are acting up. It is a pretty good drug and is less constipating, I will try to manage without them, but I know me, if it really hurts I'm begging for drugs.
A couple of questions for anyone, did they shave any of the area down there? How long after surgery did the first BM come?
MrsBonkers, sorry that you will have to put off surgery until later, but caring for your child is important. Perhaps we can advise you in some way on dealing with the difficulties until then. I have had my rectocele and cystocele for over 6 years now. I found ways to manage, but now I am definitely tired of it.

That's all for now, take care all.

MegGriffin Tue 17-May-11 09:22:37

Hello all hope you are ok this morning?
Can I start with a post op question please. It's a bit TMI i'm afraid.. My blood loss I have at them moment smells a bit funny but i'm not sure if it is meant to smell a bit or if i have an infection. Could anyone post op help me with this please?
Also I have been told I will need 6 - 8 weeks off work but the hospital only sighed me off for 2. Does anyone know if I have to see the doctor to get more sick notes or if can ring the surgery and not have an appointment. It all seems a bit of a waste of time when the consulltant tells me I need x amount off but then only signs me off for 2 weeks. I will ring and ask but just wondered what other peoples experience are. Also it seems i'm not going to get a follow up with the consultant according to the paper work??
MrsBonkers, 10 month olds are hard work and I understand why you would want to wait until they are a bit older. You can always change your mind at any time as well.
Footle so good to hear you are ok and home. Isn't it lovely to be in your own bed, with your own toilet etc..

Footle Tue 17-May-11 12:04:45

am leaning on my side so no capital letters etc today. rect, they don't shave in my hospital, don't think it's done any more. they count recovery days from the day after surgery as day 1. my first bm was on day 3 , and they said they would have started worrying if it had been any later. i also had lots of fibre and fluids beforehand, i'm sure it has for my long stay , i really don't know. i could have left on day 4 but wasn't feeling great and was glad to stay another day, felt safer.
meg, when i asked about how to spot infection, they said to be aware of a different smell as it's a sign.for that and for the question about sick notes, i think you should phone the ward. they'll probably tell you to phone the gp but do it anyway.
mrs b , good decision - just too much at this stage of your baby's life.

Footle Tue 17-May-11 12:05:53

and yes, it's lovely to be home exclamation mark

jewellerymum Tue 17-May-11 12:06:19

LOts of questions to answer........

Footle - SO lovely to hear from you and that you home and healing. Glad you didn't find it too bad! I had a dizzy day yesterday and felt very light headed. Not sure why. Perhaps I was tired, but feel better again today!

Rect - My first BM was about 30 hours post-op. I have what I call is an 'excitable bowel!!' - It doesnt take much to make it go! I spent most of the pre-op morning going and going and going - my reaction to stress so I guess there wasn't much in my body by the time I had my op! The first one WAS unpleasant...Very very hard (even though tI had drank 2 litres of water in hospital!) and i had to go up and down stairs a few times before I could bring myself to do it but (TMI) it was right there and I just had to go!!!
The next day I had lactulose which made my stomach gurgle ALL day which wasnt great (but not that bad) and I went A LOT! about 5 times! So now I am off the lactulose and will keep my eye on what my body does by itself. If I dont go for a day (im very regular!!!) I will take some more but it seems to give me lots of wind and be very loose (Sorry TMI AGAIN!!!) and its awful when you are sat there wondering if you have to 'trump' or if you are going to have an accident! - You cant go up stairs to the loo every time you think you have wind!!!!

Meg - hey sweets, sorry to hear you're worried. At the mo I have very little bleeding and it is a creamy pink colour. There isn't really a smell at all. And I only notice a small amount of watery blood when I strain. I dont need to change pads or anything - it's nothing like that. I can only suggest a trip to the GP because the worry will make you ill!
I was also told by surgeon that I wouldn't have a follow up :-( SO I have decided that I will visit my GP at 6 weeks. There is a lovely female GP who I saw with this originally (amd later piles) so she is knowledgable of my lady bits! SO I will go and see her for her to have a look (you nver know she may appreciate seeing the before and after!!! LOL)
Go and see the GP Meg. The surgeon told me if I had an infection I would feel ILL. But if you can get there I would go
Right ladies - I need to have a shower, I have girly friends coming over for lunch (my lovey hubbie is going out to buy us some baguettes!)

Footle Tue 17-May-11 12:25:24

hi jewel, hope it was a lovely lunch and you could forget all about the seamy side of life..
re post op check ups, we don't get them here either. it's reckoned to be a waste of money and time, on the grounds that if you a problem you'll go to your doctor, and if you don't, why bother with a check up question mark. it makes sense to me. except that the consultant doesn't get to see happy post op patients, which is a shame , and i think it would be good for them to have feedback.

Footle Tue 17-May-11 12:34:30

Rect, ( ooh look, capitals, I'm kind of slouching up in bed ) I can't remember where you live, is it BC ? I like to think of you in your greenhouse with your well-ladle .. What can you see from there ? Is it a nice view ?

Meg, re the smell I have been told that is a sign of infection so suggest you get to gp just in case.

re sick notes, I was signed off for 6 weeks, then rang gp who gave me another 2 weeks over the phone!! So suggest you ring surgery at 1.5 weeks, as you only have a 2 week sick note, and say you want to ask to be signed off because xxxx (whatever is the most compelling reason that they are unlikely to argue with) and ask if you need to come in for an appt for that. If you explain you are not able to drive at the moment then they are likely to say you dont need to come in, cos I doubt they would want to come out to you!!

Mrs Bonkers I waited to DD was 5, for just that reason, I couldn't have not lifted the kids if they were younger, but at 5 and 8 they are no bother.

Footle Tue 17-May-11 16:52:19

Missing, it seems a while since you gave us an update on how you are (unless I've missed noticing it ). Are you feeling back to better than normal and glad you had it done ?

jewellerymum Tue 17-May-11 20:35:10

Anyone any idea on how long the stitches take to disolve?!

Footle Tue 17-May-11 21:26:26

Yours itching too ? From the instructions I have , it looks as if the internal stitches may take up to 6 weeks to dissolve and "The occasional stitch that has done its work and dissolved may 'fall out' into the toilet or your underwear ; don't be alarmed " which is quite sweet isn't it ? Of course we know that from other people reporting sightings of spiders in the loo..

jewellerymum Wed 18-May-11 00:25:34

Gosh Footle. You have been given so much info compared to me!

Ok. We fixed your rectocele. It wasn't small it wasn't big. We don't need to see you again. Any problems go to your gp.

That was it! Nothing else at all. Oh sorry, don't lift anything!

Rect - when are in you in and exactly what for? Sorry for not remembering completely!

jackie62 Wed 18-May-11 01:38:57

Hello, I've found the new site at last! Not technical at all so this is a miracle!
I've got my appt for the gyny dept on 1st July, that's been a long wait. I am on a night shift the night before so I have said I will have to leave early and they are making a right fuss about it! No way am I working until 7am and going to the hospital at 9am. Anyway fingers crossed that the new gyny lady is the right one and has a solution?!!
Thanks for sorting out the new thread! X

Rectdownunder Wed 18-May-11 06:52:17

Footle, I live in rural Alberta, not as nice and warm as BC, but pretty good. I have a greenhouse in the middle of our yard on 10 acres. There is a beautiful cove of tall waving grass and trees on either side and a pond a few yards from there. The two vegetable gardens are situated on either side of the greenhouse. I love it out there! My husband built it for me last year, he's so nice! We actually built the our house together and we landscaped the yard to what it is now. It is a dream place really, just could have less mosquitoes and it would be perfect.

So i am going in on Thursday for a TVT and rectocele repair. I am frustrated right now because i got my period yesterday. With my period i get constipated and nothing seems to help it move. I usually just deal with it. I am worried that if I don't go before Thursday morning, I fear having a horrible BM post op. I decided to take some sennacot, I took some yesterday and took maximum dosage so far today 8 tablets and nothing will move. I am out in the garden planting and staying active, but my bowels are stubborn. I hope they move tomorrow. My period sure didn't help coming at this time, it is early, I wasn't expecting it until the 22nd at the earliest.

I haven't got long to wait now, getting anxious to get it over with and on the road to recovery.

Glad you are all still doing well smile
Take care wink

Rectdownunder Wed 18-May-11 06:56:25

Oh Em, nice jewellery. I especially love the silver rings. I wear silver all the time and actually have about 8 various types of silver rings. I wish I could wear them all the time, but I only have so many fingers. Keep up the good work. Make lots of new creations while you're recovering,

Keep up the healing work also.

good night!

MegGriffin Wed 18-May-11 09:02:47

Morning all!
jackie, the time wil fly by I expect. I hope your lady gynae can help you, i'm sure she can!
Rect, your garden sounds amazing! What are you growing at the moment? I have a small veg patch which has potatos,strawerries,tomatoes and cucumbers in at the moment. Im not very green fingered so grow things that you can plant then leave, except for water.
jewel, I got nothing on discharge. Everything I know about this, I have read on here. They came to see me and said any questions and all I could think of was can I bath which they said I could.

Morning ladies. Rect - 10 acres!!! omg how fantastic

Stitches, the two on my tummy for the TVT disappeared after 2 weeks. The posterier repair ones on the outside waited about 6 weeks, and on the 6 week check the doc said I still had some up the wazoo so the internal ones can take AGES...every one is different. You won't really notice them dropping out unless they happen to be on the loo paper or I had one land on the toilet seat and made me think it was a spider!! When I had my period I noticed more bits of stitch coming out so maybe that helps flush out bits of stitch that are lurking inside.

Footle, you are right I haven't put updates on here cos I have been fed up and didn't want to be negative while the ladies are getting ready for surgeries etc. I noticed that a lot of people having it all done before me were fine by 3 weeks. I am nearly 8 weeks and get pains whenever I do stuff, so I am currently full of fearful "OMG it's all gone horribly wrong!!!" thoughts, which I am trying to keep at bay. Being off work for 8 weeks probably isn't helping, I am an accountant and normally spend my days with my head full of spreadsheets and numbers, having my brain free floating for 8 weeks is probably part of what's getting me down. I had my whole pelvic floor put back together, I think this is why I get pains, and the doc at the 6 week check was very pleased with it all, and said it will probably be another 6 weeks before I feel ok. I don't want others to think that their recovery will take this long, it really shouldn't. I was supposed to be in theatre 1 hour, in the end it was 2.5 hours, cos of the extra damage they found inside. The TVT is still not comfy, well just down one side. I overdid it sunday am then had pains from sunday noon till tuesday, now I am scared to do anything. Also I am absolutely knackered. I don't sleep properly anyway, and I wake up a lot worried I am sleeping on the wrong position (no idea what the right position is tho) cos the TVT scares the pants off me, and I don't want to damage it, or stop it settling in.

I wonder if some of this is cos of fibromyalgia but I did ask about that pre surgery and he didnt think that would impact anything, just maybe leave me feeling very tired for longer than someone that doesn't have it.

Sorry this is so long, whinge whinge, moan moan. I think I am just fed up, lack of exercise, not able to get anything done round the house, and scared of going back to work next week. Plus my job has been offshored so I have to find a new job within the company, or I will be out on my ear. boo hiss. This is why I haven't posted, I don't want to bring anyone down...

Footle Wed 18-May-11 10:39:27

My consultant gave me a web page - hang on while I find it

Footle Wed 18-May-11 10:46:18

If I'd had any idea other people didn't have this, I'd have pointed you to it weeks ago - sorry !
womens' health
patient info
Recovering Well
pelvic floor ops

i mean, go to the first one, then follow the next ones to download the leaflet. He said some of the recovery times are a bit optimistic for some people ( for instance, he told me no sex for 8 to 12 weeks because of the particular procedure he did ) but it's a great leaflet. I might try and post a direct link if this doesn't work for people. What the hell is the point of these things if the doctors don't tell you where to look for the info ?
I have other leaflets too, such as the one I quoted above - the hospital gave me that as I left.
Hope this will help someone. I'm sure it will, in fact.

jewellerymum Wed 18-May-11 11:20:20

Al I seem to be able to find is the Roman Catholic Users Group!!! WIll they help me?!?!?! LOL

P.S. - I can't poo!
That is all

Footle Wed 18-May-11 11:30:21

Do a search for "recovering well pelvic floor" and you should find it. It's worth a read.
RC Users of what , I wonder ?
Going by the heavenly help I had in hospital, I'd say your best bet for poo assistance is to ask someone to buy you some glycerine suppositories from the chemist , and insert one yourself even if it feels as if nothing can fit in there. You moisten the end of the suppository first. Then hang on for 20 mins if you can, and it will have softened it so it should come - I was told not to strain.
Good luck.

jewellerymum Wed 18-May-11 12:22:39

Footle - that's a great leaflet - really informative!

Footle Wed 18-May-11 12:25:34

Rect , your place sounds wonderful. You must have great energy to have built it all up and to keep it all flourishing. Do you still have children at home ? We'll be thinking of you tomorrow and waiting to hear. Surely all that Sennokot must work before you go , it's a big dose. As well as Movicol ( think it's what you call GoLightly ?) I use milled/ground flaxseed which I sprinkle on yogurt and fruit or soup or veg , twice a day. It helps a lot and doesn't affect my blood sugar.

Missing, sorry you're having a grim time with work worries as well as the effects of such a big op. Is there any accountancy-type work you can be starting on before you officially go back ? You might feel more normal if you can focus on it for a bit each day. I'm pleased I took those homoeopathic remedies - I'm pretty convinced that the Arnica helped me , though I don't know how I'd have been without it. Fibromyalgia would make anything worse according to my friend who had it.
Do you ever have reflexology or other massage ? This would be a great moment to get someone round to give you a gentle treatment, preferably in the evening - it will be soothing and help you sleep. I'm going to do that next week , it always makes me feel better.
Is the TVT tape more comfortable than it was at first ? If so, that must be a good sign. And the doctor being pleased must be another good sign. You're allowed to whinge and it may help you and the rest of us - we're all recovering at our own pace .

Jackie, are you a nurse ? If so it's really bad that they're giving you a hard time about looking after your own health. Hope you get sorted.

Rectdownunder Wed 18-May-11 19:46:06

Missing, I feel so bad for you. Do post how you are doing and feeling. It might help you to be able to express your frustration, it is nice of you to consider the feelings of us whose surgeries are coming up, but I want to hear the good and bad, reallysmile

Meg, you sound like you have a nice variety of stuff growing. About my home and garden, rural Alberta is vast, not really many people here compared with other parts of the world and other provinces in Canada. I love to grow the typical veggies, tomatoes, corn, beets, onions, peas, beans, potatoes, etc. We have raspberries and strawberries every year and a variety of fresh herbs. Summer here is short and this is our winter stock up of food. A lot of the rural people have gardens. Mine is quite average I would think. I do a lot of home canning and have a cold storage for some veggies. I do have kids still at home a 12 year old daughter, my 16 year old son lives with my ex-husband his dad and my 18 year old daughter just graduated and is moving out in June. My other 3 live on their own.

Update on the BMs, well the sennacot finally worked. I know what you mean with the movicol. I had to use that for a colonoscopy prep. You are drink two doses of the stuff. The first time I took it, it took 10 hours to work, which is so unusual as for most people they are going after 20 mins. That is how I discovered that I had a big problem down there. All the stool was there at the rectal area, just couldn't get out. That is when I started using a manual as you call it splinting method to get the stools out. My bowels work better than they used to, but I really want them to work from now on, so I don't injure any of the repair in the long term. Well I should let someone else have a turn here, so for being so long.

Flowers40 Wed 18-May-11 20:54:02

Hi all, glad to hear you are all doing ok

I am fine, 3 weeks post op for me yesterday, not too much pain anymore and everything seems ok tho I do smell a bit 'off' so going GP in the morning.

I have only gone and booked a weeks hols in gran canaria, all inclusive so wont be doing anything hopefully except soaking up the sun, my daughters are coming too, hope I will be well enough by then to travel (7 weeks).. What do you all think (tho its too late anyway cos its booked now lol).

Anyway good to have something to look forward to, it has made me want to be 'good' more so that I am fit enough, even tho I am a bit scared re finances and will have to step up my job search so I get something for july/august, post op check is 11th july.

Quick question for those who have had infections, are there other symptoms beside a bad smell as I do feel ok in myself..

Hope you are all well and recovering nicely xx

MegGriffin Wed 18-May-11 21:21:20

Hi flowers. I will be interested to hear about how you get on as I have a bit of a smell as well but i'm not sure if it's normal. I am 9 days post op anterior repair and still bleeding although not heavy. I don't have a temperature or feel unwell. I do have a sore tummy on and off and a heavy feeling but I assume thats post op bruising/discomfort.
The holiday sounds fab, what a good idea.

Rectdownunder Thu 19-May-11 05:28:26

For those of you with off scent to put it mildly, I would think that it is caused by infection. If you let it go, then you might have other symptoms such as fever and more discomfort. I would get it looked at right away.

Well ladies this will be my last post until I get home. I am going in tomorrow morning. I don't pay for internet access on my cell phone, so I will have to wait till I get home before I let you know how it went. Thanks for all your support and I will talk to you soon.

Everyone take care,

Good luck Rect, thinking of you xx

Footle, yes I am doing some bits that are like my "normal" work, doing a friends accounts and spending a lot of time sending DH's CV out left right and centre (he gets out the army this summer after 22 years (erk!!)

I like hte idea of reflexology, I hadn't thought of that.. anything to reduce anxiety (I am a bit of a nut that way) is a great idea, I don't know why I didn't think of it (dur)

Yes the TVT is much more comfortable now than it was. It was achy all over, now its just down one side, and much less often so yes, it's improving it's just so bloody slow!

We have booked a cruise in August, we don't normally go on holiday at all, far too stingy, but this is to celebrate DH getting out of the Army - I am really looking forward to 2 weeks of lazing around. I think having a holiday to look forward to is a great idea for all recovering ladies ;)

jewellerymum Thu 19-May-11 09:34:06

Thinking of you Rect. You can do it!
See you on the other side
x x x x

MegGriffin Thu 19-May-11 10:22:25

Good luck Rect, will be thinking of you xxx

Flowers40 Thu 19-May-11 12:31:11

Good luck Rect! May the force be with you! (all our best wishes that is).. may all go to plan - and do accept all drugs offered!

Meg it went 'ok' at the docs (eezaman tho) , he said an infection unlikely after first 3 days, to which I replied that I had being going on womens forum and they report infections sometimes after weeks - so he sniggered a bit and then said its ok, he understands and then repeated that infection unlikely after 3 days..

I do have to go back 2moro and see the nurse for a swab just to check tho so all is good smile AND he agreed I can have longer on the sicknote when it runs out, even tho I havent got a job it will help my ESA keep paying out till after my post op check so thats a relief

Right gotta get on with jobhunting (sat on a cushion lol)

Love and light ladies! xx

Footle Thu 19-May-11 21:04:08

You get a post-op check ?

Flowers40 Fri 20-May-11 12:20:23

Hi Footle

Yes, aren't you?

Footle Fri 20-May-11 13:17:44

Nope. Round here they don't do them : the reasoning is that if you have problems you'll go to the GP and if you don't, the check up is a waste of everyone's time - and of course time is money. When I asked the consultant what the success rate is, he said "we don't do post op check ups so I don't really know, but I don't get many women coming back with problems". Hmph.

jewellerymum Fri 20-May-11 13:33:46

I have already decided to go and see my lovely lady GP at 6 weeks to get her to check!!!

How are you all doing?
I Made a little jewellery yesterday, had a short walk and was fine, although I did put my PJs back on at 5.30pm and have a lie on the sofa!
Feel a lot more normal the last day or two which I am happy with only 7 days post op. Still taking it very easy as I am aware that there is a tightness down there and a light 'ache' almost like I can feel that I am swollen inside.
Still havent sorted my bowels (but TBH they have always been unpredictable) I am taking lactulose (15ml) once a day which causes a lot of wind and gurgling but I think it is helping me go!
So all in all I am happy! - TBH I forget that I have a vag(sorry I wish there was a better word) full of stitches!!!
Hope you are all doing ok and taking it easy and recovering. If you havent read the leaflet that Footle linked to on the previous page, you should. It is reallu useful. It shows what you can try and do at what stage like pelvic floor excercises, walking, driving etc. Obvioulsy we are all different but things like getting up, washed and dressed every morning from day 2 or 3 so that you can feel good about yourself really is true!
Love to all

Footle Fri 20-May-11 15:11:03

Glad you found it useful, Jewel . As you say, it gives you some sort of framework for trying to move the recovery on.
Having said that, I'm feeling totally knackered today and I'm going to go back to bed for a while.

jewellerymum Sat 21-May-11 22:14:13

Meg, Footle, Are you still bleeding after BMs?

Rectdownunder Sat 21-May-11 23:53:48

Hi Ladies I'm back. smile Things went better than expected. I tell you a spinal block is the answer for this kind of surgery. I was awake for half of the procedure that I remember. It was really neat being aware of what was happening. When I got back to my room, I felt great!!! The spinal block pain relief lasts for about 24 hours, slowly wears off, so I went for half hour walk 6 hours after my surgery. I ended up having the posterior repair, the TVT and an anterior repair as well. So should be all fixed up. He said that there was unexpected damage off to one side of the posterior end, that took some extra stitching. I have been up and around quite a bit, but do tire easily, if I walk too much, then it is difficult to wee, from swelling that builds up I think? So I must remember to take it easy. I have not had a BM yet, very worried about that, I have taken all the stool softeners etc, but nothing yet. Doc gave me some suppositories to try if I don't go in a day or too. I had 4 doses of antibiotics in IV and was sent home with script for one weeks worth. Doc is very concerned about infection developing and he also said no bathing and no driving for 2-3 weeks. I am to see him for check up in two weeks. I also have low hemoglobin which is bad as i must take iron now which is constipating. Blood pressure is low 80/50 so I have to be careful ot to pass out somewhere. I feel remarkably well, but hubby is insisting I really take it easy. Doc told me not such long walks, only 5-10minute3s at a time and then sit down. Hospital was awesome, nurses were incredible. Two of the nurses were girls that my daughter went to school with and they are 4th year students, I knew them since they were toddlers adn there they were taking care of me.

Hope you are all still doing well and thank you so much for all the support. I will post again later,
Bye for now.

jewellerymum Sun 22-May-11 01:13:10

Yey!!!! So pleased it has all gone well. What a relief! Take it easy lady! Do not do much. It is so easy to feel well and then go and bugger it all up!
Will post more tomorrow as it is 1.15am here but just had to say a quick whoop whoop!
Rest rest rest
X x x x

Rectdownunder Sun 22-May-11 06:32:21

Thanks Jewel I will heed your advice regarding rest. Tonight my bowels were uncomfortable, so I took a suppository to get them moving and with great success, I had my first BM, Yipeeee!!! It was very loose and I would like to keep it that way.

I sure am tired though, my husband was playing cards with me in the hosp. and in the middle of playing, I was fast asleep. It is like I developed Narcolepsy from this. Lol..... I can't sit and concentrate on anything for more than 10 mins. and I am out like a light. I was taking percocet and ibruprofen in hosp. for pain and now at home ibruprofen and tramadol. Feeling rather comfortable really, not pain free, but good.

Hubby is taking excellent care of me, making awesome meals and helping me get around up and down the stairs, which are exhausting to climb BTW. I feel like a new woman already just knowing the bowel comes straight down now. I looked at the area to see how it is and there is some swelling and bruising on the perineum. I have two inscisions on each side of my groin from the TVT and the vagina is swollen, but no bulging top or bottom. I cuold just cry with relief about this, so far so good and so glad I did it!!wine celebrate! Well I have dozed off twice now writing this, so I must sign off. Talk again later. Meg, Footle and Jewel, how are you all getting along now, just a week post-op? Thanks for listening everyone!

Hoorya Rect,so glad you are out the other side and all looking good. Don't underestimate the fatigue and take it EASY, then you will get better quicker.

Re the TVT I have one stitch almost central and the right hand one is far right, so maybe I wasn't quite straight when they did it, sounds like yours are nice and symetrical. I have aches on the right side only so I think perhaps mine is too right side placed, if that makes sense.

I know now that things are getting better every day, it's just a slow old process, and at 7 weeks it seemed like I had plataued (sp?) and nothing was changing.

Back to work tomorrow, can't imagine it. I am lucky I have a sit on my arse kind of job, instead of teacher, nurse etc, erk that would be real work!

Love and light ladies, take it easy, you're still early days xx

Footle Sun 22-May-11 13:35:46

Rect, how good to see you back ! Have been thinking about you lots.

Jewel, not usually bleeding with BMs, just a couple of times, and making damn sure I have a BM each day. Oh, back later xxx

MegGriffin Sun 22-May-11 14:03:30

Welcome home Rect! So glad it went well Now take it easy!

jewel, I am still bleeding since the op so it's hard to tell if going to the toilet is agrivating it. I usually use tampons so i'm unfamiliar with the amount of blood coming out. I am due my period (I may well have it now confused) but it's hard to tell as I have had bleeding since the op. I am seeing the GP on wednesday so it will be quite reassuring to talk to her. I have had drops of blood in the toilet sometimes which I assume are coming from the wound ? It's so confusing confused

Footle Sun 22-May-11 16:25:29

Meg, I'm also confused because my periods finished 7 years ago so I'm not used to 'losing' anything , but I have a slightly bloody and quite smelly discharge which gets heavier the more I move around. I phoned the hospital ward because they'd said ring if any questions, and said I wasn't worried but I would like to know what the discharge is. The nurse said briskly "it's just what your body is getting rid of after the op " - hm, thanks.

My worst problem at the mo is a new sharp pain that seems to be near the entrance of my vagina, almost in one of the labia, making it much less comfortable to sit or to change position than it was for the first week. I can't see anything there apart from swelling, and I hope it's just part of the healing and will get better soon. Rect I totally agree with you about the relief of knowing the bowel goes straight down and not all round the houses...

Missing, you do sound as if you're feeling better - hope work is more fun than you're expecting,and you can rest when you get home. We just had a weekend of family, including 4 week old baby with a very loud and piercing cry which he uses most of the time when he's not on the breast. I'm horizontal and completely knackered now !

Rectdownunder Sun 22-May-11 16:40:51

Oh Missing, back to work, I feel for you, maybe because I don't know how I will feel in 7 weeks. When did it stop hurting when you sit? I can't imagine sitting at a desk right now. I try sitting and I am straining my back sitting in awkward positions off to the side and all crooked. I think lying down is best right now. Good luck at work tomorrow. Take it easy still when you are there and at home, I think healing goes on a lot longer than we think.

Footle, are you able to keep BMs regular and how? I sure want to.

I am taking it easy still even when I feel like I could run a marathon which does happen for about 5 mins. each day, it dwindles quickly though.

I lasted all night without pain relief, but paying for it today. The doctor said to take the pain relief every 4-6 hours no matter what for the first week as it will help me feel like walking and getting around. I got up in the night to go wee and should have taken them then, but thought I would be good. I have to play catch up on pain relief now. I decided to put an ice pack in the area and that has brought me a lot of relief to the ache. I have learned my lesson now about how my body fools me into thinking I am good when I'm not.

Another interesting thing to report is how full my bladder can get now. I can wee for a long time and am very surprised how much it holds now. I guess it always held that much, just didn't empty before. I don't know if the leaking issue is resolved and likely won't know that until i am jumping around, so I'll give it a month or so.

Take care ladies.


MegGriffin Sun 22-May-11 17:13:03

footle, I have sudden sharp pains at the entrance that make me say 'ouch' out loud. I also have a heavy pain around the labia/clitoris area, particularly when I sit on the toilet. I think it is bruised internally. I know that not all of you have had the anterior repair but i find my flow quite slow and I am still going to the toilet quite a lot and getting up around two times a night as well. I really hope that will improve as that was one of my complaints before the op, frequent urination.

Hello ladies, hope you are all feeling ok.

Footle - I can't comment on the bleeding as I don't think I had that much, but was warned by other earlier op ladies that there can be a discharge that is all the grot after the op (bits of skin and so on) making it's way out. Perhaps that is what you have?

Re the pain oh yes, the stabbing pain, its part of the healing I think. Rect I couldn't sit properly for a while (maybe 2 weeks?), either lying down or reclining is really the only way to go. It's having all the ops at once, if you just had the TVT you could sit one way, and if you just had the posterier repair, you could sit another way, and with the anterior repair as well, that must add a new set of discomforts to work around. For me its the nights that are the most tricky as I cannot get comfy whatever I do, but I am a rubbish sleeper anyway.

The constant pain fades down to occasional pain, which is where I am now, ie I overdo it then I get the odd stabbing pain, either TVT line or down below, which makes me realise I need to sit down for 15 minutes and calm it down.

I don't envy you the weekend with a newborn in the house, Footle, make sure you rest, you must be exhausted.

Meg, don't worry until the swelling has gone down, that was what I was told. Did you have TVT as well, sorry I cannot remember.

For all of you, if you have the courage, grab your mirror cos the bruising is SPECTACULAR.

Now all of you go to bed early and get your rest xx

Footle Sun 22-May-11 17:57:13

I'm reassured to hear that some of you have had these stabbing pains. I've had a lot of trouble with nerve damage after a foot operation and this feels similar, take-your-breathe-away sudden pain , and I'm scared that it could be here to stay - but that's silly, it's early days yet, and it sounds as if yours is receding, Missing. I suppose they use a speculum-type thing to hold the labia open for the op and maybe this is the recovery from that ?
Anyone been brave enough to look at the youTube clip of the surgery ?

that's exactly the type of pain that I had, its a take your breath away ouch

there is no way I am looking at the you tube clip, I dont think I would ever recover!!

Footle Sun 22-May-11 19:57:34

Rect, I'm doing what I did before to make sure I have a BM every day. I take Movicol night and morning - it's amazing what you can get used to if you know it's doing you good - and I sprinkle milled flaxseed /linseed on my food twice a day, usually on yogurt with blueberries which is a good low-carb treat (I'm type2 diabetic and control it with a lowish carb diet ). I eat a lot of salads and veg every day, eg just now I had fish with a big helping of shredded cabbage stir fried with mushrooms and onion. I drink a lot of water and herb tea, as well as a couple of cups of good coffee a day. Fruit would work , oranges, prunes etc, but I have to watch the sugars in them.
Hopefully without rectoceles we'll be in better working order, but I'm taking no chances.

Rectdownunder Sun 22-May-11 22:53:50

Sounds like you ladies are getting along pretty good with the exception of having some stabbing pains. I still ache and lay around, so I don't have that developing yet. I walk around for 10 minute walks and then lie down again. My legs ache like crazy especially in the groin area.
I watched the youtube video of the rectocele repair and also found the one on the monarch sling procedure and anterior repair. I watched them all before I went in.

When I was awake during surgery, I could feel the doctor doing things down there and my lower body was being moved and shaken when he was putting the packing in. Part of me wanted to watch the op, but there was a curtain between me and the dr. up above my stomach. It was really interestng to be awake and relaxed through it all. The coolest part was when I couldn't feel my lower body, but could still move my legs and all that. When they took the packing and catheter out it didn't hurt much as I think I still had residual effects of the spinal block left. If anyone out there is going in for future reference, ask about a spinal block, it is amazing. If you choose, you can be completely sedated and won't remember a thing just like being under general. You feel so great after surgery, no pain, wide awake and no nausea or other side affects you might get from gemeral. Also, I didn't even feel the needle going into my back at all. My room mate in hospital was scared to have the spinal and ended up in so much pain when she woke up and was vomitting for two days. I felt so bad for her. She had a hysterectomy.
Well just wanted to share that with you all as it was such a pleasant experience for me and I would wish that for everyone.

I think its definitely worth considering. I have been told the reason that I feel so rough (tired and so on) is cos the surgery was 2.5 hours, and that long under a general will whack your system for a long time. A spinal wasn't something anyone mentioned as an option but it might be something they consider if you ask for it.

Rectdownunder Mon 23-May-11 10:03:41

The spinal is an option for anyone having surgery below the umbilibcus. In fact, they use the spinal more often than general when doing replacement surgeries, like hip, knee, etc. It is less dangerous and especially better for the elderly. I was given a choice, as the anethesatist (sp) told me i was healthy enough to have either, but encouraged to have the spinal for pain control reasons.

MoKeisha Mon 23-May-11 18:18:52

Hi Lady's

My name is Keisha and i am 30 ... 2 days after i turn 31 i am scheduled to have an A/P Repair.... The Dr. told me that i would be off of work for a minimum of 6 weeks and will be staying in the hospital for 2 - 3 days after surgery.... but that is about it as for the info that i have..... so my question is when all is said and done will the bulge in my Vagina be gone?

for the lady's that have been post....... Does Sex feel the same or better .... I have lost some of the feeling in my vagina over the last 18 months....

Footle Mon 23-May-11 19:13:45

Hi Keisha , if you google "recovering well pelvic floor" you'll find a booklet that my consultant suggested I read - there's lots of info there. I'm not sure about A/P - does it mean Anterior and Posterior repair ? If so, I think the answer is that yes, the bulge/s should be gone, and if you don't overdo things as you recover from the op, it should stay that way. My op (posterior repair ) was 12 days ago so I can't tell you how sex will feel, but I can tell you that cuddling with my OH feels as good as ever , so it's looking good . But I didn't have any serious loss of feeling before.
The trouble with a forum like this is that not many people come back say a few months or a year later, to report on how they're feeling long-term.
Hope this helps. When is your op ?

jewellerymum Mon 23-May-11 22:44:48

Sorry haven't posted for a little while - I gave PMT and am grumpy!!!
Welcome to the forum Keisha.
The plan for all the ops is to get rid of any bulges, so as long as you take care after, no lifting etc afterwards
All in all I think the ladies (including me), who have had the op recently are surprised at how well we feel afterwards. We have all been up and about the day after (although very tentatively) and find that we can potter for 5 minutes or so for the first few days and then have to return to the sofa!!
I am now 11 days post op and am almost back to normal!
When I say normal, I am still spending a lot of time sat down but I have cooked dinner a couple of times and taken short walks to friends houses, done some tidying up etc. But I have not and will not lift anything or hoover for another few weeks as it is easy to think you feel well and then you could go and pop your stitches!!!
Everyones experience is different and I 'only' had a posterior repair.
My op was to cut through the skin in the wall between my vagina and bowel (going in through the vagina) and then stitching it tight, to put back the tightness that had gone due to the bulge. So now I have a row of stitches in my vagina from just inside, all the way up to my cervix, about 6 inches I guess. I'm sorry, we are very good at giving to much information (TMI) on here and saying it like it is! I hope you aren't easily offended!!
I was in for 24 hours. A one hour op. Within 10 minutes of waking up I was on the phone and facebook telling everyone how I was!!
The first day I felt great (I was lying in a hospital bed doing nothing!)
he second day I had to walk to the car and an hour car journey home.
I then spent the next 24 hours off my feet as I ached a lot (like period pain) and took paracetamol and ibruprofen and used a hot bag on the small of my back and on my tummy.
Day three I was quite tired but had visitors so was up and a bout a bit more.
Day 5 I had a dizzy day where my head didn't seem to be following the rest of my bosy but I was also ovulating so it could be due to that.
From then to now I have slowly built up how much I do and plan to walk my children home tomorrow after school (about half a mile) to see how that goes.
I stopped taking pain meds after about day 6 and now I occasionally get a twinge or an ache, depending on how much I do.
In my head I thought I would be lying in bed for a week drifting in and out of sleep and not be able to walk around for 2 or 3 weeks but I haven't found it like that at all!!!
I also can't feel that I have stitches inside, just a dull ache sometimes
Lastly and probably on most of us post op ladies is bowel movements, fondly referred to as BMs - They will become the focus of your thoughts post-op!
You have to do everything that you can to keep yourself regular and soft (sorry TMI again!!) My second night I had so much trouble going - I knew it was there but you are terrified of going as it has to push past the other side of the wall where the stitches are. And because of lack of food during the op and lack of movement it can become very shall we say, hard!!!
I am taking lactulose every day, 3 tsps in the morning. The only problem with this is that is makes you VERY windy and makes your stomach gurgle something chronic!!! I forgot this morning and took it only 3 hours ago, after dinner and boy have I got a tummy ache now! I know I have to keep taking it otherwise I will have BIG problems with not going!!!
Lastly, returning to work. I work at home, on my bum, making jewellery and have actually already made some post op jewellery but it was only for short periods of time. Depending on your job I would think you would need 3-4 weeks off, but again, everyone is different! It depends on what you are doing and how physical it is - you certainly wouldn't want to be nursing for example for 6 weeks. I would also suggest returning part-time to ease yourself in!
OK - I have written WAY too much so I will wrap it up (Hello by the way, I'm Emily, the talkative member of the group and I am 33 and live in the south of England!!!)

Footle Mon 23-May-11 22:55:30

Emily, sounds like you're recovering faster than me but not that much, and I'm 30 years older than you so not disappointed in my progress. I had a strange drifty sort of day today but am definitely coming back to life !

Rectdownunder Mon 23-May-11 23:16:56

ewel forgive me for being naive, but what does PMT stand for? Sounds like you are really doing well, same with you footle. Welcome Keisha you will likely find this forum really helpful to put your mind at ease.

I am recovering very well also. I am 45 and had 6 children and ended up having a cystocele and rectocele repair as well as a TVT. I am 4 days post op. I seem to be getting along fine without too much pain meds. I also walk pretty well, but do get tired easily. I am already forgetting abou tlifting things as I tried to carry a chair across the kitchen and my daughter quickly took it from me and then I recalled how I am not supposed to do those things just yet. My biggest problem right now is low blood pressure causing some dizziness and my bowels. I had a bowel movement 2 days post -op and it was very loose nad not very much in amount, so I was expecting to have more the next day. So far, nothing will help. I am taking so much fiber inj everything I eat plus a fiber supplement. I am also drinking water all day long. I take a stool softener 3X/day and a senna type laxitive to get the bowels moving, but I am not sure what will make it go. I have used glycerine suppositories 4 times and nothing. I thiink at this piont dynamite might be the only option. The dr. gave me a couple suppositories that are made to make you go. I am scared of them because he said they are pretty hard on yoru system. He also said if I dont have a bowel movement within 4 days I might need to go to the Emergency and see a dr. Oh help!sadshock and confused!!! Bye for now and talk to you all soon.

Rectdownunder Mon 23-May-11 23:17:35

Jewel not ewel sorry

jewellerymum Tue 24-May-11 00:32:49

PMT = Uk version of PMS! Pre-Mentrual Syndrome! (i.e. - I'm a grumpy, teary, lazy lump!!!!)

jewellerymum Tue 24-May-11 00:36:06

Rect - use the suppositries - better that than having a nurse manually remove it! (my friend is a midwife and had to do that once on a new mum who hadnt been for over a week - she had to glove up and remove it bit by bit!!!!!)

Rectdownunder Tue 24-May-11 05:19:18

jewel, sorry you have PMT. That never helps a woman feel better especially when you need to recover.
Well I am in luck, just when starting to write this post, things started to happen down there. I guess your last post scared me into a BM. Anyway, it happened and this time there was enough to make me satisfied with it actually being a real BM. And get this, it was somewhat formed, but not painful and it came out just like it was supposed to. I can't believe it! This is so awesome finally normal bathroom etiquettesmilegrinwink and celebrate for sure this timewine. I will continue to do as I am doing and hopefully all will go well. Hope all goes well for you ladies, especially in the bowel department. I don't know about all of you, but I always feel better when I know my body is functioning the way it's supposed to. Thanks jewel for your informative post, I think it helped!

jewellerymum Tue 24-May-11 09:56:12

Rect - Happy to be of service x

Rectdownunder Tue 24-May-11 09:58:12

It is 2:30am here and I can't sleep. My bottom just aches and my inner legs and groin just throb. I must have done too much walking or sitting today. I really don't know what causes what. I wish I could bath for relief, but the dr said not for at least two weeks. I wonder what the best thing to do is?confused I should really be more patient than I am, after all it is only going on 5 days post-op. Maybe I am just feeling sorry for myself. I know the pain could be worse, so I should be thankful and actually I am thankful for being fixed, I just need to gain more patience.
Thanks for listening, it is nice to be able to express myself at this hour.


MegGriffin Tue 24-May-11 10:29:31

Hello lovely ladies, I hope you are keeping well.

Mokeisha welcome! I hope we can help and reassure you. There is so much support on here smile. I am 41 and have two children 11 and 8.
I am two weeks, one day post op for an anterior repair. I am feeling fine in myself but frustrated at how l can't do stuff. I can't imagine driving any time soon and feel heavy and uncomfortable if i'm on my feet too long. Are you other ladies still bleeding? Also have any of you had a period and how did you know?

Rect, I have been bathing since I got home as I was told it was ok. It's amazing what conflicting advice there is!
Jewellry, i'm in the south as well,sussex.
I am off to the doctors tomorrow to get signed off some more and just ask some questions about my recovery to reassure me I am on track. I may even pop in to a shop if I feel up to it shock. How exciting!!!!
I am currently laying on my bed, legs akimbo airing my parts as I am getting sore having a pad there all the time, nice!

Footle Tue 24-May-11 10:46:21

Rect, do you mean you've been told not to WASH ? That's mediaeval ! I was in the shower less than 24 hours after my vaginal pack was removed ,ie 48 hours after my operation - totally routine in hospital. And I've had at least one shower every day since then. The nurses just said 'don't use any soap or shower gel that's heavily perfumed'. It would have been unbearable without that. The leaflet they gave me said mysteriously that a bath is even better than a shower, but I don't like baths.
Meg, another thing that's helped has been ice packs - if I'm really sore I have used one of those frozen-food cooling packs wrapped in a small towel and help firmly between the legs, and it helps a lot. There are also those frozen sanitary towel things , brand name Feme , but they are expensive and the ice pack works fine if you're lying down.
I'm going to have coffee with my friend, OH is dropping me in town while he does the food shop. I do need painkillers for this though, and have only a short distance to walk. But what a great thing to be able to do !

MegGriffin Tue 24-May-11 11:22:23

Ohh Footle how exciting! Look at you with your post op social life!! Have a wonderful time smile

jewellerymum Tue 24-May-11 13:55:27

I used hot bags for pain relief - the material ones filled with corn that you can microwave for a couple of minutes to warm up - I had one for the small of my back and one for my lower abdoman. (sp?)

I'm not really bleeding now, just a very light pink creamy colour and onlu using the really light liners.

Think I am recovering a bit quicker than others but that could be because I ended up with less work?! - Still have an ache deep inside, if I hadn't had this done I would say I had strained my stomach muscles or had period pain or a bit of both!

Just going for a short walk to a friends then am going to attempt the walk to school. Sure it will be fine but reckon I'll come back and get on the sofa!!
Worked a little in the office and think sitting in an upright chair felt more comfortable - think the sofa is giving me back ache!!!

LOL - Speak later

Footle Tue 24-May-11 14:02:49

Held between the legs even - not help. Freudian slip.
I'm back, lovely to go out and lovely to come home again. BTW being out and more mobile has made me bleed more, so if you're wondering if you're having a period, I don't have them any more but I'm still, at 2 weeks, losing a fair amount of blood. I'm hoping to spend the rest of the day in bed after all that excitement.
The friend I had coffee with is 60 and supposed to be having a cystocele/ anterior repair one of these days, but she lives alone and has to drive 30 mins each way to where she works ( self employed ) so doesn't know how she'd manage. I'd help as much as poss but I know I'd be finding this very difficult if I didn't have such a great husband.

MoKeisha Tue 24-May-11 15:02:04

Hi All,

I am 30 but have fallen apart after my 2 beautiful baby's Amanda is 3 and Emmalee is 15 months ..... I had a hysterectomy in August of 2010 and yes i have to have both the anterior and posterior repair and that is on June 13th 2 days after i turn 31 sad I live in Jackson Michigan in the US (i keep having to Google search for some of the things that you say so i know what you are talking about lol) does OH = Husband?

Thank you Footle i did the search and a lot of things came up so it looks like i have a bit of reading to do today smile

And i do not get Embarrassed easily

as for what i do at work i stand for 8 to 10 hrs a day and work on the production of steering wheels so i am lifting 8 lbs over and over and over all day long with 2 10 min breaks and 1 30 min lunch and they will not let me go back at part time it is all or nothing with them sad

from reading some of the post i am very blessed my husband is taking the first week off and my mom is going to come over and we have some girls from our church that have asked to help with my girls .......(God has Blessed me over and over) and the ladies of our church are making dinner for the 1st week i am off smile

sorry this was so long

Rectdownunder Tue 24-May-11 16:26:12

Footle and Meg, I was told not to bath as he is concerned about bacteria getting into the vagina while laying in dirty bath water, so showers only. I like to bath because it always helps get rid of my aches and pains. I had the TVT, so I do have external stitches on the groin and also he gave me a course of antibiotics because infection is so common with this particular procedure as there is a foreign substance in the body. He is wanting the skin on the surface and in the vagina to heal and seal shut before bathing.
I have also used an ice pack on the area and it does help numb the pain, but internally the ache is there and down my legs.
Footle glad you got out for a while, take it easy now. I don't have much bleeding now, but I will see after I am more active. You're right about having the support of a good husband, mine is vacuuming right now, he has been incredible. He made dinner last night for the family chicken, mashed potatoes, broccoli, salad and even gravy. Mmmmm. This morning he made home baked bran muffins for breakfast. I am blessed! Trouble is all his niceness makes him more attractive to me and now I can hardly wait to have sex, really.
It is nice that your friend has you to help her out and you will certianly understand what she is going to go through.
Jewel, don't overdo your activity, but enjoy your walk. I am going for a walk to our greenhouse in the yard, it is about 100 yards or so and then I will water some plants and look at the garden and then walk back to the house and lie down for a bit.
MoKeisha, don't worry about long posts, I enjoy reading them, as I'm sure the other ladies do as well. We all go on a long expression every now and then, especially me. Sounds like you have a good support network in place. Keep posting your thoughts and fears and we'll help you feel better.
Bye for now


MegGriffin Tue 24-May-11 16:40:47

Eew at dirty bath water shock! I have to say I don't stay in the bath long, only 5 minutes but have been having 2 baths a day as feel a bit dirty using the pads all the time blush

teedeeuk Tue 24-May-11 16:47:56

Hi Ladies, may I join in?
I'm 47, and went in for a small posterior repair last Thursday. I woke up with a small posterior repair a large anterior repair and some 'work' on my perineum. Unfortunately the day after surgery I had a massive bleed and ended up in theatre again! The surgeon was really surprised by this and hadn't seen it in over 20 years of doing these ops. I came home yesterday (day 5) and while I feel pretty weak and weedy I'm sure things will improve. The area I'm most anxious about is my perineum. It seems pretty sore and lumpy! I hope it won't cause intimacy problems in the future... Also I had a look with a mirror and like a former poster said, the bruising is most impressive ouch!

Footle Tue 24-May-11 19:20:45

Hello and welcome, Teedee. What a scary experience. Not surprising that you feel weak and weedy , I feel like that too with much less reason. There's a long way to go before your bits settle and the swelling goes down. I haven't explored very much except with a mirror but at first I thought I had no external stitches. 13 days post op it's all subsided a bit . I realize that the swelling was hiding some stitches on the outside , so that must mean the perineum was really lumpy and now it's less so.

Keisha, your job sounds as if it's almost designed to mess you up. Not that anyone can pick and choose their job if they are lucky enough to have one these days. Wonderful that you have plenty of help lined up at least for the first week.

OH means Other Half , though we are married and I'll sometimes say DH meaning Dear Husband - DH are his initials too. At the bottom of this page is a link to Acronyms which should show you what most of these initials stand for.

Rect I'm so glad to hear you can shower . The bowel thing ... you know you said that Jewel's story sent you running to the loo ? There's a family member we have a lot of problems with, though we love him very much , and I've often found that a call from him works faster on my bowels than any laxative ! Maybe you need to give yourself a good fright once a day ?

I liked you saying how attracted you feel to your husband because of all the work he's doing - have you seen the little book about that , where the man becomes irresistible to women simply by taking out the rubbish / garbage etc ? It's very funny and true.

I'm not apologizing for long posts , you can always skip them !

Flowers40 Tue 24-May-11 21:53:43

Hi everyone!

Wow I have missed a lot of posts! I am four weeks post op today and for the new ladies and those who missed it I had posterior / anterior repair and hysterectomy. For those who are recent post op / still to get done, I wanted you to know I feel sooo much better now! Didn't think I would ever feel better again at one stage but it just keeps improving a little day by day. I rarely get pain now, everything works ok and I can even have a BM without my hair going grey. Progress!

I still havent walked far, just to the shops or post box... but I worked 10 hours straight today fixing up my friends website (just sit on a cushion for stuff like this). Havent got my swab results yet but it seems a little better, getting swabbed wasnt nice tho and it did hurt!

For ladies who are further along than me, this is really trivial, but when does the jelly belly go down?? I have bought some new holiday gear and it just doesn't look right sad

For ladies with aches and pains, I have had a variety of them, in my back, my tummy, my side.. but all have gone now. Take painkillers when you need to and keep it up till it subsides.

This op sends you, your body and your emotions on a wild roller coaster ride and at times you may wonder what on earth you have done to yourself.. but it does ease and in no time at all you will feel like yourself again, just take it easy and rest rest rest

Sending everyone hugs xoxo

jewellerymum Tue 24-May-11 22:25:27

Ok, I think my biggest probem right now is PMT/PMS!! I could cry SO easily - you know when you get this ache at the back of your eyes like the tears are building up and it only takes one stubbed toe to make your hollar lke a baby!!

I am so blinkin fed up of not being able to do stuff! I think spendind time on the sofa is giving me back ache, but when I try and get on with normal stuff I get tummy ache and twinges in my you know what!

I'm not bothered that I cant lift anything but I want to be able to rush around and tiday up and hoover. I so desperatley want to hoover!!! I feel awful to ask hubbie when he gets home to hoover but I cant stand seeing bits of the garden sitting under my cupboards!!!

All in all I know I am doing well, but its coming up to two weeks and I'm fed upo of pottering! I know, it's my hormones, I normally feel wrotten at this time of the month anyway!

I'll be fine in a few days! Thank you for letting me vent!!!


Footle Tue 24-May-11 22:31:02

Thanks Flowers, lovely positive post !
Keisha , as you've already had a hysterectomy you might find the repair op is about the same, or maybe easier - hopefully someone else will be along to tell you how it compares.

LemonAda Tue 24-May-11 23:24:08

Hello, ladies. Room for another one?

I am seeing my GP in a couple of weeks. It has taken me a long time to pluck up the courage to go and I feel quite sick thinking about it (am very squeamish about strangers delving around where the sun don’t normally shine!) but I am pretty sure I have a cystocele - well I know I have as I can see it in the mirror, and probably a rectocele too, and my cervix often seems to be lurking around only just inside. The whole area feels as if it’s caved in. Oh the joys!

Can I ask you all what investigations did you have before being put on the list for surgery? Did you have to try physio first? I feel I am too far gone for that and have really tried with the old pelvic floor exercises but to no avail (probably a case of too little too late) and would much rather them take one look and agree it all needs fixing in one go. How long did you have to wait once it was agreed it needed doing?

Reading this thread and how well you all seem to be doing, I wish I had gone years ago tbh!

What's finally spurred me on to go is that I’ve been having nightmare heavy periods which are just getting worse so I am hoping to kill two birds with one stone!

Rectdownunder Wed 25-May-11 00:16:50

Welcome Teedee and Lemon ! Teedee, make sure you rest, rest, rest, your bloodloss would give your body quite a job now rejuvenating itself, glad you're okay. You went in same day as me, but I had no complications, I don't feel over energetic yet.
Footle that's funny about the good scare to egt my bowels going haha, but I think there is a lot of truth to that one. I have a couple of friends in the medical field who could keep me going. I am not familiar with the little book about the husband, but I would think it is pretty darn funny lol...If he keeps up the good work, it will be very difficult to resisit him for 6 weeks. I really love him very much and he is amazing though even when I'm not sickly.
Flowers so glad to hear from you and find out you're feeling well, I think after a month i will feel much the same way and for anyone out there who questions this, keep in mind, I was terrified and gave up 7 years of life quality out of fear of the unknown and now, I am so glad I did this, no regrets at all!
Jewel PMS is nasty, I go through it a lot myself, how long do your downer days usually last?
I am posting again right away for Lemon and those who haven't been to gyne consult yet.
Happy healing everyone.

Rectdownunder Wed 25-May-11 00:28:52

Lemon regarding seeing my gyne etc. for initail consult. I live in Canada and well my gyne, he just asked what my symptoms were and then had me do the usual for pap and swab, then he did the internal and fel that i had a cystocele and rectocele. He asked me to bear down when he had his hand just inside the vagina where the cystocelel and rectocele were. Then he had me standing up while doing the same thing, this was so he could tell how much stres was on them. He asked me to sqeeze my kegel muscles to see how good they were and told me they were really strong. I told him I went to a pelvic floor rehab clinic and they told me the same thing, infact that my muscles were too strong on one side causing more damage to that area. He totally agreed with that assessment. He suggested surgery to me right away because he knew kegels wouldn't help me at this point, but gave me alternatives to try like, a pessary, which didn't work. I went back to him two years later and he reasessed and explained to me exactly how he would fix the problem. He offered me an anterior, posterior repair, an endometrial ablation for bleeding because my uterus is too high and not loose enough to take out vaginally and he didn't want to do an incision through the stomach muscles as well as a TVT to fix bladder leakage. I was extremely frightened and remember feeling sick and hot like I was going to pass out when he was explaining it to me.
He could obviously see the terror on my face and asked me to go home and think about it for a while and come back later with a decision. He is great, very patient and very enthusiastic about helping woman have better lives. He is very homest about the surgery and it's sucess rate as well as the recovery. I came back to him agreeing only to the TVT. He still wanted me to think about it and if I changed my mind, I could still be booked for the others. I ended up calling back to have posterior repair and then day of surgery just before going in, I asked him to fix the cystocele as well. I have my own reasons for passing on the ablation though. Well I think that pretty much covers my experiemce with it. I did not feel embarrassed at all. Hope fully you have a good doc and that is half the battle. Good luck!

teedeeuk Wed 25-May-11 10:39:48

Thank you for the welcome, and the advice. It's very therapeutic to hear everyone else's stories :-) Still feeling low today, and to top it off I have toothache so will be dragging myself to the dentist this afternoon. I cant cope with pain anywhere else! Thank goodness for my amazing OH and this board.

MegGriffin Wed 25-May-11 12:50:04

Hello all. This thread is moving so fast, which is wonderful. Welcome to Teedee and Lemon!
I have just got back from the doctors and I have an infection It turns out that smell I mentioned a few days ago which I though was a bit off was a lot more offensive to the doctor blush I must have a very forgiving nose! I know a few of you will tell me off as I should have got this seen earlier and you did tell me to go!
She examined me with a speculum (ouch) and took a swab (ouch) She is sending it off but in the mean time I have been prescribed the most evil of all antibiotics Metronidazole. She said they make you feel grotty but are the man for the job so to speak. She said i must not take them until 48 hrs have passed since my last alcoholic drink. Unfortunately I had a smal glass of red last night so I cant start taking them till tomorrow evening. Oh joy!

jewellerymum Wed 25-May-11 13:33:07

Hello everyone - so lovely to see new people coming in.

Just a quick reply for Lemon as I am not sure if you are UK or US based and I thought my UK experience may be different to Rect in Canada

I knew I had a rectocele for two years and just ignored it, even though it was a nightmare going to the loo and sex was loosing it's sparkle!!
What made me go to the GP was the night I had sex and bled! Proper fresh blood and lots of it - obviously it totally freaked me out and all night I wondering if I had broken the wall between my bladder or bowel and vagina and I had all these horro thoughts of stuff leaking into my vagina!
Anyway, I went to the GP next day and she examined me and couldn't really see where the bleed cames from but confirmed a rectocele, and thought the blood must have come from the 'bulge'
I was refered to an obs and gynae consultant and saw him a few weeks later. His examine involved me lying on my side while he examines me and asked me to bare down.
He immediately offered surgery (even though it wasn't a huge bulge). He didn't suggest anything else, and to be honest I was hoping for surgery ust to get it all over and odne with. All he did say was that they prefered not to put the mess into someone my age (33) on a first go as it could lea to infections and as I am young (!!!) it was best to start without it.
Unfortunately I had to wait 6 months for an op and during that time I had times when I thought I was crazy for wanting to so it but then I would have bad days with what I call 'bowel retention' where I couldn't bring myself to have sex for fear of leaking!!
I am so pleased I had it done! Obviously I cant tell for sure yet (13 days post op) that it has worked completely but so far so good!!!!

I have a 'little' knowledge of all this from reading up etc but Lemon, it sounds to me like you may need an anterior (cystocele) and posterior (rectocele) repair but also it sounds as if you may have a wom prolapse too. I wouldn't be suprised if he suggested fixing all three and if so will probably suggest a hysterectomy (sp?). Until I read up about them it sounded such a horrific thing to o but actually the womb is so small that actually its's not much to lose (I understand that some people will be upset by the idea of loosing their reproductive organs of course) and if you still want children it would be a huge decision to make but it seems to me (having enough children) that it would end so many problems. Imagine having a designer vagina, no more bleeding, going to the loo normally!!! Wow!

Good luck with the doctor. Read up what you can on the subjsect so you go informed. Let us know how you get on x x

Footle Wed 25-May-11 14:27:25

I first went to my GP a long time ago , might be 20 years ,and told her that my BMs were getting stuck somehow, and I often had to use my hand to help it out. I was a bit hesitant about telling her but thought she's a doctor , she knows about these things. She looked horrified and said " You do what ? well I don't think you ought to be doing that ! If it won't come you should just wait till you're really ready". I left .

Cut to this year. Took myself to the GP ( a different one ! ) and told her I was getting badly constipated and could feel a bulge in the back wall of my vagina. She took a look and referred me to the consultant, saying "it's a mechanical problem and needs a mechanical solution". He examined me lying on my side , said it was a not particularly large rectocele , better to operate before it gets really big ( and before I get really old, I think he meant ). He said my pelvic floor seemed strong ( I've done the exercises for years ) and the pessary-ring-thing doesn't work very well for active women : operation is the only thing. I waited 5 months for the op - no, I could have done it earlier but wanted to keep April free for daughter's 3rd baby.

Like Jewel I kept wondering if I was doing the right thing - was it bad enough ? But then I'd have another bout of faecal impaction and I'd know I couldn't go on like that - laxatives helped but didn't always work. BTW I also tried taking Psyllium , a kind of fibre capsule , and that got really scary - it increased the bulk of the BM but it all kind of backed up and wouldn't come out.

That might be enough information ! I'm really glad I've done it. And still incredulous about that first doctor.

Footle Wed 25-May-11 15:26:29

ps The rectocele doesn't seem to have interfered with sex for us, but it's recently dawned on me that that's because we got into the habit of usually making love in a position where it didn't get in the way. I must be a bit thick : it never occurred to me that there was a reason why that was the most comfortable position. Well the sky's the limit now..

MoKeisha Wed 25-May-11 16:58:30

Footle my hysterectomy was done with a robot i have 5 little 1/2 inch scars on my belly and was up and about in 3 days smile that was a great experience for me i was so afraid because every one i know was saying how bad it was for them but come to find out they did not have the robotic one.....

and yes my job is not very nice to me lol .... when i was pregnant with Emmalee my body had not gone back to normal after having Amanda and so i had to come off of work early because Emmalee was so low in my pelvis that they could feel her head when thy did the exam sad and was put on bed rest..

I hope you all have a safe and happy recovery today and don't over do it :D

Footle Wed 25-May-11 17:19:56

Keisha, I don't know anything about robot surgery - can you explain what it means ?

Footle Wed 25-May-11 21:05:18

How long have others gone on needing pain killers ? Today was my first day without anything - since a Tramadol and a Paracetamol last night - and I made it till 6pm but was feeling pretty grim by then. 2 weeks now. I'm also losing some fresh blood and wonder where it's coming from.

quickchat Wed 25-May-11 21:11:47

Hmm, right out of nosiness I came onto this thread hoping it would just put me off having a third!

Now reading it im wondering if I have a rectocele issue.

After my second baby (first was C-section) I noticed my bowel movements seemed more sluggish and hard work. I did find out I had an under active thryroid which would expalin that but even on medication now, I still feel different in that department.

Inside my vagina everything seems to be lower, as in the top is bulging but I just thought that must be what happens after a natural birth?

Now im thinking there might be an issue? Or is it normal to expect the inside just to feel a little different.

I have no pain with sex or any other issue.

MoKeisha Wed 25-May-11 23:31:43

Footle i hope this helps!

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jewellerymum Wed 25-May-11 23:46:07

Footle, hun, I think you should perhaps have a quick check in with your GP if you are at all worried. I haven't had pain meds for a week now and have had no blood for 2 or 3 days and even then it was very very pale and watered down with the normal 'lady juices!!!!!'
I was wondering what ladies were talking about when they said - when will I know my period is here - well, I cant see how they wouldnt as my bleeding has never been close to a period style loss. I have only need to use panty liners (hate that name) and not even normal pads.
Again, perhaps I've been lucky and I'm the abnormal and your loss is normal, but wonder whather you are doing a bit too much and causing the stitches to pull but having said that I drove today (very short journey) and am pretty much back to normal minus the hoovering!!

Hopefully everyone else will shed some light on bleeding.........

MoKeisha Thu 26-May-11 03:46:20

Is Hoovering Vacuuming?

Rectdownunder Thu 26-May-11 09:36:20

Well today was certainly a good day. My husband took me out for a bit to visit with people. I lucked into getting a couple of those donut cushions from a friend of mine. Her husband Tuck, only 28 years old also a friend of mine, recently passed away from colon cancer and he used the donut cushions after his surgery, so she gave them to me. I find them so awesome, now I can sit at the dinner table and the car rides are more tolerable as well. I also like the fact that I have something that Tuck once had, I miss him, he was so much fun, could make anybody laugh. He hardly complained when he was dying and he was in a lot of pain, so I at times feel bad for feeling sorry for myself, after everything that Tuck went through. When he was alive he talked about how he couldn't have a BM at all because of a total blockage in the colon, how awful that must have been for the while he endured that. I would tell him about my BM problems which were so lame compared to his, but he would listen. RIP Tuck, thanks for the cushions.

To Footle regarding pain meds. I have cut back my pain meds in half and can go as long as 10 hours for the last couple of days. I do have discomfort for sure, but not bad. I am one week post-op. I also have not hardly any bleeding right from the time they took the packing out. I have way more bleeding with me period. I have a very slight pinkish/red colour discharge, so light that the entire week would not have even touched the absorbancy of a liner. The more I do, the more discharge, but still that is in the amount of 2 drops more. I feel so good it is hard to believe that I had surgery. Today I was up a lot and walking more and now I feel a bit more tired, but not bad and I do ache more than usual. I don't know how old you are or how healthy you were before the op, but everyone does heal at a different rate. If you can't get into your dr right away, perhaps call a nurse from the hospital ward you were in or a medicare Q&A line. I think I would be worried about the bleeding too if I were you. Hope all is okay.

P.S. ladies, bowels are stil working perfectly and all is coming straight out.

Hello ladies, welcome to all the new posters. Sorry in advance for long post, I have been back to work this week, so not able to come out to play with all my new best friends. It's horrible being at work with people and not being able to talk about BMs, stitches and all others sorts of TMI hee hee

Footle, my experience of bleeding was like Jewel, very light and no way could I be confused as to what was period and what was not. It would do no harm to perhaps make a quick call to either gp or ward to check if this is what is expected. Better to be safe than sorry...! I do recall being told by someone who had the op before me that fresh blood could be from a bleeding stitch indicating an infection. Please check it out just in case. I was still taking pain meds ant 2 weeks, kept coming off them then going back on them, thinking I was ok then being in bits evening/night time. Maybe just lower the doses slowly..?

Keisha, yes hoovering is vacuuming. And whether it makes sex any better, some of the posters on the old thread said yes yes yes, but I am still too scared to have a go, my recovery has been slower than most and at 9 weeks post op I still have osme pains. I can't imagine trying it till all the pains have gone away. Luckily, or unluckily, my DH is going away for 6 weeks in 2 weeks time, so I am anticipating a fun reunion ho ho ho as I just HAVE to be recovered by then. We are a forces family so we are used to no sex for months and months (when he goes off for his desert holidays) and then fab fab fab reunions, so that will be a nice way to start the summer holidays off.

Here is a link to the old post, new ladies, you will find a lot of useful info here.
I don't know how to make it a neat link, perhaps someone else on the thread is more techno than me, and knows how to do that...?

Rect re you midnight posting with the big aches, I had the same ops as you and the same aches. You feel ok, soyou potter about then ouch argh ouch. You really do have to take it easy (says Mrs Pot).

Emily, you have made me feel so much better, I am in a right funk and you just described perfectly it in your post from Tuesday... oh der, I am due on any day, so probably that is why I feel like this. I am a bit of a div and hadn't put two and two together till I read your post. I think these ops send us off on an emotional path, like Flowers said, so if you add that to PMT it can be a bit much. TBH this thread really really helps, as its the only place you can vent, seek reassurance. How many of your RL Friends can you have detailed conversations about fanny pain with, over and over again..?

I went to my gp over something else, and he has given me a antidepressant presecription but I haven't taken it to the chemist yet, I am hoping I can just snap out of it. Realising that half of this is just PMT is marvellous, and makes me confident that given a week away with the inlaws next week (they are lovely, I can't wait) I might be able to just be smiley shiny happy people again without the meds.

Also Emily you are doing so well! I didn't do the school run for 5 weeks. I think I have turned into a little old lady after having this op (I am 43 so only halfway there really).

I am also on the south coast, W sussex/ Hants border, so hello neighbours!

Love and light ladies, and hooray for long posts xxxx

MegGriffin Thu 26-May-11 10:49:29

Morning ladies!
Footle - I would also recommend you ring and check about the bleeding. I'm now speaking from experience as I have an infection which is the last thing you want.
Missing - I hope work has been ok? It must be so strange going back to work after being off all that time.
Rect I think going out and about is good for ones mood. Your friend Tuck sounded very brave!
Hello Quickchat I had a bladder prolapse so I'm not familiar with the posterior prolapse but I'm sure one of the other ladies will be along to advise.
My bladder prolapse was very low so that I could see it and I had no doubt of it's presence as I had to push it back in sometimes. I know there are different degrees to these prolapses and if it's affecting you it may be worth showing it to your GP.

I am really please as for the first time in a long time I slept all night without getting up to go to the toilet. I'm so thrilled as it proves my bladder is capable of doing this now!
I start taking my anti -biotics tonight for a week and I can't dring any alcohol for 48 hours after the last one so thats annoying. I am not a massive drinker but I do like a wine of an evening sometimes. I'm dreading taking these tablet as there is a lot of bad press re side affects. Have any of you ever taken them? They are called Metronidazole?
Anyway off to potter about for a while.

LemonAda Thu 26-May-11 11:14:01

Hello again, and thank you for the welcome.

Rect & Footle. I am intrigued to read that your pelvic muscles were strong. I had assumed that all these different prolapses were due to weak muscles down there, but apparently not. Quite reassuring to know that I am not necessarily in this situation due to not working them enough in the past!

Jewel. Yes, I am in the UK and will be depending on the good old NHS (unless I win the lottery in the meantime) so it’s good to hear how you got on. I am thinking, hmm, six months, might be sorted by Christmas if I am lucky, and, after putting up with it this long, that doesn’t sound too bad. In fact, if I time it right, it might be my perfect excuse to get out of cooking Christmas dinner - always look on the bright side!

I would be fine with a hysterectomy, if offered one, as I am definitely finished with babies and, after 30 years of periods (give or take a pregnancy or three!) which have been a nightmare since the word go, I’d be more than happy to see the back of them!

Footle. I definitely get constipated. It comes and goes and I find flaxseed oil capsules help a lot. It’s horrible though isn’t it. How awful that you battled on for so long thanks to that first doctor sad I am sure you have done the right thing and hope you feel better soon.

Meg. No personal experience with Metronidizole but, if it was me, I would have someone go buy me some probiotics from a health food shop. Acidophilus or similar. You need to kick the infection’s butt but the antibiotics will wipe out all your good buggs too so you need to replace them. Hope you feel better soon too.

MegGriffin Thu 26-May-11 11:21:47

Lemon, thanks for that advice, I hadn't thought of that x

Footle Thu 26-May-11 12:37:21

Don't forget the yogurt , Meg - in fact I trust it more than acidophilus which is a hell of a price , though I know many people find it helpful. I'd have the equivalent of a small pot of proper yogurt twice a day ( orally !)
Rect, I'm 63. Respect to your friend Tuck's memory.

I think I've been too active, though it's hard to believe. And my OH pointed out that I was crouching for a few minutes in the garden yesterday, just taking out two small plants that needed to be somewhere else. I often squat instead of sitting , and I just forgot to wonder whether it was a good idea - I now think it was what caused the fresh blood loss. I won't go to the Dr today, just take it even easier than before. I must have pulled a stitch - just hope it's not actually come out. And my discharge is less smelly so probably no infection , touch wood.

Lemon, the consultant commented that the rectocele was above the pelvic floor and not affected by the muscle tone there. I feel a bit of an idiot for having soldiered on so long without realizing what had happened - I wasn't constipated all the time as I had IBS , and my concept of Normal must have gone wrong.

Keisha thanks for the robot info, it's both scary and interesting. You don't sound as if you were worried though !

Quickchat, if you think there might be something going on, why not ask the doctor ? Don't worry , I can't believe there are any more like the one I saw first !

Missing, maybe you don't need antidepressants at all , just keep coming here to talk about the important stuff. You've got a lot on with your chap and his "desert holidays" , and having to go back to work too soon, not to mention life, the universe and everything.

BTW I found this in the leaflet the hospital gave me :
"Sexual arousal ( not only intercourse ) tends to have a stretching effect on the vagina, which could interfere with the healing process. Once this area is completely healed, sexual activity may be resumed without discomfort". See, we're not even supposed to THINK about it.

Footle, thank you, that has made me smile. MN as the cure instead of the happy pills. Actually I think I have just cured myself, I just ate a bag of maltesers, a bag of chocolate buttons and a blue riband (in less than a minute) - I feel much better now. grin I am sure I can fix this myself - I tried reading "The Astonishing Power of Emotions" or something like that, last night, but I fell asleep (7.30pm!!!) so am no more enlightened than I was before, but I shall give it a go again tonight.

Rect I am sorry to hear about your friend, he sounds amazing. It's people like him that make us realise just how lucky we are, warts and all.

Meg, yes I had those same antibiotics and didn't have any side effects (but I do have a cast iron stomach and good guts). I was also warned off the drink, as apparently its really bad to drink when you have them.

"Sexual arousal ( not only intercourse ) tends to have a stretching effect on the vagina, which could interfere with the healing process. Once this area is completely healed, sexual activity may be resumed without discomfort". See, we're not even supposed to THINK about it. oh dear I thought about it and ouch ouch ouch I have some shooting pains. Well I shan't be thinking about it again until the end of July when he gets back home, he will just have to tie a knot in it till then.

Sorry forgot to say, Meg, thank you for asking about work, it's tired me out working this week, and that is with my lazy arse, sit down all day and look at the computer kind of job. I cannot imagine doing Keisha's job or anything even vaguely physical.

I know I am slow to recover energy levels (fibromyalgia) I don't want others to worry that their recovery will be this slow (sorry Rect).

I have next week holiday, so am looking forward to going up north to see my outlaws, they are fab and we all get completely looked after. That cold northern air will be just the ticket.

Happy healing ladies xx

jewellerymum Thu 26-May-11 15:37:31

Footle - Your last comment has made me laugh - I had an experience that I wasn't sure about sharing but now you have broached the subject.......

Last week, feeling a little sorry for my hubbie (and his high sex drive) I instigated a little 'grown up play time' - My not being physically involved of course, but just 'playing' was enough to make it hurt like hell! I wasn't even being touched but Oh the pain! It ached SO much inside that I had to stop! Poor hubbie!!!! So, yes, I suggest avoiding any kind of 'sexual arousal' for a few weeks!

And Thank you - Way too much information - As always from me!!!

Missing - My advice would be to try a little longer off the antidepessants and lean more on your family and prolaspe repair friends!! Sometime you simply need to get something off your chest to feel better and we are always here to listen and not judge!

LemonAda - I think you should definately get the bal rolling on this - the majority of us here wish we hadn't waited so long!

Footle - promise you will go tomorrow is there isn't a vast improvement. I have no smell at all so don't let it go for long (you know what it's like to leave things!!!)

Meg - sorry havent heard of those antibiotics but if the doc recommended them..... if you are prepared for the worst i.e, them knocking you sideways then whats another week on the sofa! We're getting quite good at this when we need to!

Missing - I sometimes wish I could have 'hormone removal'!!! My mood swings, lethargy, Bms, headaches are all connected to my cycle. It's ridiculous. I have an iPhone App where I log my cycle and it does an average and predicts my next period, when I ovulate etc, I also log headaches and symptoms and it's amazing to see the paterns!!!

Off to watch my little boy play football now. Been a right lazy arse the last two days (I went back to bed this morning for three hours!!!) so am determined tomorrow to get up early and make the most of the day!!

Spk soon

Footle Thu 26-May-11 16:03:26

Em, I wasn't going to recount my amorous experience but it was much the same. Is this TMI from a grandma ? Mind you the things you know about me already.. Yes I will go to Doc tomorrow if I have to ,honest. It happens that I have a routine mammogram tomorrow ( was supposed to be before my op but when I got there the machine wasn't working ) and I hope that'll be enough medical activity for one day. Ouch , in advance.
Don't shout too loud for your little boy's team will you ? It could damage your health.

Missing, the cold northern air is just that , I've put the heating on today. Oh it's beautiful out there, all sparkly in bright sunshine after a heavy downpour , and clouds belting about over the fells. That's enough Nature Notes for now. For anyone not in UK , fells are hills and mountains ( small by international standards but quite serious ) in our part of the world. lakelandcam is a good site for pics.
Delightful to be reminded of the Astonishing Power of Chocolate .I don't do much of that these days but I'm a committed believer.

jewellerymum Thu 26-May-11 17:25:02

Ooo where did I put that block of Dairy Milk......

Rectdownunder Thu 26-May-11 18:46:54

Wow, so many posts to read this morning. I am always feeling behind because ! am, 7 hours in fact. An interesting thing I was reminded by Missing's post about fibromyalgia. Right after my surgery and for 4 days to follow, I had aches all over my body. The aches were more like when I touched any place on my body I felt bruised, but there was nothing there. I asked my dr about it and he said, it must be your fibromyalgia, as it can cause strange sensations in some people after surgery. Missing did you have anything like this? You are also right about doing too much and then feeling no so good. I woke up this morning very tired, very sore and kind of sickly feeling. I am committing myself to rest today.
You ladies are right about the sexual arousal, I didn't want to mention it, but because someone else did, I can talk about it now. phew! My husband was just rubbing my stomach and trying ot make me feel relaxed the day I got home from the hospital, but it aroused me and then, I said,"STOP!!!" it is hurting me, he didn't get what I was saying at first, then I explained it to him. He just read these posts with me and kind of laughed. I told him no more touching me for 6 weeks.
I am taking an antibiotic called ciproflaxacin,no side affects, but am waiting for the yeast infection to show up. I am eating yogurt for now, but we'll see.
Yes my friend Tuck was very brave and I see what got him through all his days and that was humour, so if we can laugh at ourselves, perhaps we can feel a bit better about things. Tuck was so funny that he was practiacally stand up comic material. He made all of us comfortable with the fact that he had cancer, by cracking a joke about it and opening up the subject. I think nobody really wants to talk about cancer as much as they don't want to talk about rectoceles, cystoceles and all those kinds of things we are meant to feel embarrassed about. Thank god for this site. TTYL

Em, thanks for that - lean lean lean. Will stash the script away, and just stick to choc and MN.

Oh no Footle, really...? Clouds? Rain? Heating....argh!! We are almost as south as we can get and its a right shock to the system driving up to the northeast in tshirts and shorts and needing our jumpers by the time we get there. We haven't had rain here for months, I have to water my plants, and the grass is going brown. We have rain forecast and the clouds sometimes come along, but they float over and don't water my garden boo. I have packed summer clothes with a couple of jumpers, guess I had better thrown in more jumpers, hey maybe gloves and scarves too while I am at it, we softy southerners will struggle with that fresh air. Mind you, that northern cooking yum yum.. grin

Rect re the phantom bruises all over, that's what I feel like in the mornings when I am not taking care of myself, I feel like I have been run over in the night. After the surgery I was too drugged up to notice for the first week or so, in fact I felt great cos I am not used to taking painkillers, so I was spinning TBH. But yes after dumping the painkillers I am back to aching, but not all the time. Foolishly went in the pool yesterday (they have a 2 kids per adult rule so I was needed as the 2nd adult) and tried not to do much but by 7.30 I was in bed, aching, feeling sick to my stomach and running a fever. Fab. I thought I was being clever by swimming arms only, ie letting my legs float and just using arms. Guess not. That is me (Mrs Pot) telling you (Mrs Kettle) to take it easy knowing that I did that yesterday har har blush

Night night ladies, thanks for all being so lovely x

jewellerymum Fri 27-May-11 00:26:50


Bloody Hell Fire Woman!!!!

Footle Fri 27-May-11 09:22:20

Missing, are you driving all the way up here ? Fire Woman x 2

Stardrops Fri 27-May-11 09:52:16

Hi Everyone, smile
Not sure really where to start but I'm so glad I've found you all.
I've been having trouble " down below" for years, never really knowing what the problem was, just thinking its one of those things we women have to put up with. Finally on a visit to the GP on a minor matter I mentioned in passing that I have trouble with my bowel movements, feel very uncomfortable and "not quite right". A quick exam later he decides that I need to visit a gyni consultant to get things sorted out as he thinks I have a rectocele.
My appointment is next wed and I'm starting to stress over it big time, my last experience hospital wise was for a hysterectomy 14yrs ago in a German hospital, translators, enema's and a general feeling of embarrassement. blush
I know I have to get this resolved and on the whole I'm pleased the process has started but I'm filled with such dread. Can i ask did/does anyone feel the same and how did you deal with it?

Emily yes I know. am ashamed. What a div. blush Saying that dont forget I am 9 weeks post op, I thought it might be ok...? it wasnt.

Footle, no DH is driving, he won't let me drive since I got pregnant and my attention span shrank significantly. that was 9 years ago. Now I take my pillow and am in charge of the bag of food - much better. 300 miles boo hiss I hate that drive.

Stardrops, yes everyone was full of trauma and worry beforehand. Stay with this thread we will cheer you up grin but you will need to put up with way way TMI shock

I am that stupid that I didn't notice anything was wrong, except I kept peeing myself all the time. I went in initially for a TVT to fix the peeing, but ended up with 3 ops instead. The doc told me I had a rectocele and seemed surprised I hadn't noticed. Now its fixed I can tell the difference but it didn't bother me before.

So far, everyone on this thread (I think) has been terrified to the point of cancelling, then gone ahead, then been glad of it. There is a long recovery time, and you really really need to take it easy afterwards, but after that, you get your life back. If you check out the link above somewhere, it goes to the old thread, and you can read about the ladies that had it done before, and their experiences too.

I am off to pack, have a great weekend ladies x o x o x

Flowers40 Fri 27-May-11 11:24:23

HI everyone

Missed lots of posts again, too many to comment on so will just say hope you are all doing fab x Welcome to all new ladies too x

Meg, I have my swab results back and am on the same anti biotics as you since yesterday, feel ok tho and think they are working already. The other night the pain was terrible in my (erm) 'wound area', have not felt pain like that since got it done but thankfully it is eased right off again now. Plus my tooth abssess recurred, as it does when I am low.

My rollercoaster ride has crashed back downward this week, from feeling so positive and good at the start of the week to in the depths of misery and despair weds and yesterday sad

Think all the upset weakened my immune system and caused the infection to worsen causing the pains, was crying my eyes out at the poor docs yesterday and went to high street to get my prescription looking and feeling awful. So awful in fact that 2 old ladies asked if I was ok and patted me.... made me cry

Having big problems with finance and the inland revenue refusing to pay up child credits for my daughter. It has been 8 weeks since I lost my job and 4 since I had my op. I have not been unemployed for more than 10 years and have always worked/studied to raise my girls. Feels like the whole system wants to kick you when your'e down. It was this govt that made me redundant from my job in april. and now they wont help me

Feel jealous of all ladies with loving DH/DP's. I really wanted some strong arms round me this week telling me it will all be ok. Thankfully my DD aged 23 has come straight over and stayed a few days to look after me. What an angel she is.

Had to laugh re the rude stuff you girls wrote.. That happened to me when I had a horny dream.. haha - learned not to think about it too cos it hurt lol. Me and my DD have been watching the True Blood series and perving over vampire Eric. What a dish, cant perv too much tho

Haha my post is long. Thank god for this site and you lovely ladies.

And thank god this week is nrly over. So much has gone wrong. I have never cried so much in years than since I had this op. It must be hormones even tho my bits are gone. Stupid doc says its cos I dont feel 'like a woman' anymore. I keep wanting to punch him. He doesnt understand at all. That is nothing to do with it lol

Al least I have all of you. Have a great weekend all xxx

Footle Fri 27-May-11 13:43:42

Flowers, what a rough time for you. Yes, every time I or someone else writes about our lovely Other Halves, I keep thinking there must be plenty of people here without that support . Great that you have such a lovely daughter - that's a better kind of support than you'd get from a not-very-caring husband. And what a huge worry about the loss of your job : not the sort of thing you can put on the back burner till you feel stronger. Hope the child credits come through ok. That doctor's a prat - was that something he was told at medical school ? Hang on , isn't that the doctor who told you you couldn't have an infection because they only occur within 3 days of the op ?

Missing, I'm so glad you're not driving all that way. I had misread your earlier post and thought your DH was already away. Have a great half-term.

Stardrops, no enemas here and no shaving - at least no-one in UK has mentioned having them. We've got rid of our embarrassment by sharing our Too Much Information with each other on here - it really helps ! Do read this thread and also follow the link back to the original thread - it may take a couple of days but it's worth it to realize how we've all shared the same feelings.
How old are you ? I'm 63 and as far as I know I'm the oldest in the group at the moment, but there were one or two older women in the first thread. I had my rectocele repair / posterior repair at Lancaster ,16 days ago. I'm doing well but it's easy to overdo it ; I'm telling anyone who asks a bit about the op because SO many women have similar problems but do they talk about it ? No they damn well don't , there's a conspiracy of silence which stops us finding out that there is an operation that works. Well, as far as I can tell it's worked anyway. Do ask questions , we're happy to tell you our experiences and hear yours.

I just had my mammogram and it wasn't very nice. I took a sneaky Tramadol before I went .

jewellerymum Fri 27-May-11 14:36:22

Off to collect my 10yr old, he's been away on a school activity week in Devon for FIVE days! I have missed talking to him!!! So excited!!! LOL

Flowers, I wish I knew the best thing to say to you to make you feel better :-( TImes can be very tough and I am the first to admit that I consider myself lucky in life! Try and keep your chin up and vent as much as you need honey x x x

Rectdownunder Fri 27-May-11 15:21:39

Welcome Stardrops glad you found us also. Take time to read our experiences and I think you will find that you will feel better about things.
Missing have a great weekend, I'm like you, hate the long drive and I wouldn't drive myself either, I would fall asleep, happens every time.
Flowers your daughters sound very kind, you abviously did a great job raising them. So sorry about your troubles, how disappointing at this time in your life. I am very blessed with my husband for support. My parents are both dead and my kids are at a rather selfish phase in their lives, I believe it is called teenager. My older daughters live an hour away and work full-time, so I don't see them much. I do have my Emily though, she is 12 and has been so kind offereing her help around the house. Anyway, I do hope you have a better
Footle I love to hear your honest words of wisdom, You are like a mom figure to us. I not having a mom for quite some time, surely needs to hear the advice of a wiser woman. I think you're cool.wink Don't blame you for sneaking a tramadol before the mamogram, they can be painful when they squish your boob into a pancake. I have only had one mamo in my life nad I wondered what would happen if you just suddenly passed out whie your boob was caught in a vice?shock
Jewel I like that you consider yourself lucky in life, not all are so aware of the blessings they have, even if it is just having life go smoothly. I have had really hard times in life and it does seem that when it rains it pours and that is one of those times for poor Flowers right now. The storm will end and in the meantime, Flowers, just lean on us for emotional support.

Rectdownunder Fri 27-May-11 15:27:43

Forgot about my question for you all, I get reading your posts and I want nothing more than to comment on how amazing you all are.
I took it easy yesterday, hoping to avoid the pain that I suffered for my superhero moves the day before. Much to my surprize, I woke up feeling worse that the day before. I am not as tired, but that is the only difference. Why did this happen? Has it happened to any of you? Also yesterday I was out for a walk and when trying to wipe a bit of mud from my shoe, out of nowhere, my groin just shot pain right down my leg, just about knocked me off my feet. I am assuming this is from the TVT. Any thoughts? This kept me aching in that area for the entire day and it is still here. OUCHY

jewellerymum Fri 27-May-11 16:09:58

Rect - I get the odd niggle, like when I ironed today for 20 minues there was the odd pain, not as bad as a shooting pain but a shapr pain but I haven't had anything as bad as you described which makes me think it is not related to the posterior repair but somehting else you had done. When you all talk about TVT do you mean mesh that is built into the wall? Lots of you talk about it and I dont really know what it is!!!!

Flowers40 Fri 27-May-11 16:33:56

Thank you everyone, you are all so kind and lovely smile

I called hmrc again today and got a much nicer lady than the horrid man the other day, she said my payment is being held back incase I go back to work in future and they will reassess it at the end of the tax year (April 2012) and if I am still entitled I will get it then!! Incredulously, I said well I need it now, not in 2012, so she has requested I be given it on hardship grounds, the request goes to head office who will call me with their 'decision'...

Yes Rect, oldest daughter is very sweet, she is nrly 23 tho, my 18 yr old has been a big let down since my op and has gone to stay at her bf's now for a while as her not helping around the house, not contributing money even tho she was working etc has caused 2 arguments in recent weeks, my youngest is 15 and stressed with her gcse's right now but generally ok and a comfort to me.

That sounds terrible re your pain, I didnt have TVT so cant offer any thoughts other than take it easy and hope it wears off soon, have you taken any painkillers?

Yes - we are all amazing, and that includes you too xx

Footle Fri 27-May-11 17:38:37

See Jewel , housework is dangerous... Wise Old Woman of the Fells has spoken. If the good Lord had meant our clothes to be smooth he would have made us flat ..
Sorry I think I'm delirious , boob squashing can have that effect.

Rectdownunder Fri 27-May-11 17:41:37

Well a TVT is basically a mesh tape. Transobturator tape technically and is only about 1/4 inch wide and 10 iches long until they cut the length to fit after insertion. I have the Monarc sling (brand name). I watched the op on their website and what they do is, cut a small incision in your upper vaginal wall to expose the urethra. They also make an incision about 1/2 inch on each side of your area, the groin. They slip a hook through the groin incisions and come out at the vaginal incision and put the mesh tape on and pull it through on each side and then sew you up. Viola! you should be fixed for urine leakage. This is why infection is risky, foriegn object in the body. CHeck ou tthe Monarc sling video op, it is interesting. Just google monarc sling and teh video should show up.

I have taken pain meds to dull the ache in the groin and as long as I don't move too quickly the wrong way, the pain is tolerable. Trouble is "the wrong way" is not obvious until you've done it.

Well i must get of my but and do some activity today, I will go out to my herb garden and do a bit of pottering. Then I will come back in and kint.

Have a great evening ladies!

jewellerymum Fri 27-May-11 18:40:31

Well now I can see why I have had such less pain than a lot of you! A posterior repair is no where near as invasive as a TVT!!!! I can imagine weeks of pain with that!!!

Footle Fri 27-May-11 20:22:00

I think TVT is sometimes used for posterior repair as well ?

Rectdownunder Fri 27-May-11 21:09:37

So I hope you don't think what I am about to say is too weird, but every day after my shower, I like to look down there to see if everything is healing well. The trouble is, my vagina is so swollen, that I don't see much opening. I only see bruising and a couple of stitches on the perineum. I have the two groin incisions as well, but one side came out and opened up, so it is too late to close it. It will heal with a gap. I am hoping sex goes good, I am worried because I had both top and bottom fixed, that could narrow things up quite a bit. He did warn me because of the lack of tissue to sew to, that sex will be painful for the first while.

Jewel, did you watch the video?

Footle, I have heard they use mesh on some posterior repairs, but I don't know what it looks like. The dr. showed me the tape he put around my urethra.

Regarding my groin pain, my husband said that the dr. mentioned while I was in hospital that groin pain is uncommon. The dr. asked me if my groin hurt at all and I said yes but not too bad. He said I would be his first patient to have it. I don't remember this conversation, when he explained this to my husband, but there is a muscle that is inside of the groin area and they try very hard not to touch that muscle. If you poke through it, he said it would be excruciating. In my case he may have just bruised it a bit when threading the TVT through. So I guess that may be my problem. Funny thing my memory is not all intact from my stay in hospital. I remember some things, but not all. Mmmmconfused

Rectdownunder Sat 28-May-11 10:33:00

It is nearly 3:30 am and I haven't been sleeping. Today, I overdid it. I went out to the garden and pulled weeds for 1/2 hour, then rested. I cleaned the bathroom and the kitchen, then rested. I got a call from my husband that his truck broke down and he really needed me to come pick him up, so I drove to go get him. I know i am not supposed to drive, but I didn't know what else to do. I had to wait for hubby to get his truck running before I could drive back home, so I was worn out by the time it was all done, drove home and started dinner, then I was sore. Serves me right. I just don't know what i am supposed to do as far as activity goes and how much really. I didn't do anything straining at all, just up and moving mostly. I feel guilty because I think my husband wants me to do things as he is always telling me to get up and go for a walk or do something for a few minutes. He wakes me up if I am sleeping to give me breakfast. These things are all nice, but I would rather sleep and wait for breakfast. I also would rather just rest in bed sometimes and not have to go for a walk or what ever. I don't know what to do? I think when hubby goes back to work next week, I will get more rest. Am I wrong to just take is easy sometimes? I know I have to walk etc., but i don't want to make a schedule out of it. i am just grumpy about it I guess. I shouldn't complain, but I am frustrated.Any sound advice out there?

blue11 Sat 28-May-11 11:26:35

Well over the past few months I have been folllowing this site - the help and info has been great. I am one week post op! posterior repair with large rectocele. I endured years of suffering in silence, perhaps because I lived with the condition for so long I didnt realise there was anything wrong and the sheer embarrassment of discussing it! I had had a terrible delivery over 20 years ago my gynae said pre-op ''everything was in the wrong place''
I stayed in one night and first few days were rough but then a speedy recovery. I have come to work (office) as I cannot rest at home I keep finding jobs that need doing! I have been so lucky, I came home thinking my teenage daughters would help but after a day they lost interest and left me to fend for myself - ummm I didnt really have anyone else to help me so had to force myself to the kitchen for essentials.
I need advice from you experienced girls -
I am very sore but this is from the stitches rubbing, sitting/walking - how long do they take to disolve? if I have healed can I snip the ends of them? also as my biggest problem was with BMs, whilst thankfully I have not experienced any constipation I still am unable to empty in full and have to assist, very difficult with so many stitches down there - is this normal? will it improve?

Footle Sat 28-May-11 12:27:16

Blue, welcome and well done ! So sorry I have visitors and don't have time to say much at the mo, but DON'T snip anything yourself , you might infect the wound.
Phone the ward where you were .
More soon, hope you rest a lot,sorry youhaven't got help at home

blue11 Sat 28-May-11 15:32:22

Footle, I have read and learnt so much from your threads, and all these other lovely ladies, we are all so brave - some have been through so much more, but your strengths made me go and get the help I needed although I was so terrified. I am sure I did too much too soon, but try hard to listen to my body - I was so scared at the stories I had read knowing I would not manage if I couldnt drive after a few days, because I was on my own, if I was at home I would see the chores that needed doing and would attack them, getting into work (office) meant I would not abuse myself at home. ( I shouldve been sedated more!) I lowered the car seat and had a really soft thickish cushion and it worked - I had to be soo careful though. I was never told not to drive, most likely it is just expected it would not be possible with the pain/discomfort. Now a week on and back to a level of acceptable sanity even I realise how foolish it was to even attempt to drive so soon. I was on my own though and clearly delusional. I found other way to do chores that kept looking at me and know you would all see the funny side! - I was so nauseous until day 6 but I had to get into work, I was not able to sit upright for long lengths so lay on the floor when I needed to and found a way to perch on the edge of a stool-and I only stayed for a few hours at a time at first. I am not sure what signs to look out for? pain on walking/standing for too long? - thankfully I stocked up on the heavier main shopping so don't need to venture into shops, I know I would not manage to stand and of course carry anything.
Just so sore with the stitches - am happy there is no infection but the ends are so sharp and causing unneccesary blistering... when do they dissolve?

Footle Sat 28-May-11 17:28:56

Blue, thanks for the nice comments , it's good to know that even people we're not aware of have been getting help from our conversations.

I'm a bit worried about you though. I can't find it at the moment but I recently found a youTube piece with an Australian physio explaining about the importance of rest after these ops - she's had a rectocele repair herself. The main point was that the repair needs plenty of time with no pressure from above, ie you need to be lying down quite a lot of the time in the early days and weeks . You are only a week in and already saying that you've had a 'speedy recovery' , but it doesn't sound as if you are really feeling recovered just yet. The stitches take 4 to 6 weeks to dissolve fully. Think about the job the stitches are doing - the itching and pulling are something we have to put up with while the stitches hold the edges of the wound together and make sure the scar tissue will be strong enough to allow BMs and sex. It's not good that the stitches are so uncomfortable - maybe you are still very swollen around them ?

Also you say you aren't constipated but the BM is still getting stuck. I wonder if that's because you are still too swollen for it to come out properly ? I take this laxative stuff every day because I've been told not to strain. And if you are "splinting" to help it come out ( and I can't imagine how painful it must be , doing that at the moment ) , it may be that you're making it more swollen... I was told to ring the ward if I had any questions in the first week or so as the average GP won't be as well-informed about how you should be progressing. If no joy from the hospital, go to the GP, and if no help there , get the number of your consultant's secretary and explain that you are having problems.

I'm sorry, I don't want to be alarmist and remember, I don't have enough knowledge to know if what I'm saying is right . But this is MAJOR SURGERY , not just a bit of a tweak - not so long ago the NHS would have sent you off to a convalescent home if you had no-one to look after you properly. Yes maybe you should have been sedated more ! Honestly, I think your body is telling you in various ways that it needs more of a break to deal with all this : you're not delusional now but you are still in shock from the op, we all are , it takes a while. I just wish I could suggest a way that you could take it easy at least for a couple more weeks. Had 4 teenagers, bought the T shirt. Well, 4 T shirts.

You will keep in touch won't you ?

Flowers40 Sat 28-May-11 18:08:21

HI everyone, hope you are all having a good saturday

Rect, you asked 'am I wrong to just take it easy sometimes?' - the answer is NO!! A big fat 'no' too!! You are SUPPOSED to take it easy!! For 6 weeks, minimum!

Yes it is sweet of hubby to bring you breakfast, but let him bring you it when you are ready to wake up! My first couple of weeks post op I was lucky if I woke up before 10am every day. Your body needs rest, think of all your energy going to heal your insides, that is why we are so wiped out in the early weeks, there's a lot going on inside, cant see it but your body is working 100% and then overtime to mend itself! You are not supposed to be doing anything! No housework, no walks, just REST REST REST! If you want to stay in bed then just stay there! Listen to your body, do activity only when you are totally comfortable and don't push yourself to do more. I know its hard (pot, kettle anyone) and it especially hard when people cant 'see' how ill you are as there isnt anything to see, but you have basically had your insides moved around and rearranged!!

And Blue, welcome, but your post made me shiver!! In fact I ran right upstairs from where I was on my sofa reading on my mobile to log onto pc to say this to you! STOP what you are doing!! 1 week post op and you are doing housework, and going to work! I am flabbergasted by what you wrote! PLEASE stop now and give yourself some time to heal! You say you have suffered in silence so long, but we are all here! And we like to support each other on here cos we all know what it's like! Yes its hard to see the place become like a tip but seriously WHO CARES!? It doesn't matter, you should be at 1 week after your op basically resting.. leave the chores alone!! The dust in my front room is 3 inches deep now but I am not touching it till I can be bothered!!

AND you should NOT be driving so soon! Are you in the UK? Do your shopping online via Asda, its only £3 for delivery.. Write a note with your order that they have to bring it right in to your kitchen worktop and they will! Jeez woman what are you doing?? And where do you have to go?? I understand re the teenage daughters, I have one like that and it hurts, but you have to try and get through to them that you are ill and you need them.. please tell me you are not still trying to pick up after them etc, if you are then stop it! You should be doing nothing for at least 3-4 weeks, then gentle activity with lots of breaks but absolutely no lifting or heavy work like hoovering/ironing. Yes I said nothing, that means zero, nowt, not anything at all, zilch, nada, naught, diddly squat, sweet FA!

Now please listen to footle and get medical advice from your ward asap. Don't try and snip anything, you could injure yourself! And no, you should not be trying to help yourself go, you could get an infection, please please see your GP or phone your ward, promise me you will... Oh poor love, we are here for you and you should of piped up sooner, this is a difficult op to get through on so many levels, and even if you feel alone in your RL you can at least come on here when you need to and offload, we don't mind! Get some books you have been meaning to read, magazines (as trashy as you like), DVD's (I recommend True Blood for a bit of excitement/escapism) and put your feet up! Let the place go to wrack and ruin if it has to! Take care of yourself!

Sorry for moaning at you like this but please do not try and be superwoman and get yourself some advise and then some rest.. even if you dont 'want' to rest you have to.. you have had the courage to have this op to fix your problem so give yourself a chance to heal so you can avoid these problems in future.. it will be worth it in the end, a few weeks rest is nothing tho it feels sooo hard, I am sure you deserve a rest and if no one is around to pamper you then just do it for yourself, sending you hugs xoxoxo

Flowers40 Sat 28-May-11 18:15:00

Ohhh my post crossed with footle's and she has been much more gentle and diplomatic than me, I am sorry, I didnt want to alarm you or scare you off, its because I know exactly how you feel that I wanted to get through to you cos you sound a lot like me, headstrong and used to surviving and doing what you gotta do, pls accept my apologies if my post is too strong but also listen to footle's wise words x

Rectdownunder Sat 28-May-11 18:28:24

Welcome Blue. Okay, Just going to share with you what i believe to be cause and effect in my own experience. I am also one week post op. I had rectocele, cystocele and TVT. My bowels work as normal as ever, no splinting. I use docusate and massive amounts of fiber and water, the stools just fall out of me, no use of that bowel muscle at all. When I stand too long or walk to much, I have trouble peeing this is because of swelling building up from pressure down there. You had rectocele, but that would swell just the same as the wee parts and cause difficulting with a lot of things. I have been told from my nurse friends, that just because you are out of the hospital doesn't mean you're better and you don't heal any fater today than you did in 1950s. All the medical advancement we have and not one thing can increase the speed of recovery except good old fashoined rest.
I would hate to see you jeopardize the healing process and possibly reverse the work done by surgery, but the reality is, it could happen if you are not careful. Oh I hope I am not seeming judgemental, I am just giving you a wake-up call. I hope to hear from you again, I feel really bad for your situation, but ultimately you must control your urge to work all the time. Try to look at this like a bit of a holiday in a way, be selfish damn it you deserve it. I would also question how well the surgery worked if you are splinting, but try some major laxatives and see how it goes.

Happy healing my dear.

Rectdownunder Sat 28-May-11 18:29:08

Faster not fater, sorry for the typos.

Footle Sat 28-May-11 18:38:47

Thanks Flowers and Rect ! Blue, I've been worried that you'd feel you were being told off but I actually agree with everything they've said .. only telling you off because we're worried for you.
It would be another Bank Hol weekend wouldn't it - but please don't delay.

Flowers40 Sat 28-May-11 18:56:00

I think ladies, it is much easier to 'see it' and be kind to others than it is to be to ourselves, it's how we are conditioned, we are all guilty of it, those naughty thoughts.. no one's looking so I'll just do this or that... well, that is why we need each other and why we should be as kind and good to ourselves as we recommend for each other

Rectdownunder Sun 29-May-11 04:12:03

You're right Flowers, we tend to advise on stuff we should do, but not necessarily do we practice our own advice. I have been guilty there. I realise that I need to take care of myself and I will do my best to rest. Hubby is going back to work next week and he told me, to rest and really get myself better. I told him I wanted to do one daily activity and that was cook dinner, nothing complicated that would cause me to stand for a long period of time, just some simple meals. He told me that if I was up to it, then yes, but if dinner wasn't made when he gets home, he will make it. He wants me to get better and stay fixed up too.
Well I must go now, take care everyone and Blue hope you post again of your progress, would love to hear from you.


blue11 Sun 29-May-11 12:12:30

Well where can I begin, if I was with you all I would give you all a big hug - you are all the friends I didnt know I had, you are all so kind, you are right and I know with what I have been through already that I would tell anyone else new exactly wht you have told me. I am self employed, and could not dare begin to tell you how hard ive worked, I am also divorced and have no family around me apart from the girls.
I was so upset last night with one of my daughters I drove off and rested in a car park for a few hours as it hurt physically to cry - I feel ashamed as she is my responsibility and I clearly have failed to teach her to be the person I expect her to be. I know she will improve and its an age thing but I also know I would have helped so much more had it been my mother and I was my daughter's age...silly little things are getting to me and I am emotional. I feel better already, and thank you for listening!
I got home from work yesterday and the dog had not been out for a walkies, since pre-op, I have a good sized garden but he is more help than the girls, and the guilt when he got my boots out ready was too much - I took him out in the car, he does not need a lead and he is does everything I ask. ( wish he would hang the washing up!) By the time I got to the first gate I had to sit down, I knew I could not walk any further and left him to entertain himself. I was weak and quite light headed. Even I didn't think I would be that bad. No real pain just a bit of pressure and the soreness from the stitches, which after all this I have not touched! :-)
I never did ask if they put any mesh in, however it feels like a razor blade bulging through the perinium stitches, (presumably as you have said swelling)and I do need to apply a little pressure there whilst attempting the BM. I have increased my fluid intake and will try some mild laxatives but do have to assist or would be even more uncomfortable. I did leave some medication on the ward so will try have a chat when I go to collect it.
I know I will one day become an expert on this topic and hope I can welcome, support and advise those girls like me that have lived with this condition in silence for so long. You really have helped me more than you will ever know already. X

Stardrops Sun 29-May-11 12:18:34

Hello again, Thanks for the warm welcome.

I've been slowly working my way through your older posts and boy you're right, way way too much info! shock but it does help and its amazing that in just 2 days i feel so much more comfortable discussing whats going on with my body. I felt for so long it was just me so thanks again!grin

I'm 45 and never considered myself prudish but I guess its just the part of the body we're dealing with, if it was a broken arm, lungs or even an in growing toenail I probably wouldn't feel quite so awkward. You ladies dont mince your words and its FAB!

Have been chatting to DH about it and he's going to come to the hospital with me, sit outside while I chat to the Dr and then come if when he tells me whats going on and what if anything they can do. I'm not so sure if I'm more worried they will offer surgery and all that that entails of if they decide to leave things alone and I have to carry on as I am which I think would be the worse option.

I shall continue to work through your posts, its so encouraging to hear from others who felt the same and have come out the other side. Have a lovely bank holiday, rest and thanks again. xXx

Footle Sun 29-May-11 12:22:21

Hello Rect, thank you too for the nice things you said . I'm no wiser than anyone else , but no-one minds being told they're cool! I was going to say that you seemed to be overdoing it yesterday, though obviously you had to help your husband in that situation, but Flowers said it for me. No-one can accuse me of overdoing it at the moment, I'm quick to give up and lie down if I get uncomfortable. BTW, the doughnut cushion is a big help and I'm glad I bought it. I couldn't find a sensibly-priced one online but the local chemist got me one for £16 and it's been worth it even for these few weeks. I'll have it to lend out if it's needed. I'm starting to do some easy cooking too , making sure I don't stand around and don't have to do it in a hurry.

Flowers, how are you today ? and Blue, hope you are feeling less and not more stressed after posting ?

Footle Sun 29-May-11 12:23:25

Oops, posting while Stardrops and Blue were at it too !

blue11 Sun 29-May-11 12:40:13

Hi Stardrops and welcome! like you I am a newbie here although admit I have been ''stalking'' the site for several months. like you I was never the type to discuss any problems ''down there'' and this will make you laugh probably 5 years ago when attending my female GP with something else I blurted out a little about this condition.....too embarrassed to discuss the real horror stories but she referred me to a consultant general surgeon. I looked him up on the internet and that was enough quite simply there was no-way I was going to talk to ''him'' about my ''private life'' and that was that! I never went and continued to suffer in silence. Scared, ashamed embarrassed and terrified I would have to face so many strangers with my deepest secrets! I know my condition has progressively got worse but this site has helped me so much and the kindness and dignity shown by the staff at hospital has restored my faith in the health service. Be strong, take each hurdle one at a time and when you get through it you will be soo proud of yourself. I know everyone here will support you and those silly little questions that mean so much to you can easily be answered here.

Footle Sun 29-May-11 12:45:31

Stardrops, I think most of us felt a bit stunned by all the info here but now look at us, getting a whole lot off our chests , so to speak, and feeling so much more able to cope. It's too soon for me to be sure it has all worked properly but it seems like it , and I've got no regrets about having done it.

Blue, I hope that car park is somewhere safe and that the dog came too. Re the daughters : you haven't said how old they are but it is NOT your fault if they are not (yet) the people you hoped they would be. There are huge pressures on them, both internal from all those hormones that transform them from our darlings into alien life-forms and eventually to recognizable and lovable adults ; and external , from a big and often bad world that shapes them in ways we parents aren't fully aware of. And can't do anything about.

Rect this is all your fault, now I'm trying to sound like a wise old woman. Picture me as Yoda with a sore fanny, OK ?

Rectdownunder Sun 29-May-11 14:16:51

Footle not only are you wise, but you're funny too lol...hahah, I can picture the expression on Yoda's face.
Blue so glad to hear from you. I have 4 daughters and I understand all too well about age related issues. My two oldest daughters are 25 and going to 22 and I have one that just turned 18 so many fresh memories there and a 12 year old who would like to think she is 18. My sons were not the same as the girls, really the were easier to deal with. They do change for the better. I remember when my daughter Alixandra was 16, we got a call from the police she and her two friends were in jail. They were caught stealing. I was horrified at the thought of her doing this. As it turned out the police officer told us he was not going to charge them, as he has seen a lot of these cases and these girls are not criminals, they are just teenage girls who have lost their brains and they will get them back sometime in the next 5 years. He was right, Alix and her friend Abby are good now, they needed to grow up! Well I hope you are able to take it easy for bit, it will help you emotionally as welll, if you rest.
Well have any of you ladies ever developed a yeast infection during your recovery? I think I have one and it is quite bothersome, very itchy and it burns. ouch. After the antibiotics I guess that is what can happen. I can't imagine putting cream in there, I doubt it would be a good idea, I hope I can hang on till Friday when I see the dr.

MegGriffin Sun 29-May-11 16:32:31

Hello everyone, just a quick hello. I will come back later for a proper post.
Blue sorry you are having such a hard time at the moment, be kind to yourself!
I hope everyone is healing well.

I am on day 4 of my anti biotics and have not had any bad side affects fingers crossed. Today my bleeding has almost stopped and I am feeling pretty good for the first time since my op. I am now nearly 3 weeks. Today I dared to think about my return to work as a posibility once my 6 weeks are up so I must be feeling good. I am a nursery nurse in a pre-school so it's very physical so I will have to be very careful when I go back. Anyway, little steps,little steps.
Speak soon xx

Footle Sun 29-May-11 19:56:47

Oh not thrush as well , that's too much ! Hope it doesn't develop , Rect and Meg and anyone else including me.

jewellerymum Sun 29-May-11 21:55:39

Hi All, another one of those 'done to much' days! I don't feel bad, ust exhausted. TBH I think I am getting a cold - my throat feels tight, I feel a bit spacey and I have a headache!!
I am also waiting impatiently for my period (day 32 now!) - I think the surgery has frightened it off although I have had my snappy PMT head on for a week! Am wondering if that also explains my spaciness and the ache in my tummy!
Drovean hour and back today to drop my boys off with their grandparents for a few days. The driving was no problem and my OH came with me incase I couldn't manage!!!
I am slowly doing more and the only negative from it is getting tired easily. I ache a little toady where my stitches are but I was think that after 16 days the healing process should be well under way and so the stotches will be pulling at healing skin and so may hurt more now than when they were just done (??)
Rect - Over here we can get a tablet/cream combo for thrush - that may be an option for you and just put the cream on the outside? Although make sure that is what it is and nothing else?!
Right, I'm having a sofa moment now, so I'll catch up again tomorrow

jewellerymum Mon 30-May-11 01:00:51

P.S - sorry for spellings - I was never one to check back over my work!!

Rectdownunder Mon 30-May-11 04:09:59

Well the thrush is not bothering me as much as yesterday, so I will see if I can wait it out till I see the dr, just in case it happens to be something else. My husband figures a does of diflucan (oral yeast med.) couldn't hurt anything. I have to get into town or the city to get some meds though.

I took it super easy today. I was tired and sore and felt unsteady and lightheaded, so I spent most of the day in bed resting and knitting. I almost have completed a long sweater for myself since surgery.

Hubby goes back to work tomorrow, so I will fend for myself. I think I will be fine, I am not going to overdo any activity and supper is really the onlly task at hand.

Well must go now and be in touch tomorrow.

Hello, all, hello new ladies. So many posts!!

Re the razor blade feeling YES I had the same it felt like razors - its the stitches and the swelling and it goes away. Very slowly.... Just take it easy - I know it goes against the grain but imagine how you felt if you overdid it, went back to the doc and they said well the whole thing needs to be redone cos you didn't rest..

For ages it has felt like razor blades in my perineum (my new double the old size perieneum) when I wiped after a wee, but either that has gone away now or I have gotten so used to it I don't notice it, hmmm, I will have to check.

Rect re the TVT yes to groin pain, oh dear, this isn't good. At 9 weeks post op its still bothering me but only on one side. Guess that muscle got poked. It is easing off, it is getting better but almost imperceptibly. However I don't recall having the pain shoot down my leg, but shooting grin pain, oh yes, many times in the last couple of months. I also get it at what I imagine is the bit where the urethra is, but not that often and that is a sharp pain, not the big deep pain that I get along the side, where I guess the TVT goes. But hey so far its worth it to be peeing properly, nice big wees instead of the constant micro wees I used to do.

Flowers I am sorry you have all this to deal with, and also Blue, I do hope things settle down and that you get that cash Flowers. Love and light ladies xx

Flowers40 Mon 30-May-11 14:34:23

HI everyone

Thanks missing, Im not too hopeful I will but feel much better and even jumped up at 8am today and had fired off a job app by noon, sooo pleases with myself and hope to get back in the job seeking groove.. dont wanna be on stupid benefits anyway

Rect. so glad you are taking it easy.. sounds much better and keep knitting away, once you've finished your own sweater you can make us all one ;)

Jewel, hope you manage to ward the cold off, take it easy wont you x

Blue and stardrops, hope yr both ok x

I feel alive again today instead of half corpse-like after a relaxing all wknd, my eldest girl has been here cooking and cleaning like an angel, only tiny niggle is my tooth infection aint budgin despite being on anti-b's, was hoping it would kill it aswell

Hope your all doin well

Footle Mon 30-May-11 18:44:21

Miserable today, barbed-wire feeling on one side telling me to lie flat or on my side , and back to the Tramadol and Paracetamol . No words of wisdom, just FED UP. Hello all you lovely people xx

jewellerymum Mon 30-May-11 18:58:53

The Ups and Downs we all have!!!
Just keep it in mind that downs are followed by ups!!!!
We are all in the dumps a bit (except for Flowers who is doing her damnest to keep her chin up!)!!
I have a really sore throat!! Also been really tired and achey today! Althought sitting on the sofa all day has made me feel lazy and bored and now I'm stir-crazy!!!
Moan moan moan !!!!!
Nothing else to report just sending you vibes to make it through the crappy bits!!
Much Love

Footle Mon 30-May-11 20:25:26

Thanks for the vibes. Combined with the drugs I'm sure they'll do the trick. Hope everyone has a good Bank Hol evening and we all feel loads better tomorrow.

jewellerymum Tue 31-May-11 11:19:12


teedeeuk Tue 31-May-11 12:02:11

Hell everyone, wow this thread has taken off! I'm ten or eleven days post op and can totally empathise with the 'barbed wire perineum'. I cannot 'sit' on it so am still lounging in bed. Had to use frozen peas last night wrapped in a towel - there is no dignity with this is there?? Also have a tooth prob Flowers40. I went to see the dentist last week and she prescribed me a 3 day course of anti b's, seemed to sort it but back with a vengeance this morning. OH went and spoke to her at the surgery and persuaded her to give me another course, 5 days this time which hopefully will do the job.
May I send a hug to anyone who needs one? Although I have fantastic support now, I know exactly what its like to have none. My heart goes out to anyone struggling. Look after yourselves ladies :-)

blue11 Tue 31-May-11 15:48:16

Hi Teedee, sorry about the tooth and Flowers, that is something you dont deserve on top of everything else - was one of my fears before I went in needing the dentist. I think I am a day ahead of you post surgery and wondering if the razor blade I am sitting on will rip open any second now.
Rect, Missing and Footle, I did need a wake up call - thank you, I am so independant and never ask for any help before I certainly could not go through this again so I am slowing down - my body has made sure I do by giving me some horrible bug overnight. have still come into work though to sit behind the desk or I know the vacuum will come out! by the time I get home I know I wont manage it but what will the ASDA delivery man say? I wonder if he will stay and help when I tell him what awful daughters I have!
I will blame you all if he doesnt as I am only following your instructions..... smile

Footle Tue 31-May-11 15:48:28

Teedee, nice to know you're miserable too .. oh you know what I mean ! Yesterday I walked round to the cafe to meet a friend and had a nice time but was sitting awkwardly on a sofa as I hadn't taken my cushion. It had a bad effect and I still feel a bit the worse for wear. Yes, frozen peas or ice pack are very useful. I'm THREE weeks tomorrow for goodness sake. Thankes for my share of the hug. Have one yourself.

blue11 Tue 31-May-11 16:02:19

Ouch! I sneezed!! soooo painful - I am seeing stars - that was not supposed to happen! shock

Footle Tue 31-May-11 16:48:58

Blue, isn't there a Special Instructions bit on the order form ? Disabled is the word you need to use - it's true at the moment. No need to mention daughters.
sneezing is bad.
Rect, tell me about the sweater you've made - I like to know these things. Is it a free pattern from Ravelry or Knitty ? What yarn ? And how did you manage to sit upright enough for long enough to knit so much ? I've managed about 3/4 of a large sock so far.

Oh no, sneezing isn't allowed...! On one of the pamphlets it said no sneezing of coughing for 6 weeks, so I spent the first 6 weeks terrified of catching a cold.

Sorry to hear that everyone is having the downs right now, and yes of course that means everyone due an up, any minute now grin

What is it with these ops and teeth - the 2nd week after my op, my front teeth went black (too many prunes!) and I broke a back tooth eating a date... I have never been to the dentist so much in my life.

Re the Asda delivery man, if you go with Ocado (big debate there I know) they bring the bags into your kitchen (or wherever you ask them to) as a matter of course. If you do a late night shop its free/cheaper.

Barbed wire is a great description, that's just what it's like. Don't worry it does get better, but don't sit on it or stand on it too much, give it all a chance to heal. When I went to my doc at 6 weeks he gave me some estrogen gel, as apparently it can "beef up" the tissues in that area.

Re the CVs, I know how frustrating it is. DH and I are both working at the mo, but he is out of the army in the summer, and my job is ending in June, so I am spending most of my time sending out CVs for him, looking for a civvie job, and CVs for me looking for another role within the company I work at. So we're lucky we are both still working, but it's horrible not knowing what we will be doing by the autumn. If it was just one of us it would be easier, but unfortunately it's both at once. I guess some would say, how exciting, new things for both of us, but this kind of excitement I could do without right now... argh.

Anyway, we are up north and it's rained almost constantly. We had been missing rain, not having seen any for months at home, but now I am bored of it. The sun came out today and my SIL advised me that this (brief glimpse of sun, FREEZING winds, is the middlesbrough summer. Ouch.

Flowers40 Tue 31-May-11 18:45:31

Hi everyone, thanks for the giggles you lot give me as always.. Well, guess what I have gone and done now.... (drum roll...) - bought a MOLLY TROLLEY!! Yep them old lady things you pull along with your shopping in, only mine's black with cerise spots and damn fine if I do say so myself!! You just have to do the uber cool walk when your'e walking with it as if its the trendiest thing on the planet, I Love it!!

I had went high street for a flea collar for my cat, then bought a few extra items in the pound shop like you do and even with only 5-6 things in my basket I could feel the dreaded 'pull' begin, so headed to a shop where I knew they sold them and hey ho they were on sale for only £7.50. A great investment I say and before you all cry 'never!' - let me tell you it fitted in all my pound shop bits, some clothes I got my DD for the holiday AND some food shopping! It has big white wheels and a little stand for when your'e just browsing, what's not to love!

I was only out a couple of hours (oh the excitement of being 'out' instead of the mad lady locked in the attic) but now I feel totally exhausted, tho I did do another job app this morning before I went so a busy day.. my eyes are sooo heavy and might have to lie down lol, tooth no better so phoning dentist is on tomorrows list of things to do

Hope you are all well and you TVT ladies not having any more problems with the barbed wire, take it easy all, lets all hope this will be a better week xoxox

Stardrops Tue 31-May-11 18:55:37

Hi Ladies,
Oh what a cheerful lot we all are. I've my appointment tmrw at the hospital (to find out what if anything they can do for me or if its all in my mind hmm) and I'm a teary, stressy mess so I am thinking of you all and sympathising. Hope everyone feels brighter tmrw, maybe the sun will even shine.... ok maybe not! Off to Fat Club (Skinny School my DH calls it) in a mo, thats bound to be a big non event the way I've been feeling. Still at least when I get home I can have a wine or 2 and not have to worry about the syns till next Tues! Keep your chins up everyone. xXx

Stardrops Tue 31-May-11 18:58:25

Loving the image of Flowers with her trolley!! That's bought a smile to my face! grin

Rectdownunder Tue 31-May-11 19:11:38

Missing sorry that you too have the groin pain, but like you I am glad I had it done. I don't know for sure if it worked for the leakage problems, but I know I hold my bladder longer than before. Good luck with the job search.
Blue glad you are not upset with our harsh honesty. You are important and need to feel that way too, I don't give heck unless it is necessary and because I care.
Footle I have been knitting while lounging in bed just sitting up very slightly leaning on several pillows. It is comfortable that way, no pressure on the bottom. I am knitting a long sweater from a pattern that I bought on line and they send it to you in a PDF file. It is rather retro, probably from the 70s, but I love it. It was supposed to made out of buffalo wool, but I am using acrylic instead as I planned not to line it, I don't care for the itch of wool. I just made my hubby a wool sweater and lined it, he loves it. I will look up the site I bought it from and you can go there and check it out. If I lived in the UK close by you all, I would totally knit you all sweaters.
Flowers the "Molly Tolley" sounds cool, it will be a big help to you for sure.
Jewel a cold??? how awful for you, that is enough to put anyone in the dumps, but worse while trying to recover. Take it easy, and be lazy, no shame in that right now. Do you feel up to creating some jewelery pieces?
I have been feeling alright really. I get a bit light headed at times, don't know why. I think I might have some kind of infection happening, might be yeast, not sure, but going to dr on Friday. We went to visit a friend last night and I think I was standing too long, I started to throb and ache down there and then had to lie on the couch for a bit. After lying on my side with my knees slightly bent, when I went to get up, my knee was so stiff I could hardly bend it. My arthritis is kicking in now and the fact that I notice it, means the other pain I was having is going away.

I have to say it is really nice to hear about your lives and get to know you all on a more personal level and not just talk about our surgeries.

Well that is all for now.

teedeeuk Tue 31-May-11 19:29:58

blue thanks for the good wishes, but please will you lie down?! You're making me anxious. I'd hate to thing you would do some damage..
Footle I'm very impressed at you going out to a cafe - would you recommend one of those cushions? I have a feeling (HA) it will be a while before sitting down will be comfortable!
Missing so glad to hear that it gets better from someone who has had the 'barbed wire experience'
Flowers your trolley sounds fab! If I ever leave the house again I could be tempted.
In other news I have done an online Asda shop today, about the extent of my capabilties I think.
Oh and by the way I'm in Sussex, I believe not the only one on this board?

Rectdownunder Tue 31-May-11 19:47:32

teedee forgot about you in my last post, I am sorry. Glad to hear you are getting along day by day.
Stardrops good luck at your appt, I am sure there is something they can do for you. If not there, you will find someone who can.
Footle if you are interested in seeing the sweater I am making, it is at it is Cowichan 14 long coat with hood #3345 I am making it in black and grey. The one I knitted my hubby is White Buffalo 6104 cardigan #707. I made his out of sheeps wool in a two tone brown and oatmeal colours. What kind of things do you like to knit, you mentioned socks, which I think are a challenge, especially the heels. Do you have a pattern you like for the socks? Well I am spent already sitting at the computer, so I am off to lie slouch in bed and finish my sweater, very close to done.
Thanks again ladies for being so awesome, a big highlight of my day is to read all your posts and express myself when I need to. I must admit I am disappointed when I find that no one has posted as I check periodically throughout the day. I know because you are all sleeping when I am up in the evening and you are all posting when I am sleeping, so it is a bit awkward in that respect, but never the less it has been great!smile

Rectdownunder Tue 31-May-11 19:48:23

Woops #7070 not 707

MegGriffin Tue 31-May-11 20:15:25

Hello everyone!
teedee i'm in West Sussex.

Sorry to hear about the tooth problems ladies. That's all you need on top of everything else.
stardrops good luck tomorrow.
flowers i'm loving the sound of your trolley, what a good idea!
missing good luck with the job hunting. You know what they say, when a door closes, a window opens (or something like that)
blue rest!
rect your knitting sounds amazing. I would love to be able to knit but never quite got the hang of it unfortunately. I am left handed and got in a muddle when people showed me what to do.
I've got one more day on the anti-biotics and they seem to have done the job. The doctor confirmed it was an anaerobic infection and that I was on the right meds so I'm pleased with that. Looking forward to a glass of wine this weekend to celebrate!

Rectdownunder Tue 31-May-11 22:08:39

Meg glad your infection is clearing and yes have a wonderful glass of wine. I love wine and I had half a glass last night, you'll enjoy it. You're right about the left handed thing, one of my daughters is left handed and wanted to learn how to knit, but it was very difficult to teach her. I tried to do it left handed myself thinking that would be the way to teach her, but I see why doing it right handed when your left handed is hard now. My hubby taught me most of what I know about knitting, he knits, I don't know if he wants too many to know that being a man and all, but I think it is fabulous. He is such a masculine type and that's why it is kind of funny that he knits. Well I will read all your wonderful thoughts again tomorrow.

Footle Tue 31-May-11 22:44:11

There are plenty of male knitters who blog and design. Sounds like he doesn't want to know though ! Those Cowichan sweaters are wonderful things. I haven't made any yet but have a great book about them. I have 6 grandchildren aged 1 month to nearly 9 years so most of my knitting is small these days, but I like knitting socks and can turn heels no problem. I also spin some of the yarn I use, which I definitely can't do at the moment .

jewellerymum Tue 31-May-11 22:57:08

Hello everyone!
I have had quite a few laughs today, my spirits see a little higher (despite my STILL mising period! Day 34!)
Actually wanted to ask all post-ops if YOU had any delay to your first post-op period? I had mine mid cycle and wondering if for some reason my body decided it would be best not to ovulate?!?!
I have a stinking cold - Missing you said sneezing was not allowed....I counted, yes counted (due to the pain) seven sneezes in the first two weeks....well, I have been sneezing every hour for the last two days!!!
Flowers - I nearly wet myself (no cystocle here) reading about your trolley. HOW FUNNY ARE YOU?!?! God bless you and your shopping aid! x
I have been thinking about my 'fast' recovery and I think a lot of it is due to me not having any external stitches. I haven't had any pain sitting down and so I can see that those of you who have had perineal stitches would have much more trouble getting about!
I have a day planned shopping tomorrow! We'll have to see how that goes! I feel up to it but have warned that I may have to be left in coffee shops if it gets too much and we have planned a nice long ladies lunch in the middle!!!
Rect I have been making a little bit of jewellery and today made myself a necklace and earring set to wear to a wedding on Saturday (another little adventure for me to cope with!) so I have been pootling! This week the children are off school and it is quite a hectic week so I am looking forward to next Tuesday when hubbie and boys are both back to normal and I will have the house to myself to get back to normal 'work' (sitting in my office, surrounded by beautiful sparkly things, playing!!!).
I will let you all know how a day shopping tomorrow goes!!
Keep smiling beautiful ladies - it could be worse - I think I have put 7 pounds in since my op! Damn this sofa!!!
Em xxxxxxxxxxxxx
P.S. - I think we need a field trip to Canada!!!! I think some R&R there would be just the thing.......!!!!!

Rectdownunder Wed 01-Jun-11 02:37:37

Yes everyone come to Canada for some R&R. You can all stay at my house.
Jewel be careful tomorrow when shopping. I think you will be okay for a stint, then you will suddenly feel the need to sit down. That is how I have been these past couple of days. So be sure not to overdo it! When you go to the wedding, I can imagine it will be quite exhausting, at least that is how I think I would feel at this point. Glad you are making some jewelery for yourself, it must be handy to just need a few items and get creative and "viola" there they are, you're awesome!
Footle Wow 6 grandchildren, you can keep yourself in knitting projects for quite some time. About turning the heel, whenever I try to do that, I tend to get holes on the angle for some reason, I must be doing something wrong, but really don't know what it is, it is like I am missing a stitch and you eventually see little misses all the way up the angle.
In regards to weight gain, I have com-batted it by drinking my fiber drinks before each meal and that helps me to get full and gives me great fiber intake as well. I lost 5-10 pounds so far. Depends what time of day I weigh myself, so I hope to keep it up. My clothes are a bit looser and friends have noticed I am slimmer. Try the fiber thing until you can get more active.

Gotta go, supper time.
Take care all!

blue11 Wed 01-Jun-11 12:16:25

Hi all,
well teedee how was your asda shop? - mine arrived, i never managed to entice the chap to stay and do a few jobs but he kindly brought everything in for me. It was my first experience with a shop online, great for the heavy items but not sure I would do the fresh on a regular basis -
I cannot knit so pretty envious of Footle and Rect, just think how many balls you could get in your trolly Flowers, we should all get one now or better still they should be issued when leaving hospital!
OK today I am aching so much, I am limping with pain in both hips - perhaps too much sitting at the desk and not enough lying down....or was it the sneezing? my legs have had the shooting pains since the op which I dose up with painkillers and trust will disperse over time, however now I have thrush and need to know what you ladies find the best for treating it? Ive not had it for years and think all the showering is not helping, disturbing the natural bateria balance. Just out of interest what instructions have we all had for bathing/showering? I was told to have as many showers as I like but certainly no baths for at least two weeks post op. I ache so much I would love to lay back and soak for an hour, but I have coped.
Watch out for the wine if taking anti biotics! - I made that mistake recently
Thinking of you all, and hugs to those that feel sore and low xx

Footle Wed 01-Jun-11 13:29:24

Jewel, I find sitting down doesn't do it for me. I can be out for a couple of hours but then I need to lie down. I did find that I have some external stitches, maybe only one , can't see properly but can feel , so maybe that's slowing me down.
So many new posts on here, will write more later on, just taking my lunch up to bed. Want to put the heating on, it's cold in these hills.

MegGriffin Wed 01-Jun-11 15:11:43

blue I am counting down until I can have some wine (Friday night) which will be 48 hours after my last tablet. With regards to bathing and showering I was told it was ok straight away which is what I have been doing. However I have had a infection so who knows??
jewellery My last period was end of April so mine is also missing. I am pretty sure I have not had it although I did have bleeding up until recently so it could have maybe sneaked in there. I don't think so though!

Rectdownunder Wed 01-Jun-11 16:44:59

Hi All, just got up this morning and I feel exhausted, I can't believe how tired I am and I feel aching down there. I have a couple of areas that are very tender. If I am sitting on the toilet weeing, afterwards whenI have to wipe, if I lean to the side at all on the seat, it sends pains down teh groin and bum. It also happens if I try to use my leg in anyway. I am frustrated with the odd pull and pinch here and there and shooting pains and exhaustion, but I really have no choice in the matter, I just wish I understood what was happenig and I would feel better, I also discovered a stitch of mine broke and came out. It did not dissolve, so I hope the area stays together, it was the final stitch on my perineum. I am back at falling asleep in the middle of things. I am trying to post this, but have fallen asleep three times all ready, only for a minute at a time, but it's weird. When knitting last night I kwpt falling asleep and waking up, I finally just had to sleep.
Blue the doctor told me showering is fine, but no bathing for at least 2 weeks. I love baths and especially when I'm feeling like this, just soak away the aches and pains.
Well I'm tired I will post later.

jewellerymum Wed 01-Jun-11 17:52:45

Ok. SO I had a lovely day shopping but 5 hours was too much! I'm not in pain but I can feel that inside my 'woohoo' is swollen! It's feels like I have packing in there!!! -
I am going to go and have a soak in the bath (first one sice op) and put my PJs on!
I have cheated and bought ready made pasta for dinner so at least hubbie can bung it in the overn when he gets back!
SO shopping was ok overall but now I have freaked myself out a little bit knowing that I can swell up like this!! LOL
Off to relax
x x x x x x x

teedeeuk Wed 01-Jun-11 18:38:21

blue my shopping isn't due until tomorrow, but I have ordered in the past and haven't had a problem.

Re baths, my consultant told me I could have baths of 5 mins or less, otherwise showers. Guessing this is so the stitches don't dissolve too quickly?

All you 'crafty' ladies - I'm so impressed. I would love to be good at knitting or make my own jewellery, sadly not my forte..

I have a question for anyone who had the anterior and posterior repair together. My consultant told me to very gently insert two fingers in my 'woohoo' (thanks jewel) to make sure there's no adhesions, every two weeks. This is scary! Anyone else had both repairs and had to do this??

Hoping everyone's teeth, barbed wire, swellings and general knackeredness are feeling better this evening, maybe aided by wine for the non antibiotics crew!

Rectdownunder Wed 01-Jun-11 18:51:41

Jewelglad you got out shopping, but you must be so uncomfortable. I would be freaked out too. I get the swelling too, but it is mostly noticable in the frontal area down there, where I wee. Rest up for a couple days, the good news is you have found new limits at this point. I'm jealous about the bath, I am really hoping to be able to get the okay for that on Friday.

I think I am bound to bed for most of the day. I was up and about quite a bit yesterday, but had intermittant rests. The big trip was to town to deliver pictures to clients and then got home and toured the garden, that was a total of 3 hours and I guess that is still too much for me, hard to believe a person can get knocked down so much from this surgery. I guess I can try knitting in between naps. I also think I really have an infection, yuck. I have a slightly offish smelling discharge and it has changed colour from cream to yellowy green. see dr Friday.

Have good days ladies and rest up lots!

Rectdownunder Wed 01-Jun-11 18:58:23

teedee I had both anterior and posterior done. The dr did not mention anything of the sort to me. I think he was wanting me to leave all alone down there to not cause infection. Touching the woohoo with hands that may have bacteria on them could open make you susceptable to infection. Now that you mention this, I do wonder if it is possible for the top to heal to the bottom????? I will ask my dr questions when I see him on Friday.

Happy healing!smile

teedeeuk Wed 01-Jun-11 19:16:16

Rect I should say he was extremely clear that my hands should be tscrupulously clean first! And that yes to stop adhesions. I do trust him as he is well known in this field, I'm just scared (of what I might feel?) and hadn't heard of anyone being told this before. I guess though that we've all had different advice depending on the opinion of each caregiver. Would be interested to hear what your doc says smile

Flowers40 Wed 01-Jun-11 20:19:51

HI All

Teedee I had both ops and that was not told to me.. I am four weeks post op this week and notice the swelling inside has gone down a bit now. I sometimes have a poke around when in the bath and noticed it today

I am doing ok but oh so tired, did 2 apps today and saw a potential client re some editing work for an hour this afternoon, have that to do now by end of week but energy for today is all gone. Lay on sofa last night after posting on here, closed eyes and next thing I knew it was 10pm!!

Oh well, hope everyone is comfortable, sofa is calling me.. xoxo

teedeeuk Wed 01-Jun-11 20:25:31

Flowers thanks for your input. I'm glad to hear you are able to have 'a poke around' I think I'm a bit terrified it will all heal up with no 'room' any more!!
Guess I will have to bite the bullet and see....

jewellerymum Wed 01-Jun-11 20:52:23

Lovely bath and dyed my hair while I was at it. Feel ok, swelling a lot better (felt like a tampon was in but too low down - sorry TMI.) A little achey now but all good really!
STILL no period and I'm starting to think I may not get one! Going to google it on a mo! Thd good thing is that my pmt has eased off a little!!!
Teedee I only had a posterior repair and can't see any stitches from the outside. A couple of times I have tried to feel inside but to be honest it all seems quite snug in there and when I finally touched a stitch the thought made me feel a bit sick so now I'm leaving it alone in there!!!

Footle Wed 01-Jun-11 21:22:12

Woohoo everyone ! No I mean whahae...

Rect ( I wish we had a prettier name to call you by , especially as you are now unwrecked ) if your socks work fine with little holes and you like the effect, it's not a mistake but a design feature. If you want to get rid of the holes , knit into the BACK of those stitches next time, and even twist them as you knit into them if they don't behave. There is no knitting inspector. Buffalo wool - they don't mean qiviut ? They would be very expensive sweaters indeed ! Have you looked at Ravelry ? You need to register -free- and if you search you will find loads of free patterns, groups who meet , all sorts of interesting things.

This tooth thing - I'm having toothache as well but I'm in denial about it which is why I haven't mentioned it till now. It's a crown which came off and was stuck back on just before my op, but now it doesn't feel right despite the root canal work that was done there years ago. I wonder if at least some of these problems have been caused by the anaesthetic equipment bashing our teeth ?

I don't feel ready to put anything inside me yet - not that I'm likely to have adhesions from just the rectocele repair. The thought makes me cringe. Who was asking about the doughnut cushion ? I love it and take it everywhere ; it really helps.

Footle Wed 01-Jun-11 21:25:14

Rect, I just did a search for Cowichan on Ravelry - there are two groups of people knitting them around your area. Some amazing pictures !

Rectdownunder Wed 01-Jun-11 22:00:00

Well Footle you're right I am unwrecked now, I actually thought of that just before the op and wondered if I should change my nickname, but you can call me Dawn my given name. I am going to check out Ravelry and see what they have, thanks for the heal turning tip.
I am feeling better now after some rest and just had a tour out to the garden and teh greenhouse. All is growing nicely, but I find it hard to control my urge to start digging dirt with the spade and transplanting. That is too heavy of work right now, so I must avoid! I tried pulling a big weed and it wouldn't comeout of the dry ground and that was even too straining for the area. I will stick to knitting for now, as I love it and it is safe.

Have a good night!

Rectdownunder Thu 02-Jun-11 00:25:54

Footle I forgot to mention before as it slipped my mind, so cool that you spun your own wool. My husband would like to do that. Is it messy? I checked out Ravelry and there is a lot of cool things on there. I think I will share some of mine also. Something else I tried that was neat is felting. It is pricey as well because you have to use so much wool. So far I made two handbags, you make them exrta extra large and then shrink them down and tehy become felted and you don't see the knit look anymore. Well thansk for sharing your knowledge, talk tomorrow.

Footle Thu 02-Jun-11 09:26:55

Dawn, sorry not to share my name as well but I know if I do, I shall stop feeling easy about sharing my Too Much Information on this site ! I will PM you . Spinning from the fleece is messy but I usually spin tops, which are nice clean ready-combed things.There are two kinds of felting ..
Oops must go, more later.

Stardrops Thu 02-Jun-11 10:04:24

Morning Ladies, well I went and I dont know what I was expecting but the Dr's ( I saw 2) were both really nice. They even had a ready supply of tissues to hand when I got a bit tearfull. Not a translator in sight which after my experience's last time was bliss!! smile
The out look is still a little unclear, they say I have a cystocele - not what i was expecting - the top of the vagina is prolapsing a little too and I'm to see a bowel surgeon as she couldn't really see a rectocele although everything i described was consistent with having one. They also talking about doing a TVT and I've to see someone at the urinary clinic to get some pelvic floor exercises. Then in 3 months I'm to go back and we'll take it from there.
I cant believe they couldn't see the problem I have with my bowel,confused that was the main reason for going, the thing that causes most discomfort and stress but at least it wasn't dismissed and they are taking it further. I think I was expecting them to say "you have A B C and we can do X Y Z and the problem will be solved" if only life was that easy!
Its lovely to think of you all out there knowing how I feel, Flowers with her trolley, Dawn & Footle knitting, Blue & Teedee with their Asda shopping & Jewels busy with her sparkly bits wink Have a lovely restfull day & thanks for letting me ramble on. xXx

Rectdownunder Thu 02-Jun-11 10:25:34

Stardrops well it must be a relief to you at the very least that you have something started on the road to fixing some issues. In regards to the rectocele, was one of the doctors a gynecologist that you saw? I went to pelvic floor rehab because of my urine leakage all the time, but they couldn't help me because my kegel muscles were really strong already, so that is when I was referred to the gynecologist. I know that I saw two other GPs with my troubles and described them and they did not know what I had, in fact I ended up having a colonoscopy and I was diagnosed with IBS. An emergency room dr told me I was just constipated and needed to get my bowels moving. I had an ultra sound done on my female parts and the technician told me she couldn't see anything because my bowel was full down at the bottom and getting in the way. You would think after all that, they might catch on to some kind of a problem. Finally after 3 years of this I got a referral to a gynecologist and he knew what the problem was right away. You may want to suggest asking for a defacatography test to determine what happens to your stools as they are passing. That should clear up what is going on. Best of luck with all of this, but don't give up till you get an answer.

blue11 Thu 02-Jun-11 11:56:40

Stardrops I am really proud of you - the main thing is you are now in the system I do hope you will get to see as Rect has said the gynaecologist. I did get sent around the houses at first, had colonoscopy, and the dreaded xray where they squirt a liquid up your BP and xray you as it is expelled but really sounds worse than it is and you was treated with the up most kindness and dignity. I was shown the xray actually once dressed and you could see the rectocele. It was only then I was referred to a gynaecologist, and seen pretty fast. Of course I am assuming you are in the UK - go and treat yourself now you have been good.

blue11 Thu 02-Jun-11 14:41:12

Rect sorry we have nearly done a double act with Stardrops, but yours is far better....... I took so long finishing, having to muti task at the same time didn't think to check for any more replies. Still getting to know the site myself.
Dare I admit I have sat at home all day, I am not at work! - they can cope until tomorrow. Just so tired, but have been doing work via the laptop so don't feel as guilty. If only I had some chocolate -

Rectdownunder Thu 02-Jun-11 17:49:56

Blue so glad you are at home and resting. I know it is difficult feeling like you are lazy, when you are really not allowed to be doing certain things. Working from your laptop is good, I did that a bit yesterday and that helped me feel useful. Chocolate, MMMmmmmmm. I broke down the other day when in town with my husband and bought myself a chocolate bar. I can't keep chocolate here or I will eat it.

I am feeling pretty good today, just tired, but pain wise pretty good. Even though I feel good, I am still going to rest and not overdo it.

Have a great day everyone!smile

teedeeuk Thu 02-Jun-11 18:16:48

stardrops well done for getting yourself through that. I hope now you're in the system you'll get sorted very soon!
Blue very happy to hear you are home todaysmile
My Asda shopping has been delivered, all present and correct.

A funny for all of you: The other night when I was in terrible discomfort with my barbed wire I asked OH if we had any frozen peas. After going to have a look OH came back with "yes, how many do you need?" LOL!!

Footle Thu 02-Jun-11 19:10:11

Hope you told him 53, each individually wrapped.

By the way has anyone seen my last remaining brain cell ? I can't remember how to post a private message , nor can I find Help to remind me.

Had not a very good day after feeling my perineum and it seems to be all rigid in a weird way. Is that just the swelling ? There's still a bit of fresh blood most days - why ? 3 weeks in I thought I'd feel more normal. But BMs are great, as long as I take my Movicol - usually one dose a day does it , plus all the greenery and flaxseed I eat. So i'm not sorry I had it done, just wish I was healing faster. I don't want to go to the GP because I don't think she'll know what's going on any better than I do.

Footle Thu 02-Jun-11 20:53:19

Oh , I regained the use of my brain cell and did send a private message.

jewellerymum Fri 03-Jun-11 00:07:27

I'm getting my stress head on!!
I can't stop coughin because of this cold and it's really worrying me what damage I could be doing!
I had to drive for three 1/2 hours today when my quick trip to collect the boys turned into a cross country adventure due to a big accident on the motorway. And I am now quite swollen again inside but a sit on the sofa doesnt seem to have done the trick like it did last night!
I'm not sure therefore if it is the driving or the coughing that has caused the problem!! Has anyone had any info from their doctor on coughing? I know it can be a causing factor in the first place! I'm getting myself in a tiz but I know I cant do anything about the cough!!! But everytime I cough I can feel somthing bulge inside my woohoo. It's terrifying!
I plan to do nothing tomorrow and have a sofa day because it is in my mind that I have the wedding on Saturday and so want to rest up as much as I can!
I know there is really nothing you can say to me!!! I honestly dont think I have overdone it through stupidity, yesterday's shopping was a test but today the driving was unexpected!!! I am hoping that I will wake tomorrow a little less 'full' feeling and a little less panicy. It will really suck to bugger it all up after three weeks due to having caught a blinking cold.
Sorry to go on! Hubbie just says - it'll be fine. Know he's trying to help but it doesn't. He says you haven't been cough much till tonight - Er hello - you've been at work all day - how do you know!! Anyway, i'm off to bed. Up at 6am tomorrow to begin my morning watching Rocks and Co Sky666, a jewellery show my brother works on. It is their 1000 show and they are having a big celebratory show and I may do little sofa shopping to cheer myself up!!
Big hugs all round xxx
P.S. - Sorry if this has been a selfish post....Stardrops, I am so happy for you to be on the first rung of the ladder and agree that if you havent already, you need a gyne consult......Footle....I found your brain cell but wore mine out in the process!!!!....Blue....please take it easy when you can, sometimes as you can see above stuff comes along that you cant avoid so make the most of the times there is nothing!!! least he didn't ask you if you wanted ketchup!.....

jewellerymum Fri 03-Jun-11 06:40:36

Sorry about last night and going on!
Well, I'm up, positioned on the sofa, credit card in hand!!! LOL
I have my period!! Day 37! Sure you'll all be happy for me! - Another reason to stay on the sofa today me thinks!
Swelling had gone down a lot but not completely so I am hoping that a day of laziness today will help!
It really opens your eyes when you over do it and suffer afterwards and I will reissue a freidnly warning to ALL of you who are recent op goers or who are waiting for ops - A week after you op, just because you feel fine and because you are getting bored DOES NOT MEAN that everything is back to normal. Don't be like me and have a scare to make you take it easy!
Also, it is dufficult to go back; once you start cooking dinner, people then think hat you can do it every day! Do a bit of ironing and then that job no longer gets done for you. You can't blame the family! They can stop you lifting heavy things because it's obvious to them that you shouldn't be doing it, but they don't know how you are feeling, they don't know what is going on inseide you so if you start doing things they can be forgiven for thinking that you are therefore capable of doing it!
Take it slow from the beginning! It is also easy to lull yourself into thinking that you are better when you are spending so much time on the sofa and pottering around but you musnt just suddenly go from sofa days one day back to normal the next! It has to be gradual!!!
It is very hard. You often feel like a fraud. What I wouldn't give to have some plaster on my leg or something! People would give you sympathy and understand, but you can't go around telling all and sundry that you have a woohoo full of stitches!!! I suffer badly from guilt! Last night, the extended family all had dinner together and soon after I went to lie on the sofa to try and get my swelling to go down but I felt so guilty! I also felt that they would all be thinking I was being lazy and it's been three weeks and I went shopping yesterday and I can do things when it suits me etc etc (especially my moody sister-in-law) but I guess my designer vagina is more important than what people think of me!
I would say that making yourself take it easy is the most difficult part of the whole process!
Jeez, I've gone abit for 6 in the morning!
Sorry, just feel that last night gave me a real scare and I wanted to emphasise to you all how importnat it is not to accidentally over do it! You can avoid the vacuuming or lifting heavy bags but other things aren't as easy. And empasise it I have, in several hundred words!!
Sorry and love to all
(P.S. - sofa day will probably equal more rambling posts later! - Any pre-op ladies like to ask me any questions?!?!?!)

jewellerymum Fri 03-Jun-11 07:18:00

P.P.S I would like to mention that I AM very literate, I just type quickly and am too lazy to check my spelling!!! LOL

teedeeuk Fri 03-Jun-11 08:12:44

jewel your designer vagina is certainly more important than whatever your SIL may think smile
Hope you are enjoying your sofa day. For me it's two weeks and I haven't even got out of my nightie yet! The thought of having to have anything 'done again' on my poor nether regions is enough to keep me from pushing it. If I never have to see the inside of a hospital again it won't be to soon.
Hope everyone else is taking things easy and if you are in the UK will be enjoying the lovely weather. I may get OH to put the comfy rocking chair in the garden tomorrow so I can enjoy the sun for a bit. Provided my barbed wire is not too problematic of course..
Hugs all round, what a lovely bunch you all are xx

Rectdownunder Fri 03-Jun-11 09:42:17

Jewel your advice is a good reminder for me. You also managed to sum up exactly how I have been feeling in regards to what other's must be thinking when I look lazy, especially when I was doing other things involving activity. I go through these feelings daily. I feel obligated because I don't want o be a burden nor do I want to look lazy.

About coughing and recovery. Okay not to scare you , but I was reading before my op that asthmatics recovery time is longer and the success rate is less. I have asthma, though mild, so I don't cough too much, but that is why I read about it. I have a suggestion for you to try while coughing. I lie down on the bed and bend my knees, then pull my bent legs up, so I am lying on my back in a crouched position. Grab your legs with your arms and hold them over your chest and stomach. Much like a fetal position on your back. Cough in this position and it provides some relief to the pressure on the area in need. Seriously it really helps. I think working against gravity at any time is a good thing. Sometimes it helps to press your hand up against the perineum while coughing and it stops that feeling of something blowing out. Hope this helps you. Have you taken any cough medicine with dextromathofan DM in it? Another good cough remedy is codeine. In Canada there are cough suppresents you can buy that have DM, codeine and expectorant in them. I know the codeine is constipating, but just take stool softeners and bowel stimulants and drink lots of water and eat lots of fiber and you won't feel the constipating effects. Trust me, I had to take a few T3s this past week for my migraines and I am not constipated, just stuck to my bowel regemin. Been having a BM everyday and they're soft. I hope some of this helps you out, but your sofa day sounds like a good remedy.

I better try to sleep now itis past 2 am .
Have a great day to everyone.

Flowers40 Fri 03-Jun-11 10:25:48

HI All

Jewel, so sorry to hear you are feeling grotty and coughing, that is rotten for you. I also think your advice is spot on, it exactly sums up the way I feel daily too re guilt and the frustration of wanting to do more etc. I too hope your day of rest today will help and Rect's advice about what to take sounds excellent

I woke up at 6am today with shooting pains up the vajazzle, they are pretty frequent and disturbing and quite strong.. Only finished my anti b's on weds so the obvious worry is that the infection is back, tho there doesnt seem to be any smell like before... its friday and getting in the docs might be tricky, or I could go and cash the part of my prescription the chemist didn't have which was the anti b gel you squirt in... Meg if you are around, how you doing with your infection?? arrrggghhhh what to do???

Oh gosh its hard to stay positive isn't it ladies when you soooo want to be better??

Teedee - sitting out in the sun will do you a power of good and I may do the same if we get any.. sounds like you are being really good, well done!

Footle sorry your barbed wire and sore perineum is still troubling you, tbh the only thing I have noticed any different since my op is my BM's are more straightforward and I didn't even know I had a rectocele!

have a lovely friday ladies of TAKING IT EASY xxx

Footle Fri 03-Jun-11 11:35:53

Hi everyone , including Dawn/ Rect when you wake up. The sun finally got to Cumbria yesterday afternoon and it's still here. Em / Jewel, I think it's really important to actually lie flat when you can. I find sitting is OK for a while ,but I start feeling sort of congested and pressured before long, and then it all gets hot and sore. Glad you got your period - hopefully you will feel easier in time for the wedding. Who's getting married ? Does your bro make jewellery too ? My brothers are glass-blowers.

We just have to take the time and rest that we need.. we know what we're doing, and we're not exaggerating about the slow progress. Maybe we should all be in our nighties for six weeks .. No, I have to get up and dressed and have a walk. Last night I did a bit of cooking and found that I was lifting things that were too heavy and standing around more than I should ( OH was up Great Gable till all hours with his cronies and their ropes and harnesses , it's OK he's only 68 ) . Anyway it's true that if you start doing things you end up doing too much very quickly. I'm wondering if wearing pads all the time is irritating me : they seem to have some sort of chemicals in them. Anyone else feel this could be a problem ? I know being post-menopause makes all these tissues more fragile so maybe not a problem for you young women.

jewellerymum Fri 03-Jun-11 15:32:37

Hey everyone - thanks for the kind words and advice
Was hoping to swan in and tell you all I felt much better......afraid not....
OH MY GOODNESS THE PAIN!!!! - The whole of my pelvic area, inside, is agony!!! LOL - Actually it has eased a little in the last 10 minutes hence me being able to type!!!
I promise promise I'm not a drama queen - it really bloody hurts (pardon my french!)
I will try and explain ---- Some months, mid cycle (when I guess I am ovulating) I get a sharp pain in my side for a coupld of hours which always gives mixed signals that it is ovary/womb pain or maybe bowel pain! It always feels like it's coming from my womb/ovaries but its almost as if its linked to bowel movements, i.e. I feel like it would improve if I passed wind etc and it hurts in my bottom when I sit down.
Anyway. my self-diagnosis is that when I ovulate (or as in today, start my period) certain internal bits swell up and then anything that chugs past in my bowel puts pressure on said organs and therefore hurts...does this sound like a possibility??!?!?!
Today it honestly feels like everything from my tummy button down is swollen, I can even feel it bouncing when I walk as if it's harder than it should be! So, I'm not really worried, as the pain is a little familiar but has NEVER been this bad! I guess when you have your period blood rushes to your womb to help it contract and perhaps the extra blood causes pain?!?
I found walking helped a little (again this makes me wonder about bowels as the movement may help things move aong out of the way!!).
I am so so sorry that the last couple of days I have become a constant moaner! My hubbie is at work today and tbh I could do with him home for a hug! SO I'm afraid poor ladies it is you who has to nod politely and adopt the soothing voice!
I'll say again, I'm not concerned it is anything untoward, just was not expecting such pain!!!
Anyway, please don't feel the need to send me knid words, I'm slowly getting over it and pulling myself together as it eases (have taken diclofenic), but If anyone has any comments on their first post-op periods I'd appreciate it or have any of you ever had the ovulation pain I mentioned?!

Footle - I hate using pads, they drive me insane, you get hot, sore.......very uncomfortable. I find that Bodyform is a little better than Always as it doen't have the 'cotton' cover which when you look closely it is actually a finely woven rubbery stuff - completely what you don't want!! Bodyform is a little more like material and not quite as heat attracting! Take it easy and stop with the heavy pots and pans!! The wedding is my OH's cousin. I'm not crazy about going, mostly because I will only know about 10 people and I think the day may drag!!! As long as I feel a lot better I will dose myself up and at least go for the ceremony and the meal! LOL

Flowers - sorry not much info on infections but cant see how the gel would hurt?!?! Keep your eye on it x x

Rect - thanks for the advice on the cough medicine. I am normally gainst cough medicine as I believe your body is coughing for a reason and so to supress it is no good, however in this case it may be a good idea!!!

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxI'm OK really!!!- I hate moaning!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Footle Fri 03-Jun-11 15:57:18

Thanks JewelEm, if I can't get organic pads I'll get Bodyform next time - these Always are evil. Sorry about the horrible period - it's bound to be worse the first time after the op , it's made me remember very forcibly what menstruating was like because it's felt a lot like it ! Are you usually better the second day or not till the third ? And you're not moaning any more than the rest of us.

teedeeuk Fri 03-Jun-11 17:39:05

Jewel hope you feel better soon, sorry you're having a rough day.
Footle Ive found the most expensive 'brand name' pads are the worst at irritating me. The 'cheapie' ones seem to have a far higher cotton content without that awful plasticy mesh stuff on top. Ugh.

Rectdownunder Fri 03-Jun-11 17:52:23

Jewel first thing, BIG HUGS for you. Hang in there. I know the pain you speak of during period and ovulation. I have it too. My lower abdomin aches and feels like it is falling out. I find my bowels hurt especially in the lower right side. Having a BM feels painful at times. The pain lasts 2 days around both ovulation and period. Regarding cough meds. If you buy the cough remedy that has both DM and expectorant then you will help your body get rid of it. The DM suppresses the cough and the (gueffisen)(sp?)which is the expectorant will help losen up the mucous in your lungs and it will be easier to cough up. You will not have as much coughing, but when you do, you will find it easier to get it out. The less mucous, the less coughing fits you have. My husband doesn't like to take anything for a cold either, but his coughing is so bad that I just want to scream at him and I finally convinced him to take this kind of meds and it really
Flowers you are doing so well under the circumstances of your personal life. You're an inspiration. Keep in mind when recovering that everyone heals at a different rate. Like a woman giving birth, we are all different. Unfortunately, drs give timelines on recoveries and that is just a guide so not to hurt yourself etc. In reality, healing goes on long past any timeline. I know the disappointment and fristration I have felt and I am only 2 weeks post op, but I made a promise to myself to stop my own discouragement, oterwise I will be constantly disappointed. you are so positive it amazes me, but stay that way!!
Footle pads are nasty! I have been pad dependant for 2 years now and had several rashes, either heat rash or diaper rash so to speak. I do not use Always as the rubber like lingin is awful. I use Kotex, don't know if you have them there. They are the same kind of material as a disposable diaper. I find they worked the best for me. I got prescription ointment from the dr a couple of years back, that I use when the rash acts up though as it starts to bleed and the skin peels away.
Well good lluck with everything ladies. I am relaxing most of the day and tehn going to the dr. I have many questions for him and may come back with a wealth of information. talk to you all later.

l4k Fri 03-Jun-11 21:02:11

Hello all,I have been following all your progress and it seems a bumpy road that's for sure!
I went to the uro-gyne dept in kings college hospital last week and was seen by a nice junior doc then,when I requested it,after uro-dynamics was seen by Linda Cardozo(this is who I had been refered to)
It was a horrible day because while in waiting room we found out my fil has a brain tumour.I really couldn't concentrate very well but ms Cardozo very bluntly told me that not only do I need a posterior and anterior repair,but also a vaginal hysterectomy which I was not prepared for.I asked why and she said I would be back needing one in 5-10 years and would cause the other repairs to possibly fail too.I'm 38 and have 4 kids so don't want any more.
I should have asked if she expects my abdominal adhesions found when doing last c-section to cause any problems but I wasn't thinking straight and she didn't give me chance.
Told nice gp and she's going to see if all is explained in letter when it arrives .
They said it'll be less than 3 months till op ,just hope that fil's treatment doesn't co-inside or to be fair to dh I may have to wait.
Did any of you have a hysterectomy at the same time as the other repairs?
Mine are quite bad I suppose( apart from uterus prolapse which is only mild) but I know I can't be the only one in this state!
Are any of you on vagifem btw,for that paper thin skin/sitting on broken glass feeling?It's local oestrogen and it really helps me.
take care all of you.

teedeeuk Fri 03-Jun-11 21:49:01

Welcome 14k to this board smile
So sorry to hear about your FIL, no wonder you couldn't concentrate very well at your consultation.
I didn't have a hysto with my repairs, although I did agree beforehand that if surgeon thought it needed doing while he was 'in there' that it could be done.
Hopefully you'll get some more info when your GP gets the letter.
You are quite right that this whole thing is a bumpy road, but hopefully we will all have great results in the end.
In the mean time take care and will be looking out for your progress x

Rectdownunder Sat 04-Jun-11 04:58:16

Welcome *14K8 terrible news about yoru FIL. Keep us posted about what's happening with you.

Well ladies, I am no tthe wealth of information that I hoped to be. My husband took the afternoon off work to drive me 45 mins. to this appt. as we don't live in the city. When we get there we wait 15 mins. and then are told that the dr is at the hospital and having to do an emergency in the OR and would not be returning back to the clinic. What a bummersad I was hoping to find out about this discharge I am having which is getting worse BTW and is starting to smell off. I was told to take an oral dose of yeast meds and then if it is not gone by Monday then it must be another type of infection and he will swab me then. I have been fitted in for Monday as he needs to see me right away. I didn't want to be fitted in as I will end up waiting for over an hour and then he might not have time to answer my questions. So my husband and i went shopping and tehn had a dinner date and now I am so worn out. Must relax now and get some sleep. Talok to you all in the morning.

Footle Sat 04-Jun-11 11:19:05

Hello 14k, nice to meet you , and sorry to hear about what must have been a horrible day. Mobiles are ( not always ) so amazing - how overwhelming to be hit with that news in that situation. I've heard of Linda Cardozo - sounds as if her bedside manner isn't that great ? Still, that's not what you want her for.

Yes there are people here who've had hyst+ant+post repairs , you aren't alone ! Have a good read through this whole thread ( if you can stand it ) and also the previous thread , another 1000 messages on the same inspiring topic. Of course the timing will be a family decision but your own health comes pretty high up the list when you're coping with a big family crisis.

It's good to have all these comments about pads as it's 7 years since I finished having periods and I didn't use pads much anyway. I've even been wondering about tearing up old sheets ... at the moment I'm just wearing my usual cotton knickers and changing them and my trousers as often as necessary , because of the fire in my fanny. I use Surcare washing powder which is supposed to be gentle. And we have a bidet sort of thing so I can wash easily. 14k, thanks for mentioning Vagifem - I just asked a friend about it and she finds it helpful , so I'll go and ask the Dr.

Dawn , sorry your doctor couldn't see you after your journey and all . Is it the Dr who did the surgery ? I would really like to talk to my surgeon at this stage but I won't get to see him again, no follow-up here. I wish he was going to look at his handiwork in a couple of weeks' time and say Yes, that's just how it should look . It would be reassuring. You'll tell us what yours says on Monday won't you ?

Jewel, you better today ? Hope you get to the wedding and it's fun.

l4k Sat 04-Jun-11 19:22:05

Thank you for the replys,
Linda Cardozo isn't the kindest or most approachable doctor I've ever met but it's her surgical expertise I'm interested in!
Can't believe I've already recieved another appointment at king's for an ultrasound(i think) on wednesday,that's quick!
Just hope it doesn't co-inside with fil results appointment or will prob have to cancel.
Will look back in thread to see how others got on with what I've come to call"a job lot op"!I'll have to have a think and see if there is anything else they can do while they are in there!
You are all doing such a good job supporting each other,good for yousmile

Rectdownunder Sun 05-Jun-11 02:37:44

Footle My doctor is also the surgeon. He has surgery days Thursdays and Fridays, that is why he books his post op appointments on Thursdays and Fridays 2 weeks later. This why he was called back to hospital for an emergency and ended up in the OR. I guess the good thing is he is there if you need him and if I was in the position that the person needing him was in, I would certainly appreciate it. I was just disappointed is all. His regular clinic days are Mon, Tues, Wed. and those appointments are often quite booked up, so to get fitted in is just going to make it a very long day for me. My husband wanted to be there with me to hear how things are and ask some questions, but he might not be able to take Monday off. I still don't know if I am supposed to drive or not. I think I am perfectly fine to drive there on my own. I don't really want to have a friend take me there, I just feel so uncomfortable with that for some reason. I know they won't be coming into see the dr with me, but it just bothers me that I need a babysitter I guess?sad I will elt you nwo how things go on Monday after appointment.

14K Can I ask you how old you FIL is? How did he find out he had a brain tumour? Must be so scary for everyone right now. I hope you can manage all the stress right now, your life must be a bit frantic. Please take care of yourself and keep in touch with us, talk to us about anything you need to, it really helps me out and I know I appreciate all the ladies here.
Have good weekends everyone.smilewine

blue11 Sun 05-Jun-11 13:12:36

Happy Sunday Ladies,
I have been following your ups and downs the past few days whilst feeling sorry for myself, it helps a lot and I feel we know each other so well now, isnt it good we can learn from, share and support each other.
Any men that get to read this are the ones that are already good OH's, and clearly are caring enough to want to learn more about what ''their'' partner has been/is going through. Am I right in saying this is far worse than normal childbirth and a C-Section. I remember I had a terrible chest infection following my c-section and could hardly cough but this is far worse. Those of you with colds it must be unbearable with the coughing. The damage/pain I get if I dont get time to prepare for a sneeze just awful.
Those of you that have had/are on antibiotics what sort of symptoms did you experience and what stage were you put on them? I am day 17 and the pain - razor blade, is worse now more than ever along with the swelling inside. xx

Footle Sun 05-Jun-11 15:28:50

Blue , I don't want to make you bluer but only you know how much you overdid things at the beginning. Could you get the GP to refer you to the surgeon for a check-up ? If it's worse now than before, it doesn't sound right does it ? I'm 3 weeks and 4 days and my energy is definitely better and the pain less over the last week, though my spirits are rather low. BTW I'm SO pleased I stopped using pads , they were definitely making things worse even though there's more washing this way. I'm not sure about the comparison with various kinds of childbirth - it's so hard to know about pain levels even in your own past, let alone other people's. But I've certainly seen an overall improvement as the days have gone by. Time to get some answers ?

Rectdownunder Sun 05-Jun-11 16:52:54

Blue, I was put on antibiotics right after surgery and then for a week after. Having a TVT puts you at such high risk for infection, so that is the reason they do that. I Think I may have developed an infection now though and will find out tomorrow at the drs. As far as apin goes, at this point, I am feeling pretty good. I am just over two weeks post op and everyday I have less pain, can move better and seem to need pain relief even less. I am quite pleased how things are coming along really, I do get frustrated that I still can't lift things and do the things I used to, but I want this to heal properly, so I deal with it. I think you should ses a dr for a swab and find out about infection or like Footle says, see if you can get in to see the surgeon. Good luck with everything and try taking pain relief on a regular basis for a couple of days and see if that helps. Also take an anti-inflamatory, like ibruprofen to help with swelling. Take it easy and try to keep your spirits up. I like to watch comedies when I feel down, it can help.

MegGriffin Sun 05-Jun-11 19:31:18

Hello All. Just popping in quickly.
Rect Good luck tomorrow
blue I was put on anti-biotics 2 weeks, 3days post op for an infection. My symptoms were bleeding which although wasn't heavy, was not stopping, a smell and a general aching around my pubic bone area. Hope you are ok and go to the doctor to get it checked.
I'm so tired at the moment although feeling better since finishing anti-biotics. Today my abdomen,lower back and front of my thighs hurt so I guess I have over done it. I'm going to walk the children to school for the first time tomorrow (4 weeks post op tomorrow). Its a twenty minute ish walk round trip so will be fine. I am also going to drive for the first time next week as I only now feel strong enough to.
Love to you all xx

jobo84 Sun 05-Jun-11 19:54:22

hi i didn't realise so many people were going through the same thing. I am due to have an operation later this year, i am 27 and have had 3 children and have 2 stepchildren. I have my consultation with my specialist on the 2nd of august to talk about the op etc. I have got a long intersussception (if anyone knows what that is) a 3.5 inch rectocele, my bladder has collapsed and i have a full vaginal prolapse, i have been told my options, had good and bad news, alot of ups and downs and i haven't even been back to my specialist yet. I am very scared over what i am going through and could do with some advice on how to cope, what to expect etc, thats if you all don't mind. My husband is great support, but he doesn't fully understand what i go through everyday. Could just do with talking to someone who may understand me, thanks jo.

Rectdownunder Sun 05-Jun-11 22:09:32

Welcome Jo I am 45 years old, have 6 children and 1 stepson. I had all vaginal births. I am 2 and a bit weeks post op. I had a rectocele (prolapsed bowel), cystocele(prolapsed bladder) and a TVT ( a mesh sling around the urethra to prevent bladder leakage). I am doing very well now, my bowels work again for the first time in almost 7 years. So far no leakage from the bladder, but my dr told me the cystocele repair won't last, maybe 2-3 years tops. It was just too difficult to find tissue to sew it to. He ended up sewing it to the inner cervix and also told me that sex will be a little bit more painful and difficult at first because of this. Not that for any of these repairs sex is not painful because it is at first, this will just take longer. It is important that you take it real easy in the beginning nad work your way up to activity. The dr told me no lifting anythin gover 10 pounds for 6-8 weeks. Of course ther are other things too that you shouldn't do, mostly just resting and healing for 6 weeks. It takes teh stictches up to 8 weeks to dissolve, so no sex either. I was scared to death to have this surgery and in fact waited 2 years trying to decide. Then I cancelled one of the procedures, then changed my mind after finding this forum. I have no regrets having this done, it has been the best thing for me. The actual surgery took 2 hours and then I was back in my room feeling great !!! I had a spinal block with mine instead of general, so awesome. They can give you sedation if you like with it and then it goes by so quickly and you feel so calm and relaxed. I was wide awake during recovery and then back to my room. The pain relief from the spinal block lasted 20 hours, so I was up walking around that night and everything was great. The next morning they removed teh catheter, IV and the packing. When the spinal wore off I took percacet for a day, then went home 2 days after op with tramadol and diclofenic. Pain was tolerabe, I guarantee I have felt worse. Childbirth definitely worse. So that is all i can think of about my experience. A small price to pay to get fixed up after all the suffering I have done for 6-7 years.

Good luck with everything and keep posting questions for us and let us know your fears, it will help you. bye for now.

Footle Sun 05-Jun-11 22:37:11

Jo, you have such a lot going on - I'm a much older woman ( 63 ) recovering from a rectocele repair so I don't have much to say that will help , except that doing nothing is not an option ! If you read through this thread so far you will see who has similar problems , but there are more stories on the previous thread - can someone link to it ?

One thing you can be sure of is that you are going to need serious help with the children and in the house, probably for a good 6 or 8 weeks - but you probably need that at the moment with what's happened to you. I'm surprised you have to wait so long with an intussusception ( I just looked that spelling up, but I know what it is ) as I thought it would be an emergency ? Great that you've got things started anyway , and have a good man. You may feel like showing him this thread as you get more useful answers - and as you get further on with treatment you will be able to help other people too.

Footle Sun 05-Jun-11 22:46:31

Meg, hope you manage the walk tomorrow without getting too tired. I was out on my own today for a couple of hours , walked 5 mins to the station, had 10 minute train ride , did a little bit of shopping - nothing heavy - and then sat in a cafe till the next train. Came home and had to lie down for a couple more hours. But I couldn't have done this a week ago. You sound a lot happier !

blue11 Sun 05-Jun-11 23:11:52

thanks Dawn and Meg, I know I pushed myself a lot at the beginning but did avoid the main no nos! I was also doing quite well with little pain relief or discharge. Even though I had the barbed wire I could cope but it has gone backwards now and from what you are saying I do feel I have an infection. Will speak to GP in morning hopefully. Good luck Dawn tomorrow - keep us posted and Meg will think of you on the school walk< I bet the kids will be chuffed things are getting back to normal.
Jobo, welcome, you have a lot to think about at the moment, it is going to be a big ordeal but planning up front will make such a difference. Dont be afraid to ask anything on here - there is such a lot of information and some lovely ladies.
I am glad you have a good husband, it will be tough on him too but it will bring you even closer in the long term I am sure. It is surprising you are not going back until August to the consultant, maybe he/she is off on holiday before..... will you have someone to help with the children?

Rectdownunder Mon 06-Jun-11 08:13:08

Jo Footle is absolutely right about your condition being an emergency. I looked up intussuseption and I am wondering a few things as I don't understand why they have not treated you already for it, with either surgery or enema. What were your symtoms and did they lead you to go to the doctor? How did the dr diagnos the intussuseption? It is very rare in adult woman to have one of these as 90% of them occur in infants and more commonly boys. Was all the issues diagnosed at the same time? Do you still have symptoms of the intussuseption? Are they really waiting on it till August or did they say at the moment it has corrected itself and they are just watching it to see if it returns? You do understand what it is they say you have don't you? Aren't you worried it may end up blocking your intestine and then possibly perforating the bowel or becoming necrotic? These are life threatening. I don't think that the intussuseption is anything you have to think about fixing, it has to get fixed immediately!!!!!!!!! So please help me out in understanding why you are being put off until August. Did the dr explain to you what was happening in your intestine? How were you diagnosed? If I were you I would be frantically angry about this, that is why as I write this I am shocked and upset. If I were in your shoes, I would be seeking a second opinion immediately. As far as rectocele and other vaginal prolapses, they are not life threatening, just a royal pain in the arse. I know you were seeking some advice in how to cope and i would love to ease your mind and help in some way, but I really don't know how I would cope with a dr ignoring a life threatening condition. Help yourself and go to another dr or to an emergency department. As far as the other conditions I would certainly go in and have them fixed as soon as possible. I believe that there is more light at the end of the tunnel if you get all fixed up, quality of life will improve. You mentioned that the dr told you that the news was good and bad, would you feel comfortable sharing what that is with us? I hope my rant hasn't scared the hell out of you. Take care my dear. I feel so bad for you.

Rectdownunder Mon 06-Jun-11 08:40:19

Jo and anyone else who read my last post or shall I say panic rant. I did some more research and found the following on a website about "rectal intussusception" which is different than an" intestinal intussusception" Apparently all of us who had a rectocele that did not protrude outside of the anus had a rectal intussusception. The following is copied form the website I found:

A prolapse occurs when an organ falls or sinks out of its normal anatomical place. The pelvic organs normally have tissue (muscle, ligaments, etc.) holding them in place. Certain factors, however, may cause those tissues to weaken, leading to prolapse of the organs. The rectum is the last out of six divisions of the large intestine; the anus is the opening from the rectum through which stool exits the body. A complete rectal prolapse occurs when the rectum protrudes through the anus. If rectal prolapse is present, but the rectum does not protrude through the anus, it is called occult rectal prolapse, or rectal intussusception. In females, a rectocele occurs when the rectum protrudes into the posterior (back) wall of the vagina.

Sorry about panicking earlier, but I had never heard of intussusception used for rectocele before. It has always been posterior repair or herniated bowel.
Well now my advice to you would be to get your life organized, start taking care of your body now to prepare for surgery and make sure you have a support in place for helping around the house etc. after your op. I was diagnosed with the same troubles yo have and like I said before, so glad I had the op. I really am the most frightened person I know when it comes to surgery and I got through it and I am older than you. You will probably heal up a lot quicker than some of us. You could suggest to your husband to read about this type of injury and the surgical procedures that are done to fix it, also about recovery times etc. My husband did and was so understanding. There that is more sound of me isn't

Bye for now.

l4k Mon 06-Jun-11 10:44:14

Rect-thanks for the concern.Fil is a fit 68,had been having memory problems for a couple of weeks and couple of days of headache and vomiting ,then became confused.When he went to docs they sent him to hospital and he stayed to have ct and mri over next couple of days.Found out it was a brain tumour a week last thursday, then had biopsy last tues.
I hope your appointment has gone well.How are you managing all of this with 7 children/teenagers?

jobo84 Mon 06-Jun-11 11:46:18

HI, thankyou for all your messages, its great to et others point of view on my problems. I had to go to the royal london hospital to have a series of special tests done, all rather embarrassing, one in particular showed me what happens when i go to the loo, they used a barium fluid, mixed with porridge oats that i had to be filled with then use a special toilet to be x-rayed as i went to the loo, it shows on a very soft stool i can only empty 70% of my bowel, my colon folds over itself and forms a pocket (like a sleave doubling over)which bulges into my vaginal wall as does the rectocele, which then causes a domino effect for my bladder etc.
My youngest is 20 months old,i have a 4,8,11 and 12 year old too (11 and 12) year old not mine, stepchildren.
I did have an appointment on the 19th july but the hospital had to cancel and reschedule.
I have been told that without the surgery in about 10 years i would end up having to have a bag fitted. If the ops (i say ops because i may have to have my work done separatley explain after) dont work i may have to have a hysterectomy or self catheterise for the rest of my life.
I have a blood clotting disorder, i have had so many blood tests i have lost count, the cannot find out why my blood is so thin, i wasn't allowed epidurals in labour, not that it mattered as they were all pretty quick deliveries, so this obv worries me a bit more going in for surgery. The surgeons have said that it would be a lot of work for someone with my condition.
I have been told however by my gynae and physio that i have good pelvic muscle tone,it just cant hold anything up because of my problems. So after my ops with good physio and with age on my side the worst may not happen and all could go back to as normal as possible.
Doesn't stop me being so scared though, i did break down when i got news about hysterectomy,catheter etc, as thats a lot for someone my age to deal with, i try not to get upset as it affects my family, my husband hates to see me cry as do the kids. Am holding it together though. Prob have to see my consultant alone on 2nd of august though as its summer hols and with 5 kids its hard to get babysitter,but i know he will be there when i get home.
At the moment thats all i can remember about what i have been told, i am sure there is more.
jo x

jobo84 Mon 06-Jun-11 11:48:07

I would like to lose a little weight before ops if anyone has some good advice for this, would be great. Am not seriously overweight, just still got some baby tummy etc to lose.

Footle Mon 06-Jun-11 18:28:01

Hi Jo , you sound as if you've got good medical help and are actually coping really well with a mountain of symptoms and info . I hope you have got someone you can cry on , and hope your husband has friends he can at least relax with even if discussing it with them isn't an option. It would be so good if you could take him with you for the appt in August - it must be hard to take in all that they're telling you.

Weight loss ... I lost 3 stone last year and have kept it off so far by going low carb but it's really hard to manage that with family around . And anyway , if you have this blood disorder it's presumably really important to eat well so maybe that's a bigger consideration than losing a bit of baby-tummy ?

blue11 Tue 07-Jun-11 13:33:18

Hi Jo, well we have all learnt a lot with the help of Dawn, thanks to her for researching this. It is not fair that you are going through this the only thing you can do is be prepared. If things do worsen whilst you are waiting for your appointment do not be afraid to contact your consultant's secretary, or of course get in touch with your GP and they will hopefully act for you. Do you have a good GP? it is not a condition you openly want to share with anyone yet I do hope you have more family/friends around you that you can confide in other than your husband and will ultimately be able to offer help and support afterwards. Stay here and you will make some good friends, have a good laugh and cry!
Dawn how are you? how did you get on? you come across as so organised and calm - love the sound of your job must be so rewarding. Meg how was the walk to school yesterday and everyone else how are you all feeling?
I am on antibiotics now, still very swollen inside and the barbed wire was awful yesterday was dosing up on painkillers for the shooting pain in my legs - was no nice at all, but has eased today. I never used to crave chocolate but now ugghhh i go in search of it in my daughters bedrooms, - what's that saying '' a little bit of what you fancy does you good'' is it just me?

Rectdownunder Tue 07-Jun-11 15:38:00

Hi everyone, I will start with responding to Jo. So when reading all that you are faced with it certainly is scary and upsetting. When I am faced with those kinds of dilemmas. I like to research and empower myself with information. I would think for you, the scary part of the surgery is the blood clotting disorder you have. I can see why they may do them seperately. The good news for you though, these types of surgeries for the average person without a clotting disorder are quite safe, in there is minimal blood loss. I would think that would help a lot in your case The other portion of this, if you don't have the op, then in 10 years you might need to be fitted with a bag. If they don't work you will need a hysterectomy. Okay, well I think that I woulld see it as no choice but to have the surgery, if you didn't want to deal with the bag. It is extrememly likely that your surgery will work, so don't even think about what might or might not happen. Why is having a hysterectomy such an awful thing for you? I mean I know so many woman who want nothing more than to have a hysterectomy. I don't understand why they told you this??? I am trying to understand what having this surgery fail and having a hysterectomy have to do with each other. Is your uterus still in ot's place, like has it started to prolapse yet? Try doing some research about this and not from froums where people are expressing their horrible experiences with these kinds of things. i found so many of those before finding this thread. Good luck!
Blue Thanks for the compliments, I am not always so calm, I was freaking out before deciding to have the surgery, but once I make a decision, I feel calmer and stick with it. Yes I am organized (OCD) Lol... I do enjoy my photography work most of the time, I get the odd client that is never pleased with anything and I usually just give them their money back and they are still not happy. Oh well. That only happens maybe once a year. How are you feeling these days after some rest? Hope your spirits are up, that is a big part of recovery. About your chocolate cravings, well I get them too and Julia Child once said, "everything in moderation, including moderation"

I went to the dr yesterday and things are looking really good. He had to check it out with a speculum. I was very concerned about that, but it wasn't too bad. Hurt a bit, he was lookign to see that the stitches were healing up and to make sure that the anterior wall was not adhereing to the posterior wall. He said that does happen sometimes. I can't remember who it was that posted the question about putting your finger in the vagina to prevent it from healing top to bottom was right. My dr has now recommended that I start stretching the vagina as it is really tight. He explained this to my husband. He said you could buy a set of stretchers that gradually increase in size to get back to normal. He also said that an alternative to this as it is cheaper is to use cucumbers. I burst into laughter as i didn't expect to hear that and he he said that he was serious, they work really well, just don't eat them afterwards. Well cucumberville, here I come!!blush he said that they are more soothing as they are cold and that will help with the discomfort. I have to go back to see him on July 6th adn until then he said no sex. My husband is scared tio hurt anything there, so he is going to help me with stretching exercises. My hubby put some cream on his finger and wanted to see how far the stitches go erc. he said that he can feel the stitches as far up as the cervix. I had no idea what was happening in there, wow! Anyway, the discharge is still a bit of yeast and hormonal discharge, no infection, yeahsmile. I am allowed to drive again and increase my activity. Still no lifting and he said that tap dancing would still be too much at this point. So long of a post I know, but I just had so much news to get out there. Thanks all for everything. Happy healing and happy posting!smile

Footle Tue 07-Jun-11 19:51:20

Dawn I'm so envious that your Dr has looked at his handiwork and explained what you need to do next, etc. With no follow-up with the consultant I suppose I will have to go to the GP but she's not the one who did the work. No tap dancing eh ? I was doing Zumba but don't think I'll be going back to that for a long while - can't imagine having that much energy, never mind the high impact.

I think Jo said her womb is prolapsing so that would explain the possible hysterectomy ... Jo, I know it's easy for someone else to say but as Dawn says, is a hysterectomy so awful ? It's such an ugly word , maybe that makes it worse ! My sister had one at 29 because she had cervical cancer : she'd only had one child and was devastated, but that was because she terribly wanted more children.

Hope everyone's doing well. Do any of you UK people have follow-ups with your surgeons ?

teedeeuk Tue 07-Jun-11 20:59:44

Hello everyone!
Blue I do hope your antiB's will help with some of that pain, and I wholeheartedly applaud the use of chocolate for mood enhancing smile
Rect what a fantastic mine of information you are! It was me that was asking about the 'fingers in vagina' thing. My consultant recommended it. He didn't say anything about cucumbers though. I had a tentative feel myself a few days ago and was quite squeamish about the sheer amount of stitches in there.. How long ago was your surgery? I can't imagine a speculum exam for a while yet.
Footle I'm in the UK and have a follow up with my consultant (NHS) but whether this is because he does it routinely or because I had complications after surgery I do not know.
I am feeling a bit crap today to be honest, period has come and everything feels swollen again. I am medicating with plenty of painkillers and chocolate though!

teedeeuk Tue 07-Jun-11 21:01:24

sorry Footle should clarify that consultant is the surgeon who did my op.

Rectdownunder Tue 07-Jun-11 22:11:54

Footle indeed I am lucky to have the dr I have. I was referred to him by my GP and he has been great. The fact that he is the surgeon and does follow up even better and as long as I see him every 6 months, I won't need to be referred to him again. So you did Zumba, my friend goes to that and she loves it. I think that is great, so when you're feeling up to the impact, I would go back. I know I am not really very good right now with the jumping. To ask about tap dancing was a bit optimistic on my part. There really is no way I could jump around very much. I am just anxious to test out the TVT and see if it worked.
teedee when I went to the dr and found out that he was putting a speculum in, I was almost in tears. I in fact started begging him, "please no" I said. He promised me that it wouldn't hurt and he is good with his promises. My husband just told me to lie down and he would hold my hand. The dr used a small speculum on me as he thought I was too tense. I really got scared when the dr took his scissors out, but that was to clip three of my stitches that were not dissolved but causing me some grief as they were pulling the perineum and causing some bleeding. I was healed, but the stitches were still intact. I feel relief now from not having them there. I don't really feel the internal ones bothering me at all. I feel energized about the fact that I am healing up really well. I thought it would be so much worse than it turned out. I am tired today though as I did too much after all the promising news. I am not super woman and have to keep that in mind. After all still only 2 and 1/2 weeks post op. IO think the fact that my husband and kids did everything for the first two weeks, I really had a chance to rest up and get well, I really owe it to them.

I hope you ladies have as good a post op visit as I had. Like Footle asked, are there any follow ups with your surgeon? Were any of your gynecologists surgeons? Well I better go now, want to have a little rest and do some knitting.
Talk to you

jobo84 Wed 08-Jun-11 00:10:27

I think the hysterectomy news hit me quite hard because i found out how bad may conditions were within 24 hours of each other, one appt after the next, it was just one bit of bad news after the next, to have a hysterectomy wouldnt be hugely bad no, but that would mean a third operation, they each have a 12 week (so have read) full recovery, please correct me if i am wrong. That means for 9 months of my life i will not be able to be there properly for my kids, my youngest being 21 months old. My husband, runs his own art business where sometimes he has to travel, unfortunatley i dont have much family help.
My closest is my mum who is over an hour away in london, she works full time and after she walked out when i was 13 we dont have the best relationship.
My sister is due her first baby in september and is over 2 hours away, cant expect anything from her, would be wrong to even consider it. My nan is ill, and the rest of my family are up in yorkshire. I live in kent, right at he end of it.
I am not a winger btw, am just replying to comments etc. I cope very well with life without their help though, my 8YO was diagnosed with epilepsy just before her birthday in march, still trying to remember that not everything is as easy as it used to be, but she has handled it so well. I have a good network of friends that i can depend on where i live though, all have offered their help, but i dont like to take the p***.
My mum,aunt and nan have all had to have repairs, but none of them have been as bad as mine, lucky me. The reason i may have to have a hysterectomy is because my bowel has collapsed on to my womb etc, that collapsed on to my bowel. I had my bladder scanned to see the damage and they checked my residual amount, i had 500ml left in my bladder after going to the loo. They are thinking that my bowel may have done too much damge that even after repair my bladder may just need more room so would have to make space by giving me a hysterectomy, is basically what i could make of it. Like i said, i get alot of info thrown at me and i have to digest it all and then try to remeber the important words etc.
In 24 hours i got this news:
Long intussussception (they are going to have to remove part of my colon)
3.5 inch rectocele (not tragic)
can only empty 70% of my bowel on a very soft stool
vaginal prolapse
bladder prolapse
possible 3 ops not just the 1 i was thinking of
hysterectomy (not too bad but wouldnt i have to have hrt etc?)
self catheterization up to op and maybe rest of life (am 27)
I just wanted some good news,had heard enough. I dont want anymore kids, i know i have enough, and besides my body cant take it.
I do loads of research, but sometimes i wonder whats right and whats not, strangely i am looking forward to seeing my consultant to clear all this up and get my answers of what i need done re bowel. Have seen gynae and he says i need op but wont touch me until bowel is sorted, understandably.
So tired, manic school run at 8.20, should be asleep by now

Rectdownunder Wed 08-Jun-11 05:58:09

Jo Well I guess that it a lot to take in at once. I woudl be very scared nad upset too. I know when I had my first consult, things looked a lot worse than they actually were. I was supposed to have a hysterectomy, bladder repair, bowel repair, and enterocele repair, which is when you have Enterocele is a protrusion of the small intestines and peritoneum into the vaginal canal. The surgery was going to take 8 hours and they would have to enter through the abdominal muscles and have mesh put in to support all the problems. As it turned out, things didn't end up being as bad as the first consult. The dr decided that because my utrerus was not prolapsing enough to be taken out vaginally, he would just leave it in and offered me an ablation to stop my periods. He could then go in through the vagina to fix the bladder and bowel and also put the TVT in. He has left the enteroclel for now as it hasn't caused me too much problems so far. So I was quite relieved when on the second consult, there was an entirely different option of approach available to me. Now, I am 45 and my parents have been dead for years, have no siblings or relatives besides my kids and husband. I live in the country and had to be stranded here as I couldn't drive until yesterday. To be honest with you, it wasn't that bad at all and I had it in my head that I would be bed ridden for weeks and all that, but really, it is nothing like that.
If you have a hysterectomy through the vagina, the recovery is 4 weeks max. My friend had her hysterectomy done that way and she was playing baseball in two weeks time, she was 30 at the time of her op. You younger ladies really do heal up faster. You will likely have your hysterectomy through the vagina because it is already prolapsing. Where as mine is not low enough or lose enough for that. Now I would think that if you have the work done vaginally like most rectocele and cystocele repairs, your recovery time is not going to be that long. I mean when they say fully recovered that is feeling completely 100%. I am almost 3 weeks post op and had three surgeries done at once and I feel about 80% right now. I can manage just fine. I think 12 weeks to recover from each is really long. If you only had let's say a bladder repair through the anterior vaginal wall, you would be feeling great after probably a week, my dr says that is usually around a two week recovery time, but lifting and all that is still not allowed for 6 weeks. So to be honest and put your mind at ease, the recovery time does vary for each individual, but I would really think at your age even with the clotting disorder, you will be up and going in no time. I know I am not your dr and don't know the ins and outs of your situation, but I am basing my opinion on what I have heard from my friends and dr and from my own experience. Even if it did take a total of 9 months to recover, it is not all done at once and it really is a very short period of time compared to a lifetime. In your case quality of lifetime. I wish I could say something to help you feel better because I would not want to be in your shoes and don't pretend to even know how you feel. Our own troubles always seem so horrible because they are ours and we must deal with them whether we want to or not and that just makes us feel so powerless, but things could always be worse. My friend's best friend was just diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer three days ago and she is only 34 and has a 6 month old daughter. When I hear that kind of thing, I just feel awful and thank God for all the great things in my life.
I wish for you to have some peace of mind and to feel better about things. Take care and I'm sure in time the reality of this will settle in more and you will likely be able to deal with it in a better frame of mind. Keep posting and expressing your thoughts.

Footle Wed 08-Jun-11 11:29:02

Dear Jo
Huge hugs.

Flowers40 Wed 08-Jun-11 12:07:57

Hi all,

Jobo, sorry to hear you have had this diagnosis.. I had the anterior and posterior repair and hysterectomy plus cervix removed on 26th april. I am now 5 weeks post op. My story is on the other thread, you should go back and read that thread if you can, I have read lots since having this done, prob not as much as I should have before

Well it sounds like you will need to go for it at some point, question is when? How badly does this affect you in your day to day life? Have they said you can put it off? My surgeon/cons said I could put mine off for around 5 years but I chose to go ahead now as I knew I was losing my job and that I could slow my life down for a little while. You cannot slow down young children though.. so you will need to make your decisions based on that. I am 40 and have found it hard but not too bad. Ups and downs. 5 weeks post op and I have now begun to feel like me again. You will certainly need help with the school run etc for at least 2-4 weeks if the other mums would help. Why not ask them now?

See what things you will absolutely 'have to' do post op and if you can factor in definite help with those things. How long will the gaps be between the ops? Maybe ask for longer gaps? The main thing to avoid is lifting but your youngest will be at least 2 by then so you can prob avoid lifting him/her.

They have left my ovaries in place so this will delay onslet of early menopause. No reason they cant do that for you too. I am not ready to be a dried up old lady just yet (even tho I may end up with a false too/partial denture soon, yikes, and I also now have a shopping trolley and dont mention to anyone but I have a cat too) Hopefully this will keep it at bay. You are even younger than me (Im 40) so Rect is right, you will heal quickly. Rect has given you lots of good advice and info so soak it all in (isnt she amazing?) and ask questions when you can. I found they didn't give me lots of info so I found out what I could for myself. Several ladies where I used to work had had stuff done so I spoke to them in private. They were happy to share, as is everybody on here and there are others forums too.

Hope once the news sinks in and you analyse your options you will feel better and clearer on what needs to happen. I found once I got to the point of surgery I was pretty calm and ready (even tho I nrly cancelled in the waiting room, but I think we all did that)... Coming on here and discovering those feeling and fears are normal will help you no end. Its tough being a female but we are and have to get on with it. Luckily we can find others we have been through it and who will hold our hands as we go.

Big hugs from me too xoxox

Rectdownunder Wed 08-Jun-11 15:28:13

Flowers and Footle you both are such kind ladies. You have such compassion for people. I like that you offer hugs and understanding to Jobo. I tend to get factual about things and that doesn't always come across as compassionate. Jo forgive me if I sound too cool about things. I am as emotional as anyone else and I forget that sometimes listening is better than advice. I hope your are feeling better today and I want to offer you hugs also.
Flowers you sound great! I am so impressed or shall I say proud of you for getting along as you have, under the circumstances. Question for you, was your uterus removed vaginally? How are you feeling at this point of recovery, on a scale of 1-10?
Footle how are you feeling on a scale of 1-10? You are only 4 weeks post - op correct?
So ladies, I must say that the vaginal stretching exercises are not going to be easy. I have just asked my husband to help with the whole thing and just using his index finger to try and stretch is not very comfortable. I really don't know how long it takes to get back to a place where you can have intercourse again, but right now it seems far off. Lubricant stings the area so bad it feels like itis on fireshock So I had to scrap that idea. When trying to stresch it, I begin to feel like soemting is going to tear and it feels bruised, so afterwards I feel similar down there to when I was 1 week post-op. I took some pain relief and feel pretty good this morning, no swelling or anything like that, a little achey, but very tolerable. What a strange thing to talk about, "stretching the vagina"blushwhat we woman have to endure, Lol...
On another note, I am trying to wean myself off the laxatives. I quit taking the senna ( bowel stimulator) as that is the one my dr said will create a dependancy in order for the bowels to work. I am still taking the stool softener though, but only half as much as before and loads of fibre and water. The end result (haha) well it was not as easy to go as it was before. I found it a bit frustrating and wondered if it would ever happen, but it did and it wasn't too painful.

That's all for now, smile

Flowers40 Wed 08-Jun-11 16:51:07

Hi rect,

Thank you for your kind comment, and for all of you for your support and nice stuff you say... its so touching

On a o-10 scale would say I am a 7 today as bit sore again, but that is because of the classic overdoing it last 2 days following on from the wknd where I felt great and almost like my old self.. As has been said many times on here it is the mistake it's so easy to make, so hard not to think you are 'better' now and launch into normal levels of activity and then pay the price..

Yes my uterus was removed vaginally. To those who were asking, I also had the same guy as consultant/surgeon and I have a follow up with him early in july. Footle I cant believe you dont get a post op check at all, that beggars belief... I need mine cos need to hear it has worked and not re-prolapsed etc, cant you somehow request one?

Interesting ideas re cucumbers etc, how far post op are you again rect? I dont feel ready to try that or anything like it tho as I said before I do poke about when in the bath..

Rect I got constipated yesterday, first time since op, god it scared me half to death and was quite painful... I stopped the laxative couple of weeks ago cos it tasted yuk

speak later ladies xox

Rectdownunder Wed 08-Jun-11 17:24:21

Flowers, I am 3 weeks post-op tomorrow. It was a recommendation from the dr to begin stretching the vagina. You and I both have had the anterior and posterior done, this makes it even tighter than just having one or the other done. you will start stretching whne you feel up to it. I am not sure I am up to it yet after last night, so I plan to take it quite slow. It seems to hurt the most at the opening, that is where it is tightest according to the dr. I also find it painful near the top of the vagina as well.

I am afraid of getting constipated and after your experience I am going ot do my best to try and prevent that. it is difficult though, I get tired of drinking so much water and drinking the fiber suppliment and watching everything I eat. The better I feel the less cautious I am about all of that.
I hope your bowels get back in order, I find bowels are an obssession since surgery, would be nice to ge them back to normal.
Take care everyone xoxo

Footle Wed 08-Jun-11 18:35:03

Sorry just a couple of points , haven't read all up to here yet.
Dawn / Rect, the lubricant - was it KY Jelly ? they have changed the formulation of that and LOTS of women including me ( dried up old woman that I am NOT , but yes I do normally need lubricant , Flowers you rude girl ) are allergic to it. But there are other types available : have a look around and ask your GP too. We use something called Yes , which comes in either water base or oil base. There's another called Sylk which you can get prescribed. I'm quite sure all of us will need some lube at least for a while, so it's worth knowing the brand leader is not the only kind.
Following your OH's example to Boldly Go, Dawn, my OH tried gently with his finger today. I found the entrance very painful on one side , and a sort of period crampy feel when he got further in , but not much discomfort from the inner stitches. The pain at the entrance is a worry, and the feeling of the perineum being rigid and not at all stretchy. But OH wasn't traumatized, and neither was I ! Cucumbers can wait. I'm not comfortable enough to drive, though I'm mentally fit ...
On a scale of 10 being back to normal I'd say I'm about 5 today , overdid it with some shopping this morning and then this afternoon had coffee with a friend in the village with her toddler , and ended up going to the playground and standing getting cold for too long.
About laxative (Movicol ) - I take one sachet a day , and the consultant /surgeon ( he's both ) said that he expects I will always need it. So long as I can always GET it, and one sachet a day is always going to be enough, this isn't a problem. I'm old enough not have to pay for prescriptions.
Flowers , I really feel I need the surgeon to look and see if it looks right. I'm going to wait a couple of weeks and ask the GP if I can be referred just for my peace of mind, but I suspect it will either be a No , or a very non-urgent appt that may take months.

Footle Wed 08-Jun-11 18:39:15

PS The surgeon did tell me not to try having penetrative sex for about 12 weeks because he had really had to stretch the tissue that's there , but that I mustn't put it off any longer than that or it might be difficult to start again. A bit of a balancing act ( so to speak ) but our sex life is very important to us and we'll sort it out.

Footle Wed 08-Jun-11 20:18:01

In fact the lubricant we used is Sylk , no petrochemicals listed , and natural-sounding ingredients. I bought it over the counter but it can also be prescribed so presumably it's thought to be safe. I'm quite sensitive to stuff but have no problem with this , and it lubricates well.

Rectdownunder Wed 08-Jun-11 21:01:14

Thanks Footle, I will try to find a different lubricant. The only kinds I have really noticed are KY and that was the one that burned on application and the knock-off no name brands. I will look closer at the store and see what they have. Do you find it a bit frustrating that your surgery has made it seemingly so tight that it feels impossible to see sex in teh future? That is how I feel right now, somewhat discouraged I guess. I am also waiting on the cucumbers for now.
Sounds like you had quite a tiring day yesterday, I can relate to that also. Try to take it easier, but I knwo when you get out and feel pretty good, it is hard to control the level of activity, especially when you don't really know how much is too much until the next day.
In regards to getting in to see the surgeon for follow-up, perhaps try making an appointment right away, so in case it is a long wait, you can be a couple of weeks ahead. I don't know how the health system works there, but in Can. it can take a very long time to get into drs.
Today I am really tired and feel quite down. I am frustrated with my husband now because he is just going on like life was prior to op. On Monday, he has asked me to go with hiim to do an estimate for his reno project. and I said, "why, I am not working on it with you, " He still wants my help, he actually asked me to go to work with him yesterday to help with a granite tile job, can you believe that? I stayed home and did housework and stuff like that. I did not sleep well last night as I was uncomfortable from the stretching incident. I woke up at 2:00 am and couldn't sleep. I only slept 3 hours total and I had a nap today from 11-1grino. Hubby call s and asks me to go to town and get some tools he left at his last job. I told him I wasn't going to town, too tired to drive. He asked me what I did all day and I told him that I had a nap. He sounded disappointed and then said, "well maybe if you would get up and get the blood flowing, you wouldn't be so tired." I told him I had to go, said bye and hung up the phone. I just want to cry now, I am so upset with that comment. I feel like being a purposeful bitch now and not making dinner or doing anything. I am probably PMS or PMT right now, but I really am tired. Well enough whining, I better go and do something I guess. Have a great evening everyone.

Rectdownunder Wed 08-Jun-11 21:02:51

I am not sure why the giant smile emoticom came up in my last post, as it was supposed to be 1 pm., so that is what that means.

Footle Wed 08-Jun-11 21:13:43

Yeah, off you go and move a few granite tiles why don't you ? I thought the giant smile was you gritting your teeth ..

jewellerymum Wed 08-Jun-11 23:42:39

Hello Ladies
It's been a while because to be honest I have had nothing to say!!!
Last week was so busy so didn't have much time and now tings are pretty much back to normal so I don't have much to talk about!!! LOL!!!
The boys went back to school on Tuesday and I had a wonderful day. Was lovely to have as silent house! My mood was high and I made lots of jewellery!
Today however I have an 'end of period' stonker of a headache that has made me wince when I move but I have struggled through because yesterday felt so amazing, having a purpose again and not being a cabbage on the sofa!
Fortunately the awful pain I had last Friday did seem to all be linked to my period as by Sunday I felt back to pre-period again.
My stiches aren't really causing me any problems now at all. I don't have any pain or stinging, I guess my only moan is that the stitches are still there and I am getting bored of waiting for them to go!!!!
My hubbie and I were a little bit intimate last night and I am overjoyed to tell you that the AWFUL pain inside (when aroused (SORRY I'm blushing!))was not there this time. Phew!!! Obviously I was only partially involved and TBH I felt very unsatisfied! Damn these stitches!!
I must admit I was horrified when Dawn started talking about putting things inside her woohoo! It's only been three weeks that seems so scarey! It makes me shudder to think of anyone going near it! But then now you've made me worry that I might be really tight in there and never have sex again!! LOL. Perhaps when my period has completely finished I will think about it but even then it seems so wrong!!! Didn't realise I was so squeemish!
Anyway, as you can see, all is fine with me!!
Sorry I have nothing more interesting to talk about!!
I would quite like some of the ladies from the old post to talk about how long it took their stitches to go. But I don't think any of them have come over....

HAS ANYONE lost any stitches yet? FLOWERS how about you? You're a little ahead of us......

Much love to you all

jewellerymum Wed 08-Jun-11 23:44:52

Meg / Missing - Any info on stitches please x x x

Rectdownunder Thu 09-Jun-11 03:38:47

Footle that's funny!smile Well I talked with hubby and he thought that maybe I am PMS right now and I think he is right, but that still doesn't mean I want to be doing any tile setting. In fact I would say I am pretty much done with all the renovations stuff except job site clean up.
Jewel I know when you start to feel better than life takes over and like you day, nothing to report. I would still be very interested in hearing from you from time to time to know how you are getting along. Like you said, you wish some of the ladies from the older posts would come back and talk about their stitches, etc. I plan to let everyone know when the stitches dissolve and let them know when sex is possible again without feeling tense or sore or scared. Please keep in touch every now and then and let us know your updates.
Well I am horrified of cucumber therapy I must admit. I know the stretching has to be done though, so no pain, no gain. I will stick to hubby helping out for a while and take it very slow. I am impatient because I really am anxious to have intimacy with my husband again. well I have things to do before bed, so good night ladies. xoxo

Flowers40 Thu 09-Jun-11 11:18:12


SORRY Footle!! You know I didn't mean YOU! xoxo

Hey Jewel, good to see you pop back, glad everything is ok with you.. I have not lost any stitches yet apart from the one I lost on about day 3 that I dont think I was supposed to lose... I did have a little knotty bit just this morning tho so maybe that's the start of it. Think my infection set me back a week or so tho in my recovery as it was quite bad. I'm so glad you're feeling better tho, its a relief isn't it? I felt great last wknd, the sun was shining and I lay in the garden tanning and felt so alive again

I am also reluctant to get intimately acquainted with any cucumbers or anything else for that matter... feel sorry for you ladies with loving OH's who are dying to get back to it, it wont be long now! All I can hope for in that dept is that there are some dishy spanish waiters when I go on my hols I can perv over! Plus there's always my Eric! I would'nt want anything going up there until at least week 6, maybe after that I will get BOB out from under the bed where he's been hiding.

I seem to still have a pink bulge at the opening, its just as if it has never gone away which depresses me no end. Have to just wait for post op really to see if its normal or not but I don't feel very inspired it's gone or going. Oh well, i just want my life back whether it's worked or not and will see what the cons/surgeon makes of it. Footle that is why I can't believe your'e not getting a post op, its terrible, esp if you had TVT which I believe is more risky procedure as it involves introducing a foreign object to a very sensitive part of the anatomy. Do try and get seen 'somehow'...

Oh well I better get on with jobhunt (yawn), haven't done any this week yet and it soon be friday again! have a great day all, hope your all comfy!

Rectdownunder Thu 09-Jun-11 16:35:59

Morning ladies! or shall I say afternoon. I feel kind of blah today, quite sore in my joints and muscles. My arthritis and Fibro M act up near my period. I am starting to feel achy cramps down below also, which I don't think will be very pleasant this time around. Perhaps next month won't be as bad, as I will have healed more. My mood is quite sad. I feel like crying about everything. These are the days that I like to hide from people, so nobody will see me in this state of mind.
Missing haven't heard from you for a while. I know you must be back at work and managing your life again. If you come back on, I just wanted to see how you were getting along and if your stitches have come out yet.
There aren't as many posts these days, I always looked forward to reading everything, but I guess you're all healing up now and don't have the need to post. Hope I can have something to read later.
Good day everyone!smilesad

Footle Thu 09-Jun-11 22:52:13

I'm too sleepy to write much but like you Dawn, I've also been crying today and feel rather sorry for myself and pathetic. Can't wait for the stitches to vanish, and to be able to find how well this is going to work in the future. So far, I'm very pleased that I can poo straight and I just hope that goes on for the rest of my life.

jobo84 Thu 09-Jun-11 23:36:33

Thankyou rect for your info, your know so much, is better asking you for advice than my doctor, or bladder/bowel specialist, physio. You speak the truth and i like that, i dont want to be laid up for weeks and weeks on end, it 11.15pm and i have just stopped baking macaroons and a madiera cake. I am one of those that likes to keep busy. Thank you for all your useful information. Where did you get it all from though?
Flowers, footle and rect thank you for all your support, you are all so kind. I hope everyone is feeling ok, i have no idea how you are feeling (yet).
Day to day my condition is hard work really, i cant cough, i cant sneeze, i dont ever fully empty my bladder, and as for emptying my bowels, i have to assist myself to be able to, everything just falls down as soon as i try to go to the loo, i have been prescribed suppositries, but they give me terrible tummy ache and i have to have at least 45 mins to myself.
I do not know if i can put of the ops yet as i need to see my cons, roll on august. I would love to be able to go to the toilet without worrying tho (and have sex normally again)so will prob go ahead with them asap.
I am super tired so am going to go to bed now.
Take care all of you. xoxoxox

Rectdownunder Fri 10-Jun-11 00:57:03

Footle I agree, it really is nice to poo straight. Unless you have had to deal with a rectocele, one can not understand the sheer joy and amazement we get from this fix. I hope your spirits pick up, I know somewhat of how you feel. I also hope that I will have a sex life again. I really miss my husband in that way so much. Hugs xoxo

Rectdownunder Fri 10-Jun-11 01:14:15

Jo You are a busy woman, baking late. I think if you are a busy type and you have surgery, you may fear how you will deal with not being able to do anything. The truth is, the first week you don't really care if you do and then after that, you feel pretty good to the point that you can do other things.

I, like you, had major bowel issues, had to assist the stools out even if it was runny. I couldn't get it all out either, it would get caught in a pocket right above the perineum. My pee problems were terrible. I would pee when I sneezed, coughed, stepped down the stairs, I wore a maxi pad all the time. I smelled like a dirty diaper from urine. If I went pee, I would stand up to pull up my pants and urine would run down my leg. I felt like I had to pee every time I had sex. My husband noticed how this problem was affecting our sex life as I was too tense to enjoy it anymore. I have poo coming out straight now and no leakage now. Yeah smile I haven't had sex yet, but in time.

About recovery, I had an op a few years back where the lower abdominal muscle was cut and let me tell you, that was 100X more painful than the ops I just had. Still, it only took 2 weeks to feel better again to where I was really wanting to do things again. The most difficult part of recovery is the fact that you will feel good, but are still not supposed to do too much. My dr when I was deciding whether or not to have the ops, he explained in detail everything he was going to do and how the procedures were done and what to expect after. On Monday at my drs, he told me that I can now drive, I can lift up to 20 pounds now and get more active. He is thinking by 6 weeks I will be 100% I am 45 and healing really well. TBH I was told things would be worse than they ended up and I was pleasantly surprised with how it all went.

At this point, I hear you saying how fed up you are with all he difficulty these conditions cause you and they aren't going away, so you may as well go for it! I think if I was you and they could only do one at a time, then I would choose the one that I need fixing the most and start there. Good luck! Keep posting, if I failed to answer all your questions, forgive me I will read your post again.
Take care xoxo

Footle Fri 10-Jun-11 12:24:01

Dawn, you deserve a medal for services to gynaecological enlightenment.

Rectdownunder Fri 10-Jun-11 12:50:50

Thanks Footle, there was a time when I wanted to be a dr or a nurse, but the thought of all that expensive schooling really turned me off of it.
Well I got up so early today, was exhausted last night and fell asleep early, well 11:30 pm, that's early for me. Tried to do some of the stretching, but it is just too painful. My husband said that it is likely where the stitches are. When he pokes around there, he knows the spots that really hurt and told me that there is a lot of thread there, that is how he can tell. He is sure that after the stitches dissolve it will feel les painful. I am not convinced however time will tell.
Stupid question for you all, but what colour are your stitches? Mine are white, they are obvious in there. I don't know if I will see them when they fall out though. I can't really see the stitches along the posterior wall as they are at the wrong angle. That is a good thing though because the rectocele is completely gone, I used to see the posterior wall all the time as it pretty much covered the opening to my vagina. The stitches on the anterior wall start right after the opening to where you pee, that is where they placed the TVT. The other good news is, the stitches don't bother me at all in daily life, I don't even know they're there.
Well I wil go now and talk to you all later.

Footle Fri 10-Jun-11 12:58:45

The only stitch I can see is dark - can't see it very well. I am aware of stitches but it's the bit on one side near the entrance that really bothers me, though there's nothing to be seen.

blue11 Fri 10-Jun-11 13:47:34

Well i must admit Dawn I did have a giggle when you gave us an update following your visit to your surgeon. How big are your cucumbers? the thought brought tears to my eyes!! we had our ops at similar times so it is interesting to compare notes. I dont think I could have managed a cucumber pre-op let alone post op! Sorry you have had a few down days lately your OH sounds so supportive with everything you have gone through perhaps he was jsut having a ''man'' day. Tell him from us you need far more rest and have gone through major surgery that will improve his quality of life as well as yours!! you just pace yourself and chill.
Jo, I have read with interest what you are going through and the advice and support you are given here. You have had a tough time you are a brave girl and know you have to face this and you will get through it. I really worry that not seeing the consultant until August is reasonable as there will be a waiting period once you see him /her for the surgery. I know speaking with his secretary or the appointments department briefly explaining how bad your symptoms are they may sqeeze you in. I am thinking of when the best time would be for you, As you need to rest, and there are the school trips etc.....
I have been in terrible pain wondering why I am not recovering like Dawn, the barbed wire effect has not eased, I thought I had thrush with severe internal irritation, desparate to itch but of course cant, just sit with the shower hose soothing the area in the middle of teh night. I got some anti biotics, but still feeling lousey with painful lymph nodes in my groin and painful itching legs and tummy. I managed to get a mirror down there today and I suspect I have an allergy to the stictches. The barbed wire was an infection over the stitches I could see, and not a nice sight. I hard swelling of infection mass... I had other surgery (minor) a few months ago and remember having a terrible rash underneath the op site rasied hives but didnt think anything of it, once the stitch ( one long one) was removed 10 days later it cleared up.
I have tried to speak with the ward again,
Has anyone else encountered allergies to these stitches, I can see the ends of one have made a mess just through rubbing what was a good area, and so swollen inside I could not let anyone near me even for an examination. Not sure what I am going to do especially with the weekend dawning.

Footle Fri 10-Jun-11 14:08:53

Try get an emergency appt with the GP for today or for tomorrow if yours does them on Sats. Be assertive ! . The ward may tell you to do this anyway as it's a few weeks since your op. Also consider whether the pads you're using could be irritating you - I felt a lot better when I stopped using Always. But it sounds as if you need the Dr to look at it , you shouldn't be in "terrible pain". Stitches are supposed to be hypoallergenic but if you had a problem before maybe it's the same this time. You and Dawn sound as if you're using dentists' mirrors btw !

Rectdownunder Fri 10-Jun-11 15:30:31

Blue I don't have cucumebrs yet, but you are supposed to work your way up in size. The only ones available at the grocery store are the long English types and there is no way I will be using one of those. When the smaller types become available then that is where you start I guess or you could use carrots he said also, these are only for circumferance.
that is terrible that you still have the pain in the groin and other places. Maybe you are having an allergic reaction to something or the infection is causing you pain and irritation/itching. I have not reacted to dissovable stitches, but I have reacted badly to the removeable type sutures and staples. Did you also have a TVT? If so, perhaps you are allergic to it. They are also supposed to be hypo-allergenic, but there are rare cases that woman react to them. You probably need to see a dr right away, in the mean time, try taking an antihistamine to help with the itch, if that helps, then you have an allergy of some kind. If you are healing, it can be very itchy as well, but usually just at the site itself.
i hope you can get this handled today. you may need to go to the emergency. I wish you the best with this and hope you feel better.
Footle about the mirror, it is kind of funny. The day of my op, my husband went to the store to buy me some candy to have handy to suck on in hospital and came back with a 5 inch vanity mirror. He handed it to me because he knew I would want to look down there as soon as possible. It was interesting to see first day, way too swollen to even think anything would ever fit in there again. The swelling sure has gone down so much from then.

Footle Sat 11-Jun-11 22:21:31

Blue, how are you doing ? Hope you've got a medical opinion by now.

blue11 Sun 12-Jun-11 12:14:35

Dawn, It didnt dawn on me that you have small cucumbers over there, hope you have had a smile about it though - I wonder if your surgeon is into gardening? I guess our small courgettes are the size of your cucumbers. Hope everyone is having a peaceful weekend and those of you with partners are being taken care of with breakfast in bed.
Footle/Dawn, I called the ward, spoke to a nurse on Friday, an allergy was not familiar to her but all she kept saying they are internal and wont be able to be removed. I would not be able to see the consultant until later in the week. She works in a few hospitals, although I offered to go to any of them. I am being brave hoping the anti-biotics may kick in - trying the anti histamine, taking the pain killers, and showering the area frequently. From what I can see around the site of the stitches that are visable on the outside are blister like swellings, the infection pressure that I described as the barbed wire has eased since the abcess ''exploded'' the majority came from below the sucture site, this has clearly prevented neat healing. I am terrified what is actually going on inside it is clearly very inflammed, red and on fire!
I am too scared and sore to go to just any doctor, and could not face being a guinea pig in an A+E department with junior doctors, but will speak to my GP in the morning, ( to see your own GP you have to book 10 days in advance at this surgery - but I can book a telephone call!) with a view to seeing the consultant later in the week. I would have felt far safer on the ward Friday but coping. Of course when I am over this I would like to hi light this issue amongst the medical profession. I know my allergy is not normal so ladies that are planning such surgery do not be alarmed, I do have a latex allergy so something linked is causing a reaction.

Footle Sun 12-Jun-11 14:39:13

Blue, well done, keep being assertive ! I do hope you won't have long to wait , this is a horrible situation. I have a latex problem too but nothing like this has happened to me , though I do wonder if Always pads have some latex content. I hope your daughters are either helping or staying well away so you can howl in peace.

Hello ladies, now I am back to normal life, there are not enough hours in the day and haven't had time to post or read. I have missed my friends!!

jewellery mum just reading your detailed post, I had that same pain but figured it was the codeine messing with my guts, so I dropped the painkillers and it went away, hasn't come back.

Blue11, in case this is any comfort at 6weeks I still had terrible pain, now at 11 weeks its down to the odd shooting or stinging here and there, they come on maybe 10 times a day but only last for about 10 seconds so its just a matter of ooo and its gone.

Jobo, did you get to the bottom of the thin blood disorder - mym Mum took years to get to the bottom of hers, it turns out she has both Waldenstroms and Von willebrands, which both thin the blood so having both makes life complex, but now it's diagnosed she can have treatments which have greatly enhanced her life - maybe worth checking out whether they have tested for both of those? Now if she has to have any kind of op etc they give her a infusion of meds that sort the clotting out temporarily.

Rect, I understand re your hubby and the granite tiles - I have support and sympathy all round for a week... then its a case of everyone wondering why I was so lazy... I am now back to normal activities and if I sit down (even say 2pm) I will drop off and start snoring, so clearly normal activities are too much, even at 11 weeks. No one can see what hurts, or why and no one really understands why we are so knackered. So you either do what people expect, and end up overdoing it and causing a damage, or stick to your guns and go with the activity levels that feel right, and have everyone think you're really milking it. It's not easy to go through that all day every day.

I see from the posts that lots of ladies feel blah, boo and downright boo hoo. I do think this is the aftermath of the surgery. Last time I went to the doc he gave me a presecription for antidepressants, I havent filled them yet, and think I am getting a little less blah each week. What I am trying to say, is try to see the down moods as just part of the process, and although the process goes on for bloody ages, it will pass (honest!!)

re stitches mine fell out from about 5 weeks, and at 6weeks I had a period that seemed to flush lots out, however at the 6 week check I still had several in place as well. They are so uncomfortable. I remember toying with the idea of snipping them myslef as I couldnt bear it, but I didnt. I guess that would have been a terrible idea. But they do go, the periods help wash out the internal ones, once they have come loose, and you will feel soooo much better then.

Rect you are brave re the cucumbers, and also the other ladies re stretching etc ouch I couldn't have dared!! But.... in due course....We had a fumble the other night (say 10.5 weeks point) and I was all victorian lady -- oh no I don't think so etc, OMG I was crapping myself (not literally!) but we had a trial that was a bit rubbish mainly cos I was terrified. So take 2, around 11 weeks, and everything worked. DH is fairly shy so I can't get a great deal out of him, but he has advised, it was good, and yes its different now and better. I stopped trying to get info out of him at that point cos its not what he wants to talk about. For me it felt VERY different. No more dipping a string into a bucket (hooray), but it did hurt a little (yes I am a born again virgin ha ha ha) but not enough to put me off. We are used to going ages without sex (army family) but when you're sex starved a little ouch here and there isnt going to stop you. It did hurt a bit after a while, it was tight (hallelujah) but I am sure that will stretch in due course (boo) for me the main thing is I was scared of busting something. I dont think any thing bust. But TBH I am glad DH has gone away for a few weeks so I can let it all recover just in case. I am a wimp!! Its 2 days later and I am still feeling a little sore down below (takes me back to my teenage days ahh) so I guess for me the skin/tissue is still delicate. Oh and I didnt pee myself when having sex hooray.

Hmm my kids seem to want me, and having seen on the new about mums on MN and ignoring the kids I am guilt tripped into going and actually looking after them ha ha. Will be back on later to read the rest of the posts and answer any other questions xx

Rect, I had some white and some black stitches. Hmm reading your posts, maybe you should start with a courgette ;)

Blue that sounds terrible. I dont know if you can use this on your fanny but there is a new cream out for kids with chicken pox to reduce the itching, it could assist with soothing...? Can you ask the nurse to pass the details onto the consultant in case she determines that she will see you sooner? Is it worth just making a general pain of yourself so that they see you to stop you ringing them? Like you say, this is not usual.

Good luck I hope the pain is easing xx

Footle Sun 12-Jun-11 18:54:11

Lovely to hear from you , Missing ! The details about stitches and sex are very helpful. As I said, I was told by the doc to wait till about 12 weeks because of the way he'd had to do the stitches , and early fumblings make me think that will be about right though it seems a long wait. I was thinking that periods would help wash out the stitches - as I don't have periods I will have to hope I can fish them out eventually.

I'm sure your hours on MN will have made you an even better parent..

Rectdownunder Sun 12-Jun-11 19:10:43

Blue that is horrible what is happening to you right now. I would be crying my eyes out with frustration. You are a real trooper. I really hope you can talk with your dr and get to the bottom of this. Is it possible you might have a yeast infection along with the infection, it can cause so much irritation. My 18 year old daughter had antibiotics for strep and ended up allergic to the penicilin and got the yeast infection of a lifetime as well. Her mouth was full of sores, her gums bled and her vaginal area was so inflammed that she had bleeding blisters and redness, she stopped eating and drinking because she didn't want to go pee. She was crying and thought she got herpes from her boyfriend. I thought it was yeast, but went to emergency and she was prescribed a big dose of diflucan (oral yeast med) it was cleared up in two days. Perhaps this is a portion of your problem, but it could well be masked by so much other pain etc. Just a thought for you. I hope you find a compassionate dr to help you. Hugs xoxo
Missing thanks for coming back with more information. I wondered how you were getting along especially because you had the surgery as I had. i am struggling with the stetching down there. It is so tight and very painful to try and stretch it. After you get past the first 3 inches it isn't as bad. I guess because of all the sewing on both anterior and posterior has brought it in quite a bit. My husband said that he can feel with his finger stitches going all the way up to the top on both top and bottom, but it is tighter around the opening for some reason. My dr did warn us about this as it was the only way to sucessfully do the repair, I was running short of tissue to sew to. I am so afriad my sex life is ruined, I know i must be patient, but this is weird. I had 6 babies come out of there, it managed to stretch out the, now I can't even put a small cucumber in there. My hubby's finger is the limit. He is well endowed, so I am worried. The doc should have measured him first before sewing me up. Lol... put the husbands through some humiliation too. My husband is scared to hurt me, so I think it will be awhile even after my next post op appt. July 6th.
On another note, I got my period today and it feels awful. I feel much the same as I did 4 days post op, so sore and I feel so sickly. I am going to take it easy for sure. I am in bed right now and I am going to knit. Have a great Sunday ladies, thanks for

ha ha footle, I am not sure - kids are in bed and one is calling out for a cuddle but here I sit (bad mummy!!) I did enjoy logging onto MN every 5 mins when I was signed off, but being back at work is interfering with my MN'ing. I have the solution - I am considering the redundancy they are offering... it's a terrible decision financially but after 8 weeks off, I was a bit surprised when I went back to find out how unhappy working at this particular company is making me....

I think 12 weeks (end of next week for me) would have been a better idea. But we had to get it in quick (phnar phnar) before he went off for a few weeks.

Rect, you are so soon post surgery... how you are feeling now in tenderness and wellness are going to be rubbish and you really will feel better, its just going to take time. You are like me in that you had lots of ops, you have fibro and arthritis - I am nearly 43 so we are much the same age also (altho I only had the 2 kids!!) - anyway my recovery has been soooo much slower than the ladies that were posting before I had my op. But I am getting there slowly and surely. You will too and you need to be careful not to measure yourself against others who heal more quickly. Where you are now is temporary. If my DH had come near me even with just a finger, I would have battered him just a few weeks ago.

I had bad times when I just couldnt see any improvement and convinced myself something had gone terribly wrong, convinced myself that I would never feel any better, all sorts. Its just so slow you dont notice the improvement until one day you think, ah ha, I couldnt have done all that 5 weeks ago.

Try to turn it on its head in your head ie imagine yourself a born again virgin!! After having a bucket fanny for so long I really want it all smaller. And my doc was very clear that he wouldnt overtighten - your doc sounds like the best I have ever heard of so there is no way they will have overtightened.

How are you getting on with the TVT? I was convinced at the start that it was 100% working but other days I think it really doesnt and am scared to follow that line of thought. Mine is still achy along the lines of it even at 11 weeks, in fact this week I have gone backwards, in that it hurts more now than it did say 3 or 4 weeks ago...hmm maybe it was that sex!?!? I am terrified of doing something wrong an buggering up the TVT. I did lift up a 5 year old the other day, I wonder if that could have made it stop working.. or is that just nuts?

happy healing ladies xxx

Rectdownunder Mon 13-Jun-11 10:37:28

Missing you are right about needing to give it time. I guess I am anxious because I miss my husband so much in that way. We are close and I know he misses it too, but he of course doesn't complain and is patient.

My TVT so far seems to have worked. My dr asked me at the last appt. about it, but I didn't really know, I just told him that my bladder seemed to empty because of the cystocele repair and when I stood up after weeing, nothing came running out, so the TVT must be working. I still get twinges of strange pain in the groin at times, but not too bad. I have sneezed a few times and no leakage. The real test will be jumping and running and catching me off guard. Another thing I have noticed is at times the weeing is slow for some reason, but it eventually comes out. My dr said that the TVT causes some restriction on the urethra and for a few months you can expect a slower flow than before.

I hope yours is working Missing. I don't think lifting your child would have wrecked the TVT in particular. When I was considering only having the TVT, the Dr said it was only 2 weeks recovery time and everything can be back to normal, including sex. Perhaps you are in the percentage that only gets partial success. I am not sure why the pain still though. I think things down there can be tender for a while. There is also the possibility that when the incisions were made, some nerves were severed and that can cause prolonged pain. Do you still have the groin pain or is it just right at the site of the TVT? I feel bad for you, that your recovery has been a long haul. I feel pretty good now, but I may not necessarily be out of the woods yet. Anything can develop over the next couple of weeks. I am just anxious to get my period over with for this month, it is causing more pain in the area I had the surgeries.
Missing regarding your job and teh unhappiness. I had a somilar thing happen to me a few years ago. I was a school bus driver for 11 years. The politics among the other drivers was awful and it was a dreadful place to be. During the 2 week Christmas break, I felt so great and when it came time to return back to work, I started to cry and became depressed and realized how unhappy I was and just couldn't carry on with it any longer, so I never returned. I am so much better off, sure finances weren't great for a while, but I sure was better. Money worked itself out eventually. Do what you need to do to be happy and healthy, it is better for your entire family too, when you feel good. Good luck!

Good day ladies smile

KOPGIRL Mon 13-Jun-11 11:41:59


jewellerymum Mon 13-Jun-11 11:43:40

Morning everyone!
Firstly please tell me to get my arse into gear! Having trouble getting off the sofa this morning. Lazy lump! Spent yesterday (with all the rain) sorting out all my loose beads, sorting them into type, then into colour and now I have to put them all away in their boxes!
Missing Thank you so much for the update. It is so helpful to hear from someone a little further on than we are.
Rect I know EXACTLY what you mean about your period - remember my post a little over a week ago! Ouch! It really hurts!!! Hopefully it will only be this first post-op period that causes trouble, otherwise I am going to have to have two duvet days each month!!! Rest assured it will go back to normal by day 3/4!!!
My only grumbles now are my impatience!! I have just finished my period am just into my amorous part of the month but here I am, feeling totally normal but with a woohoo full of stitches!! LOL!! I just want rid now! Surely after 4 weeks the skin has all fused and healed?!?! Anyway I'm told that pateince is a virtue! I just can't contemplate that it may be another 4-6 weeks before I can have sex again!!!
However, I am very grateful that everything has seemingly gone very well and I have no pain or discomfort! The rest will come, I know!!
Blue I am so worried about you - what you are experiencing is definately not norml, nor is it something that you should be putting up with. I really hope you are at the Docs today and can get something sorted out and aren't fobbed off. Please let us know x x x

Footle Mon 13-Jun-11 12:46:48

Blue - what Jewel says ! Let us know what happens today.

Hello Kop , no need to shout love, we're all listening - press the caps lock on your keyboard again to get back into lower case . I'm 4.5 weeks post op with a rectocele repair , but I'm 63 so my recovery may be a bit different from younger women's. I've recently had a feeling of anal pressure again, which I sometimes had before the op. I hope it isn't a sign of the op not having worked - everything else is slowly improving.

I didn't have fluid retention - is this a new thing for you ? I haven't seen anyone else mentioning it in this thread so maybe you should ring the GP and ask about it ? It's important to find out what's causing it.

I'm expecting the sutures / stitches to start dissolving soonish , ie around 6 weeks, going by what I was told. And the Dr told me 12 weeks was about the right time for me to wait to have sex because of the trouble he'd had attaching the repaired tissue - it is stretched tighter than he'd have liked , and attached to the 'perineal body' ie inside the perineum. What does your job involve ? Some people here are back to normal in 8 weeks or less , some need much longer. You're still in very early days : take all the painkillers you need , try to walk around a bit each day , but get the fluid retention checked out.
Tell us how you get on.

Footle Mon 13-Jun-11 12:54:02

Jewel , are you like me with no follow-up planned ? It would be such a help wouldn't it , deciding about sex etc. I should think the stitches would be pretty scratchy for your OH though ? Better to wait a bit rather than lacerating the poor fellow ..

Missing , if they're offering redundancy and you see so clearly that the job makes you miserable , hm, economic climate and all that , but it sounds as if you feel you'd be better off out of it . Like Dawn says it's often not till you take a step back that see what's in front of your nose.

KOPGIRL Mon 13-Jun-11 13:43:24

Hi Footie, I am also an older woman I am 55 , this is the first time i have experienced water retention post op but it appears to be going very slowly!! I have put on 11lbs with it despite eating a small healthy bowel friendly diet I guess it's just a time thing!!! I am walking a bit each day and going up and down stairs several times a day , although this is quite uncomfortable, I have not yet been able to lie/sleep on my side yet the pressure is unbearable. I am just going to take all advice given and the main thing is rest and resist doing things around the house. I lost a stitch today but do not know where from it is quite long, thick and blue in colour i seem all intact so will just assume it is the entrance point for TVT at entrance to vagina.Seems soon to lose a stitch though?

jewellerymum Mon 13-Jun-11 16:28:49

Hey Footle, yep, no follow up for me! It was a case of "We did it, it's fine, any problems speak to your GP, now bugger off we need the bed! What do you mean your hubbie can't come for 2 hours? Go wait on the hard chairs in the waiting room then!" And wait for 2 hours on hard chairs I did!!

I still thikn I may go and see my GP at 6 ish weeks (cycle depending) and see what she thinks!!!

Rectdownunder Mon 13-Jun-11 17:02:59

Hi Ladies. Welcome Kopgirl. You are having a rough go of this. I would be concerned about fluid retention. If your surgeon advised something, it is probably the right advice for you, take it and rest. I had pressure in the bottomend too, can't say if it was to the intensity you are experiencing at present, but it bothered me. Pain killers help.
Blue I hope you got to the dr today.
Footle, I know what you are sayign about feeling the anal pressure returning. I am afraid. You see I should have been better prepared for my period as it causes me to pretty much turn into a different gal for a while. Not only I am off the deep end, but physically, a night mare. My bowels are completely stubborn PMS time and they won't budge. Being in pain and having a stool stuck on the area, I strained to get it out and now I feel beat up down there. I had another BM and it felt like I needed to splint and I wanted to help it. I ended up controling myself enough to be patient to expell it and only used my hand to support the perineum. I think I will start taking senna every period. I was sitting on the toilet crying because I was so messed up and felt so defeated. Sounds like a stupid thing to cry about, a fricken BM, what a loser! sad I am still quite bed ridden today. This weekend was a true test for PMS. My husband and I had a BIG fight about his insane Mother and it ended with me locking him out of the bedroom for the night. I don't know who the hell I am sometimes???? He wasn't exactly faultless. I ended up sending him an email from teh laptop and expressed my insanity and apologies. God, why does this man love me so much? Well enough rant, I'm a bit insane these days, but will be back to what ever normal is (setting on the dryer) soon I'm sure. Take care all, any of you pick on their husbands during PMS or PMT whichever?

P.S. Does anyone know how to change their nickname, I can't seem to remember, can't figure it out?

Footle Mon 13-Jun-11 17:58:24

Dawn / Rect , I had a hell of a time changing my nickname when I joined MN, and got help from Mumsnet Towers . In fact I had entered my real name as a nickname by mistake , and I didn't feel i could post about all this using my real name . it was quite difficult to sort it out .. but I think if you go to your Profile there may be a way.

Footle Mon 13-Jun-11 17:59:54

Dawn, how did the dryer get in here ??

Flowers40 Mon 13-Jun-11 18:32:51

Hi everyone!

Awww so sorry to hear some of you are having a hard time.. its grotty isnt it.. Blue hope you feel better soon, that sounds rough on you on top of everything.. Missing lovely to hear from you again and glad you are back to normal almost, thanks for the update, glad you got some action even if it was a bit sore, I know what you mean about being tired, I am the magic 6 weeks tomorrow and nowhere near back to normal and still get so tired! Keep falling alseep on sofa at about 8-9pm which is a pain as it usually means I cant get back to sleep again when I wake up and go to bed.. also sorry to hear about your job, I lost my job end March and can't believe its been two and a half months since I worked, the days fly past and it has been nice being home after 10 years full time. Been looking but would like a little longer if I can manage it financially (doubtful). And I am just the same re worrying I have messed up my repairs, I did hoover for the first time last week cos couldnt stand the mess any longer, then was constipated for 2 days after and convinced myself I was back to square 1! Luckily its ok again now, but I do know what you mean!
Welcome kopgirl, I don't know about anal pressure but I sure have terrible piles if thats the same thing.. and it seems worse too than before which worries me, sorry about your fluid retention too. I also lost a big blue stitch very soon after my op and I think its all ok regardless, its the only stitch I have seen so far.
Sorry to jewel and all others with PMT and painful periods, so glad I dont have that anymore! smile
Well I am fine, getting ready for my hols which is a week today, very excited but quite nervous too as I dont feel as good as I would like but hope I will be ok when I get there, its a quiet resort so just will be sitting in the sun and eating lots as we are AI, few drinks at night then prolly bed early, no mad partying this time!

Woke up friday night in the middle of the night in agony with a feeling of fire going right up the vajazzle both sides where the stiches are and right across my abdomen, took my breath away and couldnt move at first. Took painkillers once I struggled downstairs and it eased off.. Terrified of my infection returning, keep thinking it has but then there is no smell and the pains come and go, tried to get the metro gel I was prescribed which you squirt up but it has been discontinued apparently which is rubbish

I have noticed that when I get stressed/anxious the pain gets worse, got like it yesterday cos I worked on a job app for 4 hours online and when I clicked save it had logged me out and I lost the lot! Deadline was today and I just couldnt face starting again! Just had to leave it, the pain in my tummy got real bad cos I was so aggrieved.

Rect sorry you have been feeling low too, I felt like that last week too when I couldnt go for 2 days, just sitting there in pain for 20 mins, think my diet was a bit poor and that caused it, have increased the fibre again and it seems ok now, but yes its horrible. I am sure your hubby doesnt mind, I dont have anyone to moan at, just my 15 yr old DD but if I did I am sure I would!! Go easy on yourself xoxo

Keep your chins up ladies, sorry this is soooo long!

Footle Mon 13-Jun-11 18:48:24

Kop , it does seem early to lose a stitch but I think someone else lost one early too , with no bad results. It must be awful not being able to lie on your side : I could lie like that pretty soon and it gave me a welcome option, or pair of options , L and R . Nice to meet someone not quite so much younger than me as all the rest ! But why the fluid retention I have no idea. Is your blood pressure OK ? You are still within the time when you can ring the ward to ask for advice , so why not see what they say ? The end of Sept is ages away.

Dawn no-one here thinks crying about a BM is weird , you know that . Your doctor sounds so great , as Missing said . Did he tell you to call if you had problems ? It does sound like a problem if you're feeling you need to splint again. I've had a couple that have worried me but nothing dramatic so far.
As for why he loves you , well , he's obviously completely out of his mind , so I shouldn't worry about a thing, you are clearly soul mates.

Jewel I'm going to go to the GP too , maybe next week , and ask what she thinks and whether she has any more details about the op. I've wondered whether I have TVT but wasn't told , probably just paranoia.

Blue ?

Footle Mon 13-Jun-11 18:57:40

Hi Flowers , nice to see you ! I had that thing of waking up with an intense pain in my fanny ( Dawn , that means vagina to us UK types ) a few nights ago. It really startled me and took my breath away. I lay thinking Oh God , now what , must get my Tramadol - but suddenly it was morning , I must have dropped straight back to sleep. I talked to my sister about it and she remembered it from after her hysterectomy : doctors told her it was various nerves twingeing as they healed. Hope you have a lovely lazy holiday.

Rectdownunder Mon 13-Jun-11 21:38:49

Footle the dryer was in reference to what "normal" might be. For me as I don't know how to determine normal in my case, I will just accept it as a setting on the dryer.
I will have to tell my husband we are soul mates for the very reason you gave, he will get a kick out of that. Lol..
I can call my drs office, his nurse Kathy handles these calls. If she feels it is a problem she will tell me what to do. My dr is away for a couple of weeks, so I will have to wait or put my trust in someone else. I think the feeling of needing to splint comes from the fact that I am confused about what I as like 7 years ago before all this rectocele stuff started. I think I want to splint because I am not convinced that my bowels will work. I had another painful BM today and it is just so slow because of my period. I start to panic thinking I have to get it out or it will wreck something. I managed without splinting so far. I am eating lots of fiber, I could probably drink more water and I still take softeners, so I believe this is just my stubborn period bowel acting up, my normal bowel should show up in a couple of days. If it does come back to normal, then I need to be better prepared for my periods.
Flowers I feel guilty for complaining about my measly little troubles when you are having to recover under the circumstances that you do and are handling it wonderfully. I think you are likely quite stressed and having tummy difficulties because of it. I wish I could advise, but I don't practice anything that pertains to good stress relief. I hope you have a restful holiday though and that helps you feel better and forget some stresses and helps you to heal.
I am off to lay down now before Em gets home and I have to make dinner. The way I feel I will need an hour nap to get through that.
Good evening everyone. Thanks for all the kind words and support. Makes me smile

Likeavirgin Mon 13-Jun-11 21:45:25

Hey all I did it I changed my nickname, I feel now that I am all fixed up, I need to be more positive about that and stop being negative with a name that clearly indicates the past at this point. So now I present the new me.

Likeavirgin Mon 13-Jun-11 21:4