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Rectocele & Repairs continued....

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CAZ1958 · 30/12/2011 12:54

Rectocele & Repairs...continuation

Hiya Ladies...
Don't know if this will work, above is the Subject Title
Don't want to lose my friends.
Will come back with a link if poss !!!
Fingers crossed
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fengirl1 · 30/03/2012 14:58

Oh and Ben10 look after yourself and take it easy. X

Ben10NeverAgain · 30/03/2012 15:21

I'm so pleased Fen. You sound like a different person now you've had your mind put at ease. I didn't share my worries with my family either until it was all over.

I would like to confirm that my mild cystolcele and moderate/severe rectocele repair has resulted in straight normal poos. Only on this thread could I confirm that Grin.

Fen and whoever else is having the surgery soon, expect a big bloated tummy. Apparently the combo of nil by mouth and the physios told me that they pump air into you makes you have this lovely 6 month pg looking stomach! It was so swollen that they were struggling to get the injection in for the Fragmin blood thinner.

My surgeon was in at 8.30 this morning and found me with sick bowl! It seems that walking makes me feel dizzy. They had no answer for why and even asked the senior anaethetist. BP was fine. They think it is a combo of my existing drugs (anti-convulsants and anti-d's both for nerve pain) and the spinal.

I must say again that the spinal was fantastic. I would definitely go for one again over a GA if I had the choice. However I'm hoping that this is the last op now - 3 in 6 months for me with two involving HDU and ICU is enough!

Now just got to get back to work. 16 months off so far........ daytime TV is becoming very wearing Grin

fengirl1 · 30/03/2012 16:07

Kinda guessed that about the tum Ben10, so glad I don't go back to work for a while for fear of questions! I've got close enough to it at times with bloating already.
In the vein of things we can only say on here, I just tried to turn the telly over with my pelvitone control unit! Grin

ZumbaZara · 30/03/2012 19:15

As I mentioned before I have my pre op on Monday. My letter said I may be there for most of the day. It is difficult and expensive to park so I thought I would cycle. The hospital is about 30 minutes ride away.

Will any of the checks involve anything that means I won't be fit or safe to cycle back. I have been ringing all week for advice and can never get through.I hope that isn't a bad sign.

Glad you are safely back home Ben 10 and glad you are thinking your way through a difficult situation Fengirl.

Ben10NeverAgain · 30/03/2012 19:58

Zumba thanks for your best wishes. my bpre-op was privvate so maybe different. did wewight, bp, mrsa swab, measured for stockings, blood tests, went through pre-op qetionnaire and talked throgh options for me due to my other recent surgery. i wasn't even in there an hour and i did a lot bof talking.none of thatwould have stopped me from cycling

fengirl1 · 30/03/2012 20:04

I hope all goes well Zumba. I don't think there will be a problem with you cycling but I'm sure one of the other ladies will say if there might be. I know you asked about questions a while ago. It might be worth asking if mesh will be used as it can be for repairs, but not usually for a first repair. I know someone on here (Sure I think) who did not have everything the surgeon found at time of op repaired so it is worth asking about that too. I am also going to ask what happens if I'm constipated when I go in Blush as that is a problem of mine and I don't want to be worrying about it. Good luck with it all.

wouldratherbeskiing · 30/03/2012 21:10

Ben 10 - 3 in 6 months is enough for anybody. Interesting you say about the bloating as I'm still bloated 2 weeks on. Great you're home and on the road to recovery. There is nothing like being at home and sleeping in one's own bed.

Zumba - can't really add anything to Ben10's post. There shouldn't be any internal investigations which you may be thinking of that would put you off cycling. Just all the paperwork and bits and bobs as Ben10 has listed.

Fen - so pleased you have had some of your fears allayed - it scary enough without previous history. As for constipation I was really concerned about this. I was sent home with a gentle laxative - can't tell you what it was but I think it was milk of magnesia as I gave my friend the bottle. I was fine but felt relaxed by the fact that I had contingency plans with the glycerine suppositories (recommended a while ago on this thread). Definitely worth buying.

Big hug to everybody.

fengirl1 · 30/03/2012 22:37

Have a good weekend everyone. Smile

surewoman · 30/03/2012 23:43

Hi all - with regards to constipation before the op, I wasn't given anything and hadn't had a BM for over a week. When I asked why they didn't want me to have an enema or anything, they replied that they would empty my bowel manually - I felt very sorry for whoever had to do that as they would have had the length of my small intestine and lower bowel to clean out, Lol!!! I suppose they give you a colon irrigation or something whilst you are under?

Really just to say I wouldn't give it a second thought - their problem, not yours, and there is lactulose, senakot and suppositories etc. for afterwards should you need them! (part of me hopes I made a big stinky mess all over the consultant!!! - how childish, I know Grin)

Ben 10 - so glad you are home and feeling ok. Now make sure you rest up!!!

Fen - good news for you, you sound so much happier (I should really say 'write' happier posts, lol!) When is your op?

Zumba - my pre-op(s) were pretty straight forward, blood pressure, weight, swabs inside mouth, nose and crotch, brief history of any family health issues, paper work to sign, information leaflets to read (which were completely out of date as it turned out) and a nurse who reassured me I would be given a bed (big fat lie that was!) and I wouldn't be sent home straight away (another big fat lie) and that I would definately be given GA or spinal (another whopper as they wanted to do it under local) and everything would be fixed in one go (the biggest fib of them all) so all in all a pretty uneventful pre-op. I would say that you write down any questions and make sure someone who knows what they are talking about answers them. Good Luck x

surewoman · 30/03/2012 23:44

What happened to Nannasylv? Anyone know? x

fapl · 31/03/2012 00:12

Hi everyone,

I have been reading this thread because I really think I have some kind of prolapse, not sure what kind but things are not looking right down below and if I have to cough or sneeze I have to clench otherwise it feels like my insides are going to fly out.

I was so upset, well I still am, but I am also so angry.

Never has the term 'secret women's business' been more appropriate, except women are keeping this issue secret from each other! I did all my research when I was pregnant, read all the books, did my NCT classes and I never once heard about prolapse.

I know they always say pregnant women shouldn't lift things, but no one ever said why so I thought it was one of those bullshit type things like don't eat that cheese that pregnant women across the channel in France all eat when they are pregnant (ok, I was pretty relaxed in pregnancy, and got pissed off when people told me I couldn't do things that I thought I could). You also get people telling you sternly 'do your pelvic floor exercises' I just thought so after menopause I wouldn't we myself, I didn't know my insides could start to fall outside well before menopause, why don't we get told this stuff?!

Also, constipation, I thought was just an acute annoying thing to deal with at the time you can't shit, I never knew I was stuffing up my pelvic floor at the same time, I would have raced to the store to buy All Bran and dried fruit (since I have started on the All Bran my 2 1/2 year old insists on eating it but calls it All Brown, he was doing the worst nappies we tried to get him to not eat the stuff but he was having tantrums about it so we compromised and just sprinkle a little on top of his other cereal, but it is still now known as All Brown in our house).

Another one is people have a little giggle and say you can massage your perineum so you don't tear, but then nobody tells you how to do it and people talk about it like it is some alternative thing that people who want to give birth in hemp tents might do as foreplay with their partner while they are pregnant, and as i don't

I never even knew there was such a thing as a gynae physio until I made some joke to a friend about taking shares out in Tena, and she confided she had been seeing a physio for problems.

I have only just realised this problem after my 2nd child but I think a lot of the damage was done with my first which was an induced labour, 2 weeks over due, big baby, back to back and dragged out with rotational forceps. I think as standard women with instrumental vaginal births or births with other risk factors should as a matter of course be sent to a gynae physic for at least one session so it can be ensured that women at risk of prolapse know how to do pelvic floor exercises properly, and we should especially be warned when we are high risk of prolapse.

I am so so angry that this is so common and we are told nothing about it.

Anyway, another reason I wanted to post, as I have been googling, as you do, and came across the Kegel Queen, she has some clips which are very American and rather like infomercials (very unmumsnet), and she has webinars this weekend. Does anybody know what she is about and what she is trying to flog, and whether the information she provides is worthwhile?

Something about this whole thing doesn't seem right to me, like hardly any midwives can actually help with breastfeeding problems and there is no support for that so breastfeeding rates are so low, it seems like there is no knowledge or support for women with prolapse in the medical profession. Surely women have not been having their insides fall out for centuries and been keeping quiet about it. What is going wrong?

Sorry for this long post, but I am angry, angry, angry. Did I forget to mention how bloody angry I am?! Sorry for such a long post, I had a few things to get off my chest.

Ben10NeverAgain · 31/03/2012 08:24

you see a little peturbed fapl Grin.

no you are right. noone talks about it, peple go off fr "ops" at work and no-one knows why. my aunt and my mum had this at 40. i'm 35.they didn't tell me.

have you seen a gynae? do you know what prolapse you have?

fapl · 31/03/2012 09:57

No I don't know whats going on down there except it isn't quite right and I can see something bulging that I don't recognise. I am also having a bit of trouble pooing despite all the fibre, which I guess is better than feacal incontinence. I haven't been to a doctor yet, for various reasons I have not been happy with my GP surgery so I want to change surgeries before I go to somebody about this. My friend that had physio said her GP is really nice so I am going to change to that surgery. I figure if women can keep quiet about these things and live with it for years I can wait a few more weeks.

Ben10 I bet your mum and aunt also had this problem at age 35, it just took them till they were 40 to mention it to anybody Grin

To be honest if nobody else is in RL is talking about it either will I, I don't want to be the only one standing up saying my vagina is falling out while everybody else is keeping quiet.

happy2beme · 31/03/2012 11:14

Hi all got 5 min while DD2 is at her football game xx
Fapl you are right , nobody tells you this but , not even family my mum and sister both have issues and my sis was 34 when she had Hyst. It ranks up there with the resting place of the HOLY GRAIL. But you can rant all you like on here, we all do from time to time :)
After I got over the 1st hurdle of telling people Blush did miss out the bit that I couldnt poo with no hands lol megaBlush. I got better at anouncing it to all and sundry,I tell them I have had polyurethane scaffolding put in Grin. Quite fun to see who you can make blush lol xx most of us suffer for a long time before we attend GP so a few more weeks will not do you any harm when you are in the right place/time you will xx
Zumba - pre-op same as others bloods,wieght ,hieght,measured for stockings, information leaflet, Bp, consent form and general information discussion with Cons and Nurse xxx
Constipation prior to op was not an issue I took enough aperient (poo med) to move a mountain. I took 4 movical mixed with orange juice, no panic was not trying to OD on the stuff, you can take up to 8 in any given day xx although I went in to hospital the day before and they did ask if I had managed a bowel motion as they would have given me something. Failing that they manually evacuate the portion of the bowel they are working on , by hand. Not a nice thing I know I have had to do it for some-one yeuk!! hence the 4 movicol xx But if you can start to soften up the poo pre -op it helps tremendously with the first post-op poo. Which believe me is like psychological warfare xx
Ben the straight Poo's are wonderful haha I still look in the loo my private obsession GrinGrin . I actually anounced to my hubby with glee the first time ...... got the TMI look Grin!!
Well DH and DD2 in now I am away to prepare for a sleepover for 4 11yr olds tonight , the joys xxx
Hope all are well and yeh Sure did wonder how Nannysylv was should she not have had the results of her MRI? by now ??, not like her to be absent for so long?? Oh well hope she is fine xxxx

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fengirl1 · 31/03/2012 13:02

Oh Footle, that's bad luck about your elbow Sad. I think we should all have car stickers and badges with FFC (Fallen Fanjo Club) on them and wait for people to ask!Grin I'm much less shy now about it.

Everglades · 31/03/2012 17:56

Hi Ladies,
Haven't posted in months but still read the posts regularly.
While you are on about things we never knew, Fapl - the one I never knew is that Vaginal Atrophy can happen after the meno and that it can cause, incontinence, utis, impossible sex etc etc. I thought I had read up quite a lot on the menopause when I was in my forties and took HRT for 9 years because of fainting due to hormone swings (oh yes, I didn't know that could happen either!) but then some years later started with UTIs, kidney infections and terrible stinging and soreness. Took me another 2 years (with no help from GP) to find out that I need topical oestrogen which is a lifesaver.
Just thought I'd add that onto your list, hope you don't mind :)

Broken elbow sounds tricky and painful , Footle :(
take care all of you

Ben10NeverAgain · 31/03/2012 18:44

Ouch Footle

Well have been in lots of pain :( Called hospital this morning in a right state as tramadol, naproxen and paracetemol weren't doing the same as oramorph did in hospital. Have now subbed the paracetemol for co-codomol and I feel so much better. DH sent me to bed where I stayed for 4 hrs this afternoon while he entertained DS (he can't play by himself, he doesn't know to). I feel like a different person than I did this morning.

Ben10NeverAgain · 31/03/2012 18:47

Only taking 7 different meds a day now Grin

Ben10NeverAgain · 31/03/2012 19:55

BTW Noone answered whether I can use a Mooncup once healed. I did email them and they said to ask my surgeon but I thought I'd ask the advice of the experts Grin

happy2beme · 31/03/2012 20:07

Ben soz cant help xx I dont need anything hubby had snip was his turn to endure I recond :). hope you feel better I think everbody under estimates the pain they will be in post op , take things easy, rest plenty and make sure you do your leg exercises and wear your stockings .. sorry habits die hard its the nurse in me lol xxxx

fengirl1 · 31/03/2012 20:19

I don't know for sure, but I would imagine it would probably be a good idea to use pads for the first period (when healed) just to get a feel of how it will be now and then maybe venture to use it? As long as you don't suction it on your cervix and then give it a good yank I can't imagine it would do any harm (and I reckon you'll know if it's a bad idea when you try to put it in.) just imagine if you could boast about using the big size before and now needing the small Grin!

happy2beme · 31/03/2012 20:28

haha how silly am I goes to show i thought you were talking about contraception lol few glasses of vino not helping xxx excuse me Blush.
I didnt use anything but pads for first few mths only just gone on to tampons, you will hve stitches that probs wont be disolved fully for a good few weeks xx
there is an increased risk of infection when inserting thing inside ( so consultant told me) best wait till you have had first post op check xx

Ben10NeverAgain · 31/03/2012 20:30

haha Fen. I have to say that everything down there seems much smaller, even the labia (TMI again!) I think I would be a bit scared of pulling everything down again with a mooncup. I'm normally a tampon user. Might just have to stick with it.

happy I have my stockings on like a good girl. At least they aren't the thigh high ones I had last time. They were such a pain to get on with chest drains etc and a missing rib Grin

Just wanted to say to anyone having the op soon, don't be shy about asking for more pain relief. I've had the works inc morphine in the last week and now taking the painkillers alternately tramadol and co-codomol has sorted out the pain and I'm OK now. My nervous system is messed up though from previous surgeries and nerve compression so I don't know whether that level of pain relief is necessary for everyone. Just don't keep quiet as it is harder to get out of pain once it has reached a certain stage IME than if you deal with it before it gets to that stage.

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