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New thread for those having/had posterior or anterior repairs, TVT, rectocele and all the other down below stitchups(1000 Posts)
Hello ladies, I hope you find this, I don't want to lose my pre-op and post-op buddies!!
Phew, a bit of a panic there, I couldn't make the link work so emailed Mumsnet Towers and they came straight back with a link that worked. Hope all the others find their way soon !
Hello Missing and Footle. I am glad to hop over as my op is next Monday 9th for Anterior repair and quite frankly I am getting quite nervous.
I have packed my bag and the plans are in place. I'm just trying to get my house in order so I can go in to hospital feeling organised. Three more days at work and I have a blood test on Thursday.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarhg (as you were)
Oh dear I didn't know how to do a fancy link, hope the others can find this as otherwise I will miss them!
Missing, why not email Mumsnet ? They'll help, they are brilliant.
Meg, may I join in your primal scream ?
Thanks for sorting out the new link. I'm back at work full time, still having infection problems, going for yet another swab tomorrow. This'll be the fourth one . Anyone else had problems? I suspect it's from the Mirena coil fitted at the same time as op. I've also put a stone on in 3 months and being really good food wise . So all this post-op sex I was anticipating hasn't materialised yet . I'm seriously thinking of having it removed but worried that heavy periods will return even though I had ablation at the same time. Any thoughts or similar experiences would be helpful . Good luck to all you ladies whose ops ar efast approaching. It really isn't as bad as you think it's going to be. I have no regrets despite a few hiccups.
If I'd known 1000 posts was the limit I wouldnt have wasted it! Sorry!
Thank you for starting up the new group! Well it's 2.30am so I'm thinking I should try And shut my brain off! So busy pre op that I can't switch off!!
Night all x
Jewel I used to be so much like you, but as I aged (45 now) I started to slow it down a bit. I feel less anxious about the stuff that really doesn't make a difference in life, like always keeping my house perfectly clean and doing 27 hours worth of work in a 24 hour day. I think I started to mellow about 5-7 years ago, so around 38 or 40. I do relate totally to what you are going through.
Missing Thanks for the link and keeping us going. I would not know what to do with out you ladies. So you know, you might be right about taking pain killers for fibro and arthritis. I tend to take them because they are available and I just think there is no need to be in pain if you don't have to be. I do my best not ot overuse them though. I just can't deal with the migraines I get sometimes, they are totally debilitating.
Kazimodo, sorry to hear fo your infections, that makes things so frustrating. I don't knwo anything about the Mirena coil, but if you had an ablation done, then your period should be quite light or may even disappear altogether. I haven't had an ablation, but was offered one. My doctor spoke so highly of it nad said so amny of his patients come back and tell him it they were so happy they had it done. He told me that periods over the course of a year get lighter and lighter. He is shocked that I won't have it done, but I have my reasons that I will explain in another post.
Well that's all I know.
I just spoke to a nice nurse on the ward I'll be on. She answered my questions ( no shaving , possible enema , were some of the answers ) and to my surprise said I'll probably be there till Monday ( from admission this coming Tuesday ) which is longer than I thought.
I also spoke to someone I know who just had a hysterectomy on that ward , and she was very positive about the nursing and the atmosphere generally. And I looked up my surgeon and he scores 8 for Clinical Excellence - after 8 they go on to the sports-type awards ie Bronze, Silver , Gold... but above an 8 they probably go on to bigger teaching hospitals maybe. Anyway i'm as reassured as I can be at this stage.
Except the nurse had never heard the word rectocele , which took me aback a bit . Posterior Repair , that's what you have to say.
Rect - I don't get headaches never mind migraines, if I did I would be popping those pills like smarties!! For me its all about sleep, get lots and the pains fade, get not enough and its a nightmare so usually I just have myself to blame. Paul McKenna sleep cd never fails to work but I never remember to put it on dur...
Have had nightmare few days, took painkillers cos of pains here and there, caused by overdoing it, plus I had put my back out. Oh dear now I remember why I stopped the painkillers initially, cos they mess my guts up. Guess this is an IBS kind of thing, stabbing pains in my guts and up my bum, it was so bad my mum put me to bed....lasted 24 hours then just went away. guess codeine is not for me. I know that people have IBS and have to live that that, good grief. Maybe I am just a bit of a wimp.... So now that those pains have gone, my aching fanny and sore TVT bits seem like a walk in the park. For all those pre op please please please try to limit your codeine, the pains from that are worse that the pain I took the codeine for!! If you do take it, take all the fruit, pear juice, lactulose, prunes, dates, licorice etc you can to avoid constipation and gut pains.
I have my 6 week check tomorrow. can't wait. I have this idea he will wave a magic wand and all the remaining aches and pains will go away. some bits of perenium are still ver sore, I truly believe the 6 week check will make it all go away... and also I believe in the easter bunny, the tooth fairy....
Cant believe I am back to work next week, still can't bend down properly, pick things up or drive, so that will be entertaining....
Hope everyone is healing well, feeling positive and enjoying the sun x
Hi all, glad to have found you again, hope you are all doing fine.. I am ok, got a tooth infection and my knees still hurt but my op recovery is going fine, no pain and sleeping much longer at night than I have in many years
But still got a jelly belly :0 Take it easy all..
Ah Missing you make me laugh, you are eloquent. The thing I hate about codiene is, I can not sleep if I take it at night. I just keep waking up in a dream like state wondering what is happening. The tramadol does the same thing even though it is not codiene based.
Footle glad to hear you found the nurses nice. Funny thing, the nurse I had at pre-op called it a posterior repair as well, not a rectocele.
I mentioned how I turned down the endometrial ablation that my doc offered to me. Well besides being afraid of everything medically interventive, I just want one part of my body to naturally do its thing I guess. I have really bad PMS and just before my period, infact the day before, I cry a lot, I get really down, I stay awake all night as hormones prevent me from sleeping. Sometimes I just work all night or drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes and get this, I don't even smoke. The next day when I feel i am ready for mental hospital, I get my period. I am afraid that if I had the ablation and get my period anymore, I would wonder if I was going nuts! The period helps me to understand myself at that time of the month. Also ovulation time I get a bit the same way, not as extreme and my migraines are all associated with the dreadful monthly monster.
Sorry for the length here, rambling on so much. Have a great day all!
Sorry, made a error in the last post, I meant to say "if i didn't get me period anymore" not "and get my period anymore'
Hey Footle - where did you look up you Doc?
I asked the surgeon about enemas and he looked at me like I was bonkers (he did that quite a lot actually!) so I am going to eat really easy to digest & light food two days before!!!!!
They also confirmed only one night stay as I am 'young'!!! LOL
x x x
Rect - I have NEVER had anyone describe my hormonal problems as closely as you just did!! I now keep a diary using a period tracker app on my iphone to keep tabs on where I am!
Most months my boobs hurt by about day 20, my mood issues are mid cycle and the last three/four days of my cycle. Sometimes I just cry and cry and other times I get what I call my RAGE sign, flashing infront of my eyes!!! There have been a couple of times where I have had to lock myself in the bathroom and jump in the shower so that I am away from husband as I worry (on these odd occasions) that I am so in his face while arguing that we may come to blows (we havent yet, in 13 years thank goodness!)
The other issue is that there is only a window of about 4 days each month when I actually WANT to have sex! The rest of the month I see it as a duty! How awful is that! My poor husband! He puts up with such a lot!
If I had three wishes they would be a) That hormones no longer have any effect on me! b) I no longer have headaches (today is first day in 10 that I havent had one) and c) All clothes are crease proof and dont need ironing!!!
I think that hormones are the worst thing in the world! They give me spots, headaches, lethargy, anger, sorrow, sore boobs, water retention, I wish sometimes I could just have my ovaries out and be done with it!!!
Todays rant over! x x x
Hi Jewel , I looked him up on the website for the hospital under Medical Staff, then under Gynaecology. They all have their scores listed. I'm sure there is some other way to look them up , some register-thingy , but anyway I'm committed to getting this over with now.
The other interesting thing I found was that the same guy ( David Burch ) has co-authored a paper for other gynaecologists called "What should we tell women pre-operatively ?" It's on a medical site that you have to register to get on to , and although it's probably easy to register , I don't want to get obsessed here. Would be interesting though .. to see what they leave out. Ignorance is probably bliss.
God I'm glad i don't have periods any more. 11 to 56 , that was plenty thank you.
Hey Jewel, Well I am sorry to hear you are much like me hormone wise, but relieved at the same time that I am not alone. You have touched even more on what it is like month to month. I also have that wanting to have sex thing, but only for about 4 days or so. Usually pre period or during, which is not good. I want to be alone for fear I will kill someone because I just snap. Really it is just wanting quiet, I don't like noise at all during or just before my period. I love your three wishes, except I really don't iron perhaps once yearly if necessary.
My husband puts up with a lot too. He has to live with me and four daughters, 4 out of 5 of us menstruate. Well lucky for him now the two older girls have moved out, Charity is moving out on her own in June and Emily hasn't got her period yet, but it won't be long because she is going to be 13 this year. My sons have a lot to deal with too, but one is older and moved out as well. My husband wanted me to get the ablation because he thought it would be nice for me not to deal with my ugly period and then we could have sex then because I won't be bleeding. He probably shouldn't have mentioned that because I was probably premenstrual at the time and to spite him, just plain refused. After I thought about things the real reason was because I keep track of my crazy days with all that. I sort of book my life around it really. I am a photographer and the last thing any bride needs is a raving lunatic taking their pictures.
Tell me more about your hormones, so to speak.
Jewel, I also have the sore boobs too, in fact today I just got them. It lasts for about 2-3 days. It seems like I have so many side affects from my period and the bleeding is the least troublesome. I know bleeding is a big pain in the but. I think mine is slowing up now, it used to be really heavy, I got my first period when I was 15 and I am 45 now, I am hoping menopause is creeping in. I don't like the thought of hot flashes and night sweats, but I am a basket case now, so maybe there is room for improvement.
Anyone out there know much about menopause?
Just a quick post
FLOWERS40 - How are you getting on?
I am booked for just a rectocele repair but he is going to check the anterior too and repair that if needed and as usual with these ops I have signed to say a hysterectomy (sp?) is fine if needed. So I ask how you are doing having had all three done?
Do you fell 'empty' having had your womb removed? I wondered if the extra space means your bowel habits change? When they remove your cervix I guess they just sew i up to leave your vagina (I hate that word and have had to use it so much recently!) pretty much as it was?
How is your recovery?
Footle - I will try and look up my Doc. Think I saw somewhere he was a specialist in PMS problems - If I thought he would have the time to sit and chat I'd tell him all my problems and see what he thought! (remove my ovaries perhaps!)
Rect ... The thing I hate about codiene is, I can not sleep if I take it at night. I just keep waking up in a dream like state wondering what is happening I didn't realise that was the codeine, I thought it was cos I wasn't getting any exercise that I couldn't sleep...a h it all becomes clear now!!
Wow I will never mind my bad mood pre period, you two really have a tough time. I just get crabby with everyone, and sore boobs which let me know to go out and buy my supplies.. I will thank my lucky stars from now on. Is there anything you can do to alleviate that? Spose you have tried evening primrose oil and all that jazz already...?
Am having a quick brew before going for my 6 week check, I am terrified which is nuts as the stitching and sewing is done and dusted, and I think I dropped the last few stitches this week - I thought there was a spider on the loo seat, it was a titchy stitch just fell out, ick (sorry TMI). Terrified he will have a look and say oh dear, did it all wrong, it will need to be done again aarrrgghhhh
Also scared of going back to work cos today I am still so tired zzzzzzzzzzzz
Still glad I got it done, it's so great not having to pee all the time. Hope everyone is ok, have a lovely day ladies
Missing, hope everything checks out okay today and if you are tired, can you take off more time from work even if the doctor doesn't give his reccomendation?
Glad to hear you weeing troubles are better. That is the thing that I want fixed the most, is stress incontinence. I am so afraid that the TVT won't work. If it doesn't then what? Is there another procedure that can fix it? For some reason I have a bad feeling that it really won't work.
Have a great day everyone.
Ah Rect I am with you there. That is the main thing for me too. The chances of it working are good. I don't know what else can be done after, I didn't ask him about that, I just decided it would work. I think it has worked, I am definitely improved, but as I am more or less housebound I haven't really put it to the test. When I am active again it will be easy to tell. I think it has worked..... since the op I haven't had to get out of bed at night at all, but then the last 3 nights I have so I am wondering what that all means... oh well, docs at 2pm, will soon find out...
Think the % for the TVT being completely successful is about 85%, and for the next 10%, it was somewhat successful. Somewhat is still good for me. I think only about 5% find no change.
Also bear in mind that the more this op is done the better they get, ie the ones that didnt have success are probably the first people having it done 10 years ago...!
Rect, you wouldn't have your ovaries removed if you had an ablation. My sister still had a very strong sense of where she was in her cycle 20 years after a hysterectomy because of cervical cancer when she was only 29. I'm sure you would have that too as you sound tuned in to your body. But without the heavy bleeding you would find life more fun. Well, that's what I think, anyway.
Hi Missing - just want to thank you for continuing this thread, it been of great comfort reading all the woes and positive stories from surgery, and knowing your not alone. Its amazing how large the other thread got... 1000 replies! wow!
How did you get on at your 6 wk check? all ok I hope? I've got mine on monday - albeit its a going to be a 9 wk check! (waiting times with the nhs as they are!) Was it as scary as you thought? I am hoping all good down below. I still feel like a patch work quilt - and I am sure my surgeons stitches could have been better - but at least I am now fully functioning in that area .
My major draw back has to be the coil I had put in at the same time as my posterior repair- its made me really moody and grumpy as if a black cloud is hovering over me, I still get loads of cramping pains and periodic heavy bleeding - which is horrid. I am also anaemic following surgery - so I am really tired. So these two problems together is a little depressing! ... I feel I am having a down day! ...
Oh Suzy that doesnt sound like fun - what ind of coil did you get, copper or hormone?
Had my 6 week check and all is as it should be, I am so happy! I was worried cos I have a lot of pain still, that something was wrong, but it is all where it shoudl be and he has given me some eostrogen gel to put on twice a day that will help my bits to heal. Also have been signed off for another 2 weeks hooray!! I was scared about going back to work while I still cannot sit for long and have pains still.
I have lots of stitches up the wazoo still, so hopefully they will drop out soon and life will be more comfortable. As others with posterior repairs were painfree sooner I was worried, but I think cos I had my pelvic floor muscles stitched back together at the same time, I wasn't comparing like with like.
The TVT still aches and pains sometimes, he said that is fine, its early days yet, and it will be another 6 weeks before everything settles down properly. So no Zumba just yet then!! I cannot even imagine wanting to have sex, never mind actually doing it...
I hope my husband doesn't read your post Missing regarding lack of sex! He may not let me go on Thursday!
Seriously though I'm glad that all is as it should be with you. Interesting thought about the oestrogen cream - I shall as my DOC about it as I already have some cream from last year when I seemed to be getting pre-menopausal symptoms 'down there'!!!
It really does seem from the experinces here that they underestimate the recovery time. The nurse I spoke to (who has had a posterior repair) was so gung ho about it - Yeah, you can walk to school in the second week, a wedding in week 3? No problem? Pain with bowel movements? Nah, you'll be fine.!!!!! Perhaps her body has blanked out all the horrors of it!!!
I guess we all have different experiences and to be honest I am now less nervous and more....well excited isn't the word, but I in an odd way I am looking forward to finding out what it will be like! Don't get me wrong, come Thursday morning I will be beside myself, throwing up and shaking life a leaf, but for now I am putting it to the back of my mind. TBH though I am looking forward to a couple of days in hospital - I have been so tremendously busy and stressed out the last month (headache for 10 days, no sleep before 2am, huge fallout with my Dad last night, manic at work) , I am looking forward to escaping reality for a little while! - I might try for a week in there! Do you think they'll let me!!!!)
Hope today finds you all bright and breezy and feeling positive. We all have our ups and downs but your attitude can make such a difference. Worry about the things that REALLY need worrying about and sod the rest!
You will be fine, and yest a few days in hosp, with everyone else doign the cooking cleaning child rearing is great!! Madness isn't it, to have to have an op to get a rest.
I remember that once I got in the car and was on the way to the hosp I just chilled out cos I had done what needed doing and everything for the next few days was in the hands of everyone else. It was a nice feeling. Having a catheter for the first day and just staying in bed being fed and brought tea was fabulous.
I think a posterior repair will be ok, I was just wrecked inside so am suffering from the extra surgery required, I am sure by 6 weeks you will be trampolining! (and lots of sex)
Missing - I am glad all went ok for you, hope the gel helps with the healing. Sounds like you had a lot of work down there - and enjoy the time off work! I had to go back to work at 6 wks - and it was tough. The worst are the long days when I am on my feet for 10 hours. But its getting easier.
I had a hormonal coil put in - and I am planning to have it taken out. Its giving me the craziest mood swings. I should have know better as I am the same with the pill, too many low moments. My poor children don't know what's hit them somedays and thankfully the hubby keeps quiet! I just hope they let me swap it for a copper IUD.
On a positive note jewel... I had posterior repair and now I am back together I feel so much better about having sex! I used to feel all deformed down below - and the surgery has given my sex life a lot of confidence. So tell your other half... the wait is worth it! .
And good luck for thursday... I am sure it will all go well. Keep calm and rest well! ... and if they offer you an extra day in the hospital - take it - I wish I had! S x
10 hours..... omg....
re the coil, as I has PND I wasnt allowed the hormone one as my gp said it would make me even more mental (she didnt use those words exactly) so I had the copper one, it was dreadful, floods of the stuff, I was glad to get shot of it
so yes getting rid of the hormone one will help calm your moods
I wanted shot of my coil but DH wouldnt sort out the snip, so after seeing a friends new born baby I pretended I was broody, and he booked the snip that day har har har
Missing, you are absolutely right! Statistics are not current on sucess rates. I was very surprised to find this thread and hear some positives regardign these types of surgeries. My doctor is very experienced in these kinds of procedures, has done hundreds of TVTs and almost 1000 posterior repairs. He also explained to me why some of the older TVTs didn't work and caused damage resulting in law suits against the company. I just always look at the possibility of everything going wrong, that way I am never shocked if it does. If all goes well then I fell even better about things.
I had my pre-op assessment today , in my local hospital , not the one where the op will be. The tests didn't show any problems, phew. The nurse stressed that it's major surgery ( thank you, I did know that ) and that as long as you really take it easy at first , you can expect to be properly back to normal ( different normal from before , I hope ) by about 3 months. I'm feeling like you, Jewel - oh well, here we go , kind of thing.
A homoeopath friend has sent me some remedies which I shall sneak into my mouth at appropriate moments. Won't hurt, might help.
Missing you crafty thing! I'm not sure my other half would take the bait - he would rather another child. He said no one will 'snip' anything in that area. Thank goodness its up to the women to have children, it would be a small world if left to the men. Big babies!
Footle be careful what homoeopathic drugs you take - don't want anything it interfere with your anaesthetic. They use all sorts of drugs and you never know if they will interact. I would concentrate on deep breathing and relaxation techniques to help before the op... and then after you will be floating for a while! so you can just rest.
I wouldn't mix herbal remedies with allopathic ( conventional ) medicine but have no worries with these particular homoeopathic ones to help with healing afterwards. Like I said , might help, won't hurt.
Can't wait to get on with it now.
Hee hee it's him that didn't want any more kids, I would have liked 8 but apparently I am a complete dragon when I am pregnant (moi?!?!?) not sure our marriage would have survived another one. I do recall telling him every friday (he was posted away and used to come home at the weekends) to just go back to camp, for the duration of the second pregnancy so maybe he has a point....
HI All and thanks jewllerymom for asking..
I am not doing too well, sorry to all those that are pre-surgery but I don;t think this has worked out for me and my cystocele, piles and frequent trips to the loo have all come back! The bulge is bulging as much as ever and I am only 1 week 2 days post op! Sods law it would have to be me whose op has failed. Cant stop crying. Its all been for nothing.
Is there any benefit to what I have just gone through? Or is a failure just a failure, end of story? I got my letter today for my post op check for end of June, do I leave it till then or say anything now?
I am gutted.
If this is where you are now, I suggest you contact the consultant/hospital now. Don't leave it till the 6 week check. It may be that the current situation is the result of swelling etc, and that it may settle down - you won't know if you don't ask.
Flowers , that sounds like great advice . It may be that you're expecting too much too soon .. it sounds really discouraging but I think there were some people on the first thread who thought it had all been for nothing and then it turned out OK .
Get in touch with the ward or the consultant's secretary ( the hospital or your GP should give you the number if you haven't got it ) on Monday. Tell us what happens. Fingers crossed.
Flowers - try not to panic until you have seen someone. It will take such a long time for swelling to go down and things to settle but at the same time, yes, you speak to someone and get things checked. Although I bet they will tell you to give it a couple more weeks until some more healing has happened. Don't lose heart though, if they can do it once they can try again. The doctor told me that as I am young to have one already (33) I am very likely to have another one! Great! Just keep eating/drinking what you can to avoid straining and make sure you are doing nothing that may result in you putting pressure on your pelvic floor. Did they say it would help piles? I didn't think it would have any effect on them (tbh my piles and fissures cause me more pain than the bloody rectocele! )
Whatever happens keep going at it and get it sorted even if it means more surgery. Don't give up. You've come too far to let it all be a waste of time.
See a doc and take whatever action you need. Keep the ball rolling so to speak!
Much love. Keep your chin up. We're here for you if only in print!
I had a very early morning today (in torrential rain) setting up for a local craft fair. Boy I'm cream crackered! Lovely day though, selling my wares! Made me a little sad knowing I won't be up for another one for at least a couple of months as I won't be able to manage all the lugging about and being on my feet all day. Hey Ho!
Having a lovely day off tomorrow - first one since the beginning of April!!!!! Going to wander round an antiques fair. No thoughts of work of operations tomorrow just some self indulgence! I can start my worrying a fresh on Monday!!!
Ordered a lovely new reclining bench today for the garden. Thought I may be spending quite a bit if time reading my book in the garden over the next few weeks!
Hope your weekends are going well and that you are happy about the long awaited rain (UK peeps)
speak to you again before my op on Thursday.
Take it easy and love your life whatever it dishes out! These things only make us stronger
PS my Hubble had the snip a couple of years back. Best thing ever!
No more kiddies, no nasty hormones for me and no passion killing condoms!
And it's nice to feel he's done his bit , isn't it ? after all the bits we just have to do.
Happy Mum's day everyone!
We had our Mothering Sunday a few weeks back, Rect. Enjoy yours.
Hi everyone. I'm doing my last check in before my op tomorrow. I'm nil by mouth from midnight and have to be in hospital by 7:30. I am hoping that I do not have to wait too long before the op or I might be seen running down the coridoor towards the EXIT sigh in my gown .
Good luck to footle and jewelry and any others going in next week and I will catch up after I get home.
Good luck Meg, we will all be thinking of you
Happy Mothers day Rect
Flowers, I had an episode of peeing a lot that calmed down, and even now, at 6 weeks, when I saw the doc he said it will be another 6 weeks before everything is feeling normal. I am hoping my tape has worked but can't be 100% sure at this early stage.
At one week everything was swollen sore and ridiculous so you just can't tell at this stage.
I hope you get to see someone tomorrow (at the hospital, not the gp) who will be able to advise properly.
Best of luck xx
Meg, very best luck. I'll be going in Tues and having it done on Wed, so 48 hours behind you.
Geronimo , more or less !
What a busy week for the mumsnet repair ladies! Three of us this week!
Good luck for tomorrow Meg and to you footle, my surgery buddy on Wednesday. I will LITERALLY be bringing up the rear on Thursday!
I hope we are all well enough to post ASAP so that I can hear and share how we all get on through the first few days/weeks!
The nerves have set in a little this evening. My blasted father in law who I have spent all day with has this evening decided he is coming down with some flu thing that a bloke at work has! Great! If I get it will they still operate! I couldn't cope if it got postponed after all this build up!!
Hope we all have a succesful week
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And I hope none of us get postponed for any reason. No you definitely aren't coming down with flu Jewel, it's quite out of the question.
This time next week the 3 of us will all have it , um, behind us.
Thank you for dismissing my cold Footle, I just needed someone to put it out of my head!!! LOL!!!
Anything I can possibly worry about, I will!!!!
How's the cleaning going!?!? I have so much blinkin ironing to do!
Tomorrow I have to wax (I know its not neccessary but I do anyway and I'm not going in looking like a hedgehog. Then I have to label and invoice stock for the shops I supply to make sure they are fully stocked before I naff off for a couple of weeks!
Tuesday is ironing day and food shopping and a visit to my hairdresser for a quick dye (again, not for the op but my premature grey roots look shocking!)
And Wednesday is cleaning day!!!
My new MP3 player is loading with my favourite songs and I have new slippers! PLus I have lactulose ready in the cupboard!
So I think I am almost there! I need to keep busy to stop me thinking about gemeral anasthetics!!!!
Nice to be buddy with someone who is my complete opposite ! I barely know what irons, hoovers etc are for , and I like to think my grandchildren build up their immune systems nicely when they're here. Things are tidy most of the time, and we wash ourselves , our clothes , bedding, and our dishes fervently, but deep down grown-up housecleaning has never really featured much.
I'm planting out strawberries and beans , having last cups of coffee with friends, and choosing some books and some knitting, though if I can't sit I don't think I'll be able to knit much.
Don't worry about the anaesthetic, Jewel - that's when you just float away. Oh God now I am worrying about it...
Meg must be in hospital by now, with a lot of good wishes from us all.
Thanks for the messages of support, I am feeling much better now after a rough weekend, esp. Saturday. I am not phoning the ward as I have no real 'proof' my op hasnt worked, I just got my knickers in a twist for some silly reason (scuse the pun) and then looked online and reinforced the idea by what I found out... Bit shocked to read just how many poor women this op DOES fail for, my heart goes out to them, not sure at this stage (week 2) that I could EVER contemplate another op if it hasnt worked, some poor things have had 2 or 3 now and still not right.
But fingers crossed mine has worked, no point getting worked up like that till after the post op check at week 6, I am so sorry I behaved like that, only you guys will understand that I can only cope with it all if I think its worked, so I am putting those neagtive thoughts away for now and concentrate on getting better.
Good luck and best wishes to all going in this week!
careful what you read on the net, there are some american sites full of horror stories, nearly made me cancel my op
I think Rect has some info on why - in the days gone by - the TVT op used to fail more than it does now
I have had exactly the same thing tho - I have had a few times when I think argh it hasn't worked!!! and I feel sick to my stomach
Not sure if this is any help - for the TVT op for example I know that by peeing so often for years that your bladder shrinks. So although I can go ages now, often I still go often, due to shrunk bladder. I did think about trying to hold on for ages but I think that was a bad idea, I mentioned it on the 6 week check and he said oh no don't do that. I think over time the bladder will grow to a bigger size again, but it's not going to be immediate.
So what I am getting at, even with all the stitchery things will take time to settle, inflamation to go down etc etc and all you have to do now is rest and think happy thoughts xxxx
How are you doing Meg? Let us know as soon as you are able!
Footle - What time are in tomorrow? Are you early on Wednesday? Is that why you are in for the night before?
Just been told to ring back a bit later and probably don't have to be there till 4. No idea why they want me in overnight - I probably will get done early tomorrow because I have a minor problem with latex ,which means the theatre is supposed to be latex-free just in case I explode , but they didn't know that when they told me to come today. It just seems to be their procedure. I feel even more jangly now, was ready to leave at any minute.
Well at least they didn't cancel me !
How are you doing, Jewel ? Btw I'd love to see your jewellery but I suppose posting a website would spoil your privacy on here.
Hey Footle - Kepp those jangles under wraps - you can do it! (she says as she trembles slightly at the thought!) WE CAN DO THIS!!! LOL
I'm not sure that I'm too worried about my privacy! I was going to post my website earlier but actually thought it may be a bit low to 'advertie' myself on a thread about having our bits fixed!!! LOL. Can you PM on here? I could send you a link via a message!!!
Try not to stress too much today, I know it will be difficult so just keep yourself busy! Any last bits of shopping you need or maybe you could the iron out and reaquaint yourself with it! LOL LOL (or you could nip down here and do mine!!!!)
Best Best wishes for tomorrow - As I am hardly ever parted from my laptop or Iphone I imagine I will try and do a quick reply post-op on Thursday!!!
Lovely stuff, Em , I'm tempted . Pretty site too.
Thank you - Now go get your Fou Fou sorted out!!! x x x x
Still here, have to ring again at 2.30. Watch out Em, I'll be down to do the ironing all wrong any minute now.
On your way could you please pick up some milk and a loaf of bread - the ones with the seeds in!
Are they just waiting to turf someone else out to give you a bed??
"Mrs Jones I'm sorry that you are still having trouble with your BMs but we need your bed, we have Mrs F coming in at 4pm!!!"
FINALLY. They still don't sound in any hurry to see me but Mrs Jones has presumably left the building, and I can't stand hanging around any longer.
Wish I had a smartphone. It says here Do not use mobile phones within the hospital. They have got to be joking. I shall be texting under the blankets. That greedy BT just wants us to use their equipment.
Jewel, good luck with yours, Meg I hope you're feeling reasonably well when you read this, see you all soon.
Big Hugs x See you on the other side!
Good luck Footle and Jewellerymum!
Wishing and hoping you have a pain free op and recovery!! xxx
Good luck Footle and Jewel. Can't wait to hear from you both after you are home again. Wish you well.
Good luck ladies, fingers crossed all goes swimmingly xx
Cor the nerves have really set in!!!
All the cleaning is done, ironing, jewellery orders etc etc!!
Just a food shop left!
Would love to hear how Meg has got on before I go in! Also hoping I can use my mobile in hospital!
Footle - thinking of you and sending happy healthy vibes x x
ALL THE LADIES ON HERE - A huge thank you for all the support and well wishes in the lead up to my op. Your candid thoughts have meant so much to me! I will be back as soon as physically possible (or as soon as the hospital let me use my the internet on my phone) to let you know how it has all gone!
Happy Happy Healing to you all x x x x
Footle, I just want to respond to your comment regarding ablation. I understand what you are saying in your opinion about life being better without a period. My flow has not been pleasant, slowed down in the last 6 months, so I am hoping menopause is in the near future.
I think with being in tune about where I am in my cycle is true, but only to a certain degree. I get total confirmation when my period arrives as to why I am a crazy girl. Even with that, prior to the actual bleeding, I for some reason always think I am going crazy. It is like my mind just is not convinced that my period can be the cause of it all. Many years ago, I actually did go into the psychiatric hospital several times because of this because I was suicidal. All their drugs would not help me in any way, for 8-9 years they tried to help me, but hormones are just nasty. I guess for the past 7 years now I have learned to deal with it better and completely psych. drug free. I guess the fear of not having absolute confirmation about it is quite scarey, I don't want to spend anymore time in the mental hospital, I am a completely normal highfunctioning individual and I am embarrassed by what it used to be like for me.
Best of wishes to you in your op. and recovery, I can't remember if it is today or tomorrow for you, but good luck!! xoxo
Meg was Monday, Footle today and I'm tomorrow!!! LOL
Good luck ladies! hope all goes well for you! S x
Wow it seems weid, three of you are going to be away for a bit until you are home and ready to tell all. I hope all is well for all three of you. I think you are 7 hours ahead of me, so that means jewel is going in fairly soon as it is already Thursday there. I will be in the same position next Thursday, starting to get a bit anxious now. Have lots to do to keep my mind off of it though.
Missing, glad you are still off work for a bit, that is great for you. Do you still think that the TVT might not have worked for the leakage? I want so bad for that procedure to work above everything else. The success rate is only 80% and of the 20% left, 10% feel some improvement, 5% feel slight improvement and 5% have absolutely no improvement. Out of 100 woman 1 will have a total disaster and end up with vaginal erosion which I understand is devastating. Thbese are factual stats I got from my doc and looked it up online with the company manufacturing the sling.
The horror stories regarding lawsuits were towards a manufacturer from 8-10 years ago. The tape was not designed with mesh type holes and this caused the tape to erode the urethra over time and left woman completely incontinent. It actually killed the tissues it rested against because it was a solid unbreathabble tape. The TVts designed now are breathable mesh, allowing tissues to adhere to it nad become part of it without causing tissue death.
Well that's all I know, sorry for the long post, just had a lot to get down, haven't been in touch always this past week.
Hello, i'm back!
I came home yesterday afternoon so only 2 nights in thank goodness.
I went in Monday at 7:30 and went down to theatre at about 10:15 (I was second on the list). When I saw the surgeon he told me I also had posterior and uterine prolapse but not as bad as cystocele. I tild him do what you need to even hysterectomy if necessary as I would prefer not to come back. In the end he only did the anterior repair as he said others not too bad.
I was put to sleep at 11am and woke up in recovery at 1pm. As my bleeding was not too much they did not pack me. I had a large sanitary pad which they left between my legs and checked and changed regularly.
I was severly uncomfortable with the catheter and needed lots of pain relief until I was comfortable. They removed that Tuesday morning and gave me a bed bath. later that day I walked gingerly to the toilet and sat on it, feeling like my insides might fall down it (they didn't!)
I was lucky in that I had no nausea and started to eat and drink so the drip was removed and felt much more comfortable and was able to move around a bit more in bed.
I came home with Lactulose, co-codamol and ibuprofen. I had a BM last night (it was like having a baby including labour before hand ) but didnt really hurt. I have heeded the warnings about the codeine and constipation so will only use them if in a lot of pain.
Need to lie down now as I am typing this laying on my side in bad and really tired already! Hope the others are going well and can't wait to hear their stories. It's funny, all the magazines and books, puzzle books I packed I didnt need in the end as I was too zonked to concentrate!
Im sure I will have more questions but im not thinking straight at the moment x
Well done Meg, glad its all over for you, now rest and take care of yourself xx
Good for you Meg, I hope I am as brave as you were. Just reading your post got me very nervous for next week. I also plan to let the doctor know prior to surgery, to do whatever he feels is necessary to fix me. I am having the posterior repair and the TVT. I think that my cystocele is really a lot worse than he thinks, but then I don't really have any others to compare it to.
Keep us posted as you feel up to it, but you're recovery is #1 right now, so take it easy.
Glad to hear your story.
Rect sorry didn't want to make you nervous. I am glad I had it done even though it's early days. They take great care of you in hospital. Don't be afraid to tell them if you are in pain as they tend to start small (paracetamol) but are happy to give you more on top of it as required. I had more lots .
I told you I'd do this - woke up an hour ago and here I am with an update!!! LoL - they unfortunately couldn't surgically remove my iPhone!
I feel surprisingly well. Perhaps that's all thedrugs!
They just did a rectocele repair. Haven't spoken to surgeon yet but it all seems to have gone to plan.
My only discomfort is heartburn (which I'm sure is due to not eating for a while) and I hate the catheter. It doesn't hurt but is just 'odd'!!
So, so far so good!
Staying in tonight and then home tomorrow all being well
A little apprehensive about how I feel when the cocktail of drugs wears off but apart from that it's all fine!
Love to all x
Wow jewelry I bow down to you. I was totally away with the fairys for the first 24 hours! Glad it went well and keep us updated!
I know! I'm really surprised too! I'm wondering whether they've actually done anything! 4 hours since I woke up and I have a very light ache low down in my tummy a big like a mild period pain. Maybe he went in and didn't think it needed doing!!! If not for thd catheter I think I would've been happy going home but it's good for hubbie to have a nice quiet night!
One moan - I flipping hate plastic NHS beds! I'm so blinking hot and have to keep peeling myself off it despite the sheet between me and it!! Lol
Right book reading time
X x x x x
You are a good advert for surgery. Long may it continue.
Wow! Jewel and Meg, you too are amazing, maybe I'll be so lucky too. So tell me, what drugs did you settle with in the Hosp.? Were you nervous just before going in? I think I am most nervous about having the spinal block, when they put the needle in my back, don't know what to expect. Hope the sedatives are good!
The next most unnerving part is having the 1st and perhaps 2nd, 3rd , 4th, etc. BMs.
Well I have less than a week to wait Talk to you soon.
16 hours post op and still amazed at how well I feel!
I arrived yesterday at 12 but didn't go to anaesthetic until 3.15. By then I was a wreck but kept the tears back!!
Was chatting to one nurse while another injected into canula on back of my hand. My face went a little pin prickly and then I woke up in recovery. 4.20pm wasn't award of any tube - she said I spat it out!
For ten minutes I talked and talked to the recovery nurse like a nutcase as I was so glad I was alive! Had trouble keeping my eyes open bug was awake.
At 4.30 I was back on the ward all smiles and on the phone to my mum and dad!
Right - medication - one lot of Morphine, diclofenic and paracetamol to start with at 2pm
Then at 10pm last night had more diclo and para but refused codeine
Also blood thinner injection
This morning have just had para
Pretty much I have no pain!
The catheter was not fun to start with as I felt like I was erring myself but soon this sensation went and I wasn't aware of any fluids moving and it was wonderful to fill my body full of lpads of water and not have to keep weeing!
By 5 this morning I had had enough of it was achey and it was takenout at 6am. Ouch!!! Flippin heck. Glad it only took a second as it stung like merry hell!
Two and a bit hours and not been for wee yet. Passing wind (sorry TMI).
Virtually no bleeding - no packing - just a pad but only one while in bed.
I am being realistic I am sure I will have more pain and bleeding when I move round more but I am genuinely surprised at how well feel
Just waiting to see what the surgeon has to say and what he's actually done. Can't feel any perineal stitches so think it's all interior. Perhaps it only needed one or two?
I'll let you all know
Big kisses to all esp this weeks patients! Hope yours doing ok Meg and Footle
Rect, I has morphine in recovery room then on the ward had paracetamol and oral morphine and/or diclophenac (sp?) I dont know if having an anterior repair may be different with regards to BM but I did not have pain as such. It is difficult as you dont want to 'push' it out through fear of bursting stiches or pain. I sat there for ages, then stood up, then sat down, rubbed my back etc. I had a few fase alarms where I thought I was going to poo and instead did a massive fart . After, my stomach ached but not too terrible. I think the lactulose makes you windy but it is helping to soften things. I also had one dose of senocot in hospital.
I know it's easy to say but don't worry too much as they really do take good care of you.
Sorry for all the spelling mistakes. Predictive text is a pain! Hope you can figure out what I mean!
Jewel, my first wee was red with blood. No one warned me about that!
Why is the first wee bloody? The BM issue is going to be so scarey, that I really don't know if I will eat until I am healed. I can remember postpartum how painful having a BM was. Probably for the first two months. I had it with all 6 of my children. It seemed like when the stool was entering the rectal area I could feel a horrible stabbing pain inside that would not pass until I passed the stool completely. It was horrible. It was probably due to intestines going back to their place after delivery and all the bruising feeling along the rectal muscle area. Knowing that they are now cutting the vaginal wall right along the rectal muscle and then sewing that back together, I am terrified for the pain afterwards during a BM. I almost passed out having a BM after my kids were born, this is going to be awful. I am not too wimpy, had children without pain med during labour. i guess there is nothing I can do about it, whatever happens, happens.
Keep healing ladies!
Rect, hopefully jewellerymum will have a positive story about post surgery BM as she has had the same exact procedure as you.
I had the blood I think fron the catheter. Each wee I had, had less in it until after about 4 or so wees it was fine except if blood dripped from my wound in to the toilet bowl. The first couple of wees you do after the procedure, you collect for them so they can make sure your bladder is not retaining urine. When I did the first one i was shocked as it had lots of blood (was totally red) but the nurse looked very casual about it and said that it didn't worry her. I assume it was from the catherter removal although she didn't say and I didn't ask.
For those ladies that have had this done - I have an ache from my waist down throughout my whole abdomen a bit like period pain. Can anyone tell me if this is normal please? I expect they pushed and pulled my insides about whilst they were in there?
Jewell - that is just what I did, I woke up from the op and was so glad to be alive I stroked the recovery nurses face saying "thank you, thank you" cos I was so happy - when I sobered up I was quite embarrassed...!
Rect, I think, I hope, the TVT has worked, sometimes I think argh no it hasnt then other times I don't go for ages and am sure its perfect, so I am at the moment refusing to think anything negative and let myself not worry for another 6 weeks. I am sure I have improvement but until I am back to normal activity levels I just can't really tell for sure. Even if I have some improvement but not 100% then I will still be happy. I refuse to be one of the 1%!!
What you have described there, the pre poo pain, that is the worst part of this for me BUT its only been when I have taken the codeine, so if you eat piles of veg, dates and so on, and skip the codeine as much as poss you might be ok. I am eating lots of salad, mushrooms etc at the mo and its very effective!
My first wee only had a bit of blood in it, I think everyone's different and as you pee in a bowl so they can check you are outputting properly, the nurse will be checking it and so will tell you if there's anything worrisome. After a catheter for a day, with me drinking everything I could, my first wees were HUGE it was great fun after tiny wees for the last 5 years
good recovery ladies, it's all onwards and upwards from here xx
Missing, did you get general abdominal ache like period pains during your recovery?
Meg - I have the same pain
From my waist downwards - including my lower back
I am little more uncomfortable today but am back home now and had to walk to the car etc etc.
I am already stressing about BMs - I feel that it is there low down in my bowel but I dont have a huge urge to go yet and so would only do it with straining! The slightest straining makes me bleed so I just avoiding it for now - taking lactulose, drinking as much as poss!
TBH I think the majority of my 'tummy' pain is that I need a poo!!!!
Hoping that some more lactulose tonight and a good sleep will lead to a movement in the morning!!!
Still feeling OK but the initial 'wow' has worn off a little now I am home and am realising it wont be easy with the healing and trying no to do stuff! My mum has told me to stay in my Pjs all weekend to remind people that I am ill!
Think I will!
Kisses to all
jewel, that's exactly the same I have got so must be normal. I found with the BM was to wait until the urge was strong, then it comes naturaly without too much pushing. I have been eating fruit/sultanas and drinking lots of liquids and with that and the lactlose have been ok. Don't get stressed about it as the more you realx the easier it will be!
Thanks Meg - I know it's just as much about mental as it is physical!!!!
When you worry about something it makes it worse! The fresh blood when I go for a wee makes it more scarey!!!
Footle??? Where are you? We need to hear from you to complete this weeks patient updates! Hope you are OK. Love to hear from you when you are able x x x
Re the abdominal pain I just cant remember. I took a lot of pain killers so think that probably masked it, then I suffered for that (the painkillers) later when I finally had BMs
to be honest all the abdominal pain was poo pain, and it was grim so eat that lettuce, that fruit, ladies!!
and yes, stay in your pjs for the first week and if poss, stay upstairs!! I was like a mad lady in the attic, didnt go downstairs till one week after op
have a good restful day ladies, and hope footle is ok xx
Footle, I hope you are okay. Post when you can.
Well I was at my daughter's grad last night and her friend's mom told me about her surgery for cystocele repair from 12 years ago. I am thinking that a TVT sounds much better. She had her op done from the lower pelvic area. They stitched her ligaments that hold up the bladder and urethra back to their original spot. After she was done, she couldn't wee on her own, so they put the catheter back in and she went home with it and had it in for 2 weeks. Got an infection from it and felt rather housebound, she refused to go out with the bag hanging from her leg. Anyway, it did work for her, but now she told me she has to have it done again. I told her they have less invasive ways to fix it now. She wants a hysterectomy to stop bleeding, but they won't do one. I told her about endometrial ablation. Now she wants to go in and have both things done. She was really happy she fixed her bladder and would do it again. By the way, she had 4 kids and she does a lot of heavy lifting on the farm, that's why her repair has worn out. She is in her late 40s.
I am getting nervous I think I can't seem to get a good nights sleep. I am tired, but keep getting up early in the morning and I hate mornings, would sleep in till 9 everyday if I could, but I have been getting up at 5:00 a.m. I feel kind of queazy and nervous a lot of the time. Oh I hope I don't chicken out at the last minute.
A bit up and down today!
Was silly of me to think yesterday that I was 100% so soon!!
Slept really well after my first toilet traumas (sorry TMI). Tbh my main worries today have been BMs!! Once I started I was going every few hours! Have cut back on the lactulose!! It is just terrifying every time you feel the urge because of stressing the stitches. There has been fresh blood but only a little and none in-between toilet visits.
Was a bit teary this morning as I realised that I have a big row of stitches in my vagina!! And will have for a few weeks! Fortunately they are all internal so sitting is not a problem.
My round up for today is that I have been uncomfortable, like period pain and the second half of today have become aware that I am sore inside. Pain is only a 4 out of 10. My bowels have been gurgling gurgling gurgling all day and BMs are more worrying than painful!
Not sure how many days I can sit on the sofa for, but also realise that after 5 mins of puttering around the house I ache and gave to sit again!
Think my lovely husband is already over the novelty of having to look after me plus his hayfever has kicked in today so he is like a bear with a sore head! Looking forward to boys going to school on Monday as am finding the noise a bother! ( although they are trying hard to be angels)
I guess I spent so long worrying about the op and the general anaesthetic that I failed to think about having a few weeks of stitches in my you know what! It would be easier to have a broken leg, at least then you look like you should be sat on you'd bum all day!
But, for the ease of the op and the fact that the pain isn't too major I would recommend the op definitely. I even think it felt different going to the loo today, already (TMI warning) like it kind of shot out! It didn't go round any corners of get lost at a dead end so to speak!
Long way to go but I know it's do-able !!!
Much love x x
Jewel, You sure have a good grasp on what and why you're feeling the way you are. I think I will feel quite depressed afterwards, I don't like feeling useless and I definitely like to feel more comfortable physically than I will after the surgery.
I am getting nervous now as my busy time with work and committments are done. Now I have to get the laundry done and clean the house and plant the gaarden and have three days to do that. What did you do to keep busy just before surgery?
Well I am going to bed. Keep me poster.
Hi girls. I'm on day 6 after surgery today. This time last week it was the day before my op.
I woulld say my pain is about 4 as well so long as I keep taking the pain killers. One thing i learned at my expense was to keep them going so the pain does not build up otherwise it's harder to keep under control. I am still alternating ibuprofen and paracetamol and save my co-codamol for bed time if I can. I am having 5ml of lactulose 3 times a day and that, with fresh orange juice and fruit etc so far has kept them soft enough to pass without too much trauma. Jewel, youre right about the gurgling and wind flying around your insides. Mine feel like there is something moving around in there sometimes. Must be the lactulose.
I still have some bleeding but only like that of the end of a period. I also have watered down blood when I wipe after a wee but it's slowly becoming less and less.
I have a period due in the next week or two so will have to contend with that using sanitary towels, nice!.
I am still lying down quite a lot but that is because I fing being upright quite uncomfortable, especially sitting. That is also slowly improving with time.
My mum and dad have visited every day and keep saying do you feel better yet? I think it's going to be hard for people to understand it will take weeks until we feel better although at least now I can report small improvements.
Jewel, my DH has so far been fab but I do wonder how long it will be before he feels the burden of being 'mum' and doing all the little things I would normally do.
Rect, you will be absolutely fine! This time next week it will all be over!
With regards to footle, I onder if they kept her in over the weekend? I overheard someone say in hospital that if you don't get discharged on the Friday you have to stay till Monday as there is no Consultant to discharge you over the weekend? Don't know if thats applicable in every hospital though.
Keep your chins up ladies xx
Rect, please try not to worry too much - Yes, I was terrified before I went in - sat in the ward waiting with my head in my hands asking why o why I was doing it! In the anasthetic room I was virtually in tears, shaking and questioning what I was doing, but it really really isnt that bad.
I would say that the whole process is more drawn out and long winded than anything. Recovery will take quite a long time but this will be at a low level of discomfort! My parents and Grandma visited today and I talked candidly to them about what is was like before and when I said that for the last three years I was having to manually 'help' with BMs, was worried every time I was intimate that I would have an 'accident' I realised why I had this done!
There is no guarantee that this will work but I cant be any worse than I was!
Your symptoms are not life threatening.
You CAN live without this operation.
It WILL be difficult for a few weeks.
It will be unfomfortable and be sore.
By by goodness Rect, don't you think you deserve a better quality of life?
As far as I am concerned you only get one go at all this - why spend all this time feeling so wretched!
Someone can fix this for you. Let them!
X X X X
And do ANYTHING you can to keep busy for the next few days - regrout the bathroom, clean out your kitchen cupboards, wash the curtains! I loved coming home to an extraordinarily clean house!!! LOL
Hugs X X X X
Plus, Rect, please accept this as a very small virtual kick up the bum - you need to go into this with a positive attitude - It will go well. I will cope with the pain. I will heal quickly. My life will improve.
Stop thinking that you will be depressed otherwise you are plotting the outcome! No one likes to feel useless but get prepared with stuff to do afterwards that you can do sitting down. I am using my laptop a lot. Preparing new things for my website, making jewellery on a tray. Colouring in (yes I know its kids stuff but i love it!), doodling, reading, knitting, puzzles and you can sleep! If you're already lying down you may as well!
Jewel, you're absolutely right. I will be more positive. I can work on many things sitting down. I am a photographer and am designing a new website as well. I do love to knit and have a project started. I will have plenty of things to do for sure. I just feel bad that it is not the things in particular that need to be done is all. I wait out every long winter to finally be able to go outside and garden and well it will be delayed this year and I won't be able to do the gardening I did last year. Gotta go, company at the door. talk soon!
I'm back, company's left. Trying to remain in a better frame of mind. I just find myself feeling sickly and nervous in the stomach, I really can't control it. It might be partly premenstrual as I am close to my period, which doesn't help any under these circumstances. I know I will get to the hospital and act like nothing is bothering me, but inside I will be feeling rather beside myself emotionally. I am actually tired of waiting for the outcome, I just want to deal with it and get it over with. I know then I will feel better about things, even if I'm in pain. I am really hoping for my surgery to be booked in the early morning. I won't know until I phone in the night before. The biggest reason is I drink a lot of water and I find it really difficult to go that many hours without water, the later in the day I am the longer I feel thirsty. The other reason of course is feeling nervous while I wait out the day. I know I will deal with it, just want it to happen already.
Bye for now
Everything you are describing is completely normal! If you didn't feel thi way I'd be worried. Times flys and before you know it you'll be day 4 like me. It will go so fast! You cannot remove you nerves, I get that, just make sure you remain in control! You won't turn round and do a runner because you need this and you've waited for it! Nerves are a simple human reaction to the unknown. Now get those last seedlings planted, fill the freezer with yummy food and get yourself ready! I'm going back to bed! Because I can!
Rect, its so normal to feel like that, I think we all did. Mad cleaning is great. Imagine, you will be fixed and everything will be lovely...! but it will take time.
Thanks jewel and missing! You guys would understand and I believe you. I will clean my house for the next couple of days as it needs it and it is a huge house, so lots to clean here. Wind has calmed down finally and so the garden can be done today. My husband has the greenhouse set up so I when I feel better I can go out and water the plants without lifting heavy water jugs. I am curious about how long it will take before I can make that walk out to the garden and greenhouse. I is about 100 meters from the house down a little hill. I can see it from my bedroom balcony, so that is nice too. I will not push myself though as hubby is totally capable of taking things while I'm laid up. So jewel, can I ask you what your website is? I would love to see your jewellery. Thanks again, you ladies are wonderful.
Hi Rect. You'll be able to walk short distances, but will need to sit down as soon as you get whereever you'e going! It will make you ache, like a heavy dragging feeling but it wont damage you as long as it is just a short potter. I am avoiding walk as much as possible but have been up and down stairs to the loo and around the house. I would be concerned about you lifting even little jusgs of water tho!!!!
A week or two of sitting seems like a long time but it will go quickly!
I know that it is really daughnting (sp?) but once you have decided that enough is eough you just have to grit your teeth and take the plunge!
I'll PM you my website as I wouldn't want anyone to think i was shamelessley advertising! There isn't that much stock on there, but enjoy your browsing!!!
Thanks Em. re: website and info. I won't be lifting water jugs at all. He is putting large buckets of water in the greenhouse with an old well ladel in it. It holds about 2 cups of water and I will just scoop the water in the plant pots that are in the greenhouse. There is a lawn chair in there too, so I can sit when I get there. I like sitting in the greenhouse, smells so fresh and it is warm, makes me feel good. I believe that I have convinced myself that I will take it really easy for the first month for sure and just ease back into activity slowly. I don't want to end up overdoing it and setting myself back. I have a wedding to photograph on July 23rd. I must be ready for a big day by then, so I just have to take it easy and heal. Talk to you later.
Here I am ! Just catching up on everything before I reply properly xxx
Hi Footle, glad you are out there, was getting worried. Don't worry about us, just yet, but nice of you to brief yourself on the goings on. I have the nervous feeling pretty much every time I think about another three days, but I am dealing with everything the best way I can. I am not obsessed about it though. I have lots to do for now, so can't wait to hear from you soon.
Hello Footle, glad you're back. xx
Hi Footle glad you're back, hope it all went well and you are ok.
It went really well. I came home last night.I had a single room - just by luck - and felt calm once I was there. I was first on the list on Wed , surgeon and anaesthetist were reassuring and I walked down to theatre after a shower. The worst time was the first 24 hours after the op. I had a big vaginal pack which caused lots of pressure in my bladder so I didn't even feel the catheter , but it felt like desperately needing a pee for the whole time. But I had morphine and was able to drift through it , knowing it wasn't for long. I had a pad because the vaginal pack is wet with serous ? fluid which leaked. On Thurs morning the nurse started to take the pack out gently, but she stopped and gave me extra morphine as it felt too painful/weird - a long long strip of gauze. She said she couldn't even tell me how near the end we were because the theatre staff just pack in as much as they can and it's different for everyone. After that was over - maybe 4 or 5 minutes going slowly - she left the catheter in so I could lie still for an hour or so , not have to get up to pee, and sleep off the shock. Then she hoicked the catheter out, which hurt for a couple of seconds only.
The surgeon came and explained what he'd done. He excised the damaged tissue from a big episiotomy scar, and was able to stretch undamaged tissue to cover it. He sewed a seam as long as his thumb - a biggish man, I didn't measure his thumb - and anchored the repaired wall with stitches to the "perineal body" which the physio told me is the inside, upper part of the perineum. I have NO stitches on the outside, which must make healing easier.
I don't agree with whoever said she won't eat so she won't have to have a BM. It has to come , and the longer it waits the drier and harder it will be. I ate and drank and also took Movicol twice a day. On Sat morning I felt awful, was desperate to poo but it hurt too much, and I was told not to strain - not that I could bear to. I spent an hour or two walking up and down the corridor not knowing what to do with myself , and in the end I asked a nurse if she could help in any way. She was great , got me to lie down while she put two glycerine suppositories up my bum ( I'd never have been a nurse ) and told me to hang on as long as I could. I managed about 10 minutes and then shuffled to the loo where blissful release occurred. Praise the lord. It has been pretty much OK since.
This is getting awfully long, I'll post it and maybe carry on tomorrow.
I'm home anyway and pretty comfortable, still taking 1g of paracetamol every 6 hours and 50mg Tramadol if I really need it. Meg I completely agree about not letting the pain break through, it's hard to get on top of it again. BMs are painful but not that bad, and like Jewel said, it feels so different that they come straight down and out. I have that period-pain feeling too,maybe it's just general swollen feeling from being messed about ?
Everyone had mobiles with them. The nurse said they try and stop people disturbing others with them, but in a single room I was fine. Jewel I should have asked for your number so we could have texted ( I haven't got a smartphone yet ), I was thinking about you and Meg. Glad it all went OK and DON"T overdo it. My daughter visited with big baby Joe - it was heavenly to see him , and heavenly not to have to look after him and his siblings. I don't know how you girls manage after these ops.
Rect, it will be OK you know ? I know you're having more done than me but you sound a strong, sensible woman - you'll get through this, it is NOT the end of the world. And stop reading about bad stuff - it's not going to happen to you ! I've describe the worst things that have happened to me : I was given drugs to help , and it was all bearable. I haven't had any codeine : Tramadol is a morphine derivative but it hasn't constipated me. In fact I seem to have verbal diahorrea so I shall stop.
Ladies, you've all been so brave and done so well.
Rect, you will do well too. You have loads of positive vibes coming from us here.
Listening to your recovery stories has made my mind up for me; I'm not going to pursue the surgery route until my dd is older. She's only 10 months and there's no way I could rest the way you're meant to post op'.
Guess I'll have to find other ways of coping for a while.
I do find it heartening to know there is a solution out there though.x.
Footle, sounds like things are going well, was concerned about what might have happened. So is it routine to stay in hospital as long as you had. I don't think here in Canada they let you stay in very long, which is fine by me as I feel more comfortable at home.
I spent the entire day cleaning, planting garden, organizing, hanging pictures and doing all those things I have procrastinated for so long. I feel great now for having done all that. I have a whole new list for tomorrow and Wednesday.
I am also trying to prepare my bowels for post-op, so I have been eating extra fiber and drinking extra water. I thought it might help for the first bowel movement.
I take tramadol when my fibromyalgia and arthritis are acting up. It is a pretty good drug and is less constipating, I will try to manage without them, but I know me, if it really hurts I'm begging for drugs.
A couple of questions for anyone, did they shave any of the area down there? How long after surgery did the first BM come?
MrsBonkers, sorry that you will have to put off surgery until later, but caring for your child is important. Perhaps we can advise you in some way on dealing with the difficulties until then. I have had my rectocele and cystocele for over 6 years now. I found ways to manage, but now I am definitely tired of it.
That's all for now, take care all.
Hello all hope you are ok this morning?
Can I start with a post op question please. It's a bit TMI i'm afraid.. My blood loss I have at them moment smells a bit funny but i'm not sure if it is meant to smell a bit or if i have an infection. Could anyone post op help me with this please?
Also I have been told I will need 6 - 8 weeks off work but the hospital only sighed me off for 2. Does anyone know if I have to see the doctor to get more sick notes or if can ring the surgery and not have an appointment. It all seems a bit of a waste of time when the consulltant tells me I need x amount off but then only signs me off for 2 weeks. I will ring and ask but just wondered what other peoples experience are. Also it seems i'm not going to get a follow up with the consultant according to the paper work??
MrsBonkers, 10 month olds are hard work and I understand why you would want to wait until they are a bit older. You can always change your mind at any time as well.
Footle so good to hear you are ok and home. Isn't it lovely to be in your own bed, with your own toilet etc..
am leaning on my side so no capital letters etc today. rect, they don't shave in my hospital, don't think it's done any more. they count recovery days from the day after surgery as day 1. my first bm was on day 3 , and they said they would have started worrying if it had been any later. i also had lots of fibre and fluids beforehand, i'm sure it has helped.as for my long stay , i really don't know. i could have left on day 4 but wasn't feeling great and was glad to stay another day, felt safer.
meg, when i asked about how to spot infection, they said to be aware of a different smell as it's a sign.for that and for the question about sick notes, i think you should phone the ward. they'll probably tell you to phone the gp but do it anyway.
mrs b , good decision - just too much at this stage of your baby's life.
and yes, it's lovely to be home exclamation mark
LOts of questions to answer........
Footle - SO lovely to hear from you and that you home and healing. Glad you didn't find it too bad! I had a dizzy day yesterday and felt very light headed. Not sure why. Perhaps I was tired, but feel better again today!
Rect - My first BM was about 30 hours post-op. I have what I call is an 'excitable bowel!!' - It doesnt take much to make it go! I spent most of the pre-op morning going and going and going - my reaction to stress so I guess there wasn't much in my body by the time I had my op! The first one WAS unpleasant...Very very hard (even though tI had drank 2 litres of water in hospital!) and i had to go up and down stairs a few times before I could bring myself to do it but (TMI) it was right there and I just had to go!!!
The next day I had lactulose which made my stomach gurgle ALL day which wasnt great (but not that bad) and I went A LOT! about 5 times! So now I am off the lactulose and will keep my eye on what my body does by itself. If I dont go for a day (im very regular!!!) I will take some more but it seems to give me lots of wind and be very loose (Sorry TMI AGAIN!!!) and its awful when you are sat there wondering if you have to 'trump' or if you are going to have an accident! - You cant go up stairs to the loo every time you think you have wind!!!!
Meg - hey sweets, sorry to hear you're worried. At the mo I have very little bleeding and it is a creamy pink colour. There isn't really a smell at all. And I only notice a small amount of watery blood when I strain. I dont need to change pads or anything - it's nothing like that. I can only suggest a trip to the GP because the worry will make you ill!
I was also told by surgeon that I wouldn't have a follow up :-( SO I have decided that I will visit my GP at 6 weeks. There is a lovely female GP who I saw with this originally (amd later piles) so she is knowledgable of my lady bits! SO I will go and see her for her to have a look (you nver know she may appreciate seeing the before and after!!! LOL)
Go and see the GP Meg. The surgeon told me if I had an infection I would feel ILL. But if you can get there I would go
Right ladies - I need to have a shower, I have girly friends coming over for lunch (my lovey hubbie is going out to buy us some baguettes!)
hi jewel, hope it was a lovely lunch and you could forget all about the seamy side of life..
re post op check ups, we don't get them here either. it's reckoned to be a waste of money and time, on the grounds that if you a problem you'll go to your doctor, and if you don't, why bother with a check up question mark. it makes sense to me. except that the consultant doesn't get to see happy post op patients, which is a shame , and i think it would be good for them to have feedback.
Rect, ( ooh look, capitals, I'm kind of slouching up in bed ) I can't remember where you live, is it BC ? I like to think of you in your greenhouse with your well-ladle .. What can you see from there ? Is it a nice view ?
Meg, re the smell I have been told that is a sign of infection so suggest you get to gp just in case.
re sick notes, I was signed off for 6 weeks, then rang gp who gave me another 2 weeks over the phone!! So suggest you ring surgery at 1.5 weeks, as you only have a 2 week sick note, and say you want to ask to be signed off because xxxx (whatever is the most compelling reason that they are unlikely to argue with) and ask if you need to come in for an appt for that. If you explain you are not able to drive at the moment then they are likely to say you dont need to come in, cos I doubt they would want to come out to you!!
Mrs Bonkers I waited to DD was 5, for just that reason, I couldn't have not lifted the kids if they were younger, but at 5 and 8 they are no bother.
Missing, it seems a while since you gave us an update on how you are (unless I've missed noticing it ). Are you feeling back to better than normal and glad you had it done ?
Anyone any idea on how long the stitches take to disolve?!
Yours itching too ? From the instructions I have , it looks as if the internal stitches may take up to 6 weeks to dissolve and "The occasional stitch that has done its work and dissolved may 'fall out' into the toilet or your underwear ; don't be alarmed " which is quite sweet isn't it ? Of course we know that from other people reporting sightings of spiders in the loo..
Gosh Footle. You have been given so much info compared to me!
Ok. We fixed your rectocele. It wasn't small it wasn't big. We don't need to see you again. Any problems go to your gp.
That was it! Nothing else at all. Oh sorry, don't lift anything!
Rect - when are in you in and exactly what for? Sorry for not remembering completely!
Hello, I've found the new site at last! Not technical at all so this is a miracle!
I've got my appt for the gyny dept on 1st July, that's been a long wait. I am on a night shift the night before so I have said I will have to leave early and they are making a right fuss about it! No way am I working until 7am and going to the hospital at 9am. Anyway fingers crossed that the new gyny lady is the right one and has a solution?!!
Thanks for sorting out the new thread! X
Footle, I live in rural Alberta, not as nice and warm as BC, but pretty good. I have a greenhouse in the middle of our yard on 10 acres. There is a beautiful cove of tall waving grass and trees on either side and a pond a few yards from there. The two vegetable gardens are situated on either side of the greenhouse. I love it out there! My husband built it for me last year, he's so nice! We actually built the our house together and we landscaped the yard to what it is now. It is a dream place really, just could have less mosquitoes and it would be perfect.
So i am going in on Thursday for a TVT and rectocele repair. I am frustrated right now because i got my period yesterday. With my period i get constipated and nothing seems to help it move. I usually just deal with it. I am worried that if I don't go before Thursday morning, I fear having a horrible BM post op. I decided to take some sennacot, I took some yesterday and took maximum dosage so far today 8 tablets and nothing will move. I am out in the garden planting and staying active, but my bowels are stubborn. I hope they move tomorrow. My period sure didn't help coming at this time, it is early, I wasn't expecting it until the 22nd at the earliest.
I haven't got long to wait now, getting anxious to get it over with and on the road to recovery.
Glad you are all still doing well
Oh Em, nice jewellery. I especially love the silver rings. I wear silver all the time and actually have about 8 various types of silver rings. I wish I could wear them all the time, but I only have so many fingers. Keep up the good work. Make lots of new creations while you're recovering,
Keep up the healing work also.
jackie, the time wil fly by I expect. I hope your lady gynae can help you, i'm sure she can!
Rect, your garden sounds amazing! What are you growing at the moment? I have a small veg patch which has potatos,strawerries,tomatoes and cucumbers in at the moment. Im not very green fingered so grow things that you can plant then leave, except for water.
jewel, I got nothing on discharge. Everything I know about this, I have read on here. They came to see me and said any questions and all I could think of was can I bath which they said I could.
Morning ladies. Rect - 10 acres!!! omg how fantastic
Stitches, the two on my tummy for the TVT disappeared after 2 weeks. The posterier repair ones on the outside waited about 6 weeks, and on the 6 week check the doc said I still had some up the wazoo so the internal ones can take AGES...every one is different. You won't really notice them dropping out unless they happen to be on the loo paper or I had one land on the toilet seat and made me think it was a spider!! When I had my period I noticed more bits of stitch coming out so maybe that helps flush out bits of stitch that are lurking inside.
Footle, you are right I haven't put updates on here cos I have been fed up and didn't want to be negative while the ladies are getting ready for surgeries etc. I noticed that a lot of people having it all done before me were fine by 3 weeks. I am nearly 8 weeks and get pains whenever I do stuff, so I am currently full of fearful "OMG it's all gone horribly wrong!!!" thoughts, which I am trying to keep at bay. Being off work for 8 weeks probably isn't helping, I am an accountant and normally spend my days with my head full of spreadsheets and numbers, having my brain free floating for 8 weeks is probably part of what's getting me down. I had my whole pelvic floor put back together, I think this is why I get pains, and the doc at the 6 week check was very pleased with it all, and said it will probably be another 6 weeks before I feel ok. I don't want others to think that their recovery will take this long, it really shouldn't. I was supposed to be in theatre 1 hour, in the end it was 2.5 hours, cos of the extra damage they found inside. The TVT is still not comfy, well just down one side. I overdid it sunday am then had pains from sunday noon till tuesday, now I am scared to do anything. Also I am absolutely knackered. I don't sleep properly anyway, and I wake up a lot worried I am sleeping on the wrong position (no idea what the right position is tho) cos the TVT scares the pants off me, and I don't want to damage it, or stop it settling in.
I wonder if some of this is cos of fibromyalgia but I did ask about that pre surgery and he didnt think that would impact anything, just maybe leave me feeling very tired for longer than someone that doesn't have it.
Sorry this is so long, whinge whinge, moan moan. I think I am just fed up, lack of exercise, not able to get anything done round the house, and scared of going back to work next week. Plus my job has been offshored so I have to find a new job within the company, or I will be out on my ear. boo hiss. This is why I haven't posted, I don't want to bring anyone down...
My consultant gave me a web page - hang on while I find it
If I'd had any idea other people didn't have this, I'd have pointed you to it weeks ago - sorry !
pelvic floor ops
i mean, go to the first one, then follow the next ones to download the leaflet. He said some of the recovery times are a bit optimistic for some people ( for instance, he told me no sex for 8 to 12 weeks because of the particular procedure he did ) but it's a great leaflet. I might try and post a direct link if this doesn't work for people. What the hell is the point of these things if the doctors don't tell you where to look for the info ?
I have other leaflets too, such as the one I quoted above - the hospital gave me that as I left.
Hope this will help someone. I'm sure it will, in fact.
Al I seem to be able to find is the Roman Catholic Users Group!!! WIll they help me?!?!?! LOL
P.S. - I can't poo!
That is all
Do a search for "recovering well pelvic floor" and you should find it. It's worth a read.
RC Users of what , I wonder ?
Going by the heavenly help I had in hospital, I'd say your best bet for poo assistance is to ask someone to buy you some glycerine suppositories from the chemist , and insert one yourself even if it feels as if nothing can fit in there. You moisten the end of the suppository first. Then hang on for 20 mins if you can, and it will have softened it so it should come - I was told not to strain.
Footle - that's a great leaflet - really informative!
Rect , your place sounds wonderful. You must have great energy to have built it all up and to keep it all flourishing. Do you still have children at home ? We'll be thinking of you tomorrow and waiting to hear. Surely all that Sennokot must work before you go , it's a big dose. As well as Movicol ( think it's what you call GoLightly ?) I use milled/ground flaxseed which I sprinkle on yogurt and fruit or soup or veg , twice a day. It helps a lot and doesn't affect my blood sugar.
Missing, sorry you're having a grim time with work worries as well as the effects of such a big op. Is there any accountancy-type work you can be starting on before you officially go back ? You might feel more normal if you can focus on it for a bit each day. I'm pleased I took those homoeopathic remedies - I'm pretty convinced that the Arnica helped me , though I don't know how I'd have been without it. Fibromyalgia would make anything worse according to my friend who had it.
Do you ever have reflexology or other massage ? This would be a great moment to get someone round to give you a gentle treatment, preferably in the evening - it will be soothing and help you sleep. I'm going to do that next week , it always makes me feel better.
Is the TVT tape more comfortable than it was at first ? If so, that must be a good sign. And the doctor being pleased must be another good sign. You're allowed to whinge and it may help you and the rest of us - we're all recovering at our own pace .
Jackie, are you a nurse ? If so it's really bad that they're giving you a hard time about looking after your own health. Hope you get sorted.
Missing, I feel so bad for you. Do post how you are doing and feeling. It might help you to be able to express your frustration, it is nice of you to consider the feelings of us whose surgeries are coming up, but I want to hear the good and bad, really
Meg, you sound like you have a nice variety of stuff growing. About my home and garden, rural Alberta is vast, not really many people here compared with other parts of the world and other provinces in Canada. I love to grow the typical veggies, tomatoes, corn, beets, onions, peas, beans, potatoes, etc. We have raspberries and strawberries every year and a variety of fresh herbs. Summer here is short and this is our winter stock up of food. A lot of the rural people have gardens. Mine is quite average I would think. I do a lot of home canning and have a cold storage for some veggies. I do have kids still at home a 12 year old daughter, my 16 year old son lives with my ex-husband his dad and my 18 year old daughter just graduated and is moving out in June. My other 3 live on their own.
Update on the BMs, well the sennacot finally worked. I know what you mean with the movicol. I had to use that for a colonoscopy prep. You are drink two doses of the stuff. The first time I took it, it took 10 hours to work, which is so unusual as for most people they are going after 20 mins. That is how I discovered that I had a big problem down there. All the stool was there at the rectal area, just couldn't get out. That is when I started using a manual as you call it splinting method to get the stools out. My bowels work better than they used to, but I really want them to work from now on, so I don't injure any of the repair in the long term. Well I should let someone else have a turn here, so for being so long.
Hi all, glad to hear you are all doing ok
I am fine, 3 weeks post op for me yesterday, not too much pain anymore and everything seems ok tho I do smell a bit 'off' so going GP in the morning.
I have only gone and booked a weeks hols in gran canaria, all inclusive so wont be doing anything hopefully except soaking up the sun, my daughters are coming too, hope I will be well enough by then to travel (7 weeks).. What do you all think (tho its too late anyway cos its booked now lol).
Anyway good to have something to look forward to, it has made me want to be 'good' more so that I am fit enough, even tho I am a bit scared re finances and will have to step up my job search so I get something for july/august, post op check is 11th july.
Quick question for those who have had infections, are there other symptoms beside a bad smell as I do feel ok in myself..
Hope you are all well and recovering nicely xx
Hi flowers. I will be interested to hear about how you get on as I have a bit of a smell as well but i'm not sure if it's normal. I am 9 days post op anterior repair and still bleeding although not heavy. I don't have a temperature or feel unwell. I do have a sore tummy on and off and a heavy feeling but I assume thats post op bruising/discomfort.
The holiday sounds fab, what a good idea.
For those of you with off scent to put it mildly, I would think that it is caused by infection. If you let it go, then you might have other symptoms such as fever and more discomfort. I would get it looked at right away.
Well ladies this will be my last post until I get home. I am going in tomorrow morning. I don't pay for internet access on my cell phone, so I will have to wait till I get home before I let you know how it went. Thanks for all your support and I will talk to you soon.
Everyone take care,
Good luck Rect, thinking of you xx
Footle, yes I am doing some bits that are like my "normal" work, doing a friends accounts and spending a lot of time sending DH's CV out left right and centre (he gets out the army this summer after 22 years (erk!!)
I like hte idea of reflexology, I hadn't thought of that.. anything to reduce anxiety (I am a bit of a nut that way) is a great idea, I don't know why I didn't think of it (dur)
Yes the TVT is much more comfortable now than it was. It was achy all over, now its just down one side, and much less often so yes, it's improving it's just so bloody slow!
We have booked a cruise in August, we don't normally go on holiday at all, far too stingy, but this is to celebrate DH getting out of the Army - I am really looking forward to 2 weeks of lazing around. I think having a holiday to look forward to is a great idea for all recovering ladies ;)
Thinking of you Rect. You can do it!
See you on the other side
x x x x
Good luck Rect, will be thinking of you xxx
Good luck Rect! May the force be with you! (all our best wishes that is).. may all go to plan - and do accept all drugs offered!
Meg it went 'ok' at the docs (eezaman tho) , he said an infection unlikely after first 3 days, to which I replied that I had being going on womens forum and they report infections sometimes after weeks - so he sniggered a bit and then said its ok, he understands and then repeated that infection unlikely after 3 days..
I do have to go back 2moro and see the nurse for a swab just to check tho so all is good AND he agreed I can have longer on the sicknote when it runs out, even tho I havent got a job it will help my ESA keep paying out till after my post op check so thats a relief
Right gotta get on with jobhunting (sat on a cushion lol)
Love and light ladies! xx
Nope. Round here they don't do them : the reasoning is that if you have problems you'll go to the GP and if you don't, the check up is a waste of everyone's time - and of course time is money. When I asked the consultant what the success rate is, he said "we don't do post op check ups so I don't really know, but I don't get many women coming back with problems". Hmph.
I have already decided to go and see my lovely lady GP at 6 weeks to get her to check!!!
How are you all doing?
I Made a little jewellery yesterday, had a short walk and was fine, although I did put my PJs back on at 5.30pm and have a lie on the sofa!
Feel a lot more normal the last day or two which I am happy with only 7 days post op. Still taking it very easy as I am aware that there is a tightness down there and a light 'ache' almost like I can feel that I am swollen inside.
Still havent sorted my bowels (but TBH they have always been unpredictable) I am taking lactulose (15ml) once a day which causes a lot of wind and gurgling but I think it is helping me go!
So all in all I am happy! - TBH I forget that I have a vag(sorry I wish there was a better word) full of stitches!!!
Hope you are all doing ok and taking it easy and recovering. If you havent read the leaflet that Footle linked to on the previous page, you should. It is reallu useful. It shows what you can try and do at what stage like pelvic floor excercises, walking, driving etc. Obvioulsy we are all different but things like getting up, washed and dressed every morning from day 2 or 3 so that you can feel good about yourself really is true!
Love to all
Glad you found it useful, Jewel . As you say, it gives you some sort of framework for trying to move the recovery on.
Having said that, I'm feeling totally knackered today and I'm going to go back to bed for a while.
Meg, Footle, Are you still bleeding after BMs?
Hi Ladies I'm back. Things went better than expected. I tell you a spinal block is the answer for this kind of surgery. I was awake for half of the procedure that I remember. It was really neat being aware of what was happening. When I got back to my room, I felt great!!! The spinal block pain relief lasts for about 24 hours, slowly wears off, so I went for half hour walk 6 hours after my surgery. I ended up having the posterior repair, the TVT and an anterior repair as well. So should be all fixed up. He said that there was unexpected damage off to one side of the posterior end, that took some extra stitching. I have been up and around quite a bit, but do tire easily, if I walk too much, then it is difficult to wee, from swelling that builds up I think? So I must remember to take it easy. I have not had a BM yet, very worried about that, I have taken all the stool softeners etc, but nothing yet. Doc gave me some suppositories to try if I don't go in a day or too. I had 4 doses of antibiotics in IV and was sent home with script for one weeks worth. Doc is very concerned about infection developing and he also said no bathing and no driving for 2-3 weeks. I am to see him for check up in two weeks. I also have low hemoglobin which is bad as i must take iron now which is constipating. Blood pressure is low 80/50 so I have to be careful ot to pass out somewhere. I feel remarkably well, but hubby is insisting I really take it easy. Doc told me not such long walks, only 5-10minute3s at a time and then sit down. Hospital was awesome, nurses were incredible. Two of the nurses were girls that my daughter went to school with and they are 4th year students, I knew them since they were toddlers adn there they were taking care of me.
Hope you are all still doing well and thank you so much for all the support. I will post again later,
Bye for now.
Yey!!!! So pleased it has all gone well. What a relief! Take it easy lady! Do not do much. It is so easy to feel well and then go and bugger it all up!
Will post more tomorrow as it is 1.15am here but just had to say a quick whoop whoop!
Rest rest rest
X x x x
Thanks Jewel I will heed your advice regarding rest. Tonight my bowels were uncomfortable, so I took a suppository to get them moving and with great success, I had my first BM, Yipeeee!!! It was very loose and I would like to keep it that way.
I sure am tired though, my husband was playing cards with me in the hosp. and in the middle of playing, I was fast asleep. It is like I developed Narcolepsy from this. Lol..... I can't sit and concentrate on anything for more than 10 mins. and I am out like a light. I was taking percocet and ibruprofen in hosp. for pain and now at home ibruprofen and tramadol. Feeling rather comfortable really, not pain free, but good.
Hubby is taking excellent care of me, making awesome meals and helping me get around up and down the stairs, which are exhausting to climb BTW. I feel like a new woman already just knowing the bowel comes straight down now. I looked at the area to see how it is and there is some swelling and bruising on the perineum. I have two inscisions on each side of my groin from the TVT and the vagina is swollen, but no bulging top or bottom. I cuold just cry with relief about this, so far so good and so glad I did it!! celebrate! Well I have dozed off twice now writing this, so I must sign off. Talk again later. Meg, Footle and Jewel, how are you all getting along now, just a week post-op? Thanks for listening everyone!
Hoorya Rect,so glad you are out the other side and all looking good. Don't underestimate the fatigue and take it EASY, then you will get better quicker.
Re the TVT I have one stitch almost central and the right hand one is far right, so maybe I wasn't quite straight when they did it, sounds like yours are nice and symetrical. I have aches on the right side only so I think perhaps mine is too right side placed, if that makes sense.
I know now that things are getting better every day, it's just a slow old process, and at 7 weeks it seemed like I had plataued (sp?) and nothing was changing.
Back to work tomorrow, can't imagine it. I am lucky I have a sit on my arse kind of job, instead of teacher, nurse etc, erk that would be real work!
Love and light ladies, take it easy, you're still early days xx
Rect, how good to see you back ! Have been thinking about you lots.
Jewel, not usually bleeding with BMs, just a couple of times, and making damn sure I have a BM each day. Oh, back later xxx
Welcome home Rect! So glad it went well Now take it easy!
jewel, I am still bleeding since the op so it's hard to tell if going to the toilet is agrivating it. I usually use tampons so i'm unfamiliar with the amount of blood coming out. I am due my period (I may well have it now ) but it's hard to tell as I have had bleeding since the op. I am seeing the GP on wednesday so it will be quite reassuring to talk to her. I have had drops of blood in the toilet sometimes which I assume are coming from the wound ? It's so confusing
Meg, I'm also confused because my periods finished 7 years ago so I'm not used to 'losing' anything , but I have a slightly bloody and quite smelly discharge which gets heavier the more I move around. I phoned the hospital ward because they'd said ring if any questions, and said I wasn't worried but I would like to know what the discharge is. The nurse said briskly "it's just what your body is getting rid of after the op " - hm, thanks.
My worst problem at the mo is a new sharp pain that seems to be near the entrance of my vagina, almost in one of the labia, making it much less comfortable to sit or to change position than it was for the first week. I can't see anything there apart from swelling, and I hope it's just part of the healing and will get better soon. Rect I totally agree with you about the relief of knowing the bowel goes straight down and not all round the houses...
Missing, you do sound as if you're feeling better - hope work is more fun than you're expecting,and you can rest when you get home. We just had a weekend of family, including 4 week old baby with a very loud and piercing cry which he uses most of the time when he's not on the breast. I'm horizontal and completely knackered now !
Oh Missing, back to work, I feel for you, maybe because I don't know how I will feel in 7 weeks. When did it stop hurting when you sit? I can't imagine sitting at a desk right now. I try sitting and I am straining my back sitting in awkward positions off to the side and all crooked. I think lying down is best right now. Good luck at work tomorrow. Take it easy still when you are there and at home, I think healing goes on a lot longer than we think.
Footle, are you able to keep BMs regular and how? I sure want to.
I am taking it easy still even when I feel like I could run a marathon which does happen for about 5 mins. each day, it dwindles quickly though.
I lasted all night without pain relief, but paying for it today. The doctor said to take the pain relief every 4-6 hours no matter what for the first week as it will help me feel like walking and getting around. I got up in the night to go wee and should have taken them then, but thought I would be good. I have to play catch up on pain relief now. I decided to put an ice pack in the area and that has brought me a lot of relief to the ache. I have learned my lesson now about how my body fools me into thinking I am good when I'm not.
Another interesting thing to report is how full my bladder can get now. I can wee for a long time and am very surprised how much it holds now. I guess it always held that much, just didn't empty before. I don't know if the leaking issue is resolved and likely won't know that until i am jumping around, so I'll give it a month or so.
Take care ladies.
footle, I have sudden sharp pains at the entrance that make me say 'ouch' out loud. I also have a heavy pain around the labia/clitoris area, particularly when I sit on the toilet. I think it is bruised internally. I know that not all of you have had the anterior repair but i find my flow quite slow and I am still going to the toilet quite a lot and getting up around two times a night as well. I really hope that will improve as that was one of my complaints before the op, frequent urination.
Hello ladies, hope you are all feeling ok.
Footle - I can't comment on the bleeding as I don't think I had that much, but was warned by other earlier op ladies that there can be a discharge that is all the grot after the op (bits of skin and so on) making it's way out. Perhaps that is what you have?
Re the pain oh yes, the stabbing pain, its part of the healing I think. Rect I couldn't sit properly for a while (maybe 2 weeks?), either lying down or reclining is really the only way to go. It's having all the ops at once, if you just had the TVT you could sit one way, and if you just had the posterier repair, you could sit another way, and with the anterior repair as well, that must add a new set of discomforts to work around. For me its the nights that are the most tricky as I cannot get comfy whatever I do, but I am a rubbish sleeper anyway.
The constant pain fades down to occasional pain, which is where I am now, ie I overdo it then I get the odd stabbing pain, either TVT line or down below, which makes me realise I need to sit down for 15 minutes and calm it down.
I don't envy you the weekend with a newborn in the house, Footle, make sure you rest, you must be exhausted.
Meg, don't worry until the swelling has gone down, that was what I was told. Did you have TVT as well, sorry I cannot remember.
For all of you, if you have the courage, grab your mirror cos the bruising is SPECTACULAR.
Now all of you go to bed early and get your rest xx
I'm reassured to hear that some of you have had these stabbing pains. I've had a lot of trouble with nerve damage after a foot operation and this feels similar, take-your-breathe-away sudden pain , and I'm scared that it could be here to stay - but that's silly, it's early days yet, and it sounds as if yours is receding, Missing. I suppose they use a speculum-type thing to hold the labia open for the op and maybe this is the recovery from that ?
Anyone been brave enough to look at the youTube clip of the surgery ?
that's exactly the type of pain that I had, its a take your breath away ouch
there is no way I am looking at the you tube clip, I dont think I would ever recover!!
Rect, I'm doing what I did before to make sure I have a BM every day. I take Movicol night and morning - it's amazing what you can get used to if you know it's doing you good - and I sprinkle milled flaxseed /linseed on my food twice a day, usually on yogurt with blueberries which is a good low-carb treat (I'm type2 diabetic and control it with a lowish carb diet ). I eat a lot of salads and veg every day, eg just now I had fish with a big helping of shredded cabbage stir fried with mushrooms and onion. I drink a lot of water and herb tea, as well as a couple of cups of good coffee a day. Fruit would work , oranges, prunes etc, but I have to watch the sugars in them.
Hopefully without rectoceles we'll be in better working order, but I'm taking no chances.
Sounds like you ladies are getting along pretty good with the exception of having some stabbing pains. I still ache and lay around, so I don't have that developing yet. I walk around for 10 minute walks and then lie down again. My legs ache like crazy especially in the groin area.
I watched the youtube video of the rectocele repair and also found the one on the monarch sling procedure and anterior repair. I watched them all before I went in.
When I was awake during surgery, I could feel the doctor doing things down there and my lower body was being moved and shaken when he was putting the packing in. Part of me wanted to watch the op, but there was a curtain between me and the dr. up above my stomach. It was really interestng to be awake and relaxed through it all. The coolest part was when I couldn't feel my lower body, but could still move my legs and all that. When they took the packing and catheter out it didn't hurt much as I think I still had residual effects of the spinal block left. If anyone out there is going in for future reference, ask about a spinal block, it is amazing. If you choose, you can be completely sedated and won't remember a thing just like being under general. You feel so great after surgery, no pain, wide awake and no nausea or other side affects you might get from gemeral. Also, I didn't even feel the needle going into my back at all. My room mate in hospital was scared to have the spinal and ended up in so much pain when she woke up and was vomitting for two days. I felt so bad for her. She had a hysterectomy.
Well just wanted to share that with you all as it was such a pleasant experience for me and I would wish that for everyone.
I think its definitely worth considering. I have been told the reason that I feel so rough (tired and so on) is cos the surgery was 2.5 hours, and that long under a general will whack your system for a long time. A spinal wasn't something anyone mentioned as an option but it might be something they consider if you ask for it.
The spinal is an option for anyone having surgery below the umbilibcus. In fact, they use the spinal more often than general when doing replacement surgeries, like hip, knee, etc. It is less dangerous and especially better for the elderly. I was given a choice, as the anethesatist (sp) told me i was healthy enough to have either, but encouraged to have the spinal for pain control reasons.
My name is Keisha and i am 30 ... 2 days after i turn 31 i am scheduled to have an A/P Repair.... The Dr. told me that i would be off of work for a minimum of 6 weeks and will be staying in the hospital for 2 - 3 days after surgery.... but that is about it as for the info that i have..... so my question is when all is said and done will the bulge in my Vagina be gone?
for the lady's that have been post....... Does Sex feel the same or better .... I have lost some of the feeling in my vagina over the last 18 months....
Hi Keisha , if you google "recovering well pelvic floor" you'll find a booklet that my consultant suggested I read - there's lots of info there. I'm not sure about A/P - does it mean Anterior and Posterior repair ? If so, I think the answer is that yes, the bulge/s should be gone, and if you don't overdo things as you recover from the op, it should stay that way. My op (posterior repair ) was 12 days ago so I can't tell you how sex will feel, but I can tell you that cuddling with my OH feels as good as ever , so it's looking good . But I didn't have any serious loss of feeling before.
The trouble with a forum like this is that not many people come back say a few months or a year later, to report on how they're feeling long-term.
Hope this helps. When is your op ?
Sorry haven't posted for a little while - I gave PMT and am grumpy!!!
Welcome to the forum Keisha.
The plan for all the ops is to get rid of any bulges, so as long as you take care after, no lifting etc afterwards
All in all I think the ladies (including me), who have had the op recently are surprised at how well we feel afterwards. We have all been up and about the day after (although very tentatively) and find that we can potter for 5 minutes or so for the first few days and then have to return to the sofa!!
I am now 11 days post op and am almost back to normal!
When I say normal, I am still spending a lot of time sat down but I have cooked dinner a couple of times and taken short walks to friends houses, done some tidying up etc. But I have not and will not lift anything or hoover for another few weeks as it is easy to think you feel well and then you could go and pop your stitches!!!
Everyones experience is different and I 'only' had a posterior repair.
My op was to cut through the skin in the wall between my vagina and bowel (going in through the vagina) and then stitching it tight, to put back the tightness that had gone due to the bulge. So now I have a row of stitches in my vagina from just inside, all the way up to my cervix, about 6 inches I guess. I'm sorry, we are very good at giving to much information (TMI) on here and saying it like it is! I hope you aren't easily offended!!
I was in for 24 hours. A one hour op. Within 10 minutes of waking up I was on the phone and facebook telling everyone how I was!!
The first day I felt great (I was lying in a hospital bed doing nothing!)
he second day I had to walk to the car and an hour car journey home.
I then spent the next 24 hours off my feet as I ached a lot (like period pain) and took paracetamol and ibruprofen and used a hot bag on the small of my back and on my tummy.
Day three I was quite tired but had visitors so was up and a bout a bit more.
Day 5 I had a dizzy day where my head didn't seem to be following the rest of my bosy but I was also ovulating so it could be due to that.
From then to now I have slowly built up how much I do and plan to walk my children home tomorrow after school (about half a mile) to see how that goes.
I stopped taking pain meds after about day 6 and now I occasionally get a twinge or an ache, depending on how much I do.
In my head I thought I would be lying in bed for a week drifting in and out of sleep and not be able to walk around for 2 or 3 weeks but I haven't found it like that at all!!!
I also can't feel that I have stitches inside, just a dull ache sometimes
Lastly and probably on most of us post op ladies is bowel movements, fondly referred to as BMs - They will become the focus of your thoughts post-op!
You have to do everything that you can to keep yourself regular and soft (sorry TMI again!!) My second night I had so much trouble going - I knew it was there but you are terrified of going as it has to push past the other side of the wall where the stitches are. And because of lack of food during the op and lack of movement it can become very shall we say, hard!!!
I am taking lactulose every day, 3 tsps in the morning. The only problem with this is that is makes you VERY windy and makes your stomach gurgle something chronic!!! I forgot this morning and took it only 3 hours ago, after dinner and boy have I got a tummy ache now! I know I have to keep taking it otherwise I will have BIG problems with not going!!!
Lastly, returning to work. I work at home, on my bum, making jewellery and have actually already made some post op jewellery but it was only for short periods of time. Depending on your job I would think you would need 3-4 weeks off, but again, everyone is different! It depends on what you are doing and how physical it is - you certainly wouldn't want to be nursing for example for 6 weeks. I would also suggest returning part-time to ease yourself in!
OK - I have written WAY too much so I will wrap it up (Hello by the way, I'm Emily, the talkative member of the group and I am 33 and live in the south of England!!!)
SORRY FOR THE HUGE POST!!!!
Emily, sounds like you're recovering faster than me but not that much, and I'm 30 years older than you so not disappointed in my progress. I had a strange drifty sort of day today but am definitely coming back to life !
ewel forgive me for being naive, but what does PMT stand for? Sounds like you are really doing well, same with you footle. Welcome Keisha you will likely find this forum really helpful to put your mind at ease.
I am recovering very well also. I am 45 and had 6 children and ended up having a cystocele and rectocele repair as well as a TVT. I am 4 days post op. I seem to be getting along fine without too much pain meds. I also walk pretty well, but do get tired easily. I am already forgetting abou tlifting things as I tried to carry a chair across the kitchen and my daughter quickly took it from me and then I recalled how I am not supposed to do those things just yet. My biggest problem right now is low blood pressure causing some dizziness and my bowels. I had a bowel movement 2 days post -op and it was very loose nad not very much in amount, so I was expecting to have more the next day. So far, nothing will help. I am taking so much fiber inj everything I eat plus a fiber supplement. I am also drinking water all day long. I take a stool softener 3X/day and a senna type laxitive to get the bowels moving, but I am not sure what will make it go. I have used glycerine suppositories 4 times and nothing. I thiink at this piont dynamite might be the only option. The dr. gave me a couple suppositories that are made to make you go. I am scared of them because he said they are pretty hard on yoru system. He also said if I dont have a bowel movement within 4 days I might need to go to the Emergency and see a dr. Oh help! and !!! Bye for now and talk to you all soon.
PMT = Uk version of PMS! Pre-Mentrual Syndrome! (i.e. - I'm a grumpy, teary, lazy lump!!!!)
Rect - use the suppositries - better that than having a nurse manually remove it! (my friend is a midwife and had to do that once on a new mum who hadnt been for over a week - she had to glove up and remove it bit by bit!!!!!)
jewel, sorry you have PMT. That never helps a woman feel better especially when you need to recover.
Well I am in luck, just when starting to write this post, things started to happen down there. I guess your last post scared me into a BM. Anyway, it happened and this time there was enough to make me satisfied with it actually being a real BM. And get this, it was somewhat formed, but not painful and it came out just like it was supposed to. I can't believe it! This is so awesome finally normal bathroom etiquette and celebrate for sure this time. I will continue to do as I am doing and hopefully all will go well. Hope all goes well for you ladies, especially in the bowel department. I don't know about all of you, but I always feel better when I know my body is functioning the way it's supposed to. Thanks jewel for your informative post, I think it helped!
Rect - Happy to be of service x
It is 2:30am here and I can't sleep. My bottom just aches and my inner legs and groin just throb. I must have done too much walking or sitting today. I really don't know what causes what. I wish I could bath for relief, but the dr said not for at least two weeks. I wonder what the best thing to do is? I should really be more patient than I am, after all it is only going on 5 days post-op. Maybe I am just feeling sorry for myself. I know the pain could be worse, so I should be thankful and actually I am thankful for being fixed, I just need to gain more patience.
Thanks for listening, it is nice to be able to express myself at this hour.
Hello lovely ladies, I hope you are keeping well.
Mokeisha welcome! I hope we can help and reassure you. There is so much support on here . I am 41 and have two children 11 and 8.
I am two weeks, one day post op for an anterior repair. I am feeling fine in myself but frustrated at how l can't do stuff. I can't imagine driving any time soon and feel heavy and uncomfortable if i'm on my feet too long. Are you other ladies still bleeding? Also have any of you had a period and how did you know?
Rect, I have been bathing since I got home as I was told it was ok. It's amazing what conflicting advice there is!
Jewellry, i'm in the south as well,sussex.
I am off to the doctors tomorrow to get signed off some more and just ask some questions about my recovery to reassure me I am on track. I may even pop in to a shop if I feel up to it . How exciting!!!!
I am currently laying on my bed, legs akimbo airing my parts as I am getting sore having a pad there all the time, nice!
Rect, do you mean you've been told not to WASH ? That's mediaeval ! I was in the shower less than 24 hours after my vaginal pack was removed ,ie 48 hours after my operation - totally routine in hospital. And I've had at least one shower every day since then. The nurses just said 'don't use any soap or shower gel that's heavily perfumed'. It would have been unbearable without that. The leaflet they gave me said mysteriously that a bath is even better than a shower, but I don't like baths.
Meg, another thing that's helped has been ice packs - if I'm really sore I have used one of those frozen-food cooling packs wrapped in a small towel and help firmly between the legs, and it helps a lot. There are also those frozen sanitary towel things , brand name Feme , but they are expensive and the ice pack works fine if you're lying down.
I'm going to have coffee with my friend, OH is dropping me in town while he does the food shop. I do need painkillers for this though, and have only a short distance to walk. But what a great thing to be able to do !
Ohh Footle how exciting! Look at you with your post op social life!! Have a wonderful time
I used hot bags for pain relief - the material ones filled with corn that you can microwave for a couple of minutes to warm up - I had one for the small of my back and one for my lower abdoman. (sp?)
I'm not really bleeding now, just a very light pink creamy colour and onlu using the really light liners.
Think I am recovering a bit quicker than others but that could be because I ended up with less work?! - Still have an ache deep inside, if I hadn't had this done I would say I had strained my stomach muscles or had period pain or a bit of both!
Just going for a short walk to a friends then am going to attempt the walk to school. Sure it will be fine but reckon I'll come back and get on the sofa!!
Worked a little in the office and think sitting in an upright chair felt more comfortable - think the sofa is giving me back ache!!!
LOL - Speak later
Held between the legs even - not help. Freudian slip.
I'm back, lovely to go out and lovely to come home again. BTW being out and more mobile has made me bleed more, so if you're wondering if you're having a period, I don't have them any more but I'm still, at 2 weeks, losing a fair amount of blood. I'm hoping to spend the rest of the day in bed after all that excitement.
The friend I had coffee with is 60 and supposed to be having a cystocele/ anterior repair one of these days, but she lives alone and has to drive 30 mins each way to where she works ( self employed ) so doesn't know how she'd manage. I'd help as much as poss but I know I'd be finding this very difficult if I didn't have such a great husband.
I am 30 but have fallen apart after my 2 beautiful baby's Amanda is 3 and Emmalee is 15 months ..... I had a hysterectomy in August of 2010 and yes i have to have both the anterior and posterior repair and that is on June 13th 2 days after i turn 31 I live in Jackson Michigan in the US (i keep having to Google search for some of the things that you say so i know what you are talking about lol) does OH = Husband?
Thank you Footle i did the search and a lot of things came up so it looks like i have a bit of reading to do today
And i do not get Embarrassed easily
as for what i do at work i stand for 8 to 10 hrs a day and work on the production of steering wheels so i am lifting 8 lbs over and over and over all day long with 2 10 min breaks and 1 30 min lunch and they will not let me go back at part time it is all or nothing with them
from reading some of the post i am very blessed my husband is taking the first week off and my mom is going to come over and we have some girls from our church that have asked to help with my girls .......(God has Blessed me over and over) and the ladies of our church are making dinner for the 1st week i am off
sorry this was so long
Footle and Meg, I was told not to bath as he is concerned about bacteria getting into the vagina while laying in dirty bath water, so showers only. I like to bath because it always helps get rid of my aches and pains. I had the TVT, so I do have external stitches on the groin and also he gave me a course of antibiotics because infection is so common with this particular procedure as there is a foreign substance in the body. He is wanting the skin on the surface and in the vagina to heal and seal shut before bathing.
I have also used an ice pack on the area and it does help numb the pain, but internally the ache is there and down my legs.
Footle glad you got out for a while, take it easy now. I don't have much bleeding now, but I will see after I am more active. You're right about having the support of a good husband, mine is vacuuming right now, he has been incredible. He made dinner last night for the family chicken, mashed potatoes, broccoli, salad and even gravy. Mmmmm. This morning he made home baked bran muffins for breakfast. I am blessed! Trouble is all his niceness makes him more attractive to me and now I can hardly wait to have sex, really.
It is nice that your friend has you to help her out and you will certianly understand what she is going to go through.
Jewel, don't overdo your activity, but enjoy your walk. I am going for a walk to our greenhouse in the yard, it is about 100 yards or so and then I will water some plants and look at the garden and then walk back to the house and lie down for a bit.
MoKeisha, don't worry about long posts, I enjoy reading them, as I'm sure the other ladies do as well. We all go on a long expression every now and then, especially me. Sounds like you have a good support network in place. Keep posting your thoughts and fears and we'll help you feel better.
Bye for now
Eew at dirty bath water ! I have to say I don't stay in the bath long, only 5 minutes but have been having 2 baths a day as feel a bit dirty using the pads all the time
Hi Ladies, may I join in?
I'm 47, and went in for a small posterior repair last Thursday. I woke up with a small posterior repair a large anterior repair and some 'work' on my perineum. Unfortunately the day after surgery I had a massive bleed and ended up in theatre again! The surgeon was really surprised by this and hadn't seen it in over 20 years of doing these ops. I came home yesterday (day 5) and while I feel pretty weak and weedy I'm sure things will improve. The area I'm most anxious about is my perineum. It seems pretty sore and lumpy! I hope it won't cause intimacy problems in the future... Also I had a look with a mirror and like a former poster said, the bruising is most impressive ouch!
Hello and welcome, Teedee. What a scary experience. Not surprising that you feel weak and weedy , I feel like that too with much less reason. There's a long way to go before your bits settle and the swelling goes down. I haven't explored very much except with a mirror but at first I thought I had no external stitches. 13 days post op it's all subsided a bit . I realize that the swelling was hiding some stitches on the outside , so that must mean the perineum was really lumpy and now it's less so.
Keisha, your job sounds as if it's almost designed to mess you up. Not that anyone can pick and choose their job if they are lucky enough to have one these days. Wonderful that you have plenty of help lined up at least for the first week.
OH means Other Half , though we are married and I'll sometimes say DH meaning Dear Husband - DH are his initials too. At the bottom of this page is a link to Acronyms which should show you what most of these initials stand for.
Rect I'm so glad to hear you can shower . The bowel thing ... you know you said that Jewel's story sent you running to the loo ? There's a family member we have a lot of problems with, though we love him very much , and I've often found that a call from him works faster on my bowels than any laxative ! Maybe you need to give yourself a good fright once a day ?
I liked you saying how attracted you feel to your husband because of all the work he's doing - have you seen the little book about that , where the man becomes irresistible to women simply by taking out the rubbish / garbage etc ? It's very funny and true.
I'm not apologizing for long posts , you can always skip them !
Wow I have missed a lot of posts! I am four weeks post op today and for the new ladies and those who missed it I had posterior / anterior repair and hysterectomy. For those who are recent post op / still to get done, I wanted you to know I feel sooo much better now! Didn't think I would ever feel better again at one stage but it just keeps improving a little day by day. I rarely get pain now, everything works ok and I can even have a BM without my hair going grey. Progress!
I still havent walked far, just to the shops or post box... but I worked 10 hours straight today fixing up my friends website (just sit on a cushion for stuff like this). Havent got my swab results yet but it seems a little better, getting swabbed wasnt nice tho and it did hurt!
For ladies who are further along than me, this is really trivial, but when does the jelly belly go down?? I have bought some new holiday gear and it just doesn't look right
For ladies with aches and pains, I have had a variety of them, in my back, my tummy, my side.. but all have gone now. Take painkillers when you need to and keep it up till it subsides.
This op sends you, your body and your emotions on a wild roller coaster ride and at times you may wonder what on earth you have done to yourself.. but it does ease and in no time at all you will feel like yourself again, just take it easy and rest rest rest
Sending everyone hugs xoxo
Ok, I think my biggest probem right now is PMT/PMS!! I could cry SO easily - you know when you get this ache at the back of your eyes like the tears are building up and it only takes one stubbed toe to make your hollar lke a baby!!
I am so blinkin fed up of not being able to do stuff! I think spendind time on the sofa is giving me back ache, but when I try and get on with normal stuff I get tummy ache and twinges in my you know what!
I'm not bothered that I cant lift anything but I want to be able to rush around and tiday up and hoover. I so desperatley want to hoover!!! I feel awful to ask hubbie when he gets home to hoover but I cant stand seeing bits of the garden sitting under my cupboards!!!
All in all I know I am doing well, but its coming up to two weeks and I'm fed upo of pottering! I know, it's my hormones, I normally feel wrotten at this time of the month anyway!
I'll be fine in a few days! Thank you for letting me vent!!!
Thanks Flowers, lovely positive post !
Keisha , as you've already had a hysterectomy you might find the repair op is about the same, or maybe easier - hopefully someone else will be along to tell you how it compares.
Hello, ladies. Room for another one?
I am seeing my GP in a couple of weeks. It has taken me a long time to pluck up the courage to go and I feel quite sick thinking about it (am very squeamish about strangers delving around where the sun dont normally shine!) but I am pretty sure I have a cystocele - well I know I have as I can see it in the mirror, and probably a rectocele too, and my cervix often seems to be lurking around only just inside. The whole area feels as if its caved in. Oh the joys!
Can I ask you all what investigations did you have before being put on the list for surgery? Did you have to try physio first? I feel I am too far gone for that and have really tried with the old pelvic floor exercises but to no avail (probably a case of too little too late) and would much rather them take one look and agree it all needs fixing in one go. How long did you have to wait once it was agreed it needed doing?
Reading this thread and how well you all seem to be doing, I wish I had gone years ago tbh!
What's finally spurred me on to go is that Ive been having nightmare heavy periods which are just getting worse so I am hoping to kill two birds with one stone!
Welcome Teedee and Lemon ! Teedee, make sure you rest, rest, rest, your bloodloss would give your body quite a job now rejuvenating itself, glad you're okay. You went in same day as me, but I had no complications, I don't feel over energetic yet.
Footle that's funny about the good scare to egt my bowels going haha, but I think there is a lot of truth to that one. I have a couple of friends in the medical field who could keep me going. I am not familiar with the little book about the husband, but I would think it is pretty darn funny lol...If he keeps up the good work, it will be very difficult to resisit him for 6 weeks. I really love him very much and he is amazing though even when I'm not sickly.
Flowers so glad to hear from you and find out you're feeling well, I think after a month i will feel much the same way and for anyone out there who questions this, keep in mind, I was terrified and gave up 7 years of life quality out of fear of the unknown and now, I am so glad I did this, no regrets at all!
Jewel PMS is nasty, I go through it a lot myself, how long do your downer days usually last?
I am posting again right away for Lemon and those who haven't been to gyne consult yet.
Happy healing everyone.
Lemon regarding seeing my gyne etc. for initail consult. I live in Canada and well my gyne, he just asked what my symptoms were and then had me do the usual for pap and swab, then he did the internal and fel that i had a cystocele and rectocele. He asked me to bear down when he had his hand just inside the vagina where the cystocelel and rectocele were. Then he had me standing up while doing the same thing, this was so he could tell how much stres was on them. He asked me to sqeeze my kegel muscles to see how good they were and told me they were really strong. I told him I went to a pelvic floor rehab clinic and they told me the same thing, infact that my muscles were too strong on one side causing more damage to that area. He totally agreed with that assessment. He suggested surgery to me right away because he knew kegels wouldn't help me at this point, but gave me alternatives to try like, a pessary, which didn't work. I went back to him two years later and he reasessed and explained to me exactly how he would fix the problem. He offered me an anterior, posterior repair, an endometrial ablation for bleeding because my uterus is too high and not loose enough to take out vaginally and he didn't want to do an incision through the stomach muscles as well as a TVT to fix bladder leakage. I was extremely frightened and remember feeling sick and hot like I was going to pass out when he was explaining it to me.
He could obviously see the terror on my face and asked me to go home and think about it for a while and come back later with a decision. He is great, very patient and very enthusiastic about helping woman have better lives. He is very homest about the surgery and it's sucess rate as well as the recovery. I came back to him agreeing only to the TVT. He still wanted me to think about it and if I changed my mind, I could still be booked for the others. I ended up calling back to have posterior repair and then day of surgery just before going in, I asked him to fix the cystocele as well. I have my own reasons for passing on the ablation though. Well I think that pretty much covers my experiemce with it. I did not feel embarrassed at all. Hope fully you have a good doc and that is half the battle. Good luck!
Thank you for the welcome, and the advice. It's very therapeutic to hear everyone else's stories :-) Still feeling low today, and to top it off I have toothache so will be dragging myself to the dentist this afternoon. I cant cope with pain anywhere else! Thank goodness for my amazing OH and this board.
Hello all. This thread is moving so fast, which is wonderful. Welcome to Teedee and Lemon!
I have just got back from the doctors and I have an infection It turns out that smell I mentioned a few days ago which I though was a bit off was a lot more offensive to the doctor I must have a very forgiving nose! I know a few of you will tell me off as I should have got this seen earlier and you did tell me to go!
She examined me with a speculum (ouch) and took a swab (ouch) She is sending it off but in the mean time I have been prescribed the most evil of all antibiotics Metronidazole. She said they make you feel grotty but are the man for the job so to speak. She said i must not take them until 48 hrs have passed since my last alcoholic drink. Unfortunately I had a smal glass of red last night so I cant start taking them till tomorrow evening. Oh joy!
Hello everyone - so lovely to see new people coming in.
Just a quick reply for Lemon as I am not sure if you are UK or US based and I thought my UK experience may be different to Rect in Canada
I knew I had a rectocele for two years and just ignored it, even though it was a nightmare going to the loo and sex was loosing it's sparkle!!
What made me go to the GP was the night I had sex and bled! Proper fresh blood and lots of it - obviously it totally freaked me out and all night I wondering if I had broken the wall between my bladder or bowel and vagina and I had all these horro thoughts of stuff leaking into my vagina!
Anyway, I went to the GP next day and she examined me and couldn't really see where the bleed cames from but confirmed a rectocele, and thought the blood must have come from the 'bulge'
I was refered to an obs and gynae consultant and saw him a few weeks later. His examine involved me lying on my side while he examines me and asked me to bare down.
He immediately offered surgery (even though it wasn't a huge bulge). He didn't suggest anything else, and to be honest I was hoping for surgery ust to get it all over and odne with. All he did say was that they prefered not to put the mess into someone my age (33) on a first go as it could lea to infections and as I am young (!!!) it was best to start without it.
Unfortunately I had to wait 6 months for an op and during that time I had times when I thought I was crazy for wanting to so it but then I would have bad days with what I call 'bowel retention' where I couldn't bring myself to have sex for fear of leaking!!
I am so pleased I had it done! Obviously I cant tell for sure yet (13 days post op) that it has worked completely but so far so good!!!!
I have a 'little' knowledge of all this from reading up etc but Lemon, it sounds to me like you may need an anterior (cystocele) and posterior (rectocele) repair but also it sounds as if you may have a wom prolapse too. I wouldn't be suprised if he suggested fixing all three and if so will probably suggest a hysterectomy (sp?). Until I read up about them it sounded such a horrific thing to o but actually the womb is so small that actually its's not much to lose (I understand that some people will be upset by the idea of loosing their reproductive organs of course) and if you still want children it would be a huge decision to make but it seems to me (having enough children) that it would end so many problems. Imagine having a designer vagina, no more bleeding, going to the loo normally!!! Wow!
Good luck with the doctor. Read up what you can on the subjsect so you go informed. Let us know how you get on x x
I first went to my GP a long time ago , might be 20 years ,and told her that my BMs were getting stuck somehow, and I often had to use my hand to help it out. I was a bit hesitant about telling her but thought she's a doctor , she knows about these things. She looked horrified and said " You do what ? well I don't think you ought to be doing that ! If it won't come you should just wait till you're really ready". I left .
Cut to this year. Took myself to the GP ( a different one ! ) and told her I was getting badly constipated and could feel a bulge in the back wall of my vagina. She took a look and referred me to the consultant, saying "it's a mechanical problem and needs a mechanical solution". He examined me lying on my side , said it was a not particularly large rectocele , better to operate before it gets really big ( and before I get really old, I think he meant ). He said my pelvic floor seemed strong ( I've done the exercises for years ) and the pessary-ring-thing doesn't work very well for active women : operation is the only thing. I waited 5 months for the op - no, I could have done it earlier but wanted to keep April free for daughter's 3rd baby.
Like Jewel I kept wondering if I was doing the right thing - was it bad enough ? But then I'd have another bout of faecal impaction and I'd know I couldn't go on like that - laxatives helped but didn't always work. BTW I also tried taking Psyllium , a kind of fibre capsule , and that got really scary - it increased the bulk of the BM but it all kind of backed up and wouldn't come out.
That might be enough information ! I'm really glad I've done it. And still incredulous about that first doctor.
ps The rectocele doesn't seem to have interfered with sex for us, but it's recently dawned on me that that's because we got into the habit of usually making love in a position where it didn't get in the way. I must be a bit thick : it never occurred to me that there was a reason why that was the most comfortable position. Well the sky's the limit now..
Footle my hysterectomy was done with a robot i have 5 little 1/2 inch scars on my belly and was up and about in 3 days that was a great experience for me i was so afraid because every one i know was saying how bad it was for them but come to find out they did not have the robotic one.....
and yes my job is not very nice to me lol .... when i was pregnant with Emmalee my body had not gone back to normal after having Amanda and so i had to come off of work early because Emmalee was so low in my pelvis that they could feel her head when thy did the exam and was put on bed rest..
I hope you all have a safe and happy recovery today and don't over do it :D
Keisha, I don't know anything about robot surgery - can you explain what it means ?
How long have others gone on needing pain killers ? Today was my first day without anything - since a Tramadol and a Paracetamol last night - and I made it till 6pm but was feeling pretty grim by then. 2 weeks now. I'm also losing some fresh blood and wonder where it's coming from.
Hmm, right out of nosiness I came onto this thread hoping it would just put me off having a third!
Now reading it im wondering if I have a rectocele issue.
After my second baby (first was C-section) I noticed my bowel movements seemed more sluggish and hard work. I did find out I had an under active thryroid which would expalin that but even on medication now, I still feel different in that department.
Inside my vagina everything seems to be lower, as in the top is bulging but I just thought that must be what happens after a natural birth?
Now im thinking there might be an issue? Or is it normal to expect the inside just to feel a little different.
I have no pain with sex or any other issue.
Footle i hope this helps!
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Footle, hun, I think you should perhaps have a quick check in with your GP if you are at all worried. I haven't had pain meds for a week now and have had no blood for 2 or 3 days and even then it was very very pale and watered down with the normal 'lady juices!!!!!'
I was wondering what ladies were talking about when they said - when will I know my period is here - well, I cant see how they wouldnt as my bleeding has never been close to a period style loss. I have only need to use panty liners (hate that name) and not even normal pads.
Again, perhaps I've been lucky and I'm the abnormal and your loss is normal, but wonder whather you are doing a bit too much and causing the stitches to pull but having said that I drove today (very short journey) and am pretty much back to normal minus the hoovering!!
Hopefully everyone else will shed some light on bleeding.........
Well today was certainly a good day. My husband took me out for a bit to visit with people. I lucked into getting a couple of those donut cushions from a friend of mine. Her husband Tuck, only 28 years old also a friend of mine, recently passed away from colon cancer and he used the donut cushions after his surgery, so she gave them to me. I find them so awesome, now I can sit at the dinner table and the car rides are more tolerable as well. I also like the fact that I have something that Tuck once had, I miss him, he was so much fun, could make anybody laugh. He hardly complained when he was dying and he was in a lot of pain, so I at times feel bad for feeling sorry for myself, after everything that Tuck went through. When he was alive he talked about how he couldn't have a BM at all because of a total blockage in the colon, how awful that must have been for the while he endured that. I would tell him about my BM problems which were so lame compared to his, but he would listen. RIP Tuck, thanks for the cushions.
To Footle regarding pain meds. I have cut back my pain meds in half and can go as long as 10 hours for the last couple of days. I do have discomfort for sure, but not bad. I am one week post-op. I also have not hardly any bleeding right from the time they took the packing out. I have way more bleeding with me period. I have a very slight pinkish/red colour discharge, so light that the entire week would not have even touched the absorbancy of a liner. The more I do, the more discharge, but still that is in the amount of 2 drops more. I feel so good it is hard to believe that I had surgery. Today I was up a lot and walking more and now I feel a bit more tired, but not bad and I do ache more than usual. I don't know how old you are or how healthy you were before the op, but everyone does heal at a different rate. If you can't get into your dr right away, perhaps call a nurse from the hospital ward you were in or a medicare Q&A line. I think I would be worried about the bleeding too if I were you. Hope all is okay.
P.S. ladies, bowels are stil working perfectly and all is coming straight out.
Hello ladies, welcome to all the new posters. Sorry in advance for long post, I have been back to work this week, so not able to come out to play with all my new best friends. It's horrible being at work with people and not being able to talk about BMs, stitches and all others sorts of TMI hee hee
Footle, my experience of bleeding was like Jewel, very light and no way could I be confused as to what was period and what was not. It would do no harm to perhaps make a quick call to either gp or ward to check if this is what is expected. Better to be safe than sorry...! I do recall being told by someone who had the op before me that fresh blood could be from a bleeding stitch indicating an infection. Please check it out just in case. I was still taking pain meds ant 2 weeks, kept coming off them then going back on them, thinking I was ok then being in bits evening/night time. Maybe just lower the doses slowly..?
Keisha, yes hoovering is vacuuming. And whether it makes sex any better, some of the posters on the old thread said yes yes yes, but I am still too scared to have a go, my recovery has been slower than most and at 9 weeks post op I still have osme pains. I can't imagine trying it till all the pains have gone away. Luckily, or unluckily, my DH is going away for 6 weeks in 2 weeks time, so I am anticipating a fun reunion ho ho ho as I just HAVE to be recovered by then. We are a forces family so we are used to no sex for months and months (when he goes off for his desert holidays) and then fab fab fab reunions, so that will be a nice way to start the summer holidays off.
Here is a link to the old post, new ladies, you will find a lot of useful info here.
I don't know how to make it a neat link, perhaps someone else on the thread is more techno than me, and knows how to do that...?
Rect re you midnight posting with the big aches, I had the same ops as you and the same aches. You feel ok, soyou potter about then ouch argh ouch. You really do have to take it easy (says Mrs Pot).
Emily, you have made me feel so much better, I am in a right funk and you just described perfectly it in your post from Tuesday... oh der, I am due on any day, so probably that is why I feel like this. I am a bit of a div and hadn't put two and two together till I read your post. I think these ops send us off on an emotional path, like Flowers said, so if you add that to PMT it can be a bit much. TBH this thread really really helps, as its the only place you can vent, seek reassurance. How many of your RL Friends can you have detailed conversations about fanny pain with, over and over again..?
I went to my gp over something else, and he has given me a antidepressant presecription but I haven't taken it to the chemist yet, I am hoping I can just snap out of it. Realising that half of this is just PMT is marvellous, and makes me confident that given a week away with the inlaws next week (they are lovely, I can't wait) I might be able to just be smiley shiny happy people again without the meds.
Also Emily you are doing so well! I didn't do the school run for 5 weeks. I think I have turned into a little old lady after having this op (I am 43 so only halfway there really).
I am also on the south coast, W sussex/ Hants border, so hello neighbours!
Love and light ladies, and hooray for long posts xxxx
Footle - I would also recommend you ring and check about the bleeding. I'm now speaking from experience as I have an infection which is the last thing you want.
Missing - I hope work has been ok? It must be so strange going back to work after being off all that time.
Rect I think going out and about is good for ones mood. Your friend Tuck sounded very brave!
Hello Quickchat I had a bladder prolapse so I'm not familiar with the posterior prolapse but I'm sure one of the other ladies will be along to advise.
My bladder prolapse was very low so that I could see it and I had no doubt of it's presence as I had to push it back in sometimes. I know there are different degrees to these prolapses and if it's affecting you it may be worth showing it to your GP.
I am really please as for the first time in a long time I slept all night without getting up to go to the toilet. I'm so thrilled as it proves my bladder is capable of doing this now!
I start taking my anti -biotics tonight for a week and I can't dring any alcohol for 48 hours after the last one so thats annoying. I am not a massive drinker but I do like a of an evening sometimes. I'm dreading taking these tablet as there is a lot of bad press re side affects. Have any of you ever taken them? They are called Metronidazole?
Anyway off to potter about for a while.
Hello again, and thank you for the welcome.
Rect & Footle. I am intrigued to read that your pelvic muscles were strong. I had assumed that all these different prolapses were due to weak muscles down there, but apparently not. Quite reassuring to know that I am not necessarily in this situation due to not working them enough in the past!
Jewel. Yes, I am in the UK and will be depending on the good old NHS (unless I win the lottery in the meantime) so its good to hear how you got on. I am thinking, hmm, six months, might be sorted by Christmas if I am lucky, and, after putting up with it this long, that doesnt sound too bad. In fact, if I time it right, it might be my perfect excuse to get out of cooking Christmas dinner - always look on the bright side!
I would be fine with a hysterectomy, if offered one, as I am definitely finished with babies and, after 30 years of periods (give or take a pregnancy or three!) which have been a nightmare since the word go, Id be more than happy to see the back of them!
Footle. I definitely get constipated. It comes and goes and I find flaxseed oil capsules help a lot. Its horrible though isnt it. How awful that you battled on for so long thanks to that first doctor I am sure you have done the right thing and hope you feel better soon.
Meg. No personal experience with Metronidizole but, if it was me, I would have someone go buy me some probiotics from a health food shop. Acidophilus or similar. You need to kick the infections butt but the antibiotics will wipe out all your good buggs too so you need to replace them. Hope you feel better soon too.
Lemon, thanks for that advice, I hadn't thought of that x
Don't forget the yogurt , Meg - in fact I trust it more than acidophilus which is a hell of a price , though I know many people find it helpful. I'd have the equivalent of a small pot of proper yogurt twice a day ( orally !)
Rect, I'm 63. Respect to your friend Tuck's memory.
I think I've been too active, though it's hard to believe. And my OH pointed out that I was crouching for a few minutes in the garden yesterday, just taking out two small plants that needed to be somewhere else. I often squat instead of sitting , and I just forgot to wonder whether it was a good idea - I now think it was what caused the fresh blood loss. I won't go to the Dr today, just take it even easier than before. I must have pulled a stitch - just hope it's not actually come out. And my discharge is less smelly so probably no infection , touch wood.
Lemon, the consultant commented that the rectocele was above the pelvic floor and not affected by the muscle tone there. I feel a bit of an idiot for having soldiered on so long without realizing what had happened - I wasn't constipated all the time as I had IBS , and my concept of Normal must have gone wrong.
Keisha thanks for the robot info, it's both scary and interesting. You don't sound as if you were worried though !
Quickchat, if you think there might be something going on, why not ask the doctor ? Don't worry , I can't believe there are any more like the one I saw first !
Missing, maybe you don't need antidepressants at all , just keep coming here to talk about the important stuff. You've got a lot on with your chap and his "desert holidays" , and having to go back to work too soon, not to mention life, the universe and everything.
BTW I found this in the leaflet the hospital gave me :
"Sexual arousal ( not only intercourse ) tends to have a stretching effect on the vagina, which could interfere with the healing process. Once this area is completely healed, sexual activity may be resumed without discomfort". See, we're not even supposed to THINK about it.
Footle, thank you, that has made me smile. MN as the cure instead of the happy pills. Actually I think I have just cured myself, I just ate a bag of maltesers, a bag of chocolate buttons and a blue riband (in less than a minute) - I feel much better now. I am sure I can fix this myself - I tried reading "The Astonishing Power of Emotions" or something like that, last night, but I fell asleep (7.30pm!!!) so am no more enlightened than I was before, but I shall give it a go again tonight.
Rect I am sorry to hear about your friend, he sounds amazing. It's people like him that make us realise just how lucky we are, warts and all.
Meg, yes I had those same antibiotics and didn't have any side effects (but I do have a cast iron stomach and good guts). I was also warned off the drink, as apparently its really bad to drink when you have them.
"Sexual arousal ( not only intercourse ) tends to have a stretching effect on the vagina, which could interfere with the healing process. Once this area is completely healed, sexual activity may be resumed without discomfort". See, we're not even supposed to THINK about it. oh dear I thought about it and ouch ouch ouch I have some shooting pains. Well I shan't be thinking about it again until the end of July when he gets back home, he will just have to tie a knot in it till then.
Sorry forgot to say, Meg, thank you for asking about work, it's tired me out working this week, and that is with my lazy arse, sit down all day and look at the computer kind of job. I cannot imagine doing Keisha's job or anything even vaguely physical.
I know I am slow to recover energy levels (fibromyalgia) I don't want others to worry that their recovery will be this slow (sorry Rect).
I have next week holiday, so am looking forward to going up north to see my outlaws, they are fab and we all get completely looked after. That cold northern air will be just the ticket.
Happy healing ladies xx
Footle - Your last comment has made me laugh - I had an experience that I wasn't sure about sharing but now you have broached the subject.......
Last week, feeling a little sorry for my hubbie (and his high sex drive) I instigated a little 'grown up play time' - My not being physically involved of course, but just 'playing' was enough to make it hurt like hell! I wasn't even being touched but Oh the pain! It ached SO much inside that I had to stop! Poor hubbie!!!! So, yes, I suggest avoiding any kind of 'sexual arousal' for a few weeks!
And Thank you - Way too much information - As always from me!!!
Missing - My advice would be to try a little longer off the antidepessants and lean more on your family and prolaspe repair friends!! Sometime you simply need to get something off your chest to feel better and we are always here to listen and not judge!
LemonAda - I think you should definately get the bal rolling on this - the majority of us here wish we hadn't waited so long!
Footle - promise you will go tomorrow is there isn't a vast improvement. I have no smell at all so don't let it go for long (you know what it's like to leave things!!!)
Meg - sorry havent heard of those antibiotics but if the doc recommended them..... if you are prepared for the worst i.e, them knocking you sideways then whats another week on the sofa! We're getting quite good at this when we need to!
Missing - I sometimes wish I could have 'hormone removal'!!! My mood swings, lethargy, Bms, headaches are all connected to my cycle. It's ridiculous. I have an iPhone App where I log my cycle and it does an average and predicts my next period, when I ovulate etc, I also log headaches and symptoms and it's amazing to see the paterns!!!
Off to watch my little boy play football now. Been a right lazy arse the last two days (I went back to bed this morning for three hours!!!) so am determined tomorrow to get up early and make the most of the day!!
Em, I wasn't going to recount my amorous experience but it was much the same. Is this TMI from a grandma ? Mind you the things you know about me already.. Yes I will go to Doc tomorrow if I have to ,honest. It happens that I have a routine mammogram tomorrow ( was supposed to be before my op but when I got there the machine wasn't working ) and I hope that'll be enough medical activity for one day. Ouch , in advance.
Don't shout too loud for your little boy's team will you ? It could damage your health.
Missing, the cold northern air is just that , I've put the heating on today. Oh it's beautiful out there, all sparkly in bright sunshine after a heavy downpour , and clouds belting about over the fells. That's enough Nature Notes for now. For anyone not in UK , fells are hills and mountains ( small by international standards but quite serious ) in our part of the world. lakelandcam is a good site for pics.
Delightful to be reminded of the Astonishing Power of Chocolate .I don't do much of that these days but I'm a committed believer.
Ooo chocolate.......now where did I put that block of Dairy Milk......
Wow, so many posts to read this morning. I am always feeling behind because ! am, 7 hours in fact. An interesting thing I was reminded by Missing's post about fibromyalgia. Right after my surgery and for 4 days to follow, I had aches all over my body. The aches were more like when I touched any place on my body I felt bruised, but there was nothing there. I asked my dr about it and he said, it must be your fibromyalgia, as it can cause strange sensations in some people after surgery. Missing did you have anything like this? You are also right about doing too much and then feeling no so good. I woke up this morning very tired, very sore and kind of sickly feeling. I am committing myself to rest today.
You ladies are right about the sexual arousal, I didn't want to mention it, but because someone else did, I can talk about it now. phew! My husband was just rubbing my stomach and trying ot make me feel relaxed the day I got home from the hospital, but it aroused me and then, I said,"STOP!!!" it is hurting me, he didn't get what I was saying at first, then I explained it to him. He just read these posts with me and kind of laughed. I told him no more touching me for 6 weeks.
I am taking an antibiotic called ciproflaxacin,no side affects, but am waiting for the yeast infection to show up. I am eating yogurt for now, but we'll see.
Yes my friend Tuck was very brave and I see what got him through all his days and that was humour, so if we can laugh at ourselves, perhaps we can feel a bit better about things. Tuck was so funny that he was practiacally stand up comic material. He made all of us comfortable with the fact that he had cancer, by cracking a joke about it and opening up the subject. I think nobody really wants to talk about cancer as much as they don't want to talk about rectoceles, cystoceles and all those kinds of things we are meant to feel embarrassed about. Thank god for this site. TTYL
Em, thanks for that - lean lean lean. Will stash the script away, and just stick to choc and MN.
Oh no Footle, really...? Clouds? Rain? Heating....argh!! We are almost as south as we can get and its a right shock to the system driving up to the northeast in tshirts and shorts and needing our jumpers by the time we get there. We haven't had rain here for months, I have to water my plants, and the grass is going brown. We have rain forecast and the clouds sometimes come along, but they float over and don't water my garden boo. I have packed summer clothes with a couple of jumpers, guess I had better thrown in more jumpers, hey maybe gloves and scarves too while I am at it, we softy southerners will struggle with that fresh air. Mind you, that northern cooking yum yum..
Rect re the phantom bruises all over, that's what I feel like in the mornings when I am not taking care of myself, I feel like I have been run over in the night. After the surgery I was too drugged up to notice for the first week or so, in fact I felt great cos I am not used to taking painkillers, so I was spinning TBH. But yes after dumping the painkillers I am back to aching, but not all the time. Foolishly went in the pool yesterday (they have a 2 kids per adult rule so I was needed as the 2nd adult) and tried not to do much but by 7.30 I was in bed, aching, feeling sick to my stomach and running a fever. Fab. I thought I was being clever by swimming arms only, ie letting my legs float and just using arms. Guess not. That is me (Mrs Pot) telling you (Mrs Kettle) to take it easy knowing that I did that yesterday har har
Night night ladies, thanks for all being so lovely x
Bloody Hell Fire Woman!!!!
Missing, are you driving all the way up here ? Fire Woman x 2
Not sure really where to start but I'm so glad I've found you all.
I've been having trouble " down below" for years, never really knowing what the problem was, just thinking its one of those things we women have to put up with. Finally on a visit to the GP on a minor matter I mentioned in passing that I have trouble with my bowel movements, feel very uncomfortable and "not quite right". A quick exam later he decides that I need to visit a gyni consultant to get things sorted out as he thinks I have a rectocele.
My appointment is next wed and I'm starting to stress over it big time, my last experience hospital wise was for a hysterectomy 14yrs ago in a German hospital, translators, enema's and a general feeling of embarrassement.
I know I have to get this resolved and on the whole I'm pleased the process has started but I'm filled with such dread. Can i ask did/does anyone feel the same and how did you deal with it?
Emily yes I know. am ashamed. What a div. Saying that dont forget I am 9 weeks post op, I thought it might be ok...? it wasnt.
Footle, no DH is driving, he won't let me drive since I got pregnant and my attention span shrank significantly. that was 9 years ago. Now I take my pillow and am in charge of the bag of food - much better. 300 miles boo hiss I hate that drive.
Stardrops, yes everyone was full of trauma and worry beforehand. Stay with this thread we will cheer you up but you will need to put up with way way TMI
I am that stupid that I didn't notice anything was wrong, except I kept peeing myself all the time. I went in initially for a TVT to fix the peeing, but ended up with 3 ops instead. The doc told me I had a rectocele and seemed surprised I hadn't noticed. Now its fixed I can tell the difference but it didn't bother me before.
So far, everyone on this thread (I think) has been terrified to the point of cancelling, then gone ahead, then been glad of it. There is a long recovery time, and you really really need to take it easy afterwards, but after that, you get your life back. If you check out the link above somewhere, it goes to the old thread, and you can read about the ladies that had it done before, and their experiences too.
I am off to pack, have a great weekend ladies x o x o x
Missed lots of posts again, too many to comment on so will just say hope you are all doing fab x Welcome to all new ladies too x
Meg, I have my swab results back and am on the same anti biotics as you since yesterday, feel ok tho and think they are working already. The other night the pain was terrible in my (erm) 'wound area', have not felt pain like that since got it done but thankfully it is eased right off again now. Plus my tooth abssess recurred, as it does when I am low.
My rollercoaster ride has crashed back downward this week, from feeling so positive and good at the start of the week to in the depths of misery and despair weds and yesterday
Think all the upset weakened my immune system and caused the infection to worsen causing the pains, was crying my eyes out at the poor docs yesterday and went to high street to get my prescription looking and feeling awful. So awful in fact that 2 old ladies asked if I was ok and patted me.... made me cry
Having big problems with finance and the inland revenue refusing to pay up child credits for my daughter. It has been 8 weeks since I lost my job and 4 since I had my op. I have not been unemployed for more than 10 years and have always worked/studied to raise my girls. Feels like the whole system wants to kick you when your'e down. It was this govt that made me redundant from my job in april. and now they wont help me
Feel jealous of all ladies with loving DH/DP's. I really wanted some strong arms round me this week telling me it will all be ok. Thankfully my DD aged 23 has come straight over and stayed a few days to look after me. What an angel she is.
Had to laugh re the rude stuff you girls wrote.. That happened to me when I had a horny dream.. haha - learned not to think about it too cos it hurt lol. Me and my DD have been watching the True Blood series and perving over vampire Eric. What a dish, cant perv too much tho
Haha my post is long. Thank god for this site and you lovely ladies.
And thank god this week is nrly over. So much has gone wrong. I have never cried so much in years than since I had this op. It must be hormones even tho my bits are gone. Stupid doc says its cos I dont feel 'like a woman' anymore. I keep wanting to punch him. He doesnt understand at all. That is nothing to do with it lol
Al least I have all of you. Have a great weekend all xxx
Flowers, what a rough time for you. Yes, every time I or someone else writes about our lovely Other Halves, I keep thinking there must be plenty of people here without that support . Great that you have such a lovely daughter - that's a better kind of support than you'd get from a not-very-caring husband. And what a huge worry about the loss of your job : not the sort of thing you can put on the back burner till you feel stronger. Hope the child credits come through ok. That doctor's a prat - was that something he was told at medical school ? Hang on , isn't that the doctor who told you you couldn't have an infection because they only occur within 3 days of the op ?
Missing, I'm so glad you're not driving all that way. I had misread your earlier post and thought your DH was already away. Have a great half-term.
Stardrops, no enemas here and no shaving - at least no-one in UK has mentioned having them. We've got rid of our embarrassment by sharing our Too Much Information with each other on here - it really helps ! Do read this thread and also follow the link back to the original thread - it may take a couple of days but it's worth it to realize how we've all shared the same feelings.
How old are you ? I'm 63 and as far as I know I'm the oldest in the group at the moment, but there were one or two older women in the first thread. I had my rectocele repair / posterior repair at Lancaster ,16 days ago. I'm doing well but it's easy to overdo it ; I'm telling anyone who asks a bit about the op because SO many women have similar problems but do they talk about it ? No they damn well don't , there's a conspiracy of silence which stops us finding out that there is an operation that works. Well, as far as I can tell it's worked anyway. Do ask questions , we're happy to tell you our experiences and hear yours.
I just had my mammogram and it wasn't very nice. I took a sneaky Tramadol before I went .
Off to collect my 10yr old, he's been away on a school activity week in Devon for FIVE days! I have missed talking to him!!! So excited!!! LOL
Flowers, I wish I knew the best thing to say to you to make you feel better :-( TImes can be very tough and I am the first to admit that I consider myself lucky in life! Try and keep your chin up and vent as much as you need honey x x x
Welcome Stardrops glad you found us also. Take time to read our experiences and I think you will find that you will feel better about things.
Missing have a great weekend, I'm like you, hate the long drive and I wouldn't drive myself either, I would fall asleep, happens every time.
Flowers your daughters sound very kind, you abviously did a great job raising them. So sorry about your troubles, how disappointing at this time in your life. I am very blessed with my husband for support. My parents are both dead and my kids are at a rather selfish phase in their lives, I believe it is called teenager. My older daughters live an hour away and work full-time, so I don't see them much. I do have my Emily though, she is 12 and has been so kind offereing her help around the house. Anyway, I do hope you have a better weekend.
Footle I love to hear your honest words of wisdom, You are like a mom figure to us. I not having a mom for quite some time, surely needs to hear the advice of a wiser woman. I think you're cool. Don't blame you for sneaking a tramadol before the mamogram, they can be painful when they squish your boob into a pancake. I have only had one mamo in my life nad I wondered what would happen if you just suddenly passed out whie your boob was caught in a vice?
Jewel I like that you consider yourself lucky in life, not all are so aware of the blessings they have, even if it is just having life go smoothly. I have had really hard times in life and it does seem that when it rains it pours and that is one of those times for poor Flowers right now. The storm will end and in the meantime, Flowers, just lean on us for emotional support.
Forgot about my question for you all, I get reading your posts and I want nothing more than to comment on how amazing you all are.
I took it easy yesterday, hoping to avoid the pain that I suffered for my superhero moves the day before. Much to my surprize, I woke up feeling worse that the day before. I am not as tired, but that is the only difference. Why did this happen? Has it happened to any of you? Also yesterday I was out for a walk and when trying to wipe a bit of mud from my shoe, out of nowhere, my groin just shot pain right down my leg, just about knocked me off my feet. I am assuming this is from the TVT. Any thoughts? This kept me aching in that area for the entire day and it is still here. OUCHY
Rect - I get the odd niggle, like when I ironed today for 20 minues there was the odd pain, not as bad as a shooting pain but a shapr pain but I haven't had anything as bad as you described which makes me think it is not related to the posterior repair but somehting else you had done. When you all talk about TVT do you mean mesh that is built into the wall? Lots of you talk about it and I dont really know what it is!!!!
Thank you everyone, you are all so kind and lovely
I called hmrc again today and got a much nicer lady than the horrid man the other day, she said my payment is being held back incase I go back to work in future and they will reassess it at the end of the tax year (April 2012) and if I am still entitled I will get it then!! Incredulously, I said well I need it now, not in 2012, so she has requested I be given it on hardship grounds, the request goes to head office who will call me with their 'decision'...
Yes Rect, oldest daughter is very sweet, she is nrly 23 tho, my 18 yr old has been a big let down since my op and has gone to stay at her bf's now for a while as her not helping around the house, not contributing money even tho she was working etc has caused 2 arguments in recent weeks, my youngest is 15 and stressed with her gcse's right now but generally ok and a comfort to me.
That sounds terrible re your pain, I didnt have TVT so cant offer any thoughts other than take it easy and hope it wears off soon, have you taken any painkillers?
Yes - we are all amazing, and that includes you too xx
See Jewel , housework is dangerous... Wise Old Woman of the Fells has spoken. If the good Lord had meant our clothes to be smooth he would have made us flat ..
Sorry I think I'm delirious , boob squashing can have that effect.
Well a TVT is basically a mesh tape. Transobturator tape technically and is only about 1/4 inch wide and 10 iches long until they cut the length to fit after insertion. I have the Monarc sling (brand name). I watched the op on their website and what they do is, cut a small incision in your upper vaginal wall to expose the urethra. They also make an incision about 1/2 inch on each side of your area, the groin. They slip a hook through the groin incisions and come out at the vaginal incision and put the mesh tape on and pull it through on each side and then sew you up. Viola! you should be fixed for urine leakage. This is why infection is risky, foriegn object in the body. CHeck ou tthe Monarc sling video op, it is interesting. Just google monarc sling and teh video should show up.
I have taken pain meds to dull the ache in the groin and as long as I don't move too quickly the wrong way, the pain is tolerable. Trouble is "the wrong way" is not obvious until you've done it.
Well i must get of my but and do some activity today, I will go out to my herb garden and do a bit of pottering. Then I will come back in and kint.
Have a great evening ladies!
Well now I can see why I have had such less pain than a lot of you! A posterior repair is no where near as invasive as a TVT!!!! I can imagine weeks of pain with that!!!
I think TVT is sometimes used for posterior repair as well ?
So I hope you don't think what I am about to say is too weird, but every day after my shower, I like to look down there to see if everything is healing well. The trouble is, my vagina is so swollen, that I don't see much opening. I only see bruising and a couple of stitches on the perineum. I have the two groin incisions as well, but one side came out and opened up, so it is too late to close it. It will heal with a gap. I am hoping sex goes good, I am worried because I had both top and bottom fixed, that could narrow things up quite a bit. He did warn me because of the lack of tissue to sew to, that sex will be painful for the first while.
Jewel, did you watch the video?
Footle, I have heard they use mesh on some posterior repairs, but I don't know what it looks like. The dr. showed me the tape he put around my urethra.
Regarding my groin pain, my husband said that the dr. mentioned while I was in hospital that groin pain is uncommon. The dr. asked me if my groin hurt at all and I said yes but not too bad. He said I would be his first patient to have it. I don't remember this conversation, when he explained this to my husband, but there is a muscle that is inside of the groin area and they try very hard not to touch that muscle. If you poke through it, he said it would be excruciating. In my case he may have just bruised it a bit when threading the TVT through. So I guess that may be my problem. Funny thing my memory is not all intact from my stay in hospital. I remember some things, but not all. Mmmm
It is nearly 3:30 am and I haven't been sleeping. Today, I overdid it. I went out to the garden and pulled weeds for 1/2 hour, then rested. I cleaned the bathroom and the kitchen, then rested. I got a call from my husband that his truck broke down and he really needed me to come pick him up, so I drove to go get him. I know i am not supposed to drive, but I didn't know what else to do. I had to wait for hubby to get his truck running before I could drive back home, so I was worn out by the time it was all done, drove home and started dinner, then I was sore. Serves me right. I just don't know what i am supposed to do as far as activity goes and how much really. I didn't do anything straining at all, just up and moving mostly. I feel guilty because I think my husband wants me to do things as he is always telling me to get up and go for a walk or do something for a few minutes. He wakes me up if I am sleeping to give me breakfast. These things are all nice, but I would rather sleep and wait for breakfast. I also would rather just rest in bed sometimes and not have to go for a walk or what ever. I don't know what to do? I think when hubby goes back to work next week, I will get more rest. Am I wrong to just take is easy sometimes? I know I have to walk etc., but i don't want to make a schedule out of it. i am just grumpy about it I guess. I shouldn't complain, but I am frustrated.Any sound advice out there?
Well over the past few months I have been folllowing this site - the help and info has been great. I am one week post op! posterior repair with large rectocele. I endured years of suffering in silence, perhaps because I lived with the condition for so long I didnt realise there was anything wrong and the sheer embarrassment of discussing it! I had had a terrible delivery over 20 years ago my gynae said pre-op ''everything was in the wrong place''
I stayed in one night and first few days were rough but then a speedy recovery. I have come to work (office) as I cannot rest at home I keep finding jobs that need doing! I have been so lucky, I came home thinking my teenage daughters would help but after a day they lost interest and left me to fend for myself - ummm I didnt really have anyone else to help me so had to force myself to the kitchen for essentials.
I need advice from you experienced girls -
I am very sore but this is from the stitches rubbing, sitting/walking - how long do they take to disolve? if I have healed can I snip the ends of them? also as my biggest problem was with BMs, whilst thankfully I have not experienced any constipation I still am unable to empty in full and have to assist, very difficult with so many stitches down there - is this normal? will it improve?
Blue, welcome and well done ! So sorry I have visitors and don't have time to say much at the mo, but DON'T snip anything yourself , you might infect the wound.
Phone the ward where you were .
More soon, hope you rest a lot,sorry youhaven't got help at home
Footle, I have read and learnt so much from your threads, and all these other lovely ladies, we are all so brave - some have been through so much more, but your strengths made me go and get the help I needed although I was so terrified. I am sure I did too much too soon, but try hard to listen to my body - I was so scared at the stories I had read knowing I would not manage if I couldnt drive after a few days, because I was on my own, if I was at home I would see the chores that needed doing and would attack them, getting into work (office) meant I would not abuse myself at home. ( I shouldve been sedated more!) I lowered the car seat and had a really soft thickish cushion and it worked - I had to be soo careful though. I was never told not to drive, most likely it is just expected it would not be possible with the pain/discomfort. Now a week on and back to a level of acceptable sanity even I realise how foolish it was to even attempt to drive so soon. I was on my own though and clearly delusional. I found other way to do chores that kept looking at me and know you would all see the funny side! - I was so nauseous until day 6 but I had to get into work, I was not able to sit upright for long lengths so lay on the floor when I needed to and found a way to perch on the edge of a stool-and I only stayed for a few hours at a time at first. I am not sure what signs to look out for? pain on walking/standing for too long? - thankfully I stocked up on the heavier main shopping so don't need to venture into shops, I know I would not manage to stand and of course carry anything.
Just so sore with the stitches - am happy there is no infection but the ends are so sharp and causing unneccesary blistering... when do they dissolve?
Blue, thanks for the nice comments , it's good to know that even people we're not aware of have been getting help from our conversations.
I'm a bit worried about you though. I can't find it at the moment but I recently found a youTube piece with an Australian physio explaining about the importance of rest after these ops - she's had a rectocele repair herself. The main point was that the repair needs plenty of time with no pressure from above, ie you need to be lying down quite a lot of the time in the early days and weeks . You are only a week in and already saying that you've had a 'speedy recovery' , but it doesn't sound as if you are really feeling recovered just yet. The stitches take 4 to 6 weeks to dissolve fully. Think about the job the stitches are doing - the itching and pulling are something we have to put up with while the stitches hold the edges of the wound together and make sure the scar tissue will be strong enough to allow BMs and sex. It's not good that the stitches are so uncomfortable - maybe you are still very swollen around them ?
Also you say you aren't constipated but the BM is still getting stuck. I wonder if that's because you are still too swollen for it to come out properly ? I take this laxative stuff every day because I've been told not to strain. And if you are "splinting" to help it come out ( and I can't imagine how painful it must be , doing that at the moment ) , it may be that you're making it more swollen... I was told to ring the ward if I had any questions in the first week or so as the average GP won't be as well-informed about how you should be progressing. If no joy from the hospital, go to the GP, and if no help there , get the number of your consultant's secretary and explain that you are having problems.
I'm sorry, I don't want to be alarmist and remember, I don't have enough knowledge to know if what I'm saying is right . But this is MAJOR SURGERY , not just a bit of a tweak - not so long ago the NHS would have sent you off to a convalescent home if you had no-one to look after you properly. Yes maybe you should have been sedated more ! Honestly, I think your body is telling you in various ways that it needs more of a break to deal with all this : you're not delusional now but you are still in shock from the op, we all are , it takes a while. I just wish I could suggest a way that you could take it easy at least for a couple more weeks. Had 4 teenagers, bought the T shirt. Well, 4 T shirts.
You will keep in touch won't you ?
HI everyone, hope you are all having a good saturday
Rect, you asked 'am I wrong to just take it easy sometimes?' - the answer is NO!! A big fat 'no' too!! You are SUPPOSED to take it easy!! For 6 weeks, minimum!
Yes it is sweet of hubby to bring you breakfast, but let him bring you it when you are ready to wake up! My first couple of weeks post op I was lucky if I woke up before 10am every day. Your body needs rest, think of all your energy going to heal your insides, that is why we are so wiped out in the early weeks, there's a lot going on inside, cant see it but your body is working 100% and then overtime to mend itself! You are not supposed to be doing anything! No housework, no walks, just REST REST REST! If you want to stay in bed then just stay there! Listen to your body, do activity only when you are totally comfortable and don't push yourself to do more. I know its hard (pot, kettle anyone) and it especially hard when people cant 'see' how ill you are as there isnt anything to see, but you have basically had your insides moved around and rearranged!!
And Blue, welcome, but your post made me shiver!! In fact I ran right upstairs from where I was on my sofa reading on my mobile to log onto pc to say this to you! STOP what you are doing!! 1 week post op and you are doing housework, and going to work! I am flabbergasted by what you wrote! PLEASE stop now and give yourself some time to heal! You say you have suffered in silence so long, but we are all here! And we like to support each other on here cos we all know what it's like! Yes its hard to see the place become like a tip but seriously WHO CARES!? It doesn't matter, you should be at 1 week after your op basically resting.. leave the chores alone!! The dust in my front room is 3 inches deep now but I am not touching it till I can be bothered!!
AND you should NOT be driving so soon! Are you in the UK? Do your shopping online via Asda, its only £3 for delivery.. Write a note with your order that they have to bring it right in to your kitchen worktop and they will! Jeez woman what are you doing?? And where do you have to go?? I understand re the teenage daughters, I have one like that and it hurts, but you have to try and get through to them that you are ill and you need them.. please tell me you are not still trying to pick up after them etc, if you are then stop it! You should be doing nothing for at least 3-4 weeks, then gentle activity with lots of breaks but absolutely no lifting or heavy work like hoovering/ironing. Yes I said nothing, that means zero, nowt, not anything at all, zilch, nada, naught, diddly squat, sweet FA!
Now please listen to footle and get medical advice from your ward asap. Don't try and snip anything, you could injure yourself! And no, you should not be trying to help yourself go, you could get an infection, please please see your GP or phone your ward, promise me you will... Oh poor love, we are here for you and you should of piped up sooner, this is a difficult op to get through on so many levels, and even if you feel alone in your RL you can at least come on here when you need to and offload, we don't mind! Get some books you have been meaning to read, magazines (as trashy as you like), DVD's (I recommend True Blood for a bit of excitement/escapism) and put your feet up! Let the place go to wrack and ruin if it has to! Take care of yourself!
Sorry for moaning at you like this but please do not try and be superwoman and get yourself some advise and then some rest.. even if you dont 'want' to rest you have to.. you have had the courage to have this op to fix your problem so give yourself a chance to heal so you can avoid these problems in future.. it will be worth it in the end, a few weeks rest is nothing tho it feels sooo hard, I am sure you deserve a rest and if no one is around to pamper you then just do it for yourself, sending you hugs xoxoxo
Ohhh my post crossed with footle's and she has been much more gentle and diplomatic than me, I am sorry, I didnt want to alarm you or scare you off, its because I know exactly how you feel that I wanted to get through to you cos you sound a lot like me, headstrong and used to surviving and doing what you gotta do, pls accept my apologies if my post is too strong but also listen to footle's wise words x
Welcome Blue. Okay, Just going to share with you what i believe to be cause and effect in my own experience. I am also one week post op. I had rectocele, cystocele and TVT. My bowels work as normal as ever, no splinting. I use docusate and massive amounts of fiber and water, the stools just fall out of me, no use of that bowel muscle at all. When I stand too long or walk to much, I have trouble peeing this is because of swelling building up from pressure down there. You had rectocele, but that would swell just the same as the wee parts and cause difficulting with a lot of things. I have been told from my nurse friends, that just because you are out of the hospital doesn't mean you're better and you don't heal any fater today than you did in 1950s. All the medical advancement we have and not one thing can increase the speed of recovery except good old fashoined rest.
I would hate to see you jeopardize the healing process and possibly reverse the work done by surgery, but the reality is, it could happen if you are not careful. Oh I hope I am not seeming judgemental, I am just giving you a wake-up call. I hope to hear from you again, I feel really bad for your situation, but ultimately you must control your urge to work all the time. Try to look at this like a bit of a holiday in a way, be selfish damn it you deserve it. I would also question how well the surgery worked if you are splinting, but try some major laxatives and see how it goes.
Happy healing my dear.
Faster not fater, sorry for the typos.
Thanks Flowers and Rect ! Blue, I've been worried that you'd feel you were being told off but I actually agree with everything they've said .. only telling you off because we're worried for you.
It would be another Bank Hol weekend wouldn't it - but please don't delay.
I think ladies, it is much easier to 'see it' and be kind to others than it is to be to ourselves, it's how we are conditioned, we are all guilty of it, those naughty thoughts.. no one's looking so I'll just do this or that... well, that is why we need each other and why we should be as kind and good to ourselves as we recommend for each other
You're right Flowers, we tend to advise on stuff we should do, but not necessarily do we practice our own advice. I have been guilty there. I realise that I need to take care of myself and I will do my best to rest. Hubby is going back to work next week and he told me, to rest and really get myself better. I told him I wanted to do one daily activity and that was cook dinner, nothing complicated that would cause me to stand for a long period of time, just some simple meals. He told me that if I was up to it, then yes, but if dinner wasn't made when he gets home, he will make it. He wants me to get better and stay fixed up too.
Well I must go now, take care everyone and Blue hope you post again of your progress, would love to hear from you.
Well where can I begin, if I was with you all I would give you all a big hug - you are all the friends I didnt know I had, you are all so kind, you are right and I know with what I have been through already that I would tell anyone else new exactly wht you have told me. I am self employed, and could not dare begin to tell you how hard ive worked, I am also divorced and have no family around me apart from the girls.
I was so upset last night with one of my daughters I drove off and rested in a car park for a few hours as it hurt physically to cry - I feel ashamed as she is my responsibility and I clearly have failed to teach her to be the person I expect her to be. I know she will improve and its an age thing but I also know I would have helped so much more had it been my mother and I was my daughter's age...silly little things are getting to me and I am emotional. I feel better already, and thank you for listening!
I got home from work yesterday and the dog had not been out for a walkies, since pre-op, I have a good sized garden but he is more help than the girls, and the guilt when he got my boots out ready was too much - I took him out in the car, he does not need a lead and he is does everything I ask. ( wish he would hang the washing up!) By the time I got to the first gate I had to sit down, I knew I could not walk any further and left him to entertain himself. I was weak and quite light headed. Even I didn't think I would be that bad. No real pain just a bit of pressure and the soreness from the stitches, which after all this I have not touched! :-)
I never did ask if they put any mesh in, however it feels like a razor blade bulging through the perinium stitches, (presumably as you have said swelling)and I do need to apply a little pressure there whilst attempting the BM. I have increased my fluid intake and will try some mild laxatives but do have to assist or would be even more uncomfortable. I did leave some medication on the ward so will try have a chat when I go to collect it.
I know I will one day become an expert on this topic and hope I can welcome, support and advise those girls like me that have lived with this condition in silence for so long. You really have helped me more than you will ever know already. X
Hello again, Thanks for the warm welcome.
I've been slowly working my way through your older posts and boy you're right, way way too much info! but it does help and its amazing that in just 2 days i feel so much more comfortable discussing whats going on with my body. I felt for so long it was just me so thanks again!
I'm 45 and never considered myself prudish but I guess its just the part of the body we're dealing with, if it was a broken arm, lungs or even an in growing toenail I probably wouldn't feel quite so awkward. You ladies dont mince your words and its FAB!
Have been chatting to DH about it and he's going to come to the hospital with me, sit outside while I chat to the Dr and then come if when he tells me whats going on and what if anything they can do. I'm not so sure if I'm more worried they will offer surgery and all that that entails of if they decide to leave things alone and I have to carry on as I am which I think would be the worse option.
I shall continue to work through your posts, its so encouraging to hear from others who felt the same and have come out the other side. Have a lovely bank holiday, rest and thanks again. xXx
Hello Rect, thank you too for the nice things you said . I'm no wiser than anyone else , but no-one minds being told they're cool! I was going to say that you seemed to be overdoing it yesterday, though obviously you had to help your husband in that situation, but Flowers said it for me. No-one can accuse me of overdoing it at the moment, I'm quick to give up and lie down if I get uncomfortable. BTW, the doughnut cushion is a big help and I'm glad I bought it. I couldn't find a sensibly-priced one online but the local chemist got me one for £16 and it's been worth it even for these few weeks. I'll have it to lend out if it's needed. I'm starting to do some easy cooking too , making sure I don't stand around and don't have to do it in a hurry.
Flowers, how are you today ? and Blue, hope you are feeling less and not more stressed after posting ?
Oops, posting while Stardrops and Blue were at it too !
Hi Stardrops and welcome! like you I am a newbie here although admit I have been ''stalking'' the site for several months. like you I was never the type to discuss any problems ''down there'' and this will make you laugh probably 5 years ago when attending my female GP with something else I blurted out a little about this condition.....too embarrassed to discuss the real horror stories but she referred me to a consultant general surgeon. I looked him up on the internet and that was enough quite simply there was no-way I was going to talk to ''him'' about my ''private life'' and that was that! I never went and continued to suffer in silence. Scared, ashamed embarrassed and terrified I would have to face so many strangers with my deepest secrets! I know my condition has progressively got worse but this site has helped me so much and the kindness and dignity shown by the staff at hospital has restored my faith in the health service. Be strong, take each hurdle one at a time and when you get through it you will be soo proud of yourself. I know everyone here will support you and those silly little questions that mean so much to you can easily be answered here.
Stardrops, I think most of us felt a bit stunned by all the info here but now look at us, getting a whole lot off our chests , so to speak, and feeling so much more able to cope. It's too soon for me to be sure it has all worked properly but it seems like it , and I've got no regrets about having done it.
Blue, I hope that car park is somewhere safe and that the dog came too. Re the daughters : you haven't said how old they are but it is NOT your fault if they are not (yet) the people you hoped they would be. There are huge pressures on them, both internal from all those hormones that transform them from our darlings into alien life-forms and eventually to recognizable and lovable adults ; and external , from a big and often bad world that shapes them in ways we parents aren't fully aware of. And can't do anything about.
Rect this is all your fault, now I'm trying to sound like a wise old woman. Picture me as Yoda with a sore fanny, OK ?
Footle not only are you wise, but you're funny too lol...hahah, I can picture the expression on Yoda's face.
Blue so glad to hear from you. I have 4 daughters and I understand all too well about age related issues. My two oldest daughters are 25 and going to 22 and I have one that just turned 18 so many fresh memories there and a 12 year old who would like to think she is 18. My sons were not the same as the girls, really the were easier to deal with. They do change for the better. I remember when my daughter Alixandra was 16, we got a call from the police she and her two friends were in jail. They were caught stealing. I was horrified at the thought of her doing this. As it turned out the police officer told us he was not going to charge them, as he has seen a lot of these cases and these girls are not criminals, they are just teenage girls who have lost their brains and they will get them back sometime in the next 5 years. He was right, Alix and her friend Abby are good now, they needed to grow up! Well I hope you are able to take it easy for bit, it will help you emotionally as welll, if you rest.
Well have any of you ladies ever developed a yeast infection during your recovery? I think I have one and it is quite bothersome, very itchy and it burns. ouch. After the antibiotics I guess that is what can happen. I can't imagine putting cream in there, I doubt it would be a good idea, I hope I can hang on till Friday when I see the dr.
Hello everyone, just a quick hello. I will come back later for a proper post.
Blue sorry you are having such a hard time at the moment, be kind to yourself!
I hope everyone is healing well.
I am on day 4 of my anti biotics and have not had any bad side affects fingers crossed. Today my bleeding has almost stopped and I am feeling pretty good for the first time since my op. I am now nearly 3 weeks. Today I dared to think about my return to work as a posibility once my 6 weeks are up so I must be feeling good. I am a nursery nurse in a pre-school so it's very physical so I will have to be very careful when I go back. Anyway, little steps,little steps.
Speak soon xx
Oh not thrush as well , that's too much ! Hope it doesn't develop , Rect and Meg and anyone else including me.
Hi All, another one of those 'done to much' days! I don't feel bad, ust exhausted. TBH I think I am getting a cold - my throat feels tight, I feel a bit spacey and I have a headache!!
I am also waiting impatiently for my period (day 32 now!) - I think the surgery has frightened it off although I have had my snappy PMT head on for a week! Am wondering if that also explains my spaciness and the ache in my tummy!
Drovean hour and back today to drop my boys off with their grandparents for a few days. The driving was no problem and my OH came with me incase I couldn't manage!!!
I am slowly doing more and the only negative from it is getting tired easily. I ache a little toady where my stitches are but I was think that after 16 days the healing process should be well under way and so the stotches will be pulling at healing skin and so may hurt more now than when they were just done (??)
Rect - Over here we can get a tablet/cream combo for thrush - that may be an option for you and just put the cream on the outside? Although make sure that is what it is and nothing else?!
Right, I'm having a sofa moment now, so I'll catch up again tomorrow
P.S - sorry for spellings - I was never one to check back over my work!!
Well the thrush is not bothering me as much as yesterday, so I will see if I can wait it out till I see the dr, just in case it happens to be something else. My husband figures a does of diflucan (oral yeast med.) couldn't hurt anything. I have to get into town or the city to get some meds though.
I took it super easy today. I was tired and sore and felt unsteady and lightheaded, so I spent most of the day in bed resting and knitting. I almost have completed a long sweater for myself since surgery.
Hubby goes back to work tomorrow, so I will fend for myself. I think I will be fine, I am not going to overdo any activity and supper is really the onlly task at hand.
Well must go now and be in touch tomorrow.
Hello, all, hello new ladies. So many posts!!
Re the razor blade feeling YES I had the same it felt like razors - its the stitches and the swelling and it goes away. Very slowly.... Just take it easy - I know it goes against the grain but imagine how you felt if you overdid it, went back to the doc and they said well the whole thing needs to be redone cos you didn't rest..
For ages it has felt like razor blades in my perineum (my new double the old size perieneum) when I wiped after a wee, but either that has gone away now or I have gotten so used to it I don't notice it, hmmm, I will have to check.
Rect re the TVT yes to groin pain, oh dear, this isn't good. At 9 weeks post op its still bothering me but only on one side. Guess that muscle got poked. It is easing off, it is getting better but almost imperceptibly. However I don't recall having the pain shoot down my leg, but shooting grin pain, oh yes, many times in the last couple of months. I also get it at what I imagine is the bit where the urethra is, but not that often and that is a sharp pain, not the big deep pain that I get along the side, where I guess the TVT goes. But hey so far its worth it to be peeing properly, nice big wees instead of the constant micro wees I used to do.
Flowers I am sorry you have all this to deal with, and also Blue, I do hope things settle down and that you get that cash Flowers. Love and light ladies xx
Thanks missing, Im not too hopeful I will but feel much better and even jumped up at 8am today and had fired off a job app by noon, sooo pleases with myself and hope to get back in the job seeking groove.. dont wanna be on stupid benefits anyway
Rect. so glad you are taking it easy.. sounds much better and keep knitting away, once you've finished your own sweater you can make us all one ;)
Jewel, hope you manage to ward the cold off, take it easy wont you x
Blue and stardrops, hope yr both ok x
I feel alive again today instead of half corpse-like after a relaxing all wknd, my eldest girl has been here cooking and cleaning like an angel, only tiny niggle is my tooth infection aint budgin despite being on anti-b's, was hoping it would kill it aswell
Hope your all doin well
Miserable today, barbed-wire feeling on one side telling me to lie flat or on my side , and back to the Tramadol and Paracetamol . No words of wisdom, just FED UP. Hello all you lovely people xx
The Ups and Downs we all have!!!
Just keep it in mind that downs are followed by ups!!!!
We are all in the dumps a bit (except for Flowers who is doing her damnest to keep her chin up!)!!
I have a really sore throat!! Also been really tired and achey today! Althought sitting on the sofa all day has made me feel lazy and bored and now I'm stir-crazy!!!
Moan moan moan !!!!!
Nothing else to report just sending you vibes to make it through the crappy bits!!
Thanks for the vibes. Combined with the drugs I'm sure they'll do the trick. Hope everyone has a good Bank Hol evening and we all feel loads better tomorrow.
Hell everyone, wow this thread has taken off! I'm ten or eleven days post op and can totally empathise with the 'barbed wire perineum'. I cannot 'sit' on it so am still lounging in bed. Had to use frozen peas last night wrapped in a towel - there is no dignity with this is there?? Also have a tooth prob Flowers40. I went to see the dentist last week and she prescribed me a 3 day course of anti b's, seemed to sort it but back with a vengeance this morning. OH went and spoke to her at the surgery and persuaded her to give me another course, 5 days this time which hopefully will do the job.
May I send a hug to anyone who needs one? Although I have fantastic support now, I know exactly what its like to have none. My heart goes out to anyone struggling. Look after yourselves ladies :-)
Hi Teedee, sorry about the tooth and Flowers, that is something you dont deserve on top of everything else - was one of my fears before I went in needing the dentist. I think I am a day ahead of you post surgery and wondering if the razor blade I am sitting on will rip open any second now.
Rect, Missing and Footle, I did need a wake up call - thank you, I am so independant and never ask for any help before I certainly could not go through this again so I am slowing down - my body has made sure I do by giving me some horrible bug overnight. have still come into work though to sit behind the desk or I know the vacuum will come out! by the time I get home I know I wont manage it but what will the ASDA delivery man say? I wonder if he will stay and help when I tell him what awful daughters I have!
I will blame you all if he doesnt as I am only following your instructions.....
Teedee, nice to know you're miserable too .. oh you know what I mean ! Yesterday I walked round to the cafe to meet a friend and had a nice time but was sitting awkwardly on a sofa as I hadn't taken my cushion. It had a bad effect and I still feel a bit the worse for wear. Yes, frozen peas or ice pack are very useful. I'm THREE weeks tomorrow for goodness sake. Thankes for my share of the hug. Have one yourself.
Ouch! I sneezed!! soooo painful - I am seeing stars - that was not supposed to happen!
Blue, isn't there a Special Instructions bit on the order form ? Disabled is the word you need to use - it's true at the moment. No need to mention daughters.
sneezing is bad.
Rect, tell me about the sweater you've made - I like to know these things. Is it a free pattern from Ravelry or Knitty ? What yarn ? And how did you manage to sit upright enough for long enough to knit so much ? I've managed about 3/4 of a large sock so far.
Oh no, sneezing isn't allowed...! On one of the pamphlets it said no sneezing of coughing for 6 weeks, so I spent the first 6 weeks terrified of catching a cold.
Sorry to hear that everyone is having the downs right now, and yes of course that means everyone due an up, any minute now
What is it with these ops and teeth - the 2nd week after my op, my front teeth went black (too many prunes!) and I broke a back tooth eating a date... I have never been to the dentist so much in my life.
Re the Asda delivery man, if you go with Ocado (big debate there I know) they bring the bags into your kitchen (or wherever you ask them to) as a matter of course. If you do a late night shop its free/cheaper.
Barbed wire is a great description, that's just what it's like. Don't worry it does get better, but don't sit on it or stand on it too much, give it all a chance to heal. When I went to my doc at 6 weeks he gave me some estrogen gel, as apparently it can "beef up" the tissues in that area.
Re the CVs, I know how frustrating it is. DH and I are both working at the mo, but he is out of the army in the summer, and my job is ending in June, so I am spending most of my time sending out CVs for him, looking for a civvie job, and CVs for me looking for another role within the company I work at. So we're lucky we are both still working, but it's horrible not knowing what we will be doing by the autumn. If it was just one of us it would be easier, but unfortunately it's both at once. I guess some would say, how exciting, new things for both of us, but this kind of excitement I could do without right now... argh.
Anyway, we are up north and it's rained almost constantly. We had been missing rain, not having seen any for months at home, but now I am bored of it. The sun came out today and my SIL advised me that this (brief glimpse of sun, FREEZING winds, is the middlesbrough summer. Ouch.
Hi everyone, thanks for the giggles you lot give me as always.. Well, guess what I have gone and done now.... (drum roll...) - bought a MOLLY TROLLEY!! Yep them old lady things you pull along with your shopping in, only mine's black with cerise spots and damn fine if I do say so myself!! You just have to do the uber cool walk when your'e walking with it as if its the trendiest thing on the planet, I Love it!!
I had went high street for a flea collar for my cat, then bought a few extra items in the pound shop like you do and even with only 5-6 things in my basket I could feel the dreaded 'pull' begin, so headed to a shop where I knew they sold them and hey ho they were on sale for only £7.50. A great investment I say and before you all cry 'never!' - let me tell you it fitted in all my pound shop bits, some clothes I got my DD for the holiday AND some food shopping! It has big white wheels and a little stand for when your'e just browsing, what's not to love!
I was only out a couple of hours (oh the excitement of being 'out' instead of the mad lady locked in the attic) but now I feel totally exhausted, tho I did do another job app this morning before I went so a busy day.. my eyes are sooo heavy and might have to lie down lol, tooth no better so phoning dentist is on tomorrows list of things to do
Hope you are all well and you TVT ladies not having any more problems with the barbed wire, take it easy all, lets all hope this will be a better week xoxox
Oh what a cheerful lot we all are. I've my appointment tmrw at the hospital (to find out what if anything they can do for me or if its all in my mind ) and I'm a teary, stressy mess so I am thinking of you all and sympathising. Hope everyone feels brighter tmrw, maybe the sun will even shine.... ok maybe not! Off to Fat Club (Skinny School my DH calls it) in a mo, thats bound to be a big non event the way I've been feeling. Still at least when I get home I can have a or 2 and not have to worry about the syns till next Tues! Keep your chins up everyone. xXx
Loving the image of Flowers with her trolley!! That's bought a smile to my face!
Missing sorry that you too have the groin pain, but like you I am glad I had it done. I don't know for sure if it worked for the leakage problems, but I know I hold my bladder longer than before. Good luck with the job search.
Blue glad you are not upset with our harsh honesty. You are important and need to feel that way too, I don't give heck unless it is necessary and because I care.
Footle I have been knitting while lounging in bed just sitting up very slightly leaning on several pillows. It is comfortable that way, no pressure on the bottom. I am knitting a long sweater from a pattern that I bought on line and they send it to you in a PDF file. It is rather retro, probably from the 70s, but I love it. It was supposed to made out of buffalo wool, but I am using acrylic instead as I planned not to line it, I don't care for the itch of wool. I just made my hubby a wool sweater and lined it, he loves it. I will look up the site I bought it from and you can go there and check it out. If I lived in the UK close by you all, I would totally knit you all sweaters.
Flowers the "Molly Tolley" sounds cool, it will be a big help to you for sure.
Jewel a cold??? how awful for you, that is enough to put anyone in the dumps, but worse while trying to recover. Take it easy, and be lazy, no shame in that right now. Do you feel up to creating some jewelery pieces?
I have been feeling alright really. I get a bit light headed at times, don't know why. I think I might have some kind of infection happening, might be yeast, not sure, but going to dr on Friday. We went to visit a friend last night and I think I was standing too long, I started to throb and ache down there and then had to lie on the couch for a bit. After lying on my side with my knees slightly bent, when I went to get up, my knee was so stiff I could hardly bend it. My arthritis is kicking in now and the fact that I notice it, means the other pain I was having is going away.
I have to say it is really nice to hear about your lives and get to know you all on a more personal level and not just talk about our surgeries.
Well that is all for now.
blue thanks for the good wishes, but please will you lie down?! You're making me anxious. I'd hate to thing you would do some damage..
Footle I'm very impressed at you going out to a cafe - would you recommend one of those cushions? I have a feeling (HA) it will be a while before sitting down will be comfortable!
Missing so glad to hear that it gets better from someone who has had the 'barbed wire experience'
Flowers your trolley sounds fab! If I ever leave the house again I could be tempted.
In other news I have done an online Asda shop today, about the extent of my capabilties I think.
Oh and by the way I'm in Sussex, I believe not the only one on this board?
teedee forgot about you in my last post, I am sorry. Glad to hear you are getting along day by day.
Stardrops good luck at your appt, I am sure there is something they can do for you. If not there, you will find someone who can.
Footle if you are interested in seeing the sweater I am making, it is at www.buggsbooks.com/buffalo.html it is Cowichan 14 long coat with hood #3345 I am making it in black and grey. The one I knitted my hubby is White Buffalo 6104 cardigan #707. I made his out of sheeps wool in a two tone brown and oatmeal colours. What kind of things do you like to knit, you mentioned socks, which I think are a challenge, especially the heels. Do you have a pattern you like for the socks? Well I am spent already sitting at the computer, so I am off to lie slouch in bed and finish my sweater, very close to done.
Thanks again ladies for being so awesome, a big highlight of my day is to read all your posts and express myself when I need to. I must admit I am disappointed when I find that no one has posted as I check periodically throughout the day. I know because you are all sleeping when I am up in the evening and you are all posting when I am sleeping, so it is a bit awkward in that respect, but never the less it has been great!
teedee i'm in West Sussex.
Sorry to hear about the tooth problems ladies. That's all you need on top of everything else.
stardrops good luck tomorrow.
flowers i'm loving the sound of your trolley, what a good idea!
missing good luck with the job hunting. You know what they say, when a door closes, a window opens (or something like that)
rect your knitting sounds amazing. I would love to be able to knit but never quite got the hang of it unfortunately. I am left handed and got in a muddle when people showed me what to do.
I've got one more day on the anti-biotics and they seem to have done the job. The doctor confirmed it was an anaerobic infection and that I was on the right meds so I'm pleased with that. Looking forward to a glass of wine this weekend to celebrate!
Meg glad your infection is clearing and yes have a wonderful glass of wine. I love wine and I had half a glass last night, you'll enjoy it. You're right about the left handed thing, one of my daughters is left handed and wanted to learn how to knit, but it was very difficult to teach her. I tried to do it left handed myself thinking that would be the way to teach her, but I see why doing it right handed when your left handed is hard now. My hubby taught me most of what I know about knitting, he knits, I don't know if he wants too many to know that being a man and all, but I think it is fabulous. He is such a masculine type and that's why it is kind of funny that he knits. Well I will read all your wonderful thoughts again tomorrow.
There are plenty of male knitters who blog and design. Sounds like he doesn't want to know though ! Those Cowichan sweaters are wonderful things. I haven't made any yet but have a great book about them. I have 6 grandchildren aged 1 month to nearly 9 years so most of my knitting is small these days, but I like knitting socks and can turn heels no problem. I also spin some of the yarn I use, which I definitely can't do at the moment .
I have had quite a few laughs today, my spirits see a little higher (despite my STILL mising period! Day 34!)
Actually wanted to ask all post-ops if YOU had any delay to your first post-op period? I had mine mid cycle and wondering if for some reason my body decided it would be best not to ovulate?!?!
I have a stinking cold - Missing you said sneezing was not allowed....I counted, yes counted (due to the pain) seven sneezes in the first two weeks....well, I have been sneezing every hour for the last two days!!!
Flowers - I nearly wet myself (no cystocle here) reading about your trolley. HOW FUNNY ARE YOU?!?! God bless you and your shopping aid! x
I have been thinking about my 'fast' recovery and I think a lot of it is due to me not having any external stitches. I haven't had any pain sitting down and so I can see that those of you who have had perineal stitches would have much more trouble getting about!
I have a day planned shopping tomorrow! We'll have to see how that goes! I feel up to it but have warned that I may have to be left in coffee shops if it gets too much and we have planned a nice long ladies lunch in the middle!!!
Rect I have been making a little bit of jewellery and today made myself a necklace and earring set to wear to a wedding on Saturday (another little adventure for me to cope with!) so I have been pootling! This week the children are off school and it is quite a hectic week so I am looking forward to next Tuesday when hubbie and boys are both back to normal and I will have the house to myself to get back to normal 'work' (sitting in my office, surrounded by beautiful sparkly things, playing!!!).
I will let you all know how a day shopping tomorrow goes!!
Keep smiling beautiful ladies - it could be worse - I think I have put 7 pounds in since my op! Damn this sofa!!!
P.S. - I think we need a field trip to Canada!!!! I think some R&R there would be just the thing.......!!!!!
Yes everyone come to Canada for some R&R. You can all stay at my house.
Jewel be careful tomorrow when shopping. I think you will be okay for a stint, then you will suddenly feel the need to sit down. That is how I have been these past couple of days. So be sure not to overdo it! When you go to the wedding, I can imagine it will be quite exhausting, at least that is how I think I would feel at this point. Glad you are making some jewelery for yourself, it must be handy to just need a few items and get creative and "viola" there they are, you're awesome!
Footle Wow 6 grandchildren, you can keep yourself in knitting projects for quite some time. About turning the heel, whenever I try to do that, I tend to get holes on the angle for some reason, I must be doing something wrong, but really don't know what it is, it is like I am missing a stitch and you eventually see little misses all the way up the angle.
In regards to weight gain, I have com-batted it by drinking my fiber drinks before each meal and that helps me to get full and gives me great fiber intake as well. I lost 5-10 pounds so far. Depends what time of day I weigh myself, so I hope to keep it up. My clothes are a bit looser and friends have noticed I am slimmer. Try the fiber thing until you can get more active.
Gotta go, supper time.
Take care all!
well teedee how was your asda shop? - mine arrived, i never managed to entice the chap to stay and do a few jobs but he kindly brought everything in for me. It was my first experience with a shop online, great for the heavy items but not sure I would do the fresh on a regular basis -
I cannot knit so pretty envious of Footle and Rect, just think how many balls you could get in your trolly Flowers, we should all get one now or better still they should be issued when leaving hospital!
OK today I am aching so much, I am limping with pain in both hips - perhaps too much sitting at the desk and not enough lying down....or was it the sneezing? my legs have had the shooting pains since the op which I dose up with painkillers and trust will disperse over time, however now I have thrush and need to know what you ladies find the best for treating it? Ive not had it for years and think all the showering is not helping, disturbing the natural bateria balance. Just out of interest what instructions have we all had for bathing/showering? I was told to have as many showers as I like but certainly no baths for at least two weeks post op. I ache so much I would love to lay back and soak for an hour, but I have coped.
Watch out for the wine if taking anti biotics! - I made that mistake recently
Thinking of you all, and hugs to those that feel sore and low xx
Jewel, I find sitting down doesn't do it for me. I can be out for a couple of hours but then I need to lie down. I did find that I have some external stitches, maybe only one , can't see properly but can feel , so maybe that's slowing me down.
So many new posts on here, will write more later on, just taking my lunch up to bed. Want to put the heating on, it's cold in these hills.
blue I am counting down until I can have some wine (Friday night) which will be 48 hours after my last tablet. With regards to bathing and showering I was told it was ok straight away which is what I have been doing. However I have had a infection so who knows??
jewellery My last period was end of April so mine is also missing. I am pretty sure I have not had it although I did have bleeding up until recently so it could have maybe sneaked in there. I don't think so though!
Hi All, just got up this morning and I feel exhausted, I can't believe how tired I am and I feel aching down there. I have a couple of areas that are very tender. If I am sitting on the toilet weeing, afterwards whenI have to wipe, if I lean to the side at all on the seat, it sends pains down teh groin and bum. It also happens if I try to use my leg in anyway. I am frustrated with the odd pull and pinch here and there and shooting pains and exhaustion, but I really have no choice in the matter, I just wish I understood what was happenig and I would feel better, I also discovered a stitch of mine broke and came out. It did not dissolve, so I hope the area stays together, it was the final stitch on my perineum. I am back at falling asleep in the middle of things. I am trying to post this, but have fallen asleep three times all ready, only for a minute at a time, but it's weird. When knitting last night I kwpt falling asleep and waking up, I finally just had to sleep.
Blue the doctor told me showering is fine, but no bathing for at least 2 weeks. I love baths and especially when I'm feeling like this, just soak away the aches and pains.
Well I'm tired I will post later.
Ok. SO I had a lovely day shopping but 5 hours was too much! I'm not in pain but I can feel that inside my 'woohoo' is swollen! It's feels like I have packing in there!!! -
I am going to go and have a soak in the bath (first one sice op) and put my PJs on!
I have cheated and bought ready made pasta for dinner so at least hubbie can bung it in the overn when he gets back!
SO shopping was ok overall but now I have freaked myself out a little bit knowing that I can swell up like this!! LOL
Off to relax
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blue my shopping isn't due until tomorrow, but I have ordered in the past and haven't had a problem.
Re baths, my consultant told me I could have baths of 5 mins or less, otherwise showers. Guessing this is so the stitches don't dissolve too quickly?
All you 'crafty' ladies - I'm so impressed. I would love to be good at knitting or make my own jewellery, sadly not my forte..
I have a question for anyone who had the anterior and posterior repair together. My consultant told me to very gently insert two fingers in my 'woohoo' (thanks jewel) to make sure there's no adhesions, every two weeks. This is scary! Anyone else had both repairs and had to do this??
Hoping everyone's teeth, barbed wire, swellings and general knackeredness are feeling better this evening, maybe aided by wine for the non antibiotics crew!
Jewelglad you got out shopping, but you must be so uncomfortable. I would be freaked out too. I get the swelling too, but it is mostly noticable in the frontal area down there, where I wee. Rest up for a couple days, the good news is you have found new limits at this point. I'm jealous about the bath, I am really hoping to be able to get the okay for that on Friday.
I think I am bound to bed for most of the day. I was up and about quite a bit yesterday, but had intermittant rests. The big trip was to town to deliver pictures to clients and then got home and toured the garden, that was a total of 3 hours and I guess that is still too much for me, hard to believe a person can get knocked down so much from this surgery. I guess I can try knitting in between naps. I also think I really have an infection, yuck. I have a slightly offish smelling discharge and it has changed colour from cream to yellowy green. see dr Friday.
Have good days ladies and rest up lots!
teedee I had both anterior and posterior done. The dr did not mention anything of the sort to me. I think he was wanting me to leave all alone down there to not cause infection. Touching the woohoo with hands that may have bacteria on them could open make you susceptable to infection. Now that you mention this, I do wonder if it is possible for the top to heal to the bottom????? I will ask my dr questions when I see him on Friday.
Rect I should say he was extremely clear that my hands should be tscrupulously clean first! And that yes to stop adhesions. I do trust him as he is well known in this field, I'm just scared (of what I might feel?) and hadn't heard of anyone being told this before. I guess though that we've all had different advice depending on the opinion of each caregiver. Would be interested to hear what your doc says
Teedee I had both ops and that was not told to me.. I am four weeks post op this week and notice the swelling inside has gone down a bit now. I sometimes have a poke around when in the bath and noticed it today
I am doing ok but oh so tired, did 2 apps today and saw a potential client re some editing work for an hour this afternoon, have that to do now by end of week but energy for today is all gone. Lay on sofa last night after posting on here, closed eyes and next thing I knew it was 10pm!!
Oh well, hope everyone is comfortable, sofa is calling me.. xoxo
Flowers thanks for your input. I'm glad to hear you are able to have 'a poke around' I think I'm a bit terrified it will all heal up with no 'room' any more!!
Guess I will have to bite the bullet and see....
Lovely bath and dyed my hair while I was at it. Feel ok, swelling a lot better (felt like a tampon was in but too low down - sorry TMI.) A little achey now but all good really!
STILL no period and I'm starting to think I may not get one! Going to google it on a mo! Thd good thing is that my pmt has eased off a little!!!
Teedee I only had a posterior repair and can't see any stitches from the outside. A couple of times I have tried to feel inside but to be honest it all seems quite snug in there and when I finally touched a stitch the thought made me feel a bit sick so now I'm leaving it alone in there!!!
Woohoo everyone ! No I mean whahae...
Rect ( I wish we had a prettier name to call you by , especially as you are now unwrecked ) if your socks work fine with little holes and you like the effect, it's not a mistake but a design feature. If you want to get rid of the holes , knit into the BACK of those stitches next time, and even twist them as you knit into them if they don't behave. There is no knitting inspector. Buffalo wool - they don't mean qiviut ? They would be very expensive sweaters indeed ! Have you looked at Ravelry ? You need to register -free- and if you search you will find loads of free patterns, groups who meet , all sorts of interesting things.
This tooth thing - I'm having toothache as well but I'm in denial about it which is why I haven't mentioned it till now. It's a crown which came off and was stuck back on just before my op, but now it doesn't feel right despite the root canal work that was done there years ago. I wonder if at least some of these problems have been caused by the anaesthetic equipment bashing our teeth ?
I don't feel ready to put anything inside me yet - not that I'm likely to have adhesions from just the rectocele repair. The thought makes me cringe. Who was asking about the doughnut cushion ? I love it and take it everywhere ; it really helps.
Rect, I just did a search for Cowichan on Ravelry - there are two groups of people knitting them around your area. Some amazing pictures !
Well Footle you're right I am unwrecked now, I actually thought of that just before the op and wondered if I should change my nickname, but you can call me Dawn my given name. I am going to check out Ravelry and see what they have, thanks for the heal turning tip.
I am feeling better now after some rest and just had a tour out to the garden and teh greenhouse. All is growing nicely, but I find it hard to control my urge to start digging dirt with the spade and transplanting. That is too heavy of work right now, so I must avoid! I tried pulling a big weed and it wouldn't comeout of the dry ground and that was even too straining for the area. I will stick to knitting for now, as I love it and it is safe.
Have a good night!
Footle I forgot to mention before as it slipped my mind, so cool that you spun your own wool. My husband would like to do that. Is it messy? I checked out Ravelry and there is a lot of cool things on there. I think I will share some of mine also. Something else I tried that was neat is felting. It is pricey as well because you have to use so much wool. So far I made two handbags, you make them exrta extra large and then shrink them down and tehy become felted and you don't see the knit look anymore. Well thansk for sharing your knowledge, talk tomorrow.
Dawn, sorry not to share my name as well but I know if I do, I shall stop feeling easy about sharing my Too Much Information on this site ! I will PM you . Spinning from the fleece is messy but I usually spin tops, which are nice clean ready-combed things.There are two kinds of felting ..
Oops must go, more later.
Morning Ladies, well I went and I dont know what I was expecting but the Dr's ( I saw 2) were both really nice. They even had a ready supply of tissues to hand when I got a bit tearfull. Not a translator in sight which after my experience's last time was bliss!!
The out look is still a little unclear, they say I have a cystocele - not what i was expecting - the top of the vagina is prolapsing a little too and I'm to see a bowel surgeon as she couldn't really see a rectocele although everything i described was consistent with having one. They also talking about doing a TVT and I've to see someone at the urinary clinic to get some pelvic floor exercises. Then in 3 months I'm to go back and we'll take it from there.
I cant believe they couldn't see the problem I have with my bowel, that was the main reason for going, the thing that causes most discomfort and stress but at least it wasn't dismissed and they are taking it further. I think I was expecting them to say "you have A B C and we can do X Y Z and the problem will be solved" if only life was that easy!
Its lovely to think of you all out there knowing how I feel, Flowers with her trolley, Dawn & Footle knitting, Blue & Teedee with their Asda shopping & Jewels busy with her sparkly bits Have a lovely restfull day & thanks for letting me ramble on. xXx
Stardrops well it must be a relief to you at the very least that you have something started on the road to fixing some issues. In regards to the rectocele, was one of the doctors a gynecologist that you saw? I went to pelvic floor rehab because of my urine leakage all the time, but they couldn't help me because my kegel muscles were really strong already, so that is when I was referred to the gynecologist. I know that I saw two other GPs with my troubles and described them and they did not know what I had, in fact I ended up having a colonoscopy and I was diagnosed with IBS. An emergency room dr told me I was just constipated and needed to get my bowels moving. I had an ultra sound done on my female parts and the technician told me she couldn't see anything because my bowel was full down at the bottom and getting in the way. You would think after all that, they might catch on to some kind of a problem. Finally after 3 years of this I got a referral to a gynecologist and he knew what the problem was right away. You may want to suggest asking for a defacatography test to determine what happens to your stools as they are passing. That should clear up what is going on. Best of luck with all of this, but don't give up till you get an answer.
Stardrops I am really proud of you - the main thing is you are now in the system I do hope you will get to see as Rect has said the gynaecologist. I did get sent around the houses at first, had colonoscopy, and the dreaded xray where they squirt a liquid up your BP and xray you as it is expelled but really sounds worse than it is and you was treated with the up most kindness and dignity. I was shown the xray actually once dressed and you could see the rectocele. It was only then I was referred to a gynaecologist, and seen pretty fast. Of course I am assuming you are in the UK - go and treat yourself now you have been good.
Rect sorry we have nearly done a double act with Stardrops, but yours is far better....... I took so long finishing, having to muti task at the same time didn't think to check for any more replies. Still getting to know the site myself.
Dare I admit I have sat at home all day, I am not at work! - they can cope until tomorrow. Just so tired, but have been doing work via the laptop so don't feel as guilty. If only I had some chocolate -
Blue so glad you are at home and resting. I know it is difficult feeling like you are lazy, when you are really not allowed to be doing certain things. Working from your laptop is good, I did that a bit yesterday and that helped me feel useful. Chocolate, MMMmmmmmm. I broke down the other day when in town with my husband and bought myself a chocolate bar. I can't keep chocolate here or I will eat it.
I am feeling pretty good today, just tired, but pain wise pretty good. Even though I feel good, I am still going to rest and not overdo it.
Have a great day everyone!
stardrops well done for getting yourself through that. I hope now you're in the system you'll get sorted very soon!
Blue very happy to hear you are home today
My Asda shopping has been delivered, all present and correct.
A funny for all of you: The other night when I was in terrible discomfort with my barbed wire I asked OH if we had any frozen peas. After going to have a look OH came back with "yes, how many do you need?" LOL!!
Hope you told him 53, each individually wrapped.
By the way has anyone seen my last remaining brain cell ? I can't remember how to post a private message , nor can I find Help to remind me.
Had not a very good day after feeling my perineum and it seems to be all rigid in a weird way. Is that just the swelling ? There's still a bit of fresh blood most days - why ? 3 weeks in I thought I'd feel more normal. But BMs are great, as long as I take my Movicol - usually one dose a day does it , plus all the greenery and flaxseed I eat. So i'm not sorry I had it done, just wish I was healing faster. I don't want to go to the GP because I don't think she'll know what's going on any better than I do.
Oh , I regained the use of my brain cell and did send a private message.
I'm getting my stress head on!!
I can't stop coughin because of this cold and it's really worrying me what damage I could be doing!
I had to drive for three 1/2 hours today when my quick trip to collect the boys turned into a cross country adventure due to a big accident on the motorway. And I am now quite swollen again inside but a sit on the sofa doesnt seem to have done the trick like it did last night!
I'm not sure therefore if it is the driving or the coughing that has caused the problem!! Has anyone had any info from their doctor on coughing? I know it can be a causing factor in the first place! I'm getting myself in a tiz but I know I cant do anything about the cough!!! But everytime I cough I can feel somthing bulge inside my woohoo. It's terrifying!
I plan to do nothing tomorrow and have a sofa day because it is in my mind that I have the wedding on Saturday and so want to rest up as much as I can!
I know there is really nothing you can say to me!!! I honestly dont think I have overdone it through stupidity, yesterday's shopping was a test but today the driving was unexpected!!! I am hoping that I will wake tomorrow a little less 'full' feeling and a little less panicy. It will really suck to bugger it all up after three weeks due to having caught a blinking cold.
Sorry to go on! Hubbie just says - it'll be fine. Know he's trying to help but it doesn't. He says you haven't been cough much till tonight - Er hello - you've been at work all day - how do you know!! Anyway, i'm off to bed. Up at 6am tomorrow to begin my morning watching Rocks and Co Sky666, a jewellery show my brother works on. It is their 1000 show and they are having a big celebratory show and I may do little sofa shopping to cheer myself up!!
Big hugs all round xxx
P.S. - Sorry if this has been a selfish post....Stardrops, I am so happy for you to be on the first rung of the ladder and agree that if you havent already, you need a gyne consult......Footle....I found your brain cell but wore mine out in the process!!!!....Blue....please take it easy when you can, sometimes as you can see above stuff comes along that you cant avoid so make the most of the times there is nothing!!!......Teedee....at least he didn't ask you if you wanted ketchup!.....
Sorry about last night and going on!
Well, I'm up, positioned on the sofa, credit card in hand!!! LOL
I have my period!! Day 37! Sure you'll all be happy for me! - Another reason to stay on the sofa today me thinks!
Swelling had gone down a lot but not completely so I am hoping that a day of laziness today will help!
It really opens your eyes when you over do it and suffer afterwards and I will reissue a freidnly warning to ALL of you who are recent op goers or who are waiting for ops - A week after you op, just because you feel fine and because you are getting bored DOES NOT MEAN that everything is back to normal. Don't be like me and have a scare to make you take it easy!
Also, it is dufficult to go back; once you start cooking dinner, people then think hat you can do it every day! Do a bit of ironing and then that job no longer gets done for you. You can't blame the family! They can stop you lifting heavy things because it's obvious to them that you shouldn't be doing it, but they don't know how you are feeling, they don't know what is going on inseide you so if you start doing things they can be forgiven for thinking that you are therefore capable of doing it!
Take it slow from the beginning! It is also easy to lull yourself into thinking that you are better when you are spending so much time on the sofa and pottering around but you musnt just suddenly go from sofa days one day back to normal the next! It has to be gradual!!!
It is very hard. You often feel like a fraud. What I wouldn't give to have some plaster on my leg or something! People would give you sympathy and understand, but you can't go around telling all and sundry that you have a woohoo full of stitches!!! I suffer badly from guilt! Last night, the extended family all had dinner together and soon after I went to lie on the sofa to try and get my swelling to go down but I felt so guilty! I also felt that they would all be thinking I was being lazy and it's been three weeks and I went shopping yesterday and I can do things when it suits me etc etc (especially my moody sister-in-law) but I guess my designer vagina is more important than what people think of me!
I would say that making yourself take it easy is the most difficult part of the whole process!
Jeez, I've gone abit for 6 in the morning!
Sorry, just feel that last night gave me a real scare and I wanted to emphasise to you all how importnat it is not to accidentally over do it! You can avoid the vacuuming or lifting heavy bags but other things aren't as easy. And empasise it I have, in several hundred words!!
Sorry and love to all
(P.S. - sofa day will probably equal more rambling posts later! - Any pre-op ladies like to ask me any questions?!?!?!)
P.P.S I would like to mention that I AM very literate, I just type quickly and am too lazy to check my spelling!!! LOL
jewel your designer vagina is certainly more important than whatever your SIL may think
Hope you are enjoying your sofa day. For me it's two weeks and I haven't even got out of my nightie yet! The thought of having to have anything 'done again' on my poor nether regions is enough to keep me from pushing it. If I never have to see the inside of a hospital again it won't be to soon.
Hope everyone else is taking things easy and if you are in the UK will be enjoying the lovely weather. I may get OH to put the comfy rocking chair in the garden tomorrow so I can enjoy the sun for a bit. Provided my barbed wire is not too problematic of course..
Hugs all round, what a lovely bunch you all are xx
Jewel your advice is a good reminder for me. You also managed to sum up exactly how I have been feeling in regards to what other's must be thinking when I look lazy, especially when I was doing other things involving activity. I go through these feelings daily. I feel obligated because I don't want o be a burden nor do I want to look lazy.
About coughing and recovery. Okay not to scare you , but I was reading before my op that asthmatics recovery time is longer and the success rate is less. I have asthma, though mild, so I don't cough too much, but that is why I read about it. I have a suggestion for you to try while coughing. I lie down on the bed and bend my knees, then pull my bent legs up, so I am lying on my back in a crouched position. Grab your legs with your arms and hold them over your chest and stomach. Much like a fetal position on your back. Cough in this position and it provides some relief to the pressure on the area in need. Seriously it really helps. I think working against gravity at any time is a good thing. Sometimes it helps to press your hand up against the perineum while coughing and it stops that feeling of something blowing out. Hope this helps you. Have you taken any cough medicine with dextromathofan DM in it? Another good cough remedy is codeine. In Canada there are cough suppresents you can buy that have DM, codeine and expectorant in them. I know the codeine is constipating, but just take stool softeners and bowel stimulants and drink lots of water and eat lots of fiber and you won't feel the constipating effects. Trust me, I had to take a few T3s this past week for my migraines and I am not constipated, just stuck to my bowel regemin. Been having a BM everyday and they're soft. I hope some of this helps you out, but your sofa day sounds like a good remedy.
I better try to sleep now itis past 2 am .
Have a great day to everyone.
Jewel, so sorry to hear you are feeling grotty and coughing, that is rotten for you. I also think your advice is spot on, it exactly sums up the way I feel daily too re guilt and the frustration of wanting to do more etc. I too hope your day of rest today will help and Rect's advice about what to take sounds excellent
I woke up at 6am today with shooting pains up the vajazzle, they are pretty frequent and disturbing and quite strong.. Only finished my anti b's on weds so the obvious worry is that the infection is back, tho there doesnt seem to be any smell like before... its friday and getting in the docs might be tricky, or I could go and cash the part of my prescription the chemist didn't have which was the anti b gel you squirt in... Meg if you are around, how you doing with your infection?? arrrggghhhh what to do???
Oh gosh its hard to stay positive isn't it ladies when you soooo want to be better??
Teedee - sitting out in the sun will do you a power of good and I may do the same if we get any.. sounds like you are being really good, well done!
Footle sorry your barbed wire and sore perineum is still troubling you, tbh the only thing I have noticed any different since my op is my BM's are more straightforward and I didn't even know I had a rectocele!
have a lovely friday ladies of TAKING IT EASY xxx
Hi everyone , including Dawn/ Rect when you wake up. The sun finally got to Cumbria yesterday afternoon and it's still here. Em / Jewel, I think it's really important to actually lie flat when you can. I find sitting is OK for a while ,but I start feeling sort of congested and pressured before long, and then it all gets hot and sore. Glad you got your period - hopefully you will feel easier in time for the wedding. Who's getting married ? Does your bro make jewellery too ? My brothers are glass-blowers.
We just have to take the time and rest that we need.. we know what we're doing, and we're not exaggerating about the slow progress. Maybe we should all be in our nighties for six weeks .. No, I have to get up and dressed and have a walk. Last night I did a bit of cooking and found that I was lifting things that were too heavy and standing around more than I should ( OH was up Great Gable till all hours with his cronies and their ropes and harnesses , it's OK he's only 68 ) . Anyway it's true that if you start doing things you end up doing too much very quickly. I'm wondering if wearing pads all the time is irritating me : they seem to have some sort of chemicals in them. Anyone else feel this could be a problem ? I know being post-menopause makes all these tissues more fragile so maybe not a problem for you young women.
Hey everyone - thanks for the kind words and advice
Was hoping to swan in and tell you all I felt much better......afraid not....
OH MY GOODNESS THE PAIN!!!! - The whole of my pelvic area, inside, is agony!!! LOL - Actually it has eased a little in the last 10 minutes hence me being able to type!!!
I promise promise I'm not a drama queen - it really bloody hurts (pardon my french!)
I will try and explain ---- Some months, mid cycle (when I guess I am ovulating) I get a sharp pain in my side for a coupld of hours which always gives mixed signals that it is ovary/womb pain or maybe bowel pain! It always feels like it's coming from my womb/ovaries but its almost as if its linked to bowel movements, i.e. I feel like it would improve if I passed wind etc and it hurts in my bottom when I sit down.
Anyway. my self-diagnosis is that when I ovulate (or as in today, start my period) certain internal bits swell up and then anything that chugs past in my bowel puts pressure on said organs and therefore hurts...does this sound like a possibility??!?!?!
Today it honestly feels like everything from my tummy button down is swollen, I can even feel it bouncing when I walk as if it's harder than it should be! So, I'm not really worried, as the pain is a little familiar but has NEVER been this bad! I guess when you have your period blood rushes to your womb to help it contract and perhaps the extra blood causes pain?!?
I found walking helped a little (again this makes me wonder about bowels as the movement may help things move aong out of the way!!).
I am so so sorry that the last couple of days I have become a constant moaner! My hubbie is at work today and tbh I could do with him home for a hug! SO I'm afraid poor ladies it is you who has to nod politely and adopt the soothing voice!
I'll say again, I'm not concerned it is anything untoward, just was not expecting such pain!!!
Anyway, please don't feel the need to send me knid words, I'm slowly getting over it and pulling myself together as it eases (have taken diclofenic), but If anyone has any comments on their first post-op periods I'd appreciate it or have any of you ever had the ovulation pain I mentioned?!
Footle - I hate using pads, they drive me insane, you get hot, sore.......very uncomfortable. I find that Bodyform is a little better than Always as it doen't have the 'cotton' cover which when you look closely it is actually a finely woven rubbery stuff - completely what you don't want!! Bodyform is a little more like material and not quite as heat attracting! Take it easy and stop with the heavy pots and pans!! The wedding is my OH's cousin. I'm not crazy about going, mostly because I will only know about 10 people and I think the day may drag!!! As long as I feel a lot better I will dose myself up and at least go for the ceremony and the meal! LOL
Flowers - sorry not much info on infections but cant see how the gel would hurt?!?! Keep your eye on it x x
Rect - thanks for the advice on the cough medicine. I am normally gainst cough medicine as I believe your body is coughing for a reason and so to supress it is no good, however in this case it may be a good idea!!!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxI'm OK really!!!- I hate moaning!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks JewelEm, if I can't get organic pads I'll get Bodyform next time - these Always are evil. Sorry about the horrible period - it's bound to be worse the first time after the op , it's made me remember very forcibly what menstruating was like because it's felt a lot like it ! Are you usually better the second day or not till the third ? And you're not moaning any more than the rest of us.
Jewel hope you feel better soon, sorry you're having a rough day.
Footle Ive found the most expensive 'brand name' pads are the worst at irritating me. The 'cheapie' ones seem to have a far higher cotton content without that awful plasticy mesh stuff on top. Ugh.
Jewel first thing, BIG HUGS for you. Hang in there. I know the pain you speak of during period and ovulation. I have it too. My lower abdomin aches and feels like it is falling out. I find my bowels hurt especially in the lower right side. Having a BM feels painful at times. The pain lasts 2 days around both ovulation and period. Regarding cough meds. If you buy the cough remedy that has both DM and expectorant then you will help your body get rid of it. The DM suppresses the cough and the (gueffisen)(sp?)which is the expectorant will help losen up the mucous in your lungs and it will be easier to cough up. You will not have as much coughing, but when you do, you will find it easier to get it out. The less mucous, the less coughing fits you have. My husband doesn't like to take anything for a cold either, but his coughing is so bad that I just want to scream at him and I finally convinced him to take this kind of meds and it really helps.
Flowers you are doing so well under the circumstances of your personal life. You're an inspiration. Keep in mind when recovering that everyone heals at a different rate. Like a woman giving birth, we are all different. Unfortunately, drs give timelines on recoveries and that is just a guide so not to hurt yourself etc. In reality, healing goes on long past any timeline. I know the disappointment and fristration I have felt and I am only 2 weeks post op, but I made a promise to myself to stop my own discouragement, oterwise I will be constantly disappointed. you are so positive it amazes me, but stay that way!!
Footle pads are nasty! I have been pad dependant for 2 years now and had several rashes, either heat rash or diaper rash so to speak. I do not use Always as the rubber like lingin is awful. I use Kotex, don't know if you have them there. They are the same kind of material as a disposable diaper. I find they worked the best for me. I got prescription ointment from the dr a couple of years back, that I use when the rash acts up though as it starts to bleed and the skin peels away.
Well good lluck with everything ladies. I am relaxing most of the day and tehn going to the dr. I have many questions for him and may come back with a wealth of information. talk to you all later.
Hello all,I have been following all your progress and it seems a bumpy road that's for sure!
I went to the uro-gyne dept in kings college hospital last week and was seen by a nice junior doc then,when I requested it,after uro-dynamics was seen by Linda Cardozo(this is who I had been refered to)
It was a horrible day because while in waiting room we found out my fil has a brain tumour.I really couldn't concentrate very well but ms Cardozo very bluntly told me that not only do I need a posterior and anterior repair,but also a vaginal hysterectomy which I was not prepared for.I asked why and she said I would be back needing one in 5-10 years and would cause the other repairs to possibly fail too.I'm 38 and have 4 kids so don't want any more.
I should have asked if she expects my abdominal adhesions found when doing last c-section to cause any problems but I wasn't thinking straight and she didn't give me chance.
Told nice gp and she's going to see if all is explained in letter when it arrives .
They said it'll be less than 3 months till op ,just hope that fil's treatment doesn't co-inside or to be fair to dh I may have to wait.
Did any of you have a hysterectomy at the same time as the other repairs?
Mine are quite bad I suppose( apart from uterus prolapse which is only mild) but I know I can't be the only one in this state!
Are any of you on vagifem btw,for that paper thin skin/sitting on broken glass feeling?It's local oestrogen and it really helps me.
take care all of you.
Welcome 14k to this board
So sorry to hear about your FIL, no wonder you couldn't concentrate very well at your consultation.
I didn't have a hysto with my repairs, although I did agree beforehand that if surgeon thought it needed doing while he was 'in there' that it could be done.
Hopefully you'll get some more info when your GP gets the letter.
You are quite right that this whole thing is a bumpy road, but hopefully we will all have great results in the end.
In the mean time take care and will be looking out for your progress x
Welcome *14K8 terrible news about yoru FIL. Keep us posted about what's happening with you.
Well ladies, I am no tthe wealth of information that I hoped to be. My husband took the afternoon off work to drive me 45 mins. to this appt. as we don't live in the city. When we get there we wait 15 mins. and then are told that the dr is at the hospital and having to do an emergency in the OR and would not be returning back to the clinic. What a bummer I was hoping to find out about this discharge I am having which is getting worse BTW and is starting to smell off. I was told to take an oral dose of yeast meds and then if it is not gone by Monday then it must be another type of infection and he will swab me then. I have been fitted in for Monday as he needs to see me right away. I didn't want to be fitted in as I will end up waiting for over an hour and then he might not have time to answer my questions. So my husband and i went shopping and tehn had a dinner date and now I am so worn out. Must relax now and get some sleep. Talok to you all in the morning.
Hello 14k, nice to meet you , and sorry to hear about what must have been a horrible day. Mobiles are ( not always ) so amazing - how overwhelming to be hit with that news in that situation. I've heard of Linda Cardozo - sounds as if her bedside manner isn't that great ? Still, that's not what you want her for.
Yes there are people here who've had hyst+ant+post repairs , you aren't alone ! Have a good read through this whole thread ( if you can stand it ) and also the previous thread , another 1000 messages on the same inspiring topic. Of course the timing will be a family decision but your own health comes pretty high up the list when you're coping with a big family crisis.
It's good to have all these comments about pads as it's 7 years since I finished having periods and I didn't use pads much anyway. I've even been wondering about tearing up old sheets ... at the moment I'm just wearing my usual cotton knickers and changing them and my trousers as often as necessary , because of the fire in my fanny. I use Surcare washing powder which is supposed to be gentle. And we have a bidet sort of thing so I can wash easily. 14k, thanks for mentioning Vagifem - I just asked a friend about it and she finds it helpful , so I'll go and ask the Dr.
Dawn , sorry your doctor couldn't see you after your journey and all . Is it the Dr who did the surgery ? I would really like to talk to my surgeon at this stage but I won't get to see him again, no follow-up here. I wish he was going to look at his handiwork in a couple of weeks' time and say Yes, that's just how it should look . It would be reassuring. You'll tell us what yours says on Monday won't you ?
Jewel, you better today ? Hope you get to the wedding and it's fun.
Thank you for the replys,
Linda Cardozo isn't the kindest or most approachable doctor I've ever met but it's her surgical expertise I'm interested in!
Can't believe I've already recieved another appointment at king's for an ultrasound(i think) on wednesday,that's quick!
Just hope it doesn't co-inside with fil results appointment or will prob have to cancel.
Will look back in thread to see how others got on with what I've come to call"a job lot op"!I'll have to have a think and see if there is anything else they can do while they are in there!
You are all doing such a good job supporting each other,good for you
Footle My doctor is also the surgeon. He has surgery days Thursdays and Fridays, that is why he books his post op appointments on Thursdays and Fridays 2 weeks later. This why he was called back to hospital for an emergency and ended up in the OR. I guess the good thing is he is there if you need him and if I was in the position that the person needing him was in, I would certainly appreciate it. I was just disappointed is all. His regular clinic days are Mon, Tues, Wed. and those appointments are often quite booked up, so to get fitted in is just going to make it a very long day for me. My husband wanted to be there with me to hear how things are and ask some questions, but he might not be able to take Monday off. I still don't know if I am supposed to drive or not. I think I am perfectly fine to drive there on my own. I don't really want to have a friend take me there, I just feel so uncomfortable with that for some reason. I know they won't be coming into see the dr with me, but it just bothers me that I need a babysitter I guess? I will elt you nwo how things go on Monday after appointment.
14K Can I ask you how old you FIL is? How did he find out he had a brain tumour? Must be so scary for everyone right now. I hope you can manage all the stress right now, your life must be a bit frantic. Please take care of yourself and keep in touch with us, talk to us about anything you need to, it really helps me out and I know I appreciate all the ladies here.
Have good weekends everyone.
Happy Sunday Ladies,
I have been following your ups and downs the past few days whilst feeling sorry for myself, it helps a lot and I feel we know each other so well now, isnt it good we can learn from, share and support each other.
Any men that get to read this are the ones that are already good OH's, and clearly are caring enough to want to learn more about what ''their'' partner has been/is going through. Am I right in saying this is far worse than normal childbirth and a C-Section. I remember I had a terrible chest infection following my c-section and could hardly cough but this is far worse. Those of you with colds it must be unbearable with the coughing. The damage/pain I get if I dont get time to prepare for a sneeze just awful.
Those of you that have had/are on antibiotics what sort of symptoms did you experience and what stage were you put on them? I am day 17 and the pain - razor blade, is worse now more than ever along with the swelling inside. xx
Blue , I don't want to make you bluer but only you know how much you overdid things at the beginning. Could you get the GP to refer you to the surgeon for a check-up ? If it's worse now than before, it doesn't sound right does it ? I'm 3 weeks and 4 days and my energy is definitely better and the pain less over the last week, though my spirits are rather low. BTW I'm SO pleased I stopped using pads , they were definitely making things worse even though there's more washing this way. I'm not sure about the comparison with various kinds of childbirth - it's so hard to know about pain levels even in your own past, let alone other people's. But I've certainly seen an overall improvement as the days have gone by. Time to get some answers ?
Blue, I was put on antibiotics right after surgery and then for a week after. Having a TVT puts you at such high risk for infection, so that is the reason they do that. I Think I may have developed an infection now though and will find out tomorrow at the drs. As far as apin goes, at this point, I am feeling pretty good. I am just over two weeks post op and everyday I have less pain, can move better and seem to need pain relief even less. I am quite pleased how things are coming along really, I do get frustrated that I still can't lift things and do the things I used to, but I want this to heal properly, so I deal with it. I think you should ses a dr for a swab and find out about infection or like Footle says, see if you can get in to see the surgeon. Good luck with everything and try taking pain relief on a regular basis for a couple of days and see if that helps. Also take an anti-inflamatory, like ibruprofen to help with swelling. Take it easy and try to keep your spirits up. I like to watch comedies when I feel down, it can help.
Hello All. Just popping in quickly.
Rect Good luck tomorrow
blue I was put on anti-biotics 2 weeks, 3days post op for an infection. My symptoms were bleeding which although wasn't heavy, was not stopping, a smell and a general aching around my pubic bone area. Hope you are ok and go to the doctor to get it checked.
I'm so tired at the moment although feeling better since finishing anti-biotics. Today my abdomen,lower back and front of my thighs hurt so I guess I have over done it. I'm going to walk the children to school for the first time tomorrow (4 weeks post op tomorrow). Its a twenty minute ish walk round trip so will be fine. I am also going to drive for the first time next week as I only now feel strong enough to.
Love to you all xx
hi i didn't realise so many people were going through the same thing. I am due to have an operation later this year, i am 27 and have had 3 children and have 2 stepchildren. I have my consultation with my specialist on the 2nd of august to talk about the op etc. I have got a long intersussception (if anyone knows what that is) a 3.5 inch rectocele, my bladder has collapsed and i have a full vaginal prolapse, i have been told my options, had good and bad news, alot of ups and downs and i haven't even been back to my specialist yet. I am very scared over what i am going through and could do with some advice on how to cope, what to expect etc, thats if you all don't mind. My husband is great support, but he doesn't fully understand what i go through everyday. Could just do with talking to someone who may understand me, thanks jo.
Welcome Jo I am 45 years old, have 6 children and 1 stepson. I had all vaginal births. I am 2 and a bit weeks post op. I had a rectocele (prolapsed bowel), cystocele(prolapsed bladder) and a TVT ( a mesh sling around the urethra to prevent bladder leakage). I am doing very well now, my bowels work again for the first time in almost 7 years. So far no leakage from the bladder, but my dr told me the cystocele repair won't last, maybe 2-3 years tops. It was just too difficult to find tissue to sew it to. He ended up sewing it to the inner cervix and also told me that sex will be a little bit more painful and difficult at first because of this. Not that for any of these repairs sex is not painful because it is at first, this will just take longer. It is important that you take it real easy in the beginning nad work your way up to activity. The dr told me no lifting anythin gover 10 pounds for 6-8 weeks. Of course ther are other things too that you shouldn't do, mostly just resting and healing for 6 weeks. It takes teh stictches up to 8 weeks to dissolve, so no sex either. I was scared to death to have this surgery and in fact waited 2 years trying to decide. Then I cancelled one of the procedures, then changed my mind after finding this forum. I have no regrets having this done, it has been the best thing for me. The actual surgery took 2 hours and then I was back in my room feeling great !!! I had a spinal block with mine instead of general, so awesome. They can give you sedation if you like with it and then it goes by so quickly and you feel so calm and relaxed. I was wide awake during recovery and then back to my room. The pain relief from the spinal block lasted 20 hours, so I was up walking around that night and everything was great. The next morning they removed teh catheter, IV and the packing. When the spinal wore off I took percacet for a day, then went home 2 days after op with tramadol and diclofenic. Pain was tolerabe, I guarantee I have felt worse. Childbirth definitely worse. So that is all i can think of about my experience. A small price to pay to get fixed up after all the suffering I have done for 6-7 years.
Good luck with everything and keep posting questions for us and let us know your fears, it will help you. bye for now.
Jo, you have such a lot going on - I'm a much older woman ( 63 ) recovering from a rectocele repair so I don't have much to say that will help , except that doing nothing is not an option ! If you read through this thread so far you will see who has similar problems , but there are more stories on the previous thread - can someone link to it ?
One thing you can be sure of is that you are going to need serious help with the children and in the house, probably for a good 6 or 8 weeks - but you probably need that at the moment with what's happened to you. I'm surprised you have to wait so long with an intussusception ( I just looked that spelling up, but I know what it is ) as I thought it would be an emergency ? Great that you've got things started anyway , and have a good man. You may feel like showing him this thread as you get more useful answers - and as you get further on with treatment you will be able to help other people too.
Meg, hope you manage the walk tomorrow without getting too tired. I was out on my own today for a couple of hours , walked 5 mins to the station, had 10 minute train ride , did a little bit of shopping - nothing heavy - and then sat in a cafe till the next train. Came home and had to lie down for a couple more hours. But I couldn't have done this a week ago. You sound a lot happier !
thanks Dawn and Meg, I know I pushed myself a lot at the beginning but did avoid the main no nos! I was also doing quite well with little pain relief or discharge. Even though I had the barbed wire I could cope but it has gone backwards now and from what you are saying I do feel I have an infection. Will speak to GP in morning hopefully. Good luck Dawn tomorrow - keep us posted and Meg will think of you on the school walk< I bet the kids will be chuffed things are getting back to normal.
Jobo, welcome, you have a lot to think about at the moment, it is going to be a big ordeal but planning up front will make such a difference. Dont be afraid to ask anything on here - there is such a lot of information and some lovely ladies.
I am glad you have a good husband, it will be tough on him too but it will bring you even closer in the long term I am sure. It is surprising you are not going back until August to the consultant, maybe he/she is off on holiday before..... will you have someone to help with the children?
Jo Footle is absolutely right about your condition being an emergency. I looked up intussuseption and I am wondering a few things as I don't understand why they have not treated you already for it, with either surgery or enema. What were your symtoms and did they lead you to go to the doctor? How did the dr diagnos the intussuseption? It is very rare in adult woman to have one of these as 90% of them occur in infants and more commonly boys. Was all the issues diagnosed at the same time? Do you still have symptoms of the intussuseption? Are they really waiting on it till August or did they say at the moment it has corrected itself and they are just watching it to see if it returns? You do understand what it is they say you have don't you? Aren't you worried it may end up blocking your intestine and then possibly perforating the bowel or becoming necrotic? These are life threatening. I don't think that the intussuseption is anything you have to think about fixing, it has to get fixed immediately!!!!!!!!! So please help me out in understanding why you are being put off until August. Did the dr explain to you what was happening in your intestine? How were you diagnosed? If I were you I would be frantically angry about this, that is why as I write this I am shocked and upset. If I were in your shoes, I would be seeking a second opinion immediately. As far as rectocele and other vaginal prolapses, they are not life threatening, just a royal pain in the arse. I know you were seeking some advice in how to cope and i would love to ease your mind and help in some way, but I really don't know how I would cope with a dr ignoring a life threatening condition. Help yourself and go to another dr or to an emergency department. As far as the other conditions I would certainly go in and have them fixed as soon as possible. I believe that there is more light at the end of the tunnel if you get all fixed up, quality of life will improve. You mentioned that the dr told you that the news was good and bad, would you feel comfortable sharing what that is with us? I hope my rant hasn't scared the hell out of you. Take care my dear. I feel so bad for you.
Jo and anyone else who read my last post or shall I say panic rant. I did some more research and found the following on a website about "rectal intussusception" which is different than an" intestinal intussusception" Apparently all of us who had a rectocele that did not protrude outside of the anus had a rectal intussusception. The following is copied form the website I found:
A prolapse occurs when an organ falls or sinks out of its normal anatomical place. The pelvic organs normally have tissue (muscle, ligaments, etc.) holding them in place. Certain factors, however, may cause those tissues to weaken, leading to prolapse of the organs. The rectum is the last out of six divisions of the large intestine; the anus is the opening from the rectum through which stool exits the body. A complete rectal prolapse occurs when the rectum protrudes through the anus. If rectal prolapse is present, but the rectum does not protrude through the anus, it is called occult rectal prolapse, or rectal intussusception. In females, a rectocele occurs when the rectum protrudes into the posterior (back) wall of the vagina.
Sorry about panicking earlier, but I had never heard of intussusception used for rectocele before. It has always been posterior repair or herniated bowel.
Well now my advice to you would be to get your life organized, start taking care of your body now to prepare for surgery and make sure you have a support in place for helping around the house etc. after your op. I was diagnosed with the same troubles yo have and like I said before, so glad I had the op. I really am the most frightened person I know when it comes to surgery and I got through it and I am older than you. You will probably heal up a lot quicker than some of us. You could suggest to your husband to read about this type of injury and the surgical procedures that are done to fix it, also about recovery times etc. My husband did and was so understanding. There that is more sound of me isn't it.
Bye for now.
Rect-thanks for the concern.Fil is a fit 68,had been having memory problems for a couple of weeks and couple of days of headache and vomiting ,then became confused.When he went to docs they sent him to hospital and he stayed to have ct and mri over next couple of days.Found out it was a brain tumour a week last thursday, then had biopsy last tues.
I hope your appointment has gone well.How are you managing all of this with 7 children/teenagers?
HI, thankyou for all your messages, its great to et others point of view on my problems. I had to go to the royal london hospital to have a series of special tests done, all rather embarrassing, one in particular showed me what happens when i go to the loo, they used a barium fluid, mixed with porridge oats that i had to be filled with then use a special toilet to be x-rayed as i went to the loo, it shows on a very soft stool i can only empty 70% of my bowel, my colon folds over itself and forms a pocket (like a sleave doubling over)which bulges into my vaginal wall as does the rectocele, which then causes a domino effect for my bladder etc.
My youngest is 20 months old,i have a 4,8,11 and 12 year old too (11 and 12) year old not mine, stepchildren.
I did have an appointment on the 19th july but the hospital had to cancel and reschedule.
I have been told that without the surgery in about 10 years i would end up having to have a bag fitted. If the ops (i say ops because i may have to have my work done separatley explain after) dont work i may have to have a hysterectomy or self catheterise for the rest of my life.
I have a blood clotting disorder, i have had so many blood tests i have lost count, the cannot find out why my blood is so thin, i wasn't allowed epidurals in labour, not that it mattered as they were all pretty quick deliveries, so this obv worries me a bit more going in for surgery. The surgeons have said that it would be a lot of work for someone with my condition.
I have been told however by my gynae and physio that i have good pelvic muscle tone,it just cant hold anything up because of my problems. So after my ops with good physio and with age on my side the worst may not happen and all could go back to as normal as possible.
Doesn't stop me being so scared though, i did break down when i got news about hysterectomy,catheter etc, as thats a lot for someone my age to deal with, i try not to get upset as it affects my family, my husband hates to see me cry as do the kids. Am holding it together though. Prob have to see my consultant alone on 2nd of august though as its summer hols and with 5 kids its hard to get babysitter,but i know he will be there when i get home.
At the moment thats all i can remember about what i have been told, i am sure there is more.
I would like to lose a little weight before ops if anyone has some good advice for this, would be great. Am not seriously overweight, just still got some baby tummy etc to lose.
Hi Jo , you sound as if you've got good medical help and are actually coping really well with a mountain of symptoms and info . I hope you have got someone you can cry on , and hope your husband has friends he can at least relax with even if discussing it with them isn't an option. It would be so good if you could take him with you for the appt in August - it must be hard to take in all that they're telling you.
Weight loss ... I lost 3 stone last year and have kept it off so far by going low carb but it's really hard to manage that with family around . And anyway , if you have this blood disorder it's presumably really important to eat well so maybe that's a bigger consideration than losing a bit of baby-tummy ?
Hi Jo, well we have all learnt a lot with the help of Dawn, thanks to her for researching this. It is not fair that you are going through this the only thing you can do is be prepared. If things do worsen whilst you are waiting for your appointment do not be afraid to contact your consultant's secretary, or of course get in touch with your GP and they will hopefully act for you. Do you have a good GP? it is not a condition you openly want to share with anyone yet I do hope you have more family/friends around you that you can confide in other than your husband and will ultimately be able to offer help and support afterwards. Stay here and you will make some good friends, have a good laugh and cry!
Dawn how are you? how did you get on? you come across as so organised and calm - love the sound of your job must be so rewarding. Meg how was the walk to school yesterday and everyone else how are you all feeling?
I am on antibiotics now, still very swollen inside and the barbed wire was awful yesterday was dosing up on painkillers for the shooting pain in my legs - was no nice at all, but has eased today. I never used to crave chocolate but now ugghhh i go in search of it in my daughters bedrooms, - what's that saying '' a little bit of what you fancy does you good'' is it just me?
Hi everyone, I will start with responding to Jo. So when reading all that you are faced with it certainly is scary and upsetting. When I am faced with those kinds of dilemmas. I like to research and empower myself with information. I would think for you, the scary part of the surgery is the blood clotting disorder you have. I can see why they may do them seperately. The good news for you though, these types of surgeries for the average person without a clotting disorder are quite safe, in there is minimal blood loss. I would think that would help a lot in your case The other portion of this, if you don't have the op, then in 10 years you might need to be fitted with a bag. If they don't work you will need a hysterectomy. Okay, well I think that I woulld see it as no choice but to have the surgery, if you didn't want to deal with the bag. It is extrememly likely that your surgery will work, so don't even think about what might or might not happen. Why is having a hysterectomy such an awful thing for you? I mean I know so many woman who want nothing more than to have a hysterectomy. I don't understand why they told you this??? I am trying to understand what having this surgery fail and having a hysterectomy have to do with each other. Is your uterus still in ot's place, like has it started to prolapse yet? Try doing some research about this and not from froums where people are expressing their horrible experiences with these kinds of things. i found so many of those before finding this thread. Good luck!
Blue Thanks for the compliments, I am not always so calm, I was freaking out before deciding to have the surgery, but once I make a decision, I feel calmer and stick with it. Yes I am organized (OCD) Lol... I do enjoy my photography work most of the time, I get the odd client that is never pleased with anything and I usually just give them their money back and they are still not happy. Oh well. That only happens maybe once a year. How are you feeling these days after some rest? Hope your spirits are up, that is a big part of recovery. About your chocolate cravings, well I get them too and Julia Child once said, "everything in moderation, including moderation"
I went to the dr yesterday and things are looking really good. He had to check it out with a speculum. I was very concerned about that, but it wasn't too bad. Hurt a bit, he was lookign to see that the stitches were healing up and to make sure that the anterior wall was not adhereing to the posterior wall. He said that does happen sometimes. I can't remember who it was that posted the question about putting your finger in the vagina to prevent it from healing top to bottom was right. My dr has now recommended that I start stretching the vagina as it is really tight. He explained this to my husband. He said you could buy a set of stretchers that gradually increase in size to get back to normal. He also said that an alternative to this as it is cheaper is to use cucumbers. I burst into laughter as i didn't expect to hear that and he he said that he was serious, they work really well, just don't eat them afterwards. Well cucumberville, here I come!! he said that they are more soothing as they are cold and that will help with the discomfort. I have to go back to see him on July 6th adn until then he said no sex. My husband is scared tio hurt anything there, so he is going to help me with stretching exercises. My hubby put some cream on his finger and wanted to see how far the stitches go erc. he said that he can feel the stitches as far up as the cervix. I had no idea what was happening in there, wow! Anyway, the discharge is still a bit of yeast and hormonal discharge, no infection, yeah. I am allowed to drive again and increase my activity. Still no lifting and he said that tap dancing would still be too much at this point. So long of a post I know, but I just had so much news to get out there. Thanks all for everything. Happy healing and happy posting!
Dawn I'm so envious that your Dr has looked at his handiwork and explained what you need to do next, etc. With no follow-up with the consultant I suppose I will have to go to the GP but she's not the one who did the work. No tap dancing eh ? I was doing Zumba but don't think I'll be going back to that for a long while - can't imagine having that much energy, never mind the high impact.
I think Jo said her womb is prolapsing so that would explain the possible hysterectomy ... Jo, I know it's easy for someone else to say but as Dawn says, is a hysterectomy so awful ? It's such an ugly word , maybe that makes it worse ! My sister had one at 29 because she had cervical cancer : she'd only had one child and was devastated, but that was because she terribly wanted more children.
Hope everyone's doing well. Do any of you UK people have follow-ups with your surgeons ?
Blue I do hope your antiB's will help with some of that pain, and I wholeheartedly applaud the use of chocolate for mood enhancing
Rect what a fantastic mine of information you are! It was me that was asking about the 'fingers in vagina' thing. My consultant recommended it. He didn't say anything about cucumbers though. I had a tentative feel myself a few days ago and was quite squeamish about the sheer amount of stitches in there.. How long ago was your surgery? I can't imagine a speculum exam for a while yet.
Footle I'm in the UK and have a follow up with my consultant (NHS) but whether this is because he does it routinely or because I had complications after surgery I do not know.
I am feeling a bit crap today to be honest, period has come and everything feels swollen again. I am medicating with plenty of painkillers and chocolate though!
sorry Footle should clarify that consultant is the surgeon who did my op.
Footle indeed I am lucky to have the dr I have. I was referred to him by my GP and he has been great. The fact that he is the surgeon and does follow up even better and as long as I see him every 6 months, I won't need to be referred to him again. So you did Zumba, my friend goes to that and she loves it. I think that is great, so when you're feeling up to the impact, I would go back. I know I am not really very good right now with the jumping. To ask about tap dancing was a bit optimistic on my part. There really is no way I could jump around very much. I am just anxious to test out the TVT and see if it worked.
teedee when I went to the dr and found out that he was putting a speculum in, I was almost in tears. I in fact started begging him, "please no" I said. He promised me that it wouldn't hurt and he is good with his promises. My husband just told me to lie down and he would hold my hand. The dr used a small speculum on me as he thought I was too tense. I really got scared when the dr took his scissors out, but that was to clip three of my stitches that were not dissolved but causing me some grief as they were pulling the perineum and causing some bleeding. I was healed, but the stitches were still intact. I feel relief now from not having them there. I don't really feel the internal ones bothering me at all. I feel energized about the fact that I am healing up really well. I thought it would be so much worse than it turned out. I am tired today though as I did too much after all the promising news. I am not super woman and have to keep that in mind. After all still only 2 and 1/2 weeks post op. IO think the fact that my husband and kids did everything for the first two weeks, I really had a chance to rest up and get well, I really owe it to them.
I hope you ladies have as good a post op visit as I had. Like Footle asked, are there any follow ups with your surgeon? Were any of your gynecologists surgeons? Well I better go now, want to have a little rest and do some knitting.
Talk to you soon.
I think the hysterectomy news hit me quite hard because i found out how bad may conditions were within 24 hours of each other, one appt after the next, it was just one bit of bad news after the next, to have a hysterectomy wouldnt be hugely bad no, but that would mean a third operation, they each have a 12 week (so have read) full recovery, please correct me if i am wrong. That means for 9 months of my life i will not be able to be there properly for my kids, my youngest being 21 months old. My husband, runs his own art business where sometimes he has to travel, unfortunatley i dont have much family help.
My closest is my mum who is over an hour away in london, she works full time and after she walked out when i was 13 we dont have the best relationship.
My sister is due her first baby in september and is over 2 hours away, cant expect anything from her, would be wrong to even consider it. My nan is ill, and the rest of my family are up in yorkshire. I live in kent, right at he end of it.
I am not a winger btw, am just replying to comments etc. I cope very well with life without their help though, my 8YO was diagnosed with epilepsy just before her birthday in march, still trying to remember that not everything is as easy as it used to be, but she has handled it so well. I have a good network of friends that i can depend on where i live though, all have offered their help, but i dont like to take the p***.
My mum,aunt and nan have all had to have repairs, but none of them have been as bad as mine, lucky me. The reason i may have to have a hysterectomy is because my bowel has collapsed on to my womb etc, that collapsed on to my bowel. I had my bladder scanned to see the damage and they checked my residual amount, i had 500ml left in my bladder after going to the loo. They are thinking that my bowel may have done too much damge that even after repair my bladder may just need more room so would have to make space by giving me a hysterectomy, is basically what i could make of it. Like i said, i get alot of info thrown at me and i have to digest it all and then try to remeber the important words etc.
In 24 hours i got this news:
Long intussussception (they are going to have to remove part of my colon)
3.5 inch rectocele (not tragic)
can only empty 70% of my bowel on a very soft stool
possible 3 ops not just the 1 i was thinking of
hysterectomy (not too bad but wouldnt i have to have hrt etc?)
self catheterization up to op and maybe rest of life (am 27)
I just wanted some good news,had heard enough. I dont want anymore kids, i know i have enough, and besides my body cant take it.
I do loads of research, but sometimes i wonder whats right and whats not, strangely i am looking forward to seeing my consultant to clear all this up and get my answers of what i need done re bowel. Have seen gynae and he says i need op but wont touch me until bowel is sorted, understandably.
So tired, manic school run at 8.20, should be asleep by now
Jo Well I guess that it a lot to take in at once. I woudl be very scared nad upset too. I know when I had my first consult, things looked a lot worse than they actually were. I was supposed to have a hysterectomy, bladder repair, bowel repair, and enterocele repair, which is when you have Enterocele is a protrusion of the small intestines and peritoneum into the vaginal canal. The surgery was going to take 8 hours and they would have to enter through the abdominal muscles and have mesh put in to support all the problems. As it turned out, things didn't end up being as bad as the first consult. The dr decided that because my utrerus was not prolapsing enough to be taken out vaginally, he would just leave it in and offered me an ablation to stop my periods. He could then go in through the vagina to fix the bladder and bowel and also put the TVT in. He has left the enteroclel for now as it hasn't caused me too much problems so far. So I was quite relieved when on the second consult, there was an entirely different option of approach available to me. Now, I am 45 and my parents have been dead for years, have no siblings or relatives besides my kids and husband. I live in the country and had to be stranded here as I couldn't drive until yesterday. To be honest with you, it wasn't that bad at all and I had it in my head that I would be bed ridden for weeks and all that, but really, it is nothing like that.
If you have a hysterectomy through the vagina, the recovery is 4 weeks max. My friend had her hysterectomy done that way and she was playing baseball in two weeks time, she was 30 at the time of her op. You younger ladies really do heal up faster. You will likely have your hysterectomy through the vagina because it is already prolapsing. Where as mine is not low enough or lose enough for that. Now I would think that if you have the work done vaginally like most rectocele and cystocele repairs, your recovery time is not going to be that long. I mean when they say fully recovered that is feeling completely 100%. I am almost 3 weeks post op and had three surgeries done at once and I feel about 80% right now. I can manage just fine. I think 12 weeks to recover from each is really long. If you only had let's say a bladder repair through the anterior vaginal wall, you would be feeling great after probably a week, my dr says that is usually around a two week recovery time, but lifting and all that is still not allowed for 6 weeks. So to be honest and put your mind at ease, the recovery time does vary for each individual, but I would really think at your age even with the clotting disorder, you will be up and going in no time. I know I am not your dr and don't know the ins and outs of your situation, but I am basing my opinion on what I have heard from my friends and dr and from my own experience. Even if it did take a total of 9 months to recover, it is not all done at once and it really is a very short period of time compared to a lifetime. In your case quality of lifetime. I wish I could say something to help you feel better because I would not want to be in your shoes and don't pretend to even know how you feel. Our own troubles always seem so horrible because they are ours and we must deal with them whether we want to or not and that just makes us feel so powerless, but things could always be worse. My friend's best friend was just diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer three days ago and she is only 34 and has a 6 month old daughter. When I hear that kind of thing, I just feel awful and thank God for all the great things in my life.
I wish for you to have some peace of mind and to feel better about things. Take care and I'm sure in time the reality of this will settle in more and you will likely be able to deal with it in a better frame of mind. Keep posting and expressing your thoughts.
Jobo, sorry to hear you have had this diagnosis.. I had the anterior and posterior repair and hysterectomy plus cervix removed on 26th april. I am now 5 weeks post op. My story is on the other thread, you should go back and read that thread if you can, I have read lots since having this done, prob not as much as I should have before
Well it sounds like you will need to go for it at some point, question is when? How badly does this affect you in your day to day life? Have they said you can put it off? My surgeon/cons said I could put mine off for around 5 years but I chose to go ahead now as I knew I was losing my job and that I could slow my life down for a little while. You cannot slow down young children though.. so you will need to make your decisions based on that. I am 40 and have found it hard but not too bad. Ups and downs. 5 weeks post op and I have now begun to feel like me again. You will certainly need help with the school run etc for at least 2-4 weeks if the other mums would help. Why not ask them now?
See what things you will absolutely 'have to' do post op and if you can factor in definite help with those things. How long will the gaps be between the ops? Maybe ask for longer gaps? The main thing to avoid is lifting but your youngest will be at least 2 by then so you can prob avoid lifting him/her.
They have left my ovaries in place so this will delay onslet of early menopause. No reason they cant do that for you too. I am not ready to be a dried up old lady just yet (even tho I may end up with a false too/partial denture soon, yikes, and I also now have a shopping trolley and dont mention to anyone but I have a cat too) Hopefully this will keep it at bay. You are even younger than me (Im 40) so Rect is right, you will heal quickly. Rect has given you lots of good advice and info so soak it all in (isnt she amazing?) and ask questions when you can. I found they didn't give me lots of info so I found out what I could for myself. Several ladies where I used to work had had stuff done so I spoke to them in private. They were happy to share, as is everybody on here and there are others forums too.
Hope once the news sinks in and you analyse your options you will feel better and clearer on what needs to happen. I found once I got to the point of surgery I was pretty calm and ready (even tho I nrly cancelled in the waiting room, but I think we all did that)... Coming on here and discovering those feeling and fears are normal will help you no end. Its tough being a female but we are and have to get on with it. Luckily we can find others we have been through it and who will hold our hands as we go.
Big hugs from me too xoxox
Flowers and Footle you both are such kind ladies. You have such compassion for people. I like that you offer hugs and understanding to Jobo. I tend to get factual about things and that doesn't always come across as compassionate. Jo forgive me if I sound too cool about things. I am as emotional as anyone else and I forget that sometimes listening is better than advice. I hope your are feeling better today and I want to offer you hugs also.
Flowers you sound great! I am so impressed or shall I say proud of you for getting along as you have, under the circumstances. Question for you, was your uterus removed vaginally? How are you feeling at this point of recovery, on a scale of 1-10?
Footle how are you feeling on a scale of 1-10? You are only 4 weeks post - op correct?
So ladies, I must say that the vaginal stretching exercises are not going to be easy. I have just asked my husband to help with the whole thing and just using his index finger to try and stretch is not very comfortable. I really don't know how long it takes to get back to a place where you can have intercourse again, but right now it seems far off. Lubricant stings the area so bad it feels like itis on fire So I had to scrap that idea. When trying to stresch it, I begin to feel like soemting is going to tear and it feels bruised, so afterwards I feel similar down there to when I was 1 week post-op. I took some pain relief and feel pretty good this morning, no swelling or anything like that, a little achey, but very tolerable. What a strange thing to talk about, "stretching the vagina"what we woman have to endure, Lol...
On another note, I am trying to wean myself off the laxatives. I quit taking the senna ( bowel stimulator) as that is the one my dr said will create a dependancy in order for the bowels to work. I am still taking the stool softener though, but only half as much as before and loads of fibre and water. The end result (haha) well it was not as easy to go as it was before. I found it a bit frustrating and wondered if it would ever happen, but it did and it wasn't too painful.
That's all for now,
Thank you for your kind comment, and for all of you for your support and nice stuff you say... its so touching
On a o-10 scale would say I am a 7 today as bit sore again, but that is because of the classic overdoing it last 2 days following on from the wknd where I felt great and almost like my old self.. As has been said many times on here it is the mistake it's so easy to make, so hard not to think you are 'better' now and launch into normal levels of activity and then pay the price..
Yes my uterus was removed vaginally. To those who were asking, I also had the same guy as consultant/surgeon and I have a follow up with him early in july. Footle I cant believe you dont get a post op check at all, that beggars belief... I need mine cos need to hear it has worked and not re-prolapsed etc, cant you somehow request one?
Interesting ideas re cucumbers etc, how far post op are you again rect? I dont feel ready to try that or anything like it tho as I said before I do poke about when in the bath..
Rect I got constipated yesterday, first time since op, god it scared me half to death and was quite painful... I stopped the laxative couple of weeks ago cos it tasted yuk
speak later ladies xox
Flowers, I am 3 weeks post-op tomorrow. It was a recommendation from the dr to begin stretching the vagina. You and I both have had the anterior and posterior done, this makes it even tighter than just having one or the other done. you will start stretching whne you feel up to it. I am not sure I am up to it yet after last night, so I plan to take it quite slow. It seems to hurt the most at the opening, that is where it is tightest according to the dr. I also find it painful near the top of the vagina as well.
I am afraid of getting constipated and after your experience I am going ot do my best to try and prevent that. it is difficult though, I get tired of drinking so much water and drinking the fiber suppliment and watching everything I eat. The better I feel the less cautious I am about all of that.
I hope your bowels get back in order, I find bowels are an obssession since surgery, would be nice to ge them back to normal.
Take care everyone xoxo
Sorry just a couple of points , haven't read all up to here yet.
Dawn / Rect, the lubricant - was it KY Jelly ? they have changed the formulation of that and LOTS of women including me ( dried up old woman that I am NOT , but yes I do normally need lubricant , Flowers you rude girl ) are allergic to it. But there are other types available : have a look around and ask your GP too. We use something called Yes , which comes in either water base or oil base. There's another called Sylk which you can get prescribed. I'm quite sure all of us will need some lube at least for a while, so it's worth knowing the brand leader is not the only kind.
Following your OH's example to Boldly Go, Dawn, my OH tried gently with his finger today. I found the entrance very painful on one side , and a sort of period crampy feel when he got further in , but not much discomfort from the inner stitches. The pain at the entrance is a worry, and the feeling of the perineum being rigid and not at all stretchy. But OH wasn't traumatized, and neither was I ! Cucumbers can wait. I'm not comfortable enough to drive, though I'm mentally fit ...
On a scale of 10 being back to normal I'd say I'm about 5 today , overdid it with some shopping this morning and then this afternoon had coffee with a friend in the village with her toddler , and ended up going to the playground and standing getting cold for too long.
About laxative (Movicol ) - I take one sachet a day , and the consultant /surgeon ( he's both ) said that he expects I will always need it. So long as I can always GET it, and one sachet a day is always going to be enough, this isn't a problem. I'm old enough not have to pay for prescriptions.
Flowers , I really feel I need the surgeon to look and see if it looks right. I'm going to wait a couple of weeks and ask the GP if I can be referred just for my peace of mind, but I suspect it will either be a No , or a very non-urgent appt that may take months.
PS The surgeon did tell me not to try having penetrative sex for about 12 weeks because he had really had to stretch the tissue that's there , but that I mustn't put it off any longer than that or it might be difficult to start again. A bit of a balancing act ( so to speak ) but our sex life is very important to us and we'll sort it out.
In fact the lubricant we used is Sylk , no petrochemicals listed , and natural-sounding ingredients. I bought it over the counter but it can also be prescribed so presumably it's thought to be safe. I'm quite sensitive to stuff but have no problem with this , and it lubricates well.
Thanks Footle, I will try to find a different lubricant. The only kinds I have really noticed are KY and that was the one that burned on application and the knock-off no name brands. I will look closer at the store and see what they have. Do you find it a bit frustrating that your surgery has made it seemingly so tight that it feels impossible to see sex in teh future? That is how I feel right now, somewhat discouraged I guess. I am also waiting on the cucumbers for now.
Sounds like you had quite a tiring day yesterday, I can relate to that also. Try to take it easier, but I knwo when you get out and feel pretty good, it is hard to control the level of activity, especially when you don't really know how much is too much until the next day.
In regards to getting in to see the surgeon for follow-up, perhaps try making an appointment right away, so in case it is a long wait, you can be a couple of weeks ahead. I don't know how the health system works there, but in Can. it can take a very long time to get into drs.
Today I am really tired and feel quite down. I am frustrated with my husband now because he is just going on like life was prior to op. On Monday, he has asked me to go with hiim to do an estimate for his reno project. and I said, "why, I am not working on it with you, " He still wants my help, he actually asked me to go to work with him yesterday to help with a granite tile job, can you believe that? I stayed home and did housework and stuff like that. I did not sleep well last night as I was uncomfortable from the stretching incident. I woke up at 2:00 am and couldn't sleep. I only slept 3 hours total and I had a nap today from 11-1o. Hubby call s and asks me to go to town and get some tools he left at his last job. I told him I wasn't going to town, too tired to drive. He asked me what I did all day and I told him that I had a nap. He sounded disappointed and then said, "well maybe if you would get up and get the blood flowing, you wouldn't be so tired." I told him I had to go, said bye and hung up the phone. I just want to cry now, I am so upset with that comment. I feel like being a purposeful bitch now and not making dinner or doing anything. I am probably PMS or PMT right now, but I really am tired. Well enough whining, I better go and do something I guess. Have a great evening everyone.
I am not sure why the giant smile emoticom came up in my last post, as it was supposed to be 1 pm., so that is what that means.
Yeah, off you go and move a few granite tiles why don't you ? I thought the giant smile was you gritting your teeth ..
It's been a while because to be honest I have had nothing to say!!!
Last week was so busy so didn't have much time and now tings are pretty much back to normal so I don't have much to talk about!!! LOL!!!
The boys went back to school on Tuesday and I had a wonderful day. Was lovely to have as silent house! My mood was high and I made lots of jewellery!
Today however I have an 'end of period' stonker of a headache that has made me wince when I move but I have struggled through because yesterday felt so amazing, having a purpose again and not being a cabbage on the sofa!
Fortunately the awful pain I had last Friday did seem to all be linked to my period as by Sunday I felt back to pre-period again.
My stiches aren't really causing me any problems now at all. I don't have any pain or stinging, I guess my only moan is that the stitches are still there and I am getting bored of waiting for them to go!!!!
My hubbie and I were a little bit intimate last night and I am overjoyed to tell you that the AWFUL pain inside (when aroused (SORRY I'm blushing!))was not there this time. Phew!!! Obviously I was only partially involved and TBH I felt very unsatisfied! Damn these stitches!!
I must admit I was horrified when Dawn started talking about putting things inside her woohoo! It's only been three weeks that seems so scarey! It makes me shudder to think of anyone going near it! But then now you've made me worry that I might be really tight in there and never have sex again!! LOL. Perhaps when my period has completely finished I will think about it but even then it seems so wrong!!! Didn't realise I was so squeemish!
Anyway, as you can see, all is fine with me!!
Sorry I have nothing more interesting to talk about!!
I would quite like some of the ladies from the old post to talk about how long it took their stitches to go. But I don't think any of them have come over....
HAS ANYONE lost any stitches yet? FLOWERS how about you? You're a little ahead of us......
Much love to you all
Meg / Missing - Any info on stitches please x x x
Footle that's funny! Well I talked with hubby and he thought that maybe I am PMS right now and I think he is right, but that still doesn't mean I want to be doing any tile setting. In fact I would say I am pretty much done with all the renovations stuff except job site clean up.
Jewel I know when you start to feel better than life takes over and like you day, nothing to report. I would still be very interested in hearing from you from time to time to know how you are getting along. Like you said, you wish some of the ladies from the older posts would come back and talk about their stitches, etc. I plan to let everyone know when the stitches dissolve and let them know when sex is possible again without feeling tense or sore or scared. Please keep in touch every now and then and let us know your updates.
Well I am horrified of cucumber therapy I must admit. I know the stretching has to be done though, so no pain, no gain. I will stick to hubby helping out for a while and take it very slow. I am impatient because I really am anxious to have intimacy with my husband again. well I have things to do before bed, so good night ladies. xoxo
SORRY Footle!! You know I didn't mean YOU! xoxo
Hey Jewel, good to see you pop back, glad everything is ok with you.. I have not lost any stitches yet apart from the one I lost on about day 3 that I dont think I was supposed to lose... I did have a little knotty bit just this morning tho so maybe that's the start of it. Think my infection set me back a week or so tho in my recovery as it was quite bad. I'm so glad you're feeling better tho, its a relief isn't it? I felt great last wknd, the sun was shining and I lay in the garden tanning and felt so alive again
I am also reluctant to get intimately acquainted with any cucumbers or anything else for that matter... feel sorry for you ladies with loving OH's who are dying to get back to it, it wont be long now! All I can hope for in that dept is that there are some dishy spanish waiters when I go on my hols I can perv over! Plus there's always my Eric! I would'nt want anything going up there until at least week 6, maybe after that I will get BOB out from under the bed where he's been hiding.
I seem to still have a pink bulge at the opening, its just as if it has never gone away which depresses me no end. Have to just wait for post op really to see if its normal or not but I don't feel very inspired it's gone or going. Oh well, i just want my life back whether it's worked or not and will see what the cons/surgeon makes of it. Footle that is why I can't believe your'e not getting a post op, its terrible, esp if you had TVT which I believe is more risky procedure as it involves introducing a foreign object to a very sensitive part of the anatomy. Do try and get seen 'somehow'...
Oh well I better get on with jobhunt (yawn), haven't done any this week yet and it soon be friday again! have a great day all, hope your all comfy!
Morning ladies! or shall I say afternoon. I feel kind of blah today, quite sore in my joints and muscles. My arthritis and Fibro M act up near my period. I am starting to feel achy cramps down below also, which I don't think will be very pleasant this time around. Perhaps next month won't be as bad, as I will have healed more. My mood is quite sad. I feel like crying about everything. These are the days that I like to hide from people, so nobody will see me in this state of mind.
Missing haven't heard from you for a while. I know you must be back at work and managing your life again. If you come back on, I just wanted to see how you were getting along and if your stitches have come out yet.
There aren't as many posts these days, I always looked forward to reading everything, but I guess you're all healing up now and don't have the need to post. Hope I can have something to read later.
Good day everyone!
I'm too sleepy to write much but like you Dawn, I've also been crying today and feel rather sorry for myself and pathetic. Can't wait for the stitches to vanish, and to be able to find how well this is going to work in the future. So far, I'm very pleased that I can poo straight and I just hope that goes on for the rest of my life.
Thankyou rect for your info, your know so much, is better asking you for advice than my doctor, or bladder/bowel specialist, physio. You speak the truth and i like that, i dont want to be laid up for weeks and weeks on end, it 11.15pm and i have just stopped baking macaroons and a madiera cake. I am one of those that likes to keep busy. Thank you for all your useful information. Where did you get it all from though?
Flowers, footle and rect thank you for all your support, you are all so kind. I hope everyone is feeling ok, i have no idea how you are feeling (yet).
Day to day my condition is hard work really, i cant cough, i cant sneeze, i dont ever fully empty my bladder, and as for emptying my bowels, i have to assist myself to be able to, everything just falls down as soon as i try to go to the loo, i have been prescribed suppositries, but they give me terrible tummy ache and i have to have at least 45 mins to myself.
I do not know if i can put of the ops yet as i need to see my cons, roll on august. I would love to be able to go to the toilet without worrying tho (and have sex normally again)so will prob go ahead with them asap.
I am super tired so am going to go to bed now.
Take care all of you. xoxoxox
Footle I agree, it really is nice to poo straight. Unless you have had to deal with a rectocele, one can not understand the sheer joy and amazement we get from this fix. I hope your spirits pick up, I know somewhat of how you feel. I also hope that I will have a sex life again. I really miss my husband in that way so much. Hugs xoxo
Jo You are a busy woman, baking late. I think if you are a busy type and you have surgery, you may fear how you will deal with not being able to do anything. The truth is, the first week you don't really care if you do and then after that, you feel pretty good to the point that you can do other things.
I, like you, had major bowel issues, had to assist the stools out even if it was runny. I couldn't get it all out either, it would get caught in a pocket right above the perineum. My pee problems were terrible. I would pee when I sneezed, coughed, stepped down the stairs, I wore a maxi pad all the time. I smelled like a dirty diaper from urine. If I went pee, I would stand up to pull up my pants and urine would run down my leg. I felt like I had to pee every time I had sex. My husband noticed how this problem was affecting our sex life as I was too tense to enjoy it anymore. I have poo coming out straight now and no leakage now. Yeah I haven't had sex yet, but in time.
About recovery, I had an op a few years back where the lower abdominal muscle was cut and let me tell you, that was 100X more painful than the ops I just had. Still, it only took 2 weeks to feel better again to where I was really wanting to do things again. The most difficult part of recovery is the fact that you will feel good, but are still not supposed to do too much. My dr when I was deciding whether or not to have the ops, he explained in detail everything he was going to do and how the procedures were done and what to expect after. On Monday at my drs, he told me that I can now drive, I can lift up to 20 pounds now and get more active. He is thinking by 6 weeks I will be 100% I am 45 and healing really well. TBH I was told things would be worse than they ended up and I was pleasantly surprised with how it all went.
At this point, I hear you saying how fed up you are with all he difficulty these conditions cause you and they aren't going away, so you may as well go for it! I think if I was you and they could only do one at a time, then I would choose the one that I need fixing the most and start there. Good luck! Keep posting, if I failed to answer all your questions, forgive me I will read your post again.
Take care xoxo
Dawn, you deserve a medal for services to gynaecological enlightenment.
Thanks Footle, there was a time when I wanted to be a dr or a nurse, but the thought of all that expensive schooling really turned me off of it.
Well I got up so early today, was exhausted last night and fell asleep early, well 11:30 pm, that's early for me. Tried to do some of the stretching, but it is just too painful. My husband said that it is likely where the stitches are. When he pokes around there, he knows the spots that really hurt and told me that there is a lot of thread there, that is how he can tell. He is sure that after the stitches dissolve it will feel les painful. I am not convinced however time will tell.
Stupid question for you all, but what colour are your stitches? Mine are white, they are obvious in there. I don't know if I will see them when they fall out though. I can't really see the stitches along the posterior wall as they are at the wrong angle. That is a good thing though because the rectocele is completely gone, I used to see the posterior wall all the time as it pretty much covered the opening to my vagina. The stitches on the anterior wall start right after the opening to where you pee, that is where they placed the TVT. The other good news is, the stitches don't bother me at all in daily life, I don't even know they're there.
Well I wil go now and talk to you all later.
The only stitch I can see is dark - can't see it very well. I am aware of stitches but it's the bit on one side near the entrance that really bothers me, though there's nothing to be seen.
Well i must admit Dawn I did have a giggle when you gave us an update following your visit to your surgeon. How big are your cucumbers? the thought brought tears to my eyes!! we had our ops at similar times so it is interesting to compare notes. I dont think I could have managed a cucumber pre-op let alone post op! Sorry you have had a few down days lately your OH sounds so supportive with everything you have gone through perhaps he was jsut having a ''man'' day. Tell him from us you need far more rest and have gone through major surgery that will improve his quality of life as well as yours!! you just pace yourself and chill.
Jo, I have read with interest what you are going through and the advice and support you are given here. You have had a tough time you are a brave girl and know you have to face this and you will get through it. I really worry that not seeing the consultant until August is reasonable as there will be a waiting period once you see him /her for the surgery. I know speaking with his secretary or the appointments department briefly explaining how bad your symptoms are they may sqeeze you in. I am thinking of when the best time would be for you, As you need to rest, and there are the school trips etc.....
I have been in terrible pain wondering why I am not recovering like Dawn, the barbed wire effect has not eased, I thought I had thrush with severe internal irritation, desparate to itch but of course cant, just sit with the shower hose soothing the area in the middle of teh night. I got some anti biotics, but still feeling lousey with painful lymph nodes in my groin and painful itching legs and tummy. I managed to get a mirror down there today and I suspect I have an allergy to the stictches. The barbed wire was an infection over the stitches I could see, and not a nice sight. I hard swelling of infection mass... I had other surgery (minor) a few months ago and remember having a terrible rash underneath the op site rasied hives but didnt think anything of it, once the stitch ( one long one) was removed 10 days later it cleared up.
I have tried to speak with the ward again,
Has anyone else encountered allergies to these stitches, I can see the ends of one have made a mess just through rubbing what was a good area, and so swollen inside I could not let anyone near me even for an examination. Not sure what I am going to do especially with the weekend dawning.
Try get an emergency appt with the GP for today or for tomorrow if yours does them on Sats. Be assertive ! . The ward may tell you to do this anyway as it's a few weeks since your op. Also consider whether the pads you're using could be irritating you - I felt a lot better when I stopped using Always. But it sounds as if you need the Dr to look at it , you shouldn't be in "terrible pain". Stitches are supposed to be hypoallergenic but if you had a problem before maybe it's the same this time. You and Dawn sound as if you're using dentists' mirrors btw !
Blue I don't have cucumebrs yet, but you are supposed to work your way up in size. The only ones available at the grocery store are the long English types and there is no way I will be using one of those. When the smaller types become available then that is where you start I guess or you could use carrots he said also, these are only for circumferance.
that is terrible that you still have the pain in the groin and other places. Maybe you are having an allergic reaction to something or the infection is causing you pain and irritation/itching. I have not reacted to dissovable stitches, but I have reacted badly to the removeable type sutures and staples. Did you also have a TVT? If so, perhaps you are allergic to it. They are also supposed to be hypo-allergenic, but there are rare cases that woman react to them. You probably need to see a dr right away, in the mean time, try taking an antihistamine to help with the itch, if that helps, then you have an allergy of some kind. If you are healing, it can be very itchy as well, but usually just at the site itself.
i hope you can get this handled today. you may need to go to the emergency. I wish you the best with this and hope you feel better.
Footle about the mirror, it is kind of funny. The day of my op, my husband went to the store to buy me some candy to have handy to suck on in hospital and came back with a 5 inch vanity mirror. He handed it to me because he knew I would want to look down there as soon as possible. It was interesting to see first day, way too swollen to even think anything would ever fit in there again. The swelling sure has gone down so much from then.
Blue, how are you doing ? Hope you've got a medical opinion by now.
Dawn, It didnt dawn on me that you have small cucumbers over there, hope you have had a smile about it though - I wonder if your surgeon is into gardening? I guess our small courgettes are the size of your cucumbers. Hope everyone is having a peaceful weekend and those of you with partners are being taken care of with breakfast in bed.
Footle/Dawn, I called the ward, spoke to a nurse on Friday, an allergy was not familiar to her but all she kept saying they are internal and wont be able to be removed. I would not be able to see the consultant until later in the week. She works in a few hospitals, although I offered to go to any of them. I am being brave hoping the anti-biotics may kick in - trying the anti histamine, taking the pain killers, and showering the area frequently. From what I can see around the site of the stitches that are visable on the outside are blister like swellings, the infection pressure that I described as the barbed wire has eased since the abcess ''exploded'' the majority came from below the sucture site, this has clearly prevented neat healing. I am terrified what is actually going on inside it is clearly very inflammed, red and on fire!
I am too scared and sore to go to just any doctor, and could not face being a guinea pig in an A+E department with junior doctors, but will speak to my GP in the morning, ( to see your own GP you have to book 10 days in advance at this surgery - but I can book a telephone call!) with a view to seeing the consultant later in the week. I would have felt far safer on the ward Friday but coping. Of course when I am over this I would like to hi light this issue amongst the medical profession. I know my allergy is not normal so ladies that are planning such surgery do not be alarmed, I do have a latex allergy so something linked is causing a reaction.
Blue, well done, keep being assertive ! I do hope you won't have long to wait , this is a horrible situation. I have a latex problem too but nothing like this has happened to me , though I do wonder if Always pads have some latex content. I hope your daughters are either helping or staying well away so you can howl in peace.
Hello ladies, now I am back to normal life, there are not enough hours in the day and haven't had time to post or read. I have missed my friends!!
jewellery mum just reading your detailed post, I had that same pain but figured it was the codeine messing with my guts, so I dropped the painkillers and it went away, hasn't come back.
Blue11, in case this is any comfort at 6weeks I still had terrible pain, now at 11 weeks its down to the odd shooting or stinging here and there, they come on maybe 10 times a day but only last for about 10 seconds so its just a matter of ooo and its gone.
Jobo, did you get to the bottom of the thin blood disorder - mym Mum took years to get to the bottom of hers, it turns out she has both Waldenstroms and Von willebrands, which both thin the blood so having both makes life complex, but now it's diagnosed she can have treatments which have greatly enhanced her life - maybe worth checking out whether they have tested for both of those? Now if she has to have any kind of op etc they give her a infusion of meds that sort the clotting out temporarily.
Rect, I understand re your hubby and the granite tiles - I have support and sympathy all round for a week... then its a case of everyone wondering why I was so lazy... I am now back to normal activities and if I sit down (even say 2pm) I will drop off and start snoring, so clearly normal activities are too much, even at 11 weeks. No one can see what hurts, or why and no one really understands why we are so knackered. So you either do what people expect, and end up overdoing it and causing a damage, or stick to your guns and go with the activity levels that feel right, and have everyone think you're really milking it. It's not easy to go through that all day every day.
I see from the posts that lots of ladies feel blah, boo and downright boo hoo. I do think this is the aftermath of the surgery. Last time I went to the doc he gave me a presecription for antidepressants, I havent filled them yet, and think I am getting a little less blah each week. What I am trying to say, is try to see the down moods as just part of the process, and although the process goes on for bloody ages, it will pass (honest!!)
re stitches mine fell out from about 5 weeks, and at 6weeks I had a period that seemed to flush lots out, however at the 6 week check I still had several in place as well. They are so uncomfortable. I remember toying with the idea of snipping them myslef as I couldnt bear it, but I didnt. I guess that would have been a terrible idea. But they do go, the periods help wash out the internal ones, once they have come loose, and you will feel soooo much better then.
Rect you are brave re the cucumbers, and also the other ladies re stretching etc ouch I couldn't have dared!! But.... in due course....We had a fumble the other night (say 10.5 weeks point) and I was all victorian lady -- oh no I don't think so etc, OMG I was crapping myself (not literally!) but we had a trial that was a bit rubbish mainly cos I was terrified. So take 2, around 11 weeks, and everything worked. DH is fairly shy so I can't get a great deal out of him, but he has advised, it was good, and yes its different now and better. I stopped trying to get info out of him at that point cos its not what he wants to talk about. For me it felt VERY different. No more dipping a string into a bucket (hooray), but it did hurt a little (yes I am a born again virgin ha ha ha) but not enough to put me off. We are used to going ages without sex (army family) but when you're sex starved a little ouch here and there isnt going to stop you. It did hurt a bit after a while, it was tight (hallelujah) but I am sure that will stretch in due course (boo) for me the main thing is I was scared of busting something. I dont think any thing bust. But TBH I am glad DH has gone away for a few weeks so I can let it all recover just in case. I am a wimp!! Its 2 days later and I am still feeling a little sore down below (takes me back to my teenage days ahh) so I guess for me the skin/tissue is still delicate. Oh and I didnt pee myself when having sex hooray.
Hmm my kids seem to want me, and having seen on the new about mums on MN and ignoring the kids I am guilt tripped into going and actually looking after them ha ha. Will be back on later to read the rest of the posts and answer any other questions xx
Rect, I had some white and some black stitches. Hmm reading your posts, maybe you should start with a courgette ;)
Blue that sounds terrible. I dont know if you can use this on your fanny but there is a new cream out for kids with chicken pox to reduce the itching, it could assist with soothing...? Can you ask the nurse to pass the details onto the consultant in case she determines that she will see you sooner? Is it worth just making a general pain of yourself so that they see you to stop you ringing them? Like you say, this is not usual.
Good luck I hope the pain is easing xx
Lovely to hear from you , Missing ! The details about stitches and sex are very helpful. As I said, I was told by the doc to wait till about 12 weeks because of the way he'd had to do the stitches , and early fumblings make me think that will be about right though it seems a long wait. I was thinking that periods would help wash out the stitches - as I don't have periods I will have to hope I can fish them out eventually.
I'm sure your hours on MN will have made you an even better parent..
Blue that is horrible what is happening to you right now. I would be crying my eyes out with frustration. You are a real trooper. I really hope you can talk with your dr and get to the bottom of this. Is it possible you might have a yeast infection along with the infection, it can cause so much irritation. My 18 year old daughter had antibiotics for strep and ended up allergic to the penicilin and got the yeast infection of a lifetime as well. Her mouth was full of sores, her gums bled and her vaginal area was so inflammed that she had bleeding blisters and redness, she stopped eating and drinking because she didn't want to go pee. She was crying and thought she got herpes from her boyfriend. I thought it was yeast, but went to emergency and she was prescribed a big dose of diflucan (oral yeast med) it was cleared up in two days. Perhaps this is a portion of your problem, but it could well be masked by so much other pain etc. Just a thought for you. I hope you find a compassionate dr to help you. Hugs xoxo
Missing thanks for coming back with more information. I wondered how you were getting along especially because you had the surgery as I had. i am struggling with the stetching down there. It is so tight and very painful to try and stretch it. After you get past the first 3 inches it isn't as bad. I guess because of all the sewing on both anterior and posterior has brought it in quite a bit. My husband said that he can feel with his finger stitches going all the way up to the top on both top and bottom, but it is tighter around the opening for some reason. My dr did warn us about this as it was the only way to sucessfully do the repair, I was running short of tissue to sew to. I am so afriad my sex life is ruined, I know i must be patient, but this is weird. I had 6 babies come out of there, it managed to stretch out the, now I can't even put a small cucumber in there. My hubby's finger is the limit. He is well endowed, so I am worried. The doc should have measured him first before sewing me up. Lol... put the husbands through some humiliation too. My husband is scared to hurt me, so I think it will be awhile even after my next post op appt. July 6th.
On another note, I got my period today and it feels awful. I feel much the same as I did 4 days post op, so sore and I feel so sickly. I am going to take it easy for sure. I am in bed right now and I am going to knit. Have a great Sunday ladies, thanks for everything.
ha ha footle, I am not sure - kids are in bed and one is calling out for a cuddle but here I sit (bad mummy!!) I did enjoy logging onto MN every 5 mins when I was signed off, but being back at work is interfering with my MN'ing. I have the solution - I am considering the redundancy they are offering... it's a terrible decision financially but after 8 weeks off, I was a bit surprised when I went back to find out how unhappy working at this particular company is making me....
I think 12 weeks (end of next week for me) would have been a better idea. But we had to get it in quick (phnar phnar) before he went off for a few weeks.
Rect, you are so soon post surgery... how you are feeling now in tenderness and wellness are going to be rubbish and you really will feel better, its just going to take time. You are like me in that you had lots of ops, you have fibro and arthritis - I am nearly 43 so we are much the same age also (altho I only had the 2 kids!!) - anyway my recovery has been soooo much slower than the ladies that were posting before I had my op. But I am getting there slowly and surely. You will too and you need to be careful not to measure yourself against others who heal more quickly. Where you are now is temporary. If my DH had come near me even with just a finger, I would have battered him just a few weeks ago.
I had bad times when I just couldnt see any improvement and convinced myself something had gone terribly wrong, convinced myself that I would never feel any better, all sorts. Its just so slow you dont notice the improvement until one day you think, ah ha, I couldnt have done all that 5 weeks ago.
Try to turn it on its head in your head ie imagine yourself a born again virgin!! After having a bucket fanny for so long I really want it all smaller. And my doc was very clear that he wouldnt overtighten - your doc sounds like the best I have ever heard of so there is no way they will have overtightened.
How are you getting on with the TVT? I was convinced at the start that it was 100% working but other days I think it really doesnt and am scared to follow that line of thought. Mine is still achy along the lines of it even at 11 weeks, in fact this week I have gone backwards, in that it hurts more now than it did say 3 or 4 weeks ago...hmm maybe it was that sex!?!? I am terrified of doing something wrong an buggering up the TVT. I did lift up a 5 year old the other day, I wonder if that could have made it stop working.. or is that just nuts?
happy healing ladies xxx
Missing you are right about needing to give it time. I guess I am anxious because I miss my husband so much in that way. We are close and I know he misses it too, but he of course doesn't complain and is patient.
My TVT so far seems to have worked. My dr asked me at the last appt. about it, but I didn't really know, I just told him that my bladder seemed to empty because of the cystocele repair and when I stood up after weeing, nothing came running out, so the TVT must be working. I still get twinges of strange pain in the groin at times, but not too bad. I have sneezed a few times and no leakage. The real test will be jumping and running and catching me off guard. Another thing I have noticed is at times the weeing is slow for some reason, but it eventually comes out. My dr said that the TVT causes some restriction on the urethra and for a few months you can expect a slower flow than before.
I hope yours is working Missing. I don't think lifting your child would have wrecked the TVT in particular. When I was considering only having the TVT, the Dr said it was only 2 weeks recovery time and everything can be back to normal, including sex. Perhaps you are in the percentage that only gets partial success. I am not sure why the pain still though. I think things down there can be tender for a while. There is also the possibility that when the incisions were made, some nerves were severed and that can cause prolonged pain. Do you still have the groin pain or is it just right at the site of the TVT? I feel bad for you, that your recovery has been a long haul. I feel pretty good now, but I may not necessarily be out of the woods yet. Anything can develop over the next couple of weeks. I am just anxious to get my period over with for this month, it is causing more pain in the area I had the surgeries.
Missing regarding your job and teh unhappiness. I had a somilar thing happen to me a few years ago. I was a school bus driver for 11 years. The politics among the other drivers was awful and it was a dreadful place to be. During the 2 week Christmas break, I felt so great and when it came time to return back to work, I started to cry and became depressed and realized how unhappy I was and just couldn't carry on with it any longer, so I never returned. I am so much better off, sure finances weren't great for a while, but I sure was better. Money worked itself out eventually. Do what you need to do to be happy and healthy, it is better for your entire family too, when you feel good. Good luck!
Good day ladies
HI I AM 6 DAYS POST OP TVT AND POSTERIOR WALL REPAIR. I AM RESTING AT HOME I HAVE LOTS OF ACHES AND PAINS AND PRESSURE HAS ANYBODY ELSE HAD THIS ANAL PRESSURE? I HAVE ALSO RETAINED LOTS OF FLUIDIT IS IN MY LEGS MAINLY HAS ANYBODY ELSE EXPERIENCED THIS FLUID RETENTION? I HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY MY SURGEON THAT INTERNAL SUTURES TAKE MINIMUM 90 DAYS TO HEAL AND TO REMAIN OFF WORK UNTIL AFTER FIRST CLINIC APPOINTMENT WHICH IS END OF SEPTEMBER !!! DOES THIS SEEM GOOD ADVICE ?
ANY REPLIES WELCOME
Firstly please tell me to get my arse into gear! Having trouble getting off the sofa this morning. Lazy lump! Spent yesterday (with all the rain) sorting out all my loose beads, sorting them into type, then into colour and now I have to put them all away in their boxes!
Missing Thank you so much for the update. It is so helpful to hear from someone a little further on than we are.
Rect I know EXACTLY what you mean about your period - remember my post a little over a week ago! Ouch! It really hurts!!! Hopefully it will only be this first post-op period that causes trouble, otherwise I am going to have to have two duvet days each month!!! Rest assured it will go back to normal by day 3/4!!!
My only grumbles now are my impatience!! I have just finished my period am just into my amorous part of the month but here I am, feeling totally normal but with a woohoo full of stitches!! LOL!! I just want rid now! Surely after 4 weeks the skin has all fused and healed?!?! Anyway I'm told that pateince is a virtue! I just can't contemplate that it may be another 4-6 weeks before I can have sex again!!!
However, I am very grateful that everything has seemingly gone very well and I have no pain or discomfort! The rest will come, I know!!
Blue I am so worried about you - what you are experiencing is definately not norml, nor is it something that you should be putting up with. I really hope you are at the Docs today and can get something sorted out and aren't fobbed off. Please let us know x x x
Blue - what Jewel says ! Let us know what happens today.
Hello Kop , no need to shout love, we're all listening - press the caps lock on your keyboard again to get back into lower case . I'm 4.5 weeks post op with a rectocele repair , but I'm 63 so my recovery may be a bit different from younger women's. I've recently had a feeling of anal pressure again, which I sometimes had before the op. I hope it isn't a sign of the op not having worked - everything else is slowly improving.
I didn't have fluid retention - is this a new thing for you ? I haven't seen anyone else mentioning it in this thread so maybe you should ring the GP and ask about it ? It's important to find out what's causing it.
I'm expecting the sutures / stitches to start dissolving soonish , ie around 6 weeks, going by what I was told. And the Dr told me 12 weeks was about the right time for me to wait to have sex because of the trouble he'd had attaching the repaired tissue - it is stretched tighter than he'd have liked , and attached to the 'perineal body' ie inside the perineum. What does your job involve ? Some people here are back to normal in 8 weeks or less , some need much longer. You're still in very early days : take all the painkillers you need , try to walk around a bit each day , but get the fluid retention checked out.
Tell us how you get on.
Jewel , are you like me with no follow-up planned ? It would be such a help wouldn't it , deciding about sex etc. I should think the stitches would be pretty scratchy for your OH though ? Better to wait a bit rather than lacerating the poor fellow ..
Missing , if they're offering redundancy and you see so clearly that the job makes you miserable , hm, economic climate and all that , but it sounds as if you feel you'd be better off out of it . Like Dawn says it's often not till you take a step back that see what's in front of your nose.
Hi Footie, I am also an older woman I am 55 , this is the first time i have experienced water retention post op but it appears to be going very slowly!! I have put on 11lbs with it despite eating a small healthy bowel friendly diet I guess it's just a time thing!!! I am walking a bit each day and going up and down stairs several times a day , although this is quite uncomfortable, I have not yet been able to lie/sleep on my side yet the pressure is unbearable. I am just going to take all advice given and the main thing is rest and resist doing things around the house. I lost a stitch today but do not know where from it is quite long, thick and blue in colour i seem all intact so will just assume it is the entrance point for TVT at entrance to vagina.Seems soon to lose a stitch though?
Hey Footle, yep, no follow up for me! It was a case of "We did it, it's fine, any problems speak to your GP, now bugger off we need the bed! What do you mean your hubbie can't come for 2 hours? Go wait on the hard chairs in the waiting room then!" And wait for 2 hours on hard chairs I did!!
I still thikn I may go and see my GP at 6 ish weeks (cycle depending) and see what she thinks!!!
Hi Ladies. Welcome Kopgirl. You are having a rough go of this. I would be concerned about fluid retention. If your surgeon advised something, it is probably the right advice for you, take it and rest. I had pressure in the bottomend too, can't say if it was to the intensity you are experiencing at present, but it bothered me. Pain killers help.
Blue I hope you got to the dr today.
Footle, I know what you are sayign about feeling the anal pressure returning. I am afraid. You see I should have been better prepared for my period as it causes me to pretty much turn into a different gal for a while. Not only I am off the deep end, but physically, a night mare. My bowels are completely stubborn PMS time and they won't budge. Being in pain and having a stool stuck on the area, I strained to get it out and now I feel beat up down there. I had another BM and it felt like I needed to splint and I wanted to help it. I ended up controling myself enough to be patient to expell it and only used my hand to support the perineum. I think I will start taking senna every period. I was sitting on the toilet crying because I was so messed up and felt so defeated. Sounds like a stupid thing to cry about, a fricken BM, what a loser! I am still quite bed ridden today. This weekend was a true test for PMS. My husband and I had a BIG fight about his insane Mother and it ended with me locking him out of the bedroom for the night. I don't know who the hell I am sometimes???? He wasn't exactly faultless. I ended up sending him an email from teh laptop and expressed my insanity and apologies. God, why does this man love me so much? Well enough rant, I'm a bit insane these days, but will be back to what ever normal is (setting on the dryer) soon I'm sure. Take care all, any of you pick on their husbands during PMS or PMT whichever?
P.S. Does anyone know how to change their nickname, I can't seem to remember, can't figure it out?
Dawn / Rect , I had a hell of a time changing my nickname when I joined MN, and got help from Mumsnet Towers . In fact I had entered my real name as a nickname by mistake , and I didn't feel i could post about all this using my real name . it was quite difficult to sort it out .. but I think if you go to your Profile there may be a way.
Dawn, how did the dryer get in here ??
Awww so sorry to hear some of you are having a hard time.. its grotty isnt it.. Blue hope you feel better soon, that sounds rough on you on top of everything.. Missing lovely to hear from you again and glad you are back to normal almost, thanks for the update, glad you got some action even if it was a bit sore, I know what you mean about being tired, I am the magic 6 weeks tomorrow and nowhere near back to normal and still get so tired! Keep falling alseep on sofa at about 8-9pm which is a pain as it usually means I cant get back to sleep again when I wake up and go to bed.. also sorry to hear about your job, I lost my job end March and can't believe its been two and a half months since I worked, the days fly past and it has been nice being home after 10 years full time. Been looking but would like a little longer if I can manage it financially (doubtful). And I am just the same re worrying I have messed up my repairs, I did hoover for the first time last week cos couldnt stand the mess any longer, then was constipated for 2 days after and convinced myself I was back to square 1! Luckily its ok again now, but I do know what you mean!
Welcome kopgirl, I don't know about anal pressure but I sure have terrible piles if thats the same thing.. and it seems worse too than before which worries me, sorry about your fluid retention too. I also lost a big blue stitch very soon after my op and I think its all ok regardless, its the only stitch I have seen so far.
Sorry to jewel and all others with PMT and painful periods, so glad I dont have that anymore!
Well I am fine, getting ready for my hols which is a week today, very excited but quite nervous too as I dont feel as good as I would like but hope I will be ok when I get there, its a quiet resort so just will be sitting in the sun and eating lots as we are AI, few drinks at night then prolly bed early, no mad partying this time!
Woke up friday night in the middle of the night in agony with a feeling of fire going right up the vajazzle both sides where the stiches are and right across my abdomen, took my breath away and couldnt move at first. Took painkillers once I struggled downstairs and it eased off.. Terrified of my infection returning, keep thinking it has but then there is no smell and the pains come and go, tried to get the metro gel I was prescribed which you squirt up but it has been discontinued apparently which is rubbish
I have noticed that when I get stressed/anxious the pain gets worse, got like it yesterday cos I worked on a job app for 4 hours online and when I clicked save it had logged me out and I lost the lot! Deadline was today and I just couldnt face starting again! Just had to leave it, the pain in my tummy got real bad cos I was so aggrieved.
Rect sorry you have been feeling low too, I felt like that last week too when I couldnt go for 2 days, just sitting there in pain for 20 mins, think my diet was a bit poor and that caused it, have increased the fibre again and it seems ok now, but yes its horrible. I am sure your hubby doesnt mind, I dont have anyone to moan at, just my 15 yr old DD but if I did I am sure I would!! Go easy on yourself xoxo
Keep your chins up ladies, sorry this is soooo long!
Kop , it does seem early to lose a stitch but I think someone else lost one early too , with no bad results. It must be awful not being able to lie on your side : I could lie like that pretty soon and it gave me a welcome option, or pair of options , L and R . Nice to meet someone not quite so much younger than me as all the rest ! But why the fluid retention I have no idea. Is your blood pressure OK ? You are still within the time when you can ring the ward to ask for advice , so why not see what they say ? The end of Sept is ages away.
Dawn no-one here thinks crying about a BM is weird , you know that . Your doctor sounds so great , as Missing said . Did he tell you to call if you had problems ? It does sound like a problem if you're feeling you need to splint again. I've had a couple that have worried me but nothing dramatic so far.
As for why he loves you , well , he's obviously completely out of his mind , so I shouldn't worry about a thing, you are clearly soul mates.
Jewel I'm going to go to the GP too , maybe next week , and ask what she thinks and whether she has any more details about the op. I've wondered whether I have TVT but wasn't told , probably just paranoia.
Hi Flowers , nice to see you ! I had that thing of waking up with an intense pain in my fanny ( Dawn , that means vagina to us UK types ) a few nights ago. It really startled me and took my breath away. I lay thinking Oh God , now what , must get my Tramadol - but suddenly it was morning , I must have dropped straight back to sleep. I talked to my sister about it and she remembered it from after her hysterectomy : doctors told her it was various nerves twingeing as they healed. Hope you have a lovely lazy holiday.
Footle the dryer was in reference to what "normal" might be. For me as I don't know how to determine normal in my case, I will just accept it as a setting on the dryer.
I will have to tell my husband we are soul mates for the very reason you gave, he will get a kick out of that. Lol..
I can call my drs office, his nurse Kathy handles these calls. If she feels it is a problem she will tell me what to do. My dr is away for a couple of weeks, so I will have to wait or put my trust in someone else. I think the feeling of needing to splint comes from the fact that I am confused about what I as like 7 years ago before all this rectocele stuff started. I think I want to splint because I am not convinced that my bowels will work. I had another painful BM today and it is just so slow because of my period. I start to panic thinking I have to get it out or it will wreck something. I managed without splinting so far. I am eating lots of fiber, I could probably drink more water and I still take softeners, so I believe this is just my stubborn period bowel acting up, my normal bowel should show up in a couple of days. If it does come back to normal, then I need to be better prepared for my periods.
Flowers I feel guilty for complaining about my measly little troubles when you are having to recover under the circumstances that you do and are handling it wonderfully. I think you are likely quite stressed and having tummy difficulties because of it. I wish I could advise, but I don't practice anything that pertains to good stress relief. I hope you have a restful holiday though and that helps you feel better and forget some stresses and helps you to heal.
I am off to lay down now before Em gets home and I have to make dinner. The way I feel I will need an hour nap to get through that.
Good evening everyone. Thanks for all the kind words and support. Makes me
Hey all I did it I changed my nickname, I feel now that I am all fixed up, I need to be more positive about that and stop being negative with a name that clearly indicates the past at this point. So now I present the new me.
Ohh likeavirgin i am pmsl at your new nickname!! It suits you!! Sooo funny! Lets raise a glass to when you lose it again eh ;)
Flowers, indeed we will celebrate losing it for the second time. Maybe I should have changed my name to Mary? Mmmm. haha to all.
So I am still struggling through my period today. I am tired of feeling sore I guess, it makes me cranky. I hope tomorrow is better. I am making dinner right now and instead of making something simple I go all out and make baked ham, homemade baked beans, scalloped potatoes, spinach salad, and cauliflower. When I should have just put a frozen pizza in the oven. I am hoping I can fight through the discomfort, but standing up cooking just makes my insides feel like are going to fall out. I think I waqs trying to get more fiber in my diet, so that is why I went with this menu plan, let's hope it helps the Bms. I am in bed hubby is watching dinner till it's done and I am having a rest till supper. I still feel like crying, but trying to ignore that and just get through this. Well thansk again for listening ladies. Good night!
Hey footle.. Thanks for that and yes it will be good to de-stress a bit after all that has gone on and hoping that good dose of sun will do just that. Hope youre ok too xoxn
Hi Dawn, re the slow wee, I was told to expect that, its a common thing with TVT and won't change.
re the pain, it had eased off slowly week by week but is back now suddenly, just along the lines of where the TVT is, and also down below where I imagine the curvy bit of TVT is that supports whatever it supports. I am going to pace myself today and if today is better than yesterday I will know what ever it is is healing/going and calm down. If today is as bad as yesterday then its off to the doc I guess. Also TVT was working - I have been a mad knicker sniffer since having the ops - checking for wee all the time just in case it didnt work. So I am sure it worked but this last few days, along with the pain has been some dribbling .Noooooo!!!! I am, as you can imagine, desperately hoping the dribbling and the pain are tied up and will both disappear as quickly as they arrived. Am terrified.
Kopgirl, I have had the same ops and am coming up to 12 weeks. I am back at work and wish I wasn't. I still have to take it easy and still get pains. I think your doc has given you good advice, and if you can stay of for 3 months, then do. Whatever you do, make sure you rest and take it easy for the first 6 weeks at least.
Re PMS oh yes, I turn into a nasty mean old woman, no idea how the DH or kids put up with me. As soon as I come on then its like a sigh of relief, ahh that's better and I am nice again.
Footle that is really interesting the pains being nerves healing. That is what I have had, sudden intense pain here or there for all these weeks, gradually decreasing in severity and frequency over the 11 weeks. Not yet gone but much less now than it was at say 6 weeks.
Re sleeping, to start I could only sleep on my back so had to use a combination of pillows to stop me turning over in my sleep. Eventually (months) I could sleep on my left side. I still cant sleep on my right side without getting pain where the TVT is, after less than a minute. It's possible that my current pains are from sleeping on my side by accident. I have just rigged up the pillows again so maybe that will sort things over a few days.
Dawn am loving the new name!! Sorry to hear you are feeling so low, just a few more days, and out the other side of this period and you will feel so much better!
Flowers I hope you are feeling a bit better.
Thanks for all the support re the work stuff, you're all right, sometimes the money isn't enough to stay somewhere and be unhappy. It's stressful though, even tho I am sure leaving is the right thing to do, DH gets out of the army after 22 yrs in August, so come Sept we will both be out of a job argh...! Scary.
sorry for long post! xxx
Missing that is terrible about the TVT. I think I am more fortunate than you as I have not had the pain you have and so far no unexpected weeing. I also do have times where the weeing is not so slow, I am almost normal there. I sure hope the pain subsides and with that, everything works again like it's supposed to.
In regards to your job, I don't know what the employment situation is like in the England, but here in Alberta, there aer jobs out there if you want them. If that is the case there, is it possible for you to search for other work without quitting your job and then when you find one, just give you notice. I have been through real hard financial times and my husband and I both were jobless for a stint three years ago. He and i worked for the same company and I was being sexually harrassed by an employee there. He would stalk me out in the parking lot, phone me 6 ties a day at home. He grabbed my but and crouch. It was brutal, he even propositioned me for sex. It went on for 9 months. I reported this to my supervisor several times, yet she would do nothing about it. My husband got upset and demanded that something get done. Three days later we were both fired. We launched a human rights complaint and it cost the company $5000. Needless to say though, we were unemployed. After the investigation of the coworkers misconduct he was found to be guilty and then he was also let go. We never got our jobs back. I ended up selling homemade soap and body butters at farmer's markets to make money, I did that for 6 months. I did odd photography jobs and painted houses. We are doing much better now though. Good luck with whatever decision you make. I really hope you feel better soon and start getting some well deserved rest. [smilel]
wow that must have been a tough time! In the UK you would not have got such a raw deal (I think). I am going to take the deal as if I go now, I get a pile of cash for going.
I am going to focus on this whole TVT area being pain free and it all working... time to harness the power of the universe etc, and stop worrying..!
Wow dawn that is terrible! Didn't you get any compensation from them for firing you? It IS tough finding work here in England, I have found there are jobs out there if you look very hard but they seem to get many more applicants so competition much more fierce. I have applied for 20-30 since I found out I was being made redundant and have only had 2 or 3 interviews from all of them, many have never even emailed to say I was unsuccessful, just nothing.
I would imagine also if Missing agrees to the redundancy package it would go ahead on their timescale regardless of whether she has another post or not (sorry to talk about you as it you are not here missing), but yes, she could certainly start looking from now and see what is out there, that is what I did
What line of work are you in missing? I worked in housing and have no desire to go back to it (social housing) so am trying to change paths into marketing. I would really really prefer to work form home for myself doing website work/online marketing and since the op have been doing voluntary for my sister's photography business and a social enterprise I know. If I am successful for them I may consider launching, but its scary. Finding it hard to balance my time between getting the voluntary experience I need and applying for jobs. Howevers as long as jobs are in marketing and 'around' my former salary I would be happy to take them but not sure if I have a chance of getting anything.
Ladies I hope everyone is feeling ok. Missing I am so sorry to hear your TVT is playing up. I really hope it settles back down. Loved your comment re knicker sniffing, yep that is me too checking for infection!! Haha the things this op reduces us to! Do go back to your gp tho if today isnt better. As I said above I weirdly find stress of any kind makes my pains worse so maybe if you are a bit anxious re the work situ it is contributing somewhat? Don't you have your hols soon too? I am so looking forward to mine! It will also be easier hopefully once your hubby gets released, at least then you will have him around. Lots of changes occurring for you tho, even when change is good is is still somewhat difficult adjusting.
Ladies there is a full moon eclipse tomorrow and things will feel tense for next few days, so take it easy. Lots of treats, painkillers and rest. And stay away from the darkness xox
ah dont worry about me, I am always lucky so the work thing will all be for the best I am sure. I work part time, that is the humdinger. If I was fulltime I could get a job no prob as I have some very useful skills, however if I worked fulltime I would be unwell, I have a crap thing called fibromyalgia that makes me ridiculously tired, so part time is the most I can do. I am sure DH will get a fab civvie job and I will be a kept woman har har and in the mean time I will buy more lottery tickets.
Flowers that is horrible that no one replies to your applications, that's just bad manners.
I love this site, who else could I talk to about knicker sniffing, and Dawn I believe it was you who was talking about crying over BM - I bet there is no one on this thread who hasn't done that, but it's not something we can talk to RL friends and family about is it?
Maybe it is stress related, as I am madly stressed right now. Covered in psoriasis that came out when I thought I was going back to work at 6 wks post op, not sleeping, worrying about DH becoming a civvie, downstairs loo has leaked and ruined flooring (dealing with insurance company) and have a citalopram prescription in the drawer that I am considering filling. A good friend is urging me to take them as she says she can see that I am not myself, but I am loathe to as its hard to come off them. Maybe if I just sign the paperwork and find myself a meditation class the pains will ease off...!?!?!
Flowers I got something i the post today, it might be up your street, www.secretvideo.co.uk I havent looked it up yet, but I think this is stuff you can do from home, online stuff etc its a man called nigel botterill setting up these franchises. I will be looking into it myself when I get some time
Morning ladies , I am so sorry if i caused any offence by posting in Caps , it is my ignorance i am afraid !!! I have never been on a forum before and was unaware of the etiquette , I am sorry if i offended anybody as I did not intend to shout or be rude!! I am very embarassed and feel so bad about this .
I am a few pounds lighter today as fluid is going slowly thank goodness!!! I am having trouble sleeping last few nights lots of pressure and awful back ache. I cannot get comfy on either side as my tummy feels fit to burst!! I am sleeping propped on 4 pillows not ideal but am getting a couple of hours sleep.
Rect I feel for you re BM , I am sitting here now and feels as if I need to go but it hurts soooooo much!!!! My poor husband is a saint I rant all the time I think it is in the main frustration as I am so not used to being so pathetic!!!
I hope you feel better soon.
Thanks missing, I will check it out.. I just cant believe how fast the days go when not in work! Eg today, it is 12.20pm and I am still sitting here in pj's, havent eaten yet or.. (ashamed to admit) even so much as brushed my teeth! This is why full time work again scares me as where would I fit it in?!? Missing, sorry you have that condition, don't know what it is but it sounds pretty rough on you. I am sure your DH will get a job in no time and then yes, you can be a lady who lunches! Don'y know what to say about the script.. its difficult one, maybe if you sort the work situ the stress will ease and you wont need it
Kopgirl, no worries, we were all new once but now we are accustomed to talking about anything and everything and you can too, we are not offended, you are welcome here so keep coming on.. Glad you feel better today and bit lighter, I wish my big preggers looking tummy would disappear but its not showing any signs of budging anytime soon! Sorry your not getting much quality rest. Why does it hurt to go BM? Are you taking softeners? Putting it off doesnt sound good to me tho
Anyway better go ladies and at least clean my teeth before tea time haha
have told boss I am going to take package...feel like a massive weight off shoulders, literally. I must have been scrunching up. Now, lets see if the stress falls off and the fanny pains start to ease off/healing speed up...
I am worried about BLUE do you think she has had to go back in??
I will be a lady that eats marmite sandwiches and feeds the kids beans on toast every night. Have given kids the options, money and me working, or hardly any money and no hols etc, but me at home, and all my house jobs done while they are at school, so me picking them up with time to spend with them, they both unanimously voted no money and more money...they are fab (age 5 and 8)
meant no money and more mummy argh
Missing - Have a htink about working from home. Is there anything that you really enjoy doing? Do you have any creative skills? Are you good at sales?
I trained at Uni in Hotel & Restaurant Management and spent years working in the industry. My hubbie and I would hardly ever see each other due to my daft shifts and I would sleep and eat at the most odd times!
It eventually got the point where I would wake at 8am and spend all day dreading going to work at 5pm! I loved the people I worked with but hated the politics, grief from head office and the drunks that would show up at 11pm to hasstle me!!!
After child number 2, whilst on maternity leave, I bought some beads from a local shop and strung a few together and make a couple of necklaces. Then a couple more and ended up with 20. Then I thought hard and bought a couple of strands of pearls of ebay and made a couple more!
Hubbie then told me it was getting silly andI had to try selling them as I couldn't start filling the house with jewellery. Well, to cut a long story short it is 7 years later and I am buying pearls by the hundred and have made over 10,000 pieces of jewellery!!!(I number them!).
It does not make me a lot of money, my hubbie (working as a civie for the MOD) supports us and I pay for what I can (mobile phoe bills, car payments, treats etc). And you know what, getting out of restaurants was the best thing I have ever done!
I LOVE MY JOB!!!
SOmetimes it is a little difficult to motivate myself but I work damn hard when the orders come in and slack off a little when I am not needed! I choose my hours, sometimes just working in the evenings, sometimes at weekends and when the boys are at school! Ideally I would like to be making more money but this work suits me!
With my headaches, PMT & IBS it would be a nightmare getting up early every day and doing 9-5 (I never really had illnesses when I was younger) and so I love working to my own hours.
Missing is there anything like you would like ot try? Jewellery, arts & crafts, selling something like Avon (probably not much income), Pampered Chef, Partylyte candles, Body Shop, Vigin Vie? I would avoid any 'money making' schemes as they are normally too good to be true! But something established may be a good idea.
Oh crap I'm late for school!
Anyway, my main advice is to start off small. I only put about £100 in to my business to start with and did it a little at a time, make some money, buy more stock etc.....If I had need to invest say, £500 or more to start with I would have been too scared!
Right, go to go!!!!
Oh what nice children - what a great vote of confidence ! So pleased you've said yes to the package and feel so much better. Of course stress makes everything worse.
Kop I was worried after commenting on your loud typing, really no reason why I should , no reason why you shouldn't write in foot-high squirly font if you want. Please excuse me , I was rude, you weren't.
Re BMs , what are you taking to soften them ? I'm taking Movicol on prescription and have been told I'll probably always need it. I take a sachet a day in the morning, another at night but I hardly ever need that now ) and I also sprinkle ground flaxseed on one meal a day , usually with yogurt and fruit. Movicol tastes revolting but in a bland sort of way , and I have it with not much water , breathe out and swallow it fast. I also eat a lot of veg and drink quite a bit of water, herb tea , and at least one cup of nice coffee a day. Hope you have something to help - if not , ask the GP - the last thing you want is to get constipated again. Once you've started pooing regularly it gets less scary though i wouldn't say it's fun yet ( 5 weeks tomorrow ) but then it's been grim for years and it's better than it was.
Jewel, I was wondering the same thing about Blue . Hope you'll let us know how you are very soon, Your Blueness.
The thing about nerves healing - the same happens if you get diabetic neuropathy , ie nerves starting to die , and then get better control of your blood sugar - for a while your feet or whatever start to hurt worse as the nerves 'wake up' , then they repair themselves. I haven't been as ill as that though. Touch wood i won't be.
Dawn / Rect / Likea , what a horrible story , an employment nightmare for the whole family. You've certainly earned your better situation. I know firsthand how these things affect you - just tried to write about it in a neutral way but gave up !
Thanks Jewel, lots of things to think about. I am just going to give us the summer, as DH is off all of August and worry about it in Sept. I am an accountant, so altho its dull, I am pretty sure I can do some private work to fill the gaps, altho it wont be the same as earning a salary.
am hoping Blue is ok ......... ?
Yes where's Blue???? Sending positive vibes to the universe for her.
Missing, good for you with your package. Sometimes just making a decision can be a relief in itself. Let the healing begin When I did work markets selling soap, I met so many vendors that had great careers, making lots of money, but the stress and unhappiness got to them, they started marketing, much in the was Jewel started. All of them very successful and happy. A guy from England in fact Alan Irving, he sells homemade berkshire pork products, gluten free, he and his wife are just loving what they do, make a great living. One woman in particular Her name is Trish, she is a single mom, she made jewelery (Bejeweled, her company name) she quit her 9-5 stress job, she has great marketing skills and talent. She now works as a silversmith/jewelery creator and only works the summer markets and makes her entire living for the year from the 6 months at market sales, spends the winter creating and has one BIG sale for Christmas where she makes $10,000 in one weekend. That is huge financial success and at the same time, she is super happy. I am not as motivated as she is, but for anyone who is, the sky is the limit. Just thought I would share this story for the benefit of Flowers and Missing, you can do what ever you put your mind to. I believe in you both!!! Jewel has great advice for starting up if you choose that route.
Footle, yah the job loss thing over the harassment was awful and it consumed me at times and I was so angry. I eventually stopped feeling sorry for myself and tried to do something about it. Laws here are not great for that kind of thing. We were lucky to get a settlement at all, many cases don't ever have merit, but ours did. My husband filed a complaint as well as his grounds were that he was fired for being married to me. The company had to pay for more than just our settlement amount, they had to pay for a lawyer and an investigator and I am sure that would have amounted to over $10 000 more. The investigation went on for over 18 months. A coworker of mine was questioned and she shared that she also was victimized by the same person in the same manner as I, but wouldn't speak up for fear of losing her employment also. Glad that is over and we are where we are today and a little wiser.
I am very tired today, slept only an hour and still have the headache and have had the worst period I have had in a long time. I have been passing large clots like crazy for some reason, I don't know why that is? I am weeing a lot, so the water retention is subsiding and with that, the headache and joint pain should also, then I will be able to sleep.
So much posting today from everyone, last week I was worried everyone was done with mumsnet and all healed and now I can hardly keep up with the posts. It's great, I like to hear from you.
Have messaged Blue on everyones behalf (hoping an email may get through to her if she hasn't got time to go online) wishing her well and telling her we are concerned not to have heard from her for a while.
Thank you Em - I thought if we all shouted really loud ..
Hi; I'm new to this thread - am on waiting list for TVT as my pelvic floor muscles and nerves were totally destroyed during exceptionally long 2nd stage labour and forceps delivery, leaving me with severe stress incontinence.
Can any of you kind ladies tell me what can I realistically expect from this operation and chances of improvement? I really really need this operation to work as I cannot bear the thought of being incontinent for the rest of my life (if that wasn't bad enough am also bowel incontinent thanks to 3c tear caused by forceps). And does anyone have any experience of whether nerve damage is an indicator to the success of the procedure?
Thanks for your help!
Hey Doombar. I'm afraid my surgery was no tthe same so I can't help you with this one but just wanted to say and welcome you to the forum. I know aome of the girls had similar ops to the one you are talking about so I know they will have lots of info for you shortly!
Sorry to hear that things are so bad for you but you are on the right track to making a change and getting sorted out!
Goodness my typing is terrible! Sorry! Typing in the dark! It's DVD night! LOL
Dear DB , that's a hell of a thing you're going through. My op was straightforward compared with that , but as Jewel says , others here have had problems more like yours - Jobo, are you still around ?
I've heard people confined to wheelchairs say they would choose continence over being able to walk : what you are feeling must be so hard to cope with. Have you got a very young child ? Have you got a consultant you trust and can talk to easily ? You have a lot of questions that will be particular to you and probably some of them won't be answered until you've had the op and the surgeon has seen it all properly.
I'm not sure I understand your last question though ..
Welcome DoomBar. So sorry to hear what is happening to you right now.
I am not certain of your question regarding the nerve damage portion of it. Are you saying that the nerve damage has caused you lack of feeling in that area and with that, can you feel the urge to go to the bathroom?
Now I can tell you this much pertaining to me. I am a 45 year old mother of 6 vaginal births and now 4 weeks post op for a cystocele, rectocele and TVT. I had incontinence, but not as severe as you, I could feel when my urine leaked out. I wasn't able to have a bowel movement without splinting ( putting your finger in your vagina and pushing the stools out from there along the posterior wall) and I never had the urge to have a BM. The cystocele repair was to stop the bladder from bulging into the vagina as it was causing me to feel like I had to pee during sex. What I can tell you right now is, all was a success.
The TVT was a mesh tape that is put in through the vagina at the sight of the urethra and then slung around through to the groin area where you will have two small incisions. This supports the urethra because the ligaments have either stretched way to much or completely came off where they used to be. With this urethral support you can control urine flow and it prevents it from just coming out whenever it pleases. All my surgeries were done vaginally, they all took a total of two hours, I had a spinal block with slight sedation, so I was awake. This was a good experience for me and it made recovery great. Had total pain relief for 20 hours after op. I was still able to walk and feel my legs though. Recovery for me has been fairly easy, I feel almost 100% again. I am still to rest and take it easier than normal, but all is well. Here is a link to a news clip talking about the stress incontinence and the procedure they have developed to fix it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjpJbzJmLBQ There are videos on youtube that show these types of surgeries, but they're not for the squeamish. I watched them all before I had my ops and I was glad that I did.
When might you be going for surgery? Hopefully soon! I waited only 2 months to get in after I finally made my decision. I suffered for 6 years because I was embarrassed to talk about it and I really didn't know what was wrong. Then I was afraid to have the ops, but so glad I did and don't know what I was so afraid of. The only thing I can't report on yet is sex. I am not to have sex yet, but I am supposed to start stretching the vagina because it is really tight and intercourse would be impossible right now. Have a good evening.I hope this information helps you. If you don't mind my asking, how old are you and how many kids did you have?
Hi DB, I had I think similar surgeries to what you will need. I am assuming you will have more than the TVT?
I had TVT for pretty bad stress incontinence, plus posterier repair (to sort out your rectocle, ie BM problems, altho being a bit thick I hadn't realised there was a problem there, so mine wasn't as bad as yours for sure) and also found out afterwards that my pelvic floor had been pretty much ripped in half by the
big heaaded bastards darling babies so they repaired that at the same time - sounds like you will be needing those same three things??
Mine was a 2.5 hour surgery under a general, and I am now 12 weeks post op.
Re the posterier repair and pelvic floor repair, I am sure that is a 100% success thing, ie it's structural and no reason for that not too work....as long as you are able to rest and let everything heal post op.
Re the TVT there are %, ie it works for most but for a few its not 100% effective - but I can't remember the %s. Dawn, do you have those around somewhere, I am pretty sure you know everything. I truly believe you are omniscient. I am hoping mine has worked, but have yet to try out the trampoline.
If you are having the same surgeries, your greatest issue is post op - ie you MUST do nothing for a few weeks, no lifting, not even a kettle. And you will not be back to normal for 3 months, ie you will have to take it slow, no big exercising, no lifting heavy things etc, as otherwise you can ruin the work done in the surgeries, so you will need to make sure you schedule the ops for the time when you can arrange help with things.
Hello ladies, I am just getting up for the day as it is 8 am here.
Missing I do happen to know the % of success for TVT it is 85% and of the 15% left, there are half that have improvement and the remainder have no change at all. Well I am flattered you think I know a lot, I guess my brain retains a lot of info whether it is useful or not. Good that you clarified for DB that she will need help and time to recover as well as plenty of rest, I kind of forgot about and failed to mention it. You are so right about resting, as it is a big part of success for these kinds of surgeries.
I still have my period and am bleeding so much and it just goes on and on, never had this bad of a period before. It finally dawned on me why I might be bleeding so much, when i was discharged i was told to take iron supplement because of low hemoglobin. I have not taken the iron because of the liklihood it will cause constipation. I could not take that chance, so instead I am exhausted, pale and bleeding like a stuck pig. I am still afraid to deal with the constipation. I know that when I was pregnant I was supposed to take the prenatal vitamins, but every time I did the iron caused constipation so badly and no amount of dynamite would stop it, so I ended up taking regualr vitamins to get through the prenancy. I did not tell my dr I wasn't taking the iron, thought I would wait and see how I got along in time, but now I am concerned. What would you ladies do in my case?
Well i must go now, i am so tired and want to have a morning nap.
have a great day!
either take the iron and piles and piles of laxative -ish food, or eat the foods with iron, ie spinach, sesame seeds, red meat and so on. For absorbing iron you should not have tea or coffee half an hour before or after each meal (it prevents iron uptake) and if you have vitamin C (eg orange juice) with the iron rich foods, it assists uptake.
oh and drink LOTS xx
Chick peas ( hummus ), other pulses , dried apricots & peaches , all give you iron without constipating. I just did a search for Floradix and it looks as if you can buy it in Canada - it's a gentle-acting tonic that contains various vits and mins including what's supposed to be a good dose of iron. Recommended by many practitioners I worked with , and it helped me , though I remember a doctor telling me if it claimed to be a "gentle" form of iron it must be rubbish because iron just IS nasty to take. But something got my Hb count back up , and it wasn't the dr's prescription because I didn't take it.
Thanks Missing and Footle for the thoughts. I do eat loads of spinach, just love it. I have spinach in the garden now, ready to eat, so there is plenty for me now. The iron the doc prescribed has added vit c in it. I bought them when I got out of hospital, but was too scared to take it. I think I will eat the iron enriched foods as I am having a hard time right now keeping constipation at bay with all that I do. I have a fiber supplement that you put in a drink and 2 scoops is 48% of your daily fiber intake, plus the loads of water to drink with it. I have been taking 3 scoops and 6 glasses of water. In addition to that, I eat everything with whole grains, no white flour stuff. Bran muffins with raisins, baked beans which is also incredible fiber intake, salads and veggies, prune juice and still take the stool softeners 3/day. 2 days ago I decided to take senna to move the bowels and can you believe that I was constipated yesterday, to the point that I thought I was going to have to go to the hospital and have it removed by cesarean. I had the worst BM I have had in a long time. Good news is after the hard stools passed, came softer ones. It is my damn hormones that does this and I don't know what to do about that. This is why the iron scares the crap out of me, haha too bad it didn't really work like that and actually scare it out. I don't drink tea or coffee, pretty much a water person. I have lost 15 pounds in the last 2 months eating like this. That is a good thing really, it just goes to show how much diet change I had with all this. I just wish my fricken bowels would work already. You ladies are absolutely right in what you say, I just wish I knew it would all work, perhaps I need more fiber for some reason. My first BMs were so soft right after surgery and now not so good.
My husband loves hummus, I should make some and dip whole grain tortilla chips into it. Floradix, I will look for it. How long did it take for your Hb count to go up? I can tell I have not really improved much since surgery. I am pale as a ghost and when I pull down on the bottom of the eye to see the tissue there, it is hardly even pink there. I used to be so healthy that way and now I am afraid I look anemic. Sorry for whining so much about this, I am frustrated to say the least and tired of being tired. I got up this morning from a 9 hour sleep and then stayed awake for an hour and slept 4 more hours. I have lived on 6-7 hours of sleep most of my life.
Well I guess I better make a decision about the iron and get on with it. Thanks so much for your advice and thoughts. Have a good evening.
Oh that's weird, I posted a reply a couple of hours ago but it's not here. Perhaps it was not worthy..
Honestly? I think you should take the iron. If you are bleeding heavily you will be very anaemic (sp?!). Get some glycerine suppositries from the chemist and stick one of them up! Or buy a home enema (sp?! again) kit.
Are you bleeding more and longer than normal Dawn? I founf this time, if anything mine was a bit lighter and despite the horrific-not-you-over-with-a-feather pain my period seemed managable this time.
Would a low hemaglobin cause you to bleed more? Surely there is only a certain about of menstrual bood in your womb to come out? Your period doesn't take blood from anywhere else in your body does it?!
The tiredness will definately be due to your period. You have maybe had bad ones before but this time you are more likely to notice and highlight it because we are all watching everything that happens down there, plus the extra pain wil have knocked you sideways - I told you that mine made me physically sick!
I am sure if you go to the docs he is going to tell you to take the iron and probably wont come up with any other options!
I know its scary re BMs. I don't believe that you could/should be doing anything else regarding your diet as I can't see any way you can add more fibre etc!!!
Sorry I can't be more helpful Dawn, I really wish I could. Try the iron and see what happens. Spend your period in bed if you have to. Hopefully (for both of us) this bad period will be restircted to our first post op and the rest will be normal again!
Footle, too bad your post didn't make it, you're right that is weird.
Jewel, I am not sure if menstrual blood is exclusive to the womb. I know that friends of mine who had frequent periods and bled a lot during those times, ended up anemic and eventually had hysterectomies. Re: constipation, I have used the glycerine suppositories a few times since the op and they help sometimes. My husband thought like you, I should try taking the iron and see what happens. He noticed how tired I am , so much more than my usual self for sure. I was going to start taking it tonight at bedtime, but I feel so sick right now, so I will have to wait. I am nauseated for some reason and have discomfort in my right side under the rib cage into my back, this is what nauseates me. I am feeling rather panicky about this as I don't understand why I feel so ill and I think I am getting depressed a bit too. Not sure why I would be depressed, but I have noticed my lack of enthusiasm to see people. My friends want to get together and do things, but I am just not interested. I want to just stay home and keep to myself, I only want to see my husband and children. I am going out Friday night to an outdoor event and it is freaking cold here these days, so not sure how that will go. I am a bit apprehensive about going to this as it is an event for my friend Tuck that passed away from colon cancer in January. It was his would be 29th birthday yesterday and his wife has planned a fundraiser for cancers below the waist in his honour on his birthday. I am afraid I will go there and just cry, I am in that kind of mood lately. I feel it would be so awkward for me to be crying and it would look like I was a drama queen or something. I need to go as I am bringing food, but how long to stay, I don't know. I feel selfish for thinking this way. Oh I am just such an idiot these days, my feelings are all messed up. I never seen this coming, I really thought I was doing great and breezing through this, but I took a wrong turn somewhere and am a bit lost right now. Thanks again for the advice.
Has anyone out there felt this weird afterwards? Someone out there, I think it might have been Missing thought they might be depressed too. What clued you in to that possibility? Good night, I am heading to sleep now.
Dawn , I'm sure it's part of the recovery. I'm feeling much worse about some of my usual sadnesses at the moment , like after having a baby, it feels as if your skin is thinner and everything is harder to deal with.
Sorry not much time to post just now. Re the nausea and pain in your side - you don't have gallstones do you ? But more likely liver protesting at the drugs you've had - or just general angst making you hurt here and there at random ? Sad time for you , but it will help Tuck's family to see you.
Right come on Dawn. Emily's tough love time. Get your arse in gear woman. You need to get yourself out of it before you get too deep. The good sign is that you are talking about it with us. It's when you go quiet or tell us that everything is tickety boo that we need to worry!
START forcing yourself to go out. I read on that leaflet about recovery that you must get up and showered and dressed so that you feel better about yourself. If you are feeling tired and bit fed up having tatty hair and being in your baggies isn't going to help. It takes a whole lot of effort, but just trying REALLY hard for 10 minutes can make the whole day better.
Mentally you are good Dawn. Don't worry about it. You're head is where it should be and it's screwed on the right way. Physically you need to keep an eye on it and dont let any of your sypmtoms get too bad before you go and see the doc.
Thank you for talking to us about this Dawn. Period hormones for some people can be hellish at the best of times and I think we now have evidence that post op they can be even worse. But you can get through this Dawn.
You are clever, pretty, have a great hubbie and a new vagina! Sieze that day my girl. Life is for living and you need to grab it by the balls and make the most of it!!!
One more bit of advice Dawn (TMI WARNING!!!)
As soon as your period finishes sort out some intimate time with hubbie.
I did a couple of days ago (with MY hubbie not yours) and we had a lovely night! We did everything that we normally did minus any sort of penetration - Sorry I DID warn you - and it was wonderful. It felt so normal to be intimate with him again and stopped me worrying about him wanted to go off somewhere and find it (yes I know but I get paraniod!!). It was so romantic and loving and despite not ending up finishing the normal way it was great. And I felt really close to him and it was wonderful to know that certain parts of my body still worked the way that had pre-op.
Appologies to anyone if I have offended you by talking about sex but I think for us ladies who have had work done 'down there' it is an importat part of recovery and if you are able, I think you shouldn't simply wait for 8 weeks with no intamacy and then suddenly try to get back to normal straight away. And TBH not being able to have 'proper sex' opens up a lot more closeness as you aren't simply working towards that final goal!
Again, sorry, just trying to be helpful!
Footle - I too had thoughts about gall bladder pain. I had problems with mine for 10 years before they worked out what it was and removed it!
Dawn, not wanting to add to your worries but keep your eye on that particular pain. I can best describe it as a sharp pain, on the right hand side that was just up under my ribs and spread around to the back. At it's worst (when I was passing stones) the pain ws the worst I have ever had (having children was nothing on this!) and it lasted for about 8 hours (steadily getting worse and coming in waves similar to labour in that they got closer together and more painful) The worst time I ended up on my hands and knees sobbing with a really tight feeling across my chest. As I say I had it for years before i was diagnosed so it is something that youcan have for a while before it becomes critical.
The pain got so bad that I used to make my self sick simply because the process of being sick took my mind off the pain for a few minutes!!
Please don't think that this is what it is, but just kep it in the back of your mind and keep your eye on it and keep a diary for a few months if necessary. I used to suffer maybe once a month.
Well, I hope that as you are reading it you feel refreshed from managing to get back to sleep!
Hi again everyone, I am up already. I didn't sleep well, kept tossing and turning with discomfort. I have that damn headache back again too. Honestly it just plain pisses me off. My dr says that I suffer from what is called cluster headaches. They come on and when they go away you think that is it and then suddenly you have it back just as bad as it was, but at the same time they only come on during my period. I had this very headache on April 15th, 16th and 17th. I remember this specifically because it was hubbys birthday on April 16th. I had it on May 16th, 17th, 18th and the morning of my surgery the 19th. Now here we are at June 14th, 15th, 16th had a bit of a break and 17th.
Well about the pain under the ribcage, I never thought gallbladder, but I did wonder if my liver was mad or if it was my kidney. Gallbladder makes more sense though and I have had this pain before on several occasions, but this time it was worse in the way that I felt more nauseated. I did eat a more fatty meal last night, curry sauce with a coconut milk base and maybe that, if it was gallbladder made things act up. I will keep an eye on it.
I know I need to get out, but now with this headache issue, today I am doomed. I can't drive like this and my husband is worried about that too. He is going to see about moving some of Charity's stuff in tomorrow instead, of me taking it there today. There is not a lot of time today as our whole family is going to Tuck's fundraiser at 6:00 pm and Charity is done work at 2:30 pm. I certainly was excited to see her apartment, but I can see it tomorrow.
Emily I can certainly appreciate your tough love and understand it as well. I really do need to get out, but for today, like I said, the headache has taken over for the time being. I would love to have some intimate time with my husband, I am missing him so much. I think I am worried about sex and function, it creates stress for me and I just want it all to work now, I am impatient, but your suggestion to get close without the intercourse sounds great to me. I am going to go and rest AGAIN and see if that helps.
It's called outercourse and it's jolly nice , makes all the difference and shows us both the light at the end of the , umm , tunnel ...
Dawn. Get out in the garden and see if the fresh air will help your headache, Also caffeine helps me - if I have a stonker I take a diclofenac, drink a diet coke and eat some chocolate and it takes the edge off!!! But I think a little outdoor excercise may help too. (or how about a power shower on your head? Or I use tea tree and mint shampoo sometimes as the cooling effect can help)
I sympathise 100%. My headaches are probably my number one issue (wth my bowels as a close second) as when you have a stonker you can't do a thing! My hubbies has only ever had two headaches! Yes I know it is hard to believe but it is true! He has no idea what headaches are like and so to see me limping around the house holding my head on my shoulders or finding me passed out on the sofa unable to lift my head up annoys the hell out of him. I would like, just one day for him to have an Emily special headache - just to see what it is like!!!
Anyway, sadly my husband's nan dies last night and I am preparing dinner for my mother - in - law. (time for me to repay all the favours she has done for me!)
Keep your chin up Dawn, I know it sucks BIG time sometimes but this bad patch will end, I promise
Hello girls. Sorry I have not been on here for a while. I'm being sucked back in to real life!
I have not got time to read all the posts I have missed at the moment but I hope you are all well.
I have been back in to work for a couple of meetings and to see the children and i am back properly from next Thursday. It's going to be a big shock to the system but I Hope I will cope. I just have to avoid lifting anything heavy.
I hope you are healing well xx
Dawn ,so sorry to hear you are feeling low and in pain, hugs xoxo I hope you get some peace and a good sleep over the weekend and that you get to go out tonight to your event for at least a while and have some fun.. I know how awful it is to feel like that and I did too for a while around week 3-4, thought I would never get 'me' or my life back but it will come. So sorry about your awful period too, makes me glad I had the hysterectomy and wonder why some of you other ladies didnt get one too, esp those of you who have completed your families? So obv I cant comment on that except to say i hope it is over soon and you feel ok again, hope the headache goes away too, big hugs
Jewel, so sorry to hear about your husband's nan passing away.
Yes I plan to go out for fresh air, I have been doing it everyday so far and yes it can be helpful. Well I could eat chocolate with out a problem, good idea!! I do have diclofenic, but it has not helped th headache. Funny thing, I use tea tree and mint shampoo all the time, don't know if it helps though. For me a soak in the bath with extreme hot water helps it. At first it just pounds and then it seems to subside. Now that I am not so nauseas I think I can manage some things now.
Wow your husband is lucky not to suffer from headaches, that's unreal. you should get him really drunk to the point of a nasty hangover headache and then he might sympathize with you. Does he even drink alcohol? Well you have been so kind and thoughtful. You are such a nice person, I can't thank you enough for the help and the listening ears, actually to all the ladies here listening, you're wonderful. I will let you know how the fresh air, etc. works.
Take care all!
Thanks to all of you for advice and information. I was given a leaflet at the hospital but no subsititute really for real life and real women! Virgin - I had already seen the YouTube clips - definitely not for those of a nervous disposition...
My sorry-arsed story can be pieced together on the ragged bits thread but the abridged version is that the baby (my first) was back-to-back and stuck - for most of the time I was left on my own to push for hours (despite us both being very distressed), and the reason for that was that the doctors and midwives were too busy elsewhere - I was at 2nd stage for almost 10 hours by the time the baby was born, it was too late for CS and the baby was brutally ripped from me by forceps. (So far DC is OK and has hit all the developmental milestones at the right time.) I tore badly but the OB missed the 3c tear.
I now have a small rectocele and a rather large cystocele too - i have no idea if they are going to sort those out when they do the TVT.
The nerve loss means that I am unable to manipulate my pelvic floor muscles at all - and I have virtually no voluntary control of sphincter muscles. I can't hold on to poo, and the bladder muscles are too weak to hold any volume and just simply give way on the slightest exersion. I used to be super fit but now I struggle with just gentle walking. And there is no sensation at all in my vagina - the silver lining is that I no longer get period pain - but the dark heavy raincloud is that there are no nice sensations either so I can no longer have orgasms and make love And I won't be able to have any more babies. And I lost my job too because of my incontinence, so it's all a bit shit.
OMG DB that is terrible.Have you consulted with a specialist to repair any nerve damage in that area? So you have absolutely no clitoral sensation? How old are you and do you have a husband? Do you ever feel like you want to have sex? Like if you do feel the slightest bit aroused for any reason, maybe there is hope for you. Why'd you lose your job, what happened, did you have to quit or did you get let go? I was wearing massive pads for my incontinence and that is how I lived day to day. I changed it 3x /day. If I did anything other than walk, like jumping, dancing, I would soak a pad in less than an hour. How long has it been since you gave birth? So many questions for you, just curious as maybe there is help out there?
When I was 13 years old, I was riding a bike with a friend and we were doubling. I was sitting on the seat and my friend on the handle bars. The seat of the bike broke and it caused me to slide off the bike backwards while we were travelling pretty fast. I ended up landing on the spinning tire and thrashed and bounced from the tire until the bike stopped. My jeans were of course ripped and I was bleeding heavily from the vaginal area. I had to go to hospital and I ripped all the flesh around the labia and clitoris, it ended up infected and I had a bladder infection and kidney infection. It was a mess. Well it never healed properly, the skin overlaps and healed to other parts of the skin that was damaged and I still have the scars, but I can feel stimulation. Of course I wouldn't really know about all that at 13, but obviously I recovered over time. For months I couldn't stand the thought of peeing it was so awful. I wonder if your injury could heal in time? Just a thought. Well let me know anything you wish to share.
On another note, I am still suffering from that nasty headache. I had my soak and it was just about gone, but now it lingered back to near full force again. I have been outside in the fresh air, it is tolerable at this point and I can eat now. My 18 year old daughter has just officially moved out on her own today. I am so happy for her, but sad at the same time. She is such a sweetie and I will miss her being here. Hopefully she will visit often. Her place in Edmonton is about 45 minute drive from here, so not so bad. I am going to visit her tomorrow and go grocery shopping. I think now that she has moved I feel less emotional than I did before she moved. It was perhaps part of my little depression I feel was setting in.
Footle your outercourse comment is funny.
Hi all i am a newbi. Im sooo glad i found this site. You all sound great and givin out alot of support. Which is alot more than i can say about gps- there trained robots. Even though ive had this 4 3yrs, i av only just found out wot the problem is. posterior and antierior rectocele and weakness of the pelvic floor, also evacuation problems, not incontinence. I dont have any sensation when i need the toilet and it stays in the rectum- very uncomfortable. I av a deep fear i will mess myself so i bearly go out. Also ibs and colonic inertia-- slow bowels - chronic constipation. Unable 2 take laxatives av the runs. g. supposities brought on more bowel problems. Fiber gel also worsens it. Yet i eat healthy- dont wanna get fat! Since takin lax im always goin 4 a wee, unable to retain fluid. I av been on a wild goose, with the nhs drivin me MAD. Got diagnosed i had a very rare syndrome obstructed defecation syndrome by a gasterentologist. He was TRYIN 2 palm me off with lax, i wasnt avin it. So my gp, then referred me 2 kgh 2 c a consultant who knows about this. He z i needed 2 go 2 st marks in London 4 biofeed bk. Which i did, treatment started last August. May 18th i had a proctrogram, which showed up the 2 rectoceles, pl weakness and not full evacuaction. Meanin only half the stuff they put up the bum came out. Then only 2 b told-- over the fone-- surgery wouldnt do anythin. That was my worse fear. My quality of life isnt worth breathin 4, i was devastated and burst in2 tears- i cant live like this, its impossible. Itold er i want the sugery, ive lost everythin--- it wont do anythin but bring on more problems, she is a top surgeon with plenty of experince. I only got told this on monday and thurs, thank god i found this site. It literally stopped me from havin 2 od. And i know that must sound madness, but i av been put through so much via the nhs, i was almost convinced there was nothin that could b done. Now i know different. I would like 2 say 2 flower40 thanx 4 puttin me on the right track and im glad it all turned out well 4 u. And i wouldnt worry about the molly trolley- ive been usin 1 4 ages- just easier 2 pull than carry! Sayin that it suits me age 80!!!! and just 4 the record im 48!
Hello ladies, I am back, have spent ages catching up with the news here,
I wanted to write, but felt so rough, getting upset with actually talking about it. I realise there is a big issue in the way the system has worked for me and will do something about it once I am over this.
I have been unable to contact the consultant via the ward or any of the hospitals she works at, there is no secretary, or email address. They did not approve of my asking, I did not go to the GP as i could not see the one i know. I did speak to her and booked an appointment, the earliest next week. she is popular! They were all so kind on the wad but now i feel alone< apart from you all of course. Anyone i have approached has wanted to pass me on somewhere else! This was an NHS job done at a private hospital. It is frightening to be left like this, i don't know myself anymore.
The antihystermines have helped, the itching has eased. The pain hard to control<and to ''look'' takes courage. The sutures have softened and turned white now. the ends that were simply rubbing into a good area caused infection and each suture on the exterior is infected. The what i believe is/was an allergy causing the skin to react so badly, There are holes at each point and clearly the wound has not healed due to infection and swelling. Inside remains too swollen and painful its as if i dont know any other way now. I keep the area as clean as possible, but cannot bear the thought of being examined by a medic that would not have a clue what i have been through. I am alone so no partner to support me, I am glad in a way as I feel such a mess now.
I don't have the normal sensations for when i need a wee, just go when i think i should. The BMs have not improved, i am of course unable to ''push'' for fear of the gaps opening more....
I will be over this soon i am sure, far wiser and determined noone has to have this on top of what was a tough op to face, this has not been a good experience yet we all know there are so many good results, perhaps we should invite consultants to read and learn from us.
I did get passed a phone number late today, that may be useful on Monday, i will let you know -
have a lovely weekend everyone, xx
Welcome whiffy.Too bad someone was so rude to offer you no hope of normallacy in your life. I wish everyone had my doctor. He is the best, everyone i know that sees him just loves him. He wants to help so much to improve your life. He did such a good job on my surgeries and has changed my life for the better, I am forever grateful to him. Of course there is hope out there, we live in a world where they transplant organs from one person to another, people alter their faces to look like they want, to say that you can't restore your mpelvis area is such BS. I thought I was clearly destined to wee myself and splint out every BM for the rest of my life, but that is not the case at all. I am a new woman, really I am. I am still in recovery phase, but marked improvement here!!!!! Good luck whiffy with finding a good surgeon.
Blue so glad to hear from you again. We were all worried. So sad that you have been getting the run around, what total crap! I am so thankful for the dr I have and the way the clinic is run and the hospital. I know there is help for me if I need it and right away! So you have an allergy to something, what do you think it might be, the pads? the TVT or the stitches? I am trying to remember the post you had with all the information about your troubles. How is the pain, any less or the same? Do you have any good pain killers for the time being? You say you don't have weeing sensation. Mmmm, I wonder why that is? Do you find that it is rather slow when you do go? I felt a lot different down there after my TVT as I always felt like I had to go before and after the op the urge was gone. I know now when I am full and I have really long wees now a bit slower than before, but lots. I thought for a bit that my bowels weren't working right either, but they are. I thought I was goin got have to splint a few times, but I was very patient and eventually it all worked. I have had some constipation that has been very painful and scary as I thought that I completely wrecked teh surgery, but it is still okay. Give it some time Blue, you are in rough shape right now and having a BIG set back, so you are in sense, worse than just first day post op. you must be feeling so alone right now. You poor dear, hugs out to you.xoxo Keep us posted and if you are down, post anyway. I do and I get the support I need whether it be a kick in teh ass or kind words, all is good.
I thought I would update my situation from earlier today and I am happy to report that I feel better getting out seeing people. Headache is very slight now, I'm on teh mend. Footle, Emily you were right. Went to the fundraiser BBQ and really had a good time. So happy to see all Tuck's friends and family, had great thoughts and memories of him on his Bday. Great food also, but it poured rain like I have not seen it pour before, we had soe shelter. There has been nearly $3000 raised from this group of 50 people for cancers below the waist, more money will be raised tomorrow after the underwear affair walk/run.
Have a great weekend ladies.
Flowers missed your comment earlier. Thanks for the hugs. Yes the period sucks for sure. The reason I didn't get a hysterectomy is, my uterus was the one thing that was not falling or prolapsing. Upon examination my dr pulled on the cervix to see if the uterus would move down at all. Apparently, she is tight and securely in place. Honestly can you believe that. He likes to do the non-invasive hysterectomy method where he removes it vaginally instead of cutting through the abdominals. Mine is too intact for the simple hysterectomy, so he offered me the endometrial ablation. This procedure can stop you from having a period or make them lighter, but success rate is only 44% and in some cases it can make you bleed even more. I was concerned about other factors as well, so I still bleed!! If my uterus starts to fall, I will be going in for sure. I think my period is coming to a slow now, bleeding is minimal. Glad for you that you don't have your periods, you've paid your dues. Take care.
Hi everyone, welcome Whiffy and welcome back DB and Blue. Goodness what awful stories , it's a lot to take in. I'm sorry that I have a busy weekend so just looked in to say hello ..
Blue, don't they provide for emergencies at your GP's ? YOU ARE HAVING AN EMERGENCY excuse the shouting. You can get septicaemia - blood poisoning - from uncontrolled infection. Sorry this is not comforting but I'm worried about you.
DB , is there a legal case going on after the appalling treatment you got ? I know it's exhausting even to think about but it sounds as if money would help if you can't work, and you need to know you are getting the best possible medical advice.
Whiffy, did your problems start with childbirth ? What I said to DB , then. I'm so sorry to hear these things.
Dawn glad you are better today. I'm doing very well 5.5 weeks after rectocele repair, scary BM yesterday but it worked in the end. I'm going to the GP on Thurs for a check up as I can't see the surgeon again , nervous about the speculum.
Doombar, so sorry to hear of your terrible plight and the loss of sensation, your job, health, fitness, sex life and probably sanity. I know this is not america but have you sought advice re suing the hospital where your baby was born? I dont know anything about what I am on about (if that makes any sense) except to say that it doesn't seem right that the neglect in providing care has had such awful consequences on your entire life. Anyway I do hope you will find improvement following your TVT, you sound so brave and nobody deserves to suffer like that... hugs
Whiffy, so glad you found us, I hope you keep on asking for answers and get a gynae referral, can you do some research for a gynae who has good success rates and ask to be referred to them? Keep posting and dont let them fob you off, hugs to you too
Blue, so glad to hear from you but so sorry things aren't much better and you are having such a hard time getting any assistance from the health service, that is just terrible that they leave you with nowhere to return in the event of any problems, just shocking really! Are you on anti-b's for the infection? I was prescribed metro..zole (something or other like that) for mine plus the gel but was unable to get hold of that. Gosh I do hope you get some relief too, hugs for you aswell
Virginal- So glad to hear you are feeling better and you went along to Tuck's event and had some fun, I was worried if you didnt go you would always regret it as I know you said he was a dear friend, well done x
I feel like a fraud coming on now as I truly am so much better these days and looking forward to my hols (with some trepidation) on monday, also have good news that after getting some excellent advice and making a complaint to hmrc they paid up what they owed for my daughter this week so that has been a big relief, I also got a small extra amount as compensation for their shocking customer service and endless delays and mistakes. So to anyone who is feeling low, hang in there... I was soo down in the dumps at one stage, I remember at the beginning of May I lay in bed all wknd and howled non stop and yet now I am almost back to myself and optimistic that there will be some long term improvement in my pre op condition that makes it all worthwhile.
Ladies who are struggling, my heart goes out to you and I hope you will one day reach this place where it is all a bad memory and you are moving forward again.. stand up for your rights and entitlement to decent standards of care (including aftercare..) and don't let anyone fob you off with less.
God bless all of you, prob wont be able to post next week, but all think of flowers at the beach trying to hold the jelly belly in while wearing swimming cossie and perving at the hunky waiters, no cushions or molly trollys in sight, love to you all, thank you for everything, you are all so amazing, and take care xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox
Footle, our posts crossed again, glad to hear your good and hope thurs goes ok xoxo
thanx 2 all 4 the warm welcome. Ive not had any kids. So y this happened ive no idea. I just pray when i go 2 c gynie this does get sorted, then i can move forward and rebuild my life. Has any1 else out there, had it said that surgery wouldnt do anything? I just couldnt and still cant believe that a hospital can actully leave u ljke it-- its cruel.
hi 2 all hope yor all doin good. u r all gonna think ive gone mad, but i have 2 write it anyway lol b4 i found this site i was desperate 4 sum answers- found a website 4 a private gynie. U ask the question and he replies lol anyway got a reply 2day--- Thanx. U may ring us on..... 2 make a consultation, it helps if u ask yor gp 2 referr u 4 a 2nd opinion..... does that mean i get it all FREE???????? How i would love 2 go private, they would do there best 4 me. DOOM BAR HI, boy i really do feel 4 u, im so sorry 4 wot yor havin 2 put up with. I dont know if this will help you, but biofeed is not only 4 pelvic floor exercises but also 4 evacuation problems, constipation. St marks is a top hospital 4 the bowels--- even though it didnt help me it might u. As i av evacuation problems, she was goin 2 try a self irrigation on me. It would of been 1 that i would do at home- but she z it wouldnt do anythin 4 me. As my stools r soft theres another 1 she recommended, but im refusin 2 go bk as they av refused sugery 4 the pld. So im goin 2 northampton general hospital where hopefully they can sort it all out! Google st marks and biofeed bk lorraine obrien.
personally i say give me a stoma bag and cathita with a home irrigation kit-- you are in control when u go toilet dont that sound soooo good take carex
hi DOOMBA i f yor stools r soft i av the name of the irrigation 4 u---peristeen water irrigation- google it and c wot it says fingers crossed x
Hi All, sorry not much posting, working etc doesn't give me much time for MN.
Hello to the new ladies, I am so sorry to hear what horrible problems you have had ans still are having. If you need support this is the place to be, plus you may find ladies can give practical advise on what to ask your gp/consultant etc.
Blue, OMG you need urgent attention now, please please please ring and book an emergency appt or even just go back to the hospital that treated you and refuse to leave until someone has seen you. You situation sounds positively dangerous. Please don't wait until next week.
I wanted to let you know some info received from my consultant, as I think this may apply to many ladies a few months post op. I was healing, slowly but in a positive direction, ie a little better every week. then suddenly at 11 weeks I went backwards in that I had lots of pain again, and didn't know why. This new round of sharp pain (here there and everywhere, not just one place, but mainly along the V of the TVT) has been getting slowly better. I emailed my consultant to ask whether I needed to come to see him, or was this normal. I have a few replies from him that I wanted to share....
^ ...I suspect you might simply have been overdoing it and the pain is perhaps due to a little pulling in the lower abdominal muscles. It is very unlikely that you have an infection this late after the surgery. This isnt particularly unusual as it can take up to 6 months for scar tissue and sensitivity to settle down completely....^ and also
........As it is the scars then it is very likely that you are now in the phase of nerve regeneration which is often accompanied by a few weeks of hypersensitivity. This is a quite normal part of scar healing. Sounds like there is nothing to worry about....
so.. if you suddenly get a lot of pain where your scars are (for me this is every bloody where, inside and out) that is all it is, and I am taking this as a good thing, nerve regeneration sounds good to me.
Happy Healing Ladies and Blue, please let us boss you about, please go see someone today
That's interesting, Missing , and fits with what my sister told me about sudden pains post-hysterectomy - I had the same thing when my foot healed after a bunion op , which by the way was far more painful for far longer than this repair has been for me - this has been worse in some ways , eg the invaded feeling , but better in most.
Well missing nice to hear about this delayed healing. I have been experiencing some pain in the groin and the front pubic bone of all things. I mean for the past three days, I can not even touch the pubic bone it feels bruised. It also feels like there is a pulling and bruised sensation right where I go pee. I can't explain it really, I don't think I have been over doing it, but I have been digging in the garden with a fork, so I have to jump in it to get it into the ground. My husband thought I shouldn't be doing that, but it didnt really bother me at the time. I am mostly suffering from extreme exhaustion. I mean I have never been this tired in my life. This morning after sleeping 8 hours, 7:30 am, my husband brings me a bran muffin in bed and I get up start eating it and then I wake up a bit later and the muffin is still in my mouth all soggy, so I eat it, then take another bite. The same thing happens where I wake up a bit later with it still in my mouth, this went on till 11:00 am. 5 times over. I really don't know that I am drifting off to sleep. I kam so tired that I cry over nothing really. My kids are being teenagers and creating a lot of stress for me lately. I do not have the energy to deal with them as I need to. I think I am suffering with anemia as I was supposed to take the iron supplements after surgery to get the Hb up. I thought eating foods high in iron would be enough, but maybe not. I just can't have any more constipation that I have already, so that is why I don't take the iron. I think I will have to go to my GP right away and ask him to check the CBC in my blood work and go from there. I have my appt. with my gyne/surgeon on July 6th and don't want to wait that long. I looked up anemia on the web and found out that it really is not a good thing to have. It can be dangerous because your heart has to work harder to pump blood around to get enough oxygen enriched red blood cells throughout your body. I know I would not be severe, but I don't think I am getting better. I just know I am not a tired person, never have been and if anything I have always been the type to stay up late and have so much energy, that is not me now.
Well that is my rant for now, all you other ladies suffering, please don't take NO for an answer, there is a dr out there who can help. Blue, I htink a trip to a hospital emergency is in order at this point, please go.
Yes Dawn that is it exactly, like a really horrible bruise in the front pubic bone. Its almost worse than the post op pains (clearly its no where near as bad) cos I thought I was better and my pains had more or less gone.
Strange, I'm feeling as if someone has kicked me where my bum meets my legs , both sides. Why would I feel that now and not weeks ago ?
The only change I can think of is that I'm on antibiotics for the tooth problem, my molars can't be wired up to my gluteus maximus can they ?
Well ladies I soon may have to change my nickname again as I think intercourse will be shortly in the future. My husband and I were intimate last night, we decided to use him for stretching exercises instead of cucumbers. Basically, he is just extremely patient and if it hurts he backs off. I found the most incredible lubricant ever. It is Intrigue by K-Y. It has a silicone base, when it goes on, it feels like room temperature, not cold at all and it is slippery, no stickiness at all, ever and a little goes a long way. Very neat stuff. Back to the point, he can go in but it takes a long time to get past the tight opening for about three inches, then it is smooth sailing after that. Except for the fact that he can't move or it will hurt. This is just stretching the area very carefully. All is well there so far. I can see where this will take time to be comfortable again, but there's hope at least, I mean I actually believe that it will work again. I know that dr said no intercourse until I see him again, but I don't know if this really counts as intercourse because it would be the very same thing I would be doing with stretching tools. There is nothing fast or rough about what I am doing, so I hope that it's okay. I wonder if I should just give it a rest until I see the dr in July?? Any thoughts? well must go now, off to the dr.
As long as neither of you gets carried away , it's a good plan , and one we'd been wondering about too. We got very close to making love today and apart from enjoying it at the time , I had a nasty achy feeling for a couple of hours afterwards , a bit sick , so I think it's true that even being aroused is a strain at this point for some of us. But it'll get better , won't it ?
Footle Of course it will get better
Dawn Your poor Husband - Here it is, here it is. And....STOP!!! LOL
Only kidding! I bet he is happy to see that you are on the mend and getting back to normal. On that note, how did it go at the docs? I am hoping you are home by now.............
It is my wedding anniversary tomorrow and I am wondering how to celebrate! Is it really that bad if we dont really do anything? I srously can't be bothered! I love hubbie very much and am really happy that we have beem married for 9 years but I just can't seem to keep my mind on things like organising. It is also my b'day in a couple of weeks and friends keep asking what I am doing....to be honest I am happy letting it go by! I'm not depressed or anything, quite happy actually I just can't be bothered with anything more than normal day to day!!!LOL
Blue - have you an update? I really really hope by now you have been to see a doc x
Well I am back from the doctors and he didn't really have a lot to say except that he wants me to take the iron and wait until I see my dr to assess the situation. He suggested Milk of Magnesia to help with constipation. I haven't used it before, so I will see how it goes. My blood pressure is 90/60 so a bit low. My Hg is 108 and it should be between 120 and 160. It was 150 before op. I guess I will just have to suck it up and find a way to deal with it. My husband said even just taking it every 2nd or 3rd day will be better than nothing. It is really hard to build up you Hg by diet alone. I am tired though and was told to rest, take it easy and take the iron. I will let you all know how that goes.
Footle I think in your case as you are post menopause, it is harder to recover from this op, my dr told me to have this done before I went into menopause because the tissues stretch easier because of estrogen. I can see why it is a bit slower for you, but I think you are doing amazing. Hope you have more intimate days that get better and better.
My husband is a patient man to say the least, I like him more than cucumbers anyway, so I will keep up what we are doing to ensure it stays stretched, but being very, very careful. I would say I feel a bit like Footle describes, an achy feeling down there and a bit bruised, nothing real bad though in my case. More happy that everything is accessible and working again.
I just want to clarify something. At the doctor's today, the Hg was read to me without decimal points, so normal is between 12 and 16. Mine was 15 before surgery and is now 10.8. I am considered mildly anemic at this point. That's all.
Dawn , as always you and your doctor have been very helpful. I had been going to ask the doc about oestrogen / estrogen gel in case it would help , thanks for reminding me and making me feel better about how long we have to wait !
Your Hb isn't all that dreadful but you don't want it to get any worse , mine was around 9 for ages pre menopause and I had no energy ; like you I had trouble taking normal iron as I explained.
Em, Happy Anniversary whatever you decide to do or not do about it. xx
Dawn re the iron, when PG my iron went down from 15 to 11. The GP said not really anemic, dont worry about it. The midwife said argh, its a big drop, and no ownder you feel like shite, and quickly got me an iron prescription. Which worked fab, as I have cast iron guts I took the max dose without any really probs (just black poo). So they might say barely anemic, but if you were 15 before, it explains why you feel awful and you really really need to get your Hg back up by whatever means works for you.
Em happy anniversay!. DH had his 40th just after my op and we didn't bother much (just as well as he put his back out on the day and we had to call an ambulance for him, oh happy memories...) I think it's quite reasonable to just swap cards and be happy without having to go mad with organised celebrations.
Footle no idea what that pain is have you been doing something odd? Gardening? Maybe moving in a way to avoid straining your underneath and strained your gluts?
have a nice day ladies (PS just posted off my redundancy forms so am feeling very pleased - that's it, its done now)
Well done Missing ! I'm proud of you .
thanks Footle. Feeing very odd, have been there 10 years but it feels like a lifetime.
Blue where are you? How are you?
May I join in please? Been reading your collective wisdom for a few weeks now as I had a vested interest. I haven't gone through some of the more complicated ops you have all had but did have a TVT last Monday (20th) and wondered if I could pick your brains please?
I'm one of the grannies on here, been reading Mumsnet since I became a Gran 7 years ago.
Been putting off having TVT for about that long too. Finally plucked up courage but am currently wondering if it's not worked or even if I have made it worse
Still getting some leaking as I am about to go and now I seem to have an overactive bladder as well. Keep telling myself it's early days but after waiting so long to make up my mind about this op and using savings to go privately as the surgeon was recommended, I'm feeling very low.
Sorry to join in with such a whinge, as some of you seem to have much bigger things to contend with.
Hi Everglades from another woman with grandchildren , nice to meet you . I didn't have TVT but someone who did should be along soon and will be more help. As it's so recent, you should be able to ring the ward and ask what they think. Yes it is early days and I don't know what you should expect at this stage after your particular op , but you must be feeling horrible after the wait and the expense .Your problem is as real and as much of a problem as anyone else's.
Thanks Footle, appreciate the sympathy. I'm being a bit pathetic today as I had been so uncertain about having this op, hence the wait and now feel maybe I made the wrong decision.
I think I just need to wait it out and see what happens but that's often the hardest thing to do, isn't it?
Honestly womens' 'bit's are not well designed, are they?
Hi there everglades, welcome and yes I know how you feel. Some times I think the TVT has worked well sometimes I think it hasn't worked at all, I am 12 weeks post op. I do believe its a long recovery and you go through stages, so you just cannot tell for sure till everything is properly healed up. If you scroll back up there is a post by LikeAVirgin that gives the stats on TVTs effectiveness. It may be a case of retraining ourselves as to knowing when to go etc.
Also I have had some weeks of overactive bladder and then it goes, I think its just the body messing about, getting used to the TVT, recovering from the op and so on, and refuse to believe that any ineffectiveness that I have at the moment is permanent
Have rectocele. I was on the old thread, where I decided not to go down the surgery route as my LO is less than a year and no way I could rest for the recovery time. So leaving it a few years.
I'm almost too embarrassed to ask this, even on here....TMI warning!
When I try to have a bowel movement, I have to 'splint' by putting my finger into my vagina and pushing. Its now getting to the stage where (I can't believe I'm typing this!) I can't get my fingers up high enough to push everything out. So, I'm left with the heavy not empty feeling.
Most of the month I'm okay with this, but when I'm on, I feel like someone has kicked me up the bum! - a dull heavy ache.
Thanks Missing for your welcome. 12 weeks post op and you're still not sure! Guess I have to be patient for quite a while yet then. I read LikeAvirgin's percentages but we all want to be in the successful bit of the numbers, don't we? My surgeon has been doing TVTs for 12 years and has a documented success rate of 93 percent. But not totally sure what he counts as success.
Know of about 4 people who have had it done in the last two years and one is now on permanent abs and the other 3 are doing well and reckoned they felt totally dry immediately and of course I was hoping to be in their gang
Anyway, will shut up now and keep hoping. many thanks for all the info to all on here.
Sounds like the rectocele may have got bigger , higher up. We have most of us been through this sort of thing , don't think twice about posting. Are you taking any medication to help empty your bowel ? It sounds as if you need it. I take Movicol on prescription and I've been told I will probably always need it ( sorry if you've read this before, I seem to keep saying it ). I need one sachet a day because it's really important for me never to go a day without a BM - if I get to the evening and haven't had a BM, I take another sachet before bed and I 'go' in the morning. It's not very nice to take but it works : I find it is least vile in a small quantity of water , say about a mustard-jar full , and i run the water cold as it's horrid if it's tepid. Without this I'd be in a hell of state and the operation would have failed.
Sorry Everglades, I was posting to Mrs B while you were posting to Missing.
I went to the GP today, 6 weeks post op. She was surprised that the surgeon wasn't doing a follow-up, but his letter told her that he would see me again if I had problems. She used a small speculum to examine me but said she didn't want to go in very far because the surgeon wants me to wait about 12 weeks before having sex , and she didn't want to do any damage. She said the repair looks fine as far as she could see , no stitches visible but a neat line of bumps up the back wall which is all I can feel too. But she remarked on the bulge of a cystocele on the front wall ... hm. I do have bladder problems - frequency and incomplete emptying - but I'm used to them and hope I'll manage without another op. We talked about my trying Vagifem pessaries to condition and strengthen the vaginal tissues , and she's going to check how soon after the surgery I can try them. Anyone have experience of this stuff ?
Well I did have the tvt, but I am younger 45. Had 6 children and have had leakage and bowel troubles for seven years. I am in the percentage of success for sure. I have had absolutely no problems since my op. I have been more active and not one thing has caused a leak. I am sorry to hear that you are not sure about yours yet. Okay here is what I can say. How many weeks post op are you? I am now 5 weeks post op and in the beginning, I felt like it was harder to wee, like really slow. I also used to think that I would leak because I had the sensation, but it never happened, still have it at times. My bladder has definitely settled down as I can make it through the night without peeing. One thing to clarify here is, I had a procedure using the monarc sling. It is performed differently than regular tvt as far as I know. The monarc sling has better control over how tight it will fit against the urethra. Is is put in by pulling it in from both sides of the groin where there are small incisions and they adjust it accordingly from there, so it pulls against the urethra. The other TVTs are done by just placing the mesh tape in at the site of the urethra through the vagina and it is tucked up at that point. If mine was to have been too tight, the dr could have froze me down there right after surgery and fixed it that day.
Do you know what kind of TVT you had? Age is a big factor in how well these ops go as well. I hate to tell you thins as you are likely older than me. I was told by my dr, not to wait too long. If you are already menopausal, than your tissues are not as elastic as they used to be, that alone affects recovery and success. I would be good to go after just a tvt in two weeks time, but for you, it may be 4 - 6 weeks. You know there is another surgery that you can have done to fix it with better success. It is just that doctors do try all the less invasive methods first. Bladder leakage is caused by the ligaments holding the control of the urethra either stretching or breaking from where they are attached. They can perform this through the abdominal wall and actually sew the ligaments back to where they belong or use other forms of mesh material to support whatever needs supporting. That is all I know. Sorry you are feeling down about this, I would be too. Let me know some more about your situation in regards to leakage etc.
MrsBonkers don't worry about saying anything on here, we have all lived or seen it or worse really. I too had the issue of having to splint for 6 years before op. I had to go so far up the vagina that it was ridiculous really. Nothing would help me because diarrhea would not come out without splinting. Hard to believe, but it all got trapped right at the end in a pocket at the perineum. Anyways, I did go on like that for probably 3 years where it was that bad. If you are young, which I think you are, I would go in as soon as possible though. Don't let it get any worse and besides recovery is not as touchy as you think. I can't remember how old your children are, but you can certainly have them sitting on your lap. My doctor upgraded me to lifting up to 20 pounds after the second week. I am just fine. I guess it depends how you are after the post op healing. I had the cystocele, rectocele and tvt all at once, I am not sure if you were having more or not, can't remember. That is all for now, must get supper going.
Dawn , Everglades is only 5 days post op.
Yes Everglades is only 5 days post op and feeling an idiot for posting already, sorry, yesterday was a panic day
thank you so much for all the details LikeAVirgin, it is very kind of you to bother. Have read about the Monarc but somehow have got the impression it is not so common in the UK so don't think that's what I had. Although could be wrong as think my brain is still suffering from anesthetic ! My tape has gone in through one incision in the vagina and out through two incisions in the pubic area where I currently have dressings.
Peeing is definitely slower and I have to practically stand on my head to feel empty but not worried about that as assuming it will ease when the bruising eases.
And I am very post meno Started all that the minute I was 40 and then had 9 years on HRt.
And Footle, I know quite a bit about Vagifem as i have used it for just over a year now following horrible problems with years of UTIs and then kidney infections and it is brilliant! There is a very useful website which can tell you more called Menopause Matters.My gp was useless on the problems I was having and I found out about Vagifem and other similar preparations on that website. Sorry just tried to do the link and failed but you will find it if you google it.
thanks everyone again for responding to a very panicky lady when you all have your own problems.
Thank you Everglades, I'll be on that site as soon as I can.
And stop apologizing , this is your place as much as anyone's , and you'll still be here to help the next lot as you get better , when we veterans may have moved on. No-one has to respond or even read if they don't choose to ! Keep practicing the headstands , there's a great piece of advice.
I am UK and I had the Monarc as well
your stitches sound like you had monarc too, ie the stitches in pubic area
dont apologise, the week or so post op is when most of us needed most reassurance
I will definitely ask if it is a Monarc, think I've been reading HysterSisters recently (my daughter had to have a hysterectomy a few months back) and got the idea tney were more North American but then I've got plenty of other odd ideas too
One of the things that looks most peculiar at the moment is that I have a big dent in one side of my pubic area where the tape is obviously attached. Didn't notice initially as doesn't show laying down but when you look in the mirror when upright it looks most odd, really goes inward.
No one should ever feel the need to appoogise on this forum! We have all had our moments, whether it be due to pain, panic or senior moments! That is what the forum is here for so that we can blabbering on without fear of judgement!!!
Well ladies, I hope you are all well.
I feel that I am now ready to be moved to the veteran pile please and put in a research position!
I am 6 weeks post rectocele repair op and all in all consider myself healed! The only thing I haven't done yet is have sex and it's not because I don't think I could, it's just that it's that one last thing to do before I can decide if the op worked! and I'm nervous about it! Plus after 6 weeks I want it to be right so am waiting for a night when I'm not tired etc etc!!!
For anyone waiting to have the op I would say definately go for it. The op & recovery is not as bad as you would imagine and the majority of us have had it plain sailing. Yes, we have had moments where we are depressed or the pain gets worse for a day or two or we feel guilty for lying on the sofa without any easy to see reason, but it is all worth it in the end.
Again, the majority of ladies in the last two months who had major bladder problems have no leakage whatsoever. The majority of rectocele ladies are no longer having to splint (and even though I haven't tried nookie yet I can feel myself that the wall of my vagina is now very solid and so I am presuming will be a lot tighter for hubbie)
Not everyone has sailed through - there have been a couple of infections, sore stitches, hideous period pain (yes that was me), anaemia, and lots of tears but I think as a group we have had a huge success.
I shall keep checking on the forum but will just be here if you need me!
Thank you for all the support ladies, mentally I wouldn't have managed without you all! Good luck to all the ladies waiting and quick healing for all the new post-op girls.
Emily and her new designer vagina
Sorry Everglades for missing how long post op you are. Yes try not to panic just yet. Right after surgery I looked at the area and I thought that I would never see my vagina open again. I had so much swelling there it was unreal. The dent you talk about on the one side, don't worry about it now, swelling does strange things. Missing's right, sounds like you had the monarc too. I asked my dr 2nd day post op about how the monarc sling attaches to you. I was worried because the incision on one side of my groin came open and I thought that meant that the sling would come loose and mot work. He told me that the mesh becomes part of you and just stays in against the tissues. I think the monarc just gives more control for the surgeon to give proper placement. And yes, NO APOLOGIES PLEASE, not necessary. I was so grateful to have this site to go to and get support and say what ever I needed to say, and you shall have the same luxury.
Jewel so glad to hear you are making out just fine with life. I hope your time in the bedroom really pays off for you. Don't be scared of it, it will be wonderful. I did another stretching moment with hubby just today before he left for work and it is getting easier and easier all the time. I had both anterior and posterior repaired which makes it tighter and it is going so well. I even got pleasured a bit today without pain. I am sooooooo excited to do this when things are totally stretched and healed and stitch free!!! Here's my advice for your first time, you don't have to take it, but I think it will help. Buy a silicone based lubricant, they are more money, but so worth it, you won't believe it. Astroglide or K-Y Intrigue. When you are first receiving penetration, try to just drop your legs slightly bent beside you and take a deep breath and relax. Relax is the key to it all going smoothly I think. My hubby has been so wonderful with all of this and so gentle, I really just love and respect him more than I did pre-op.
When I was deciding to get this op, I was worried my sex life could be ruined. My husband told me that it was more important to him that I live a better quality life, than for him to have sex all the time. He loved me and married me for who I am and not for sex. Sex is a great bonus for sure, but he really loves me. I knew when he said those words that he meant them, even though I know how much my hubby loves sex. He has been so awesome through all this and I hope all your men out there are just as understanding.
Good luck Emily and let us know your progress over the months to come when you get a chance to post. It has been great having you on here. Good luck with the next period. Glad you had a successful surgery, you have been an inspiration to me.
I have been relatively good these days except for the Hg, but in time. I am felling like resting to day, having company for dinner, so I will talk to you all Monday. Have a great weekend everyone! Cheers
Evening. Blimey, wish I'd been on MN three years ago and found this tyoe of thread. Hope no-one minds if I share my story.
Traumatic birth, ventouse delivery. 4th degree tear, doctor who delivered baby wasn't confident enough to do the repair so called out the head consultant who, at 3am in the morning, made it very clear he was unhappy about being called in for surgery.
Few days later at home I am in pain. Midwives first check reported "wound healing nicely". I'm none the wiser (first baby) and think the pain I am experiencing is normal. Second MW visit, I was in the depths of baby blues, hadn't showered, felt grubby, said I didn't want to be examined. In hindsight, had i knew what was coming I would have BUT also feel the MW should have stressed the importance but anyway...
Next MW contact was by phone as a "do you need a visit? (It was bank holiday weekend), again as I'm a bit of a "don't want to cause a fuss" person I mumble a "errr no I suppose not?"
Couple of days later MW visit at home, examination, after which she sends me straight to hospital as all the stitches had broken down and the wound was severly infected. A doctoe examines me and says in a disbelieveing voice "Who DID this repair??". When I mention head consultants (HC) name he immediately clams up, gives me some antibiotics and tells me I have to speak to HC next week.
Next week- see HC. He examines me, takes off gloves. Says, in the same manner as previous doctor "Who did this repair?". When I say it was him he puts a freash pair of gloves on and re-examines pulling some stitches out as well. More antibiotics. See him again in two weeks.
Visit to GP, examines repair says "This will need re-doing.
Visit to HC- he agrees to do re-repair.
Re-repair. Under local anaesthetic. The pain afterwards is IMMENSE. I couldn;t sit down for two weeks
Re-repair still no good. Return to HC. My nethers look like a car crash and I am extremely distraught. This is now 3 months after giving birth. HC agrees to do another repair under general anaesthetic.
After this op I buried my head in the sand for about 9 months. No sexual realtions since birth. Faecal incontinence. I tried to ignore. Why oh why I agreed to him doing all the repairs I really don't know. After about a year (still no sexual relations) I went to GP and explained all. Said I wanted to be referred to a different consultant. Saw new consultant and agreed to try gels, excersises, dilators. Inside of vagina is incredibly sore, as if there is an open cut but consultant reports he can't see anything. It's agreed that a 4th op will take place to remove excess scar tissue.
4th op a sucess. As in the pain is gone, sexual relations possible. Not great but as good as it's ever going to be.
I decided to take legal action and after a LOT of to-ing and fro-ing an independent medical bod decides that HC was not negligent as such. he pointed out that whilst his choice of thread used in the stitching was unusual, it wasn't negligent and couldn;t be attributed to the breakdown of the stitches and subsequent infection. Having read my medical notes during this process it was evident that some documents were "re-written" insinuating that the wound was healing very well and it was just "me" that felt this discomfort. If that was the case then why was further surgery agreed etc? And scar tissue removed?? The medical bod DID say it may be possible to prove the MW's as being negligent but by that time I had had enough and dropped the whole thing.
Three years on, it still looks a mess, I can't wear tampons and still have the ocassional faecal accident. BUT otherwise I am healthy, my son is healthy etc.
Thanks for reading.
Thank you for writing , but it's made me cry. I absolutely understand why you have let the case drop : they wear you down, these people . But it's a dreadful story and a very unjust result.
It's nice to meet you and you know we'll keep reading if you want to keep posting. Good to hear your little boy is fine , and I hope the passing of time may make it easier to live with what happened. None of it is your fault. The midwife should have explained why it was important for her to look at the repair.
Hi all, Im 49 with 2 adult children and one cat based in UK. I did a google search about 2 months ago as soon as I came back from my gynae appointment and came across this thread, (and the previous original.) Its been SO much help in answering some of my questions. I was put on the waiting list for a posterior repair and that is taking place this thurs, the 30th.
Anyway, Ive been having this problem for a few years now, the pain, trapped wind and stools, having to 'help it out' as others have stated every time i go. Then GP diagnosed a Rectocele, I also have mild uterine and bladder prolapse and stress incontinence.
This morning for the first time i actually felt the rectocele at the entrance of my vagina while i was on the loo, its def getting worse, thought Id left a tampon in!
Anyway, my main questions were length of recovery, average stay, (my info sheet says about 3 days if no complications,) pain and pain relief, (Im careful with codeine and other opiate-based drugs as Ive had addiction probs in the past but now pretty controlled for urgent pain relief, needs must as they say.)
Ive had my pre-op, another 3 hours of fun, lol.
I think Im worrying more about not being able to eat for hours, I have hypoglycemia and other health probs, did state it at pre-op but best remind them on Thurs, wont be able to have the usual emergency sugary drink!
Anyway, thank you for this invaluable thread, I'll post with any further questions or anything Ive forgotten. Will certainly update as to how I get on.
No more pain in the a..e!! Hurrah!!
PS: Does anyone know what they do for anyone diabetic/hypoglycemic when 'Nil by Mouth?' Is there something you CAN have or even something they can give you like Glucagon?
I have been reading this thread for a while. I am in my 40s and had my kids late in life, the last just nearly a year ago. I had a tear which healed but was diagnosed with a 'mild prolapse'. GP didn't think he needed to refer me, instead suggested things might improve and that it wasn't serious. I had an internal and I think it said it was bladder but cervix etc in right place as I had freaked when looked down there and thought it was poking out! Biology not my strong point!
I have learned to live with it and tbh I don't have any severe problems. There is a slight bulge that feels like it is just in the entrance to my vagina and sometimes it feels as if there is a tampon stuck there - more uncomfortable than painful. Feels like my vagina is permanently open and I have a regular discharge which I am sure didn't have before but it doesn't seem infected or anything. I do pelvic floor exercises and try not to think about it.
Can't even face the thought of sex.
Wondering if it is worth a referral to a gynae? Would surgery be worthwhile and is there any chance my prolapse could improve or is it likely to get worse?
Any advice/info welcome/ Thanks.
Jannie , I'm a type 2 diabetic well-controlled with lowish carb diet and exercise . I had no problem with the nil-by-mouth bit , partly because I was first on the operating list anyway because of a latex allergy . I had nothing after supper the previous night, and I was woken up at about 6am so I could have a small drink of water before the op at about 8.30 . I'm not clear from your post whether you are diabetic and liable to have a full hypo , or whether you simply feel rough when your blood sugar is low. Either way the issue should have been addressed at your pre-op assessment and the nurse should have explained how they'll handle it. If that's not the case then ring the ward straight away and explain your worries - there must be several diabetics on the operating list every week so it's nothing new for them to deal with.
Pain relief , they didn't offer any codeine meds but I had 1000ml paracetamol every 6 hours and it's important to maintain that for a few days , and Tramadol ,which as you'll know is an opiate , was available for top up . I couldn't tolerate Oramorph but could have had that instead. But again ,as long as they know about your former probs with addiction , I'd have thought they would offer ibuprofen or something ? Do be upfront with them !
Recovery time - I went in on the Tuesday , op on Wed , home on Sunday - could have gone on Sat but was a bit fragile. The 24 hours after the op was the worst bit but I was pretty zonked and drifting . The night and morning were very uncomfortable because of the vaginal pack pressing on my bladder , but I had a catheter in ( which I'd been dreading unnecessarily ) so didn't have to move out of bed. Mid-morning on Thurs a nurse slowly pulled out the very long length of gauze that was packing my vagina , after giving me extra pain-relief, and that felt very weird and unpleasant but when it was over it was over . Took maybe 5 minutes ? Then I rested for an hour , and she took the catheter out after that , so that I hadn't had to move from the bed. I started walking around a bit after that , and started on my normal laxative in the evening. First BM was on the Sat am and a huge relief once it was over.
But we all have slightly different problems and operations. I'm 6 weeks on, like Emily above, but I'm 63 to her 33 so my recovery isn't so quick. Even so I'm doing really well. You will too.
We are all waiting to hear how Blue is getting on , but most of us have had pretty straightforward recoveries.
Fifitot , hello.. sorry I've got to go to sleeeeep ..zzz
Having suffered a mild to medium prolapse and nearly resorting to surgery I discovered the Kegel 8 pelvic floor exercise machine, it has a programme for prolapses front and back (rectocele). What puzzles me is that no GP or consultant has ever mentioned this device to me, can't understand this when it is very effective and avoids the need for drastic surgery.
I hadn't heard of the machine but the consultant told me my pelvic floor is strong, but the rectocele , being higher up , wouldn't be improved by more exercise. .. ?
I have used a machine similar to the Kegel8 for my pelvic floor and incontinence problems and it was some help but was told by pelvic floor physio that my problem was further up also.
Hi all, just found your site and have been frantically looking back to see if any of you had the same problems as I have. I have tried to read so much that I have got an headache now, so I thought I would just start again and ask you.
I had my ops cystocyle and rectocyle about 3 weeks ago. I was looking forward to time off work, but its not like I imagined.
The ops went ok, had a catheter overnight, catheter and vagina packing taken out the day after(how many rolls did they use!! he he), and used the toilet and had a bath. Because the ward was busy and I was 'being sensible' I was allowed home after 2 nights with my antibiotics and pain killers and stool softeners.
The pain hasn't been too bad although I have had shooting pains up my area- must have been nerves or the stiches. I was supprised at the stiching over my perinium. It was so bulky and swollen. I wondered if anyone else had this. The swelling seems to be going down, but this is where most of my pain comes from. It still looks different down there with extra skin and not flat how it used to be. I still have to position myself when I sit down.
I stopped the heavy bleeding after about 8 days and it gradually got less until now I just have a quite wet, pinkish discharge. Do you think this is normal, its not very offensive, but I do shower it away regularly.
After 2 weeks I had a check with the nurse and a bladder scan and she said if I was still having the discharge to go to the GP and ask for a swab. I still wonder if its normal and dont want to waste the GP's time if others had this.
As for being off work, and all my plans to 'do nice things', I carn't be bothered. I just potter around all day because the nurse told me off for hoovering - she said its the worst thing I could do and you cannot see what damage you are doing to the work the surgeon had done. By the way,I go back to see him at 6 week post op.
When I go to the shops or go for a walk with my husband I get backache and stomach ache, and have to stop - did others get this. Like someone else said - I feel like a fraud (although I have a lovely husband, I sometimes think he wonders why I dont get on with things like I used to)
Gosh I've done nothing but moan, sorry about that. I hope everyone else is getting on ok and feeling stronger soon.
Thanks for reading and letting me off load.
Hello ! I only had a rectocele repair, nearly 7 weeks ago now. Your description sounds pretty normal going by what most of the rest of us have said. My perinneum was the sorest bit , to the left of the entrance of my vagina . It's better now but still not back to normal ( but I'm 63 so probably don't heal as fast as someone younger ). The wet pinkish discharge that's a bit smelly but not really bad , sounds like what I had. Not sure how much you've read on here but I think those Always pads are vile and made it all worse. I've since been told that Boots do an own-brand cotton pad which is much better. I just gave up on pads and changed my knickers and trousers a lot , and it finally stopped. No point having a swab done unnecessarily , but do if it gets smellier. The bladder scan and the follow-up visit both sound like good care . Yes I still get back ache and stomach ache if I walk too far or do too much - but "too much" is a lot further than 3 weeks ago.
There is a good booklet online called something like Recovering Well from Pelvic Floor Repair . Your husband might want to read it too , and get more idea about how easy you need to take it. It is major surgery but you will get back to normal soon , at least most of us have done .
Hi Footle, Thanks for your quick reply. Im 52 so feel like an older one. I know what you mean about the pads, I ended up buying some from a very cheap shop(Aldi) and they were more cotten like. Like you though I have taken to wearing cotten knickers around the house and when I go to bed I now put a towel under me, just in case I leak.(and get some air to it!!!!! he he) Yeh the discharged is more a sweaty smell, and watery even though I shower down there regularly.
Even though I had the check with the nurse and will see the dr after 6 weeks, I feel that the before care was better than the after. I was given a really good appointment with a nurse before hand to tell me about going into hospital Then dischaged from hospital (without it being looked at) and then more or less on my own, wondering whats 'normal' and whats to much to do.
Thanks for the tip on the booklet, i'll have a look at that. I saw the video on the embarrising fat bodies program, where a lady had a repair. She didnt have her perineum repaired though, I dont think.
Hey! just signing up to this site has got me moving, I looked on the recipe part and have just put a banana cake in the oven.
Thank you again Footie and thanks for everyone elses help and suggestions and for being so frank with the descriptions.
I was told that the good tissue of my vaginal wall was stretched quite a bit, and then the seam of stitching was attached to the "body" of the perineum - this was explained as the internal part of it. So the perineum itself was not repaired , but it's providing an anchorage for the repair. My tissues will be less elastic than those of someone younger , and that's probably why I was told not to try making love until about 12 weeks ... not sure we're going to last that long actually , but the time isn't ripe yet.
Oh Frank , yes Frank is our middle name around here ...
I'll stop TMIing now !
Thanks for message Footle. Hope you are feeling better now. Not long for me, packed my bag today. Was out for a Toby's carvery 2nite for sons birthday, (on Thursday!) Last min shopping tomorrow then just work on wed for 4 hrs, (I help run a drop in group for mental health/learning difficulties.)
Its sort of ongoing, the testing and investigations, if Im not careful to eat regularly at least something every 2-3 hrs I hypo, not to passing out stage, well, I dont suppose Ive ever let it get that far, but do get the full shakes, panic, nausea, sweating, which I find is relieved best by always carrying with me a non-diet bottle pop/cola/lucozade, was referred and they thought Reactive Hypo. (diabetes test was negative,) now they are saying possible Insulinoma with my collection of symptoms, for which Im having ultrasound and tests for after recovery from op. Im also on pills for Hypertension and Hypothyroidism, am seeing Gastro. for the bowel probs and Im possibly pre-menopausal.
All the nurse said at pre-op was they would try and get me first on the list but will remind them, Im in at 10am for afternoon surgery, no food after 8am, or clear fluids after midday.
Im usually ok now with opiate-based pain relief, sort of 'take it or leave it,' it took a long time to get here and is a relief, a bit like an alcoholic who can have the odd drink now.
I did have to go back to Co-codomols anyway, OTC strength because of severe joint and muscle pain, only the odd 2 here and there, I have to be careful with Ibuprofen as it can irritate my stomach, Ive also never found it a very effective pain reliever.
Thanks to you and others for pad recommendations, Ive bought 24 Asda Nighttime pads which Ive always had for periods, plus some of those basic cheapie ones for about 20 or 30p! Try anything once, will check out those Boots ones too.
Jannie, good luck for tomorrow , hope your son is old enough to celebrate his birthday with his mates . The hypo thing sounds a bit of a nightmare - you'll be glad to get this little diversion out of the way so you can try to get the rest of it sorted. Have you been told if you can have a decent amount to eat before 8 am ?
Beadmad , how are you doing now ?
Jannie, Good luck for tomorrow. Just though I tell you about my experience. Just over 3 weeks ago I had rectocyle and cystocyle repairs, using tape for the front repair. I know pads have been mentioned, but the first night day and night after my op a pad was just put under me and a thick sheet under that (no pants). I just wanted to let you know in case its the same with you. When I was helped out of bed, it was a bit of a mess, and I was embarrased but the nurse just thought nothing of it and stripped the bed. The hospital I was in must do this for easy access and it didnt bother them. I also had the hospital gown on the first day and night. It wasnt until I was ready to try walking to the bathroom that they bothered about me changing and I was allowed to bathe or shower.
Also, when I woke up on the ward I had a drip, catheter, vaginal pack and oxygen mask - so dont worry if you are the same, they quickly encouraged me to try eating and drinking. The oxygen was taken away when I had had blood pressure & temperature checked.
Overnight they constantly check blood pressure and messure the amount of urine in the catheter.
The vag. pack was removed the next day (not painful to have removed just worrying) I think they had put a full roll inside me (he he). Then when they think you will be able to try waking to the loo they take out the catheter.
The other ladies on the ward were all supportive of one another, so try not to worry too much, it will soon be over.
Footle, Hope you are well. I think things are changing down there for me. I dont look as swollen on the outside, and its not as painful to sit. I think I understand now what they have done to me after you told me about the anchorage - I think thats what they must have done to me and that why the perineum skin is not flat anymore. I still have a weeping type of discharge but not offensive. I had a read at the booklet that you told me about. Thanks for that, its very good. Do you know if we are supposed to do pelvic floor excersices. I have never seen a physio, so wondered whether to phone one of the nurses at the hospital.
By the way 12 weeks to wait, oh dear. When my husband told my sister we had to wait 6 weeks she said 'whats up with her mouth' - cheeky devil. He replied 'its always talking though' sorry! too much information.(he he)
You should have seen a physio , that's bad. I got a booklet from mine, will post again when I've checked on when to start pelvic floor ex. again.
There's one good reason against any kind of sex too soon, which is mentioned in the booklet from the physio - just being sexually aroused puts a strain on the whole area and may impede healing . But you'll only know when it's OK by trying it I suppose. Still gives me tummy ache.
Pelvic floor exercises : the booklet is University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay NHS Trust physio service , advice and exercises after hysterectomy or vaginal repair. It says to start the exercises gently after the catheter is removed , and work up to doing holding the squeeze and lift for up to 10 seconds , repeated up to 10 times , and eventually do this 3 - 4 times a day.
Hi Footle, Thanks again for your help. After your last message I rang the hospital and spoke to a staff nurse, she said 'what were you told to do', anyway I said that I wasnt told anything and havnt seen a physio. Her answer was 'you could start doing them if you want and feel like it'. Anyway, next I phoned the nurse who I went to see about the tape (my 2 weeks after appointment) and she asked how long since my op, and when I told her nearly 4 weeks she said ' you can start and then build up, because after all you have had an operation to make that area better and doing pelvic floor excersises will stenghten it'.
Doh! I felt as though she thought I was daft and should know. I bet they see that many patients with the same problems that they had forgotten to tell me that bit. Anyway, I had better give it a go.
I've only joined this site a couple of days ago, and your info has been invaluable. Thank you so much.
I think communication is poor in a lot of cases, it's as though they assume we all know what to do! If it wasn't for reading pages like this I wouldn't know much at all. I did see a very pleasant physio following my TVT op who did tell me about doing pelvic floor stuff but all the other info about what sort of weights I can lift for how many weeks etc I have found out on the web.
I stupidly thought that by paying to go private this side of things would be better.
Some hospitals do seem to have PDF pages online with very good info on procedures following ops. This is one by my surgeon
But if you are someone who doesn't have a computer I don't know what you do!
And a quick whinge, I am still not sure my op has worked
Hope all of you are having a positive day.
I agree with you everglades bout pages like this, I realised that i've been reading some from 2009 - they was very good info on them though. There are some lovely women out there supporting each other. Thanks for the address for the tape. I had that done and still wonder how it actually stays where it should. Magic!
We must all worry about our surgeons work. I was supposed to be having a lady surgeon, from recomendations, but after having my op cancelled twice due to her being ill, the hospital suggested I go with a different surgeon. I've been so worried about if I did the right thing - would he know what he was doing etc etc. Dont us women have to put up with some things!
I'm 4 weeks post op today. Does anyone else get real bad back ache. I only have to walk up the garden and im holding my back. Stiches seem to be getting less painful though, but i've not lost any yet,I dont think.
Just wondering if any of you were given conflicting advice on the exact procedures you would be having in your repair op.One of the GP's in my practice has phoned to basically try to talk me out of having the vaginal hysterectomy when I have my recto and cystocele repairs.So,as it stands,I have 1 prof of urogynecology,1gyne and 1 GP for the hysterectomy and the same amount of different docs of same speciality against!!!
please tell me you understand that because I know its confusing!
Am 38,have 4 kids and dont want any more,have mild rectocele,mild uterine prolapse and moderate cystocele.Also pelvic adhesions and heavy,irregular periods.
I just want to have the right surgery.
advice please ladies.
EverG, I really hope it has worked. You said you do get a follow-up , I think ? You certainly need one . I'd have a had a much worse time without this forum - partly the hints and what-to-expects , partly the feeling of not being a freak - or at least being one of many !
Beadie , my worst back-aches were from being in a semi-sitting position for too long, knitting , reading , laptopping while avoiding pressure on the bum. Don't know if this applies to you ? My stitches have dissolved invisibly as far as I can tell , and the GP couldn't see any when she looked in a little way warily last week. Some people have seen bits looking like spiders etc but I think most haven't seen anything.
Blue , are you out there ? We still want to know if you're better - please tell us.
How very upsetting for you having those different opinions
I have not had your surgery but my daughter who is a little older than you had a hysterectomy 6 months ago (we're having a Gynae Year!) although she did have to have an abdominal type hysterectomy due to the condition of her ovaries.
Can you tell us a bit more about the reasons for and against?
Hi. I am new to this post. I had a posterior repair op 12 days ago (this is the first time I can bear to sit down long enough to type!) Just wanted to say how great it is that everyone is so willing to share their experiences like this. I first looked at the posts a few weeks before my op and though it scared me senseless at the time, it as been so much help since. I had my op in day surgery, so went in to theatre at 2.30pm and was home by 6.30pm the same day. Felt up to walking around the next day, but progress slow since. Better over last couple of days though, am seeing light at end of the tunnel.
I have 2 children and noticed I had a recteole during my second pregnancy. It took my til my daughter was 3 to get it seen to. Am hoping for a better way of life post-op.
I wanted to ask a question of those who have had similar op: Did you/do you feel like your stomach muscles has disappeared? My stomach before wasn't flat, but in relatively good shape despite 2 kids, but now I look like I am about 5 months pregnant, and seem to have no way to pull it in?
Lovely to meet you all btw!
thanks everglades,reasons for are;all agree it will need doing eventually.
I wish I was had had tubes tied at l
last c section but now too difficult .
no more 10 day periods.
reasons against are;I could develop a vaginal vault prolapse
?it could un-mask incontinance ?
high chance of going into menopause within 5 years
pelvic adhesions reported at last c-section
what to do?
emmadee,re stomach muscles,can you still get your fingers between them,mid line?if so ask for physio.keep well.
I must find some time to go back and read this properly.Its just the reason I'm in this state(4 kids) keep calling me for more food.
14k , didn't Flowers have a hysterectomy with her op ? Someone recently did and seemed pleased about it - have a look back a few pages. If it was Flowers, she may be away on holiday but she might look back in . You could PM her ? How hugely unhelpful , all this contrary info. Do they mean a total hysterectomy plus removing ovaries ? If not , would you really go into premature menopause ? I have no idea about the potential incontinence issue but that would be a strong reason against if it's true.
EmDee , I was terrified when I first looked at this thread too, but like you I've found it very helpful . The stomach muscle question sounds like one for the GP , en route to a physio referral. Have you got a doughnut cushion ? I'm weaning myself off mine now ( 8 weeks post op ) but I wouldn't have been without it at your stage , and I still find sitting on hard chairs uncomfortable.
Well the meno thing is not exactly something you would want but my daughter (who did have to have two very messy ovaries removed) had an implant put in at the time of her op which gave her enough HRT for about 6 months. Have to admit she wasn't exactly thrilled about it as had hoped not to down the HRT route but so far it has been really good although she still has to decide how to go ahead now it is presumably dwindling in its effectiveness.
How about checking out this forum which I read a lot when my daughter first found out about her op as it was such a shock.
There is a board called Alternatives to Hysterectomy on there, might be worth posting?
Hi everyone and welcome all the newcomers. I have been away awhile from posting. I was going through a bit of a depression and didn't feel I could post anything other than complaints, so I decided not to post.
I am now 5 and a half weeks post op from rectocele, cystocele and TYT. I am doing pretty good physically except for the anemia. I thought I was up to being a bit more physically active yesterday and then after it was done, I felt worn out and had pain in the area of my bowels of all places. I had to take pain killers, as it was similar to post op pain. I am ovulating right now and finding things uncomfortable down there because of it.
As far as kegel exercises go, I read some of you talking about them. My doctor told me when I was three weeks post op that I could start doing them again. Just to lay on my back, knees slightly bent and up and slowly squeeze until tight, hold for 10 seconds and slowly release, to do about 3 X/ day. He also told me I could be more active and lift up to 20 pounds at that point. He said to keep activity light, like not go jogging and things like that. He also suggested that I start to stretching exercises on the vaginal area as it will be easier if I start it now rather than later. I have been doing those. I am going back to my doctor for my 6 week post op appointment in July 6th. I am hoping to have to go ahead to do anything I like at that point. My stitches are still in though. I think on y 3 have dissolved that I can tell, so there is a lot more where they came from.
I am going to try and keep reading posts and stay caught up. I want to basically offer information to those who don't know what the final outcome is after all is healed and life is normal again, sex and all. I will keep you all posted.
Take care ladies and have a great weekend!
footle,yes it seems flowers did have a hysterectomy but I'm not sure why.I hope she's enjoying a lovely holiday with her girls and when she's back maybe she'll be able to fill me in.
They will leave my ovaries but still say I'll have increased risk of early meno.
not sure what the actual numbers are as in % chance of developing incontinance and ovaries failing.Reading back,flowers seems to be doing well.
Everglades-will check out that site,thanks.
Likeavirgin,you can't worry about not posting when you are feeling low,this is your recovery and we are all thankful you are sharing it honestly with us.Really hope things improve for you soon.
look after yourselves.
Dawn, l4k said it for me ! Good to have you back but take it at your own pace. I may be offline for about 3 days now , but back soon
Likeavirgin, thanks for the excercise tips, will give them a try. I have been feeling a bit down as well. I didnt realise how little we would be allowed to do and how tired we'd get. I was looking forward to being off work, but found it quite different to what i expected. I went shopping yesterday evening to try and find a new suit for my husband, and something for me,for our sons graduation. I think I did too much again. What with standing holding things while he tried on the suits, and then I tried various trousers on. My stomach is aching this morning and for some reason I get an ache in my groin at one side. I keep wondering if its something to do with the tape i've had put in. Hope its not moved. (I joke with my husband that the aches I get in my legs are something to do with the surgeon putting them over his shoulders when he was trying to get in there, to do the op. he he)
14k, sorry i don't know anything about hysterectomy, hope you get sorted.The ladies on this site are so generous in sharing their advice and experiences.
Emmdee73, Hope you are well, the sitting got better for me after 3 weeks, I had bad swelling in that area. I look about 5 months preg. as well. Mine has come on gradually even though my legs & arms are quite slim. I was hoping that after the op it might flattern down, but with not being able to do so much(and all the chocolate treats I have to eat to get me through the day) I think I might be stuck with it for a while.
Footle, I've got to get one of those cushions, we are going to see my sister next weekend, shes about 130 miles away.ooohhhh!!
Take care everyone, I dont meant to exclude anyone by not talking directly to them.
Hope you are all having a good Sunday.
Sorry you have been feeling down LikeaVirgin, we haven't 'spoken' before but I have read all your posts with interest, thank you.
I know as I've only had a TVT I'm having a very easy time compared to most of you but wondered if any of you who have had this op could answer a couple of questions please.
Did you find you had to 'stand on your head' to empty out your bladder? I think it's a little easier than it was but still need to double up to get the urine out properly.
And question 2 - did either of the two small incisions in the pubic area look very indented? The swelling in that area has gone down considerably in the 2 weeks since my op but on the l/h side it really goes inwards, only a small black stitch showing there.
Thanks for reading
Hi Everglades. Yes to the upside down weeing! I put a small step in front of the toilet to hold onto incase I toppled off head first!! Getting better now though and can just lean forward a bit.
I'm guessing its to do with internal swelling/bruising, and will eventually return to normal (I hope!).
Thanks for the response Emdee, how far along are you? I don't have to go quite as upside down as I did but was wondering if I would ever get back to fully upright weeing Oh well, it's wait and see as per usual.
I am going to ask about medication for urge incontinence when I go for my 6 week check up as think that's the only way forward, I think this op has cured or helped with the stress but so far not had any real test of that.
Trying to think positive but have to admit although I knew that TVT was only for stress and not urge I was hoping it would make a difference as I know it has for some people.
bye for now
Everglades: I had my op 2 weeks ago today. Feels like forever though! How about you?
Would you believe it, 2 weeks ago today - Twins
I'm driving again now thank goodness but remembering not to pick up anything heavy is proving difficult.
Hope you are all sorted now, I was hoping I would be but as per earlier post I am not there yet.
Not driving or walking very far. Can't sit down well enough to drive yet. Am hoping this may improve over the next week. Also hoping to be able to walk far enough to take my daughter to pre-school this week (about 2 min walk normally!) I feel like my 97 year old grandmother at the moment lol!
I know what you mean about the lifting too. And bending, I swear I have never dropped so many things on the floor!
Hello again Ladies!
I have been too busy to post this past weekend. It was Canada day here on July 1st and also my daughter's 22nd birthday as well. I had lots of things going on. I am still exhausted, just can't seem to get my energy levels up at all. I hope to hear something helpful on the 6th at the drs.
I had a TVT, so I can relate to the peeing not being so easy. I would say for me, that after 3 weeks post op, I was peeing almost normally again. I just really have to concentrate on relaxing the muscles down there while I go. I used to constantly hold those muscles all day etc to stop the leakage. Now I must learn to relax them more. I would say that my bladder empties completely though and I have not had a leakage accident since surgery.
Everglades, in regards to the small incisions on the groin. I did not have stitches there, it was only sterile stripped together. The incisions were on the inside. My sterile strip came off one side the first day and was wide open. The dr said that was nothing to worry about because the stitch was internal. Also he told me that the tissues in that area just absorb the mesh and it is stays intact, eventually becomes part of you. I am not sure why you would have indentations there??? My two scars are so hard to see, they are just very thin little lines and look like a scratch really. I never had swelling or redness there at any time after the op.
Well I have nothing to report that would have relevance here, so I will talk to you all later.
Thanks for the info, Likeavirgin
Sorry you are still feeling under the weather, I hope the doctor has something useful to suggest.
Yes I knew about Canada Day, my son and his family are spending a year in Toronto, normally live in the USA. He was just pleased that the Royal Visit was going to Toronto, his colleagues think he's odd, a Brit who's not interested in the Royals
I had steri-strips on that area too, came off after about a week and I was told the stitches were internal but can definitely see a black piece of thread on just one side, doesn't hurt at all though.