This illustrates why your vaccine choice matters to the rest of us

[CatherinaJTV]

one family's vaccine refusal killed one, another child, infected by the same unvaccinated pre-teen is still dying (since 2005):

justthevax.blogspot.com/2011/10/so-predictable-so-sad-natalie-dies-of.html

And durr Catherina do you think those of us who have some unvaccinated children (because breaking news I have a child who is vaccinated and others who aren't) don't realise there are risks with not vaccinating. My mother is deaf in one ear from measles - and guess what? Fully supports our decision not to vaccinate ds2 and ds3.

I take it Catherina isn't going to be helping us get ds1 a voice. Oh well. :crosses her off list:

Saintlyjimjams - a voice as in Stephen Hawking? Do you want to PN me details and I see whether I have any ideas?

lockets - sorry was out shopping - no of course I am not calling you a liar - I am sure you believe that measles from vaccines got transmitted and probably, a fair number of doctors told you that this is the case, and the timing was right. I still do not believe it (unless there was sequencing data from the secondary case)...

If more parents REFUSED to vaccinate their children on the basis that it was not proven as effective and/or safe, then the government/nhs would have to take a closer look and insist on higher levels of effectiveness and/or safety to cover a greater percentage of the population.

if more parents refused to vaccinate, we would see many more cases of dead children from diseases and the government would introduce mandatory vaccination... (an alternative hypothesis)

jimjams - I see that you were talking of a vaccinated child transmitting wild rubella - yes, that happens, it is very rare though, especially in areas where wild rubella does not circulate due to high vaccination coverage, where the (in the case of rubella - very few) children with primary vaccination failure are not getting exposed in the first place.

Pag, are you now Queen of MN? I did vote for you.

Can't you put a stop to this kind of nonsense? We don't need offensive threads like this.

The govt would not introduce mandatory vaccines because the govt is always going to want to get elected.

They don't act solely in the welfare of children. Otherwise they would give a toss about children like my son. Which they don't.

It's all about votes and fortunately over here we tend to respect peoples freedom of choice -rather than the voices of smug, self appointed arbiters of what is right.

I should be Queen.
I can't really believe they went for the fish. I should have demanded a recount

I would ban wankers

Catherina, I think you are misunderstanding what Lockets and JJ are saying. They are not suggesting that the child passed on measles and rubella from having the live vaccine. They are saying that the vaccines failed in both cases and therefore the children in question caught the viruses despite being vaccinated and in turn, passed the virua onto other children.

I'm sure you know that the very reason they give two doses of the MMR is due to a lower than ideal immunity rate from just one dose. Therefore, in some areas a child will, despite having had one dose, remain open to the viruses between the age of 14mths and close to 4yrs.

"vaccine refusers turn their children into potential murder weapons"

what a load of half witted bumbling hyperbolic fuckwittery. I suppose you think all men are potential rapists as well.

in that case ALL DRIVERS OF VEHICLES are potential murderers. As is everyone else, in some way or other. I could provide more examples but I really can't be arsed.

And, tbh, I think pag and jimjams (haven't seen you for ages btw jj) are keeping remarkably cool given that you are almost calling them liars.

"vaccine refusers turn their children into potential murder weapons"

Could you be more offensive?

What a fuckwitted ignorant shitty thing to say.

My second daughter is a fucking murder weapon and my eldest daughter is fucked due to a vaccine. What fun to discuss this sort of thing to while away the time by provoking parents of sick children.

Surely this sort of post breaks MN guidelines of this site being supportive?

Fuck fuck fuckity fuck this is why I rarely post in this section any more.

Another one who was pro vaccine until my child reacted badly to one.

Hi pag, silver and all the others who get it.

OP how fucking dare you???

Catherine how do you respond to the medical reality that many vaccinated children still fall victim to the illnesses anyway.

Or did the big bad mommas of MN just make that up as well? Or maybe the Doctors invented it, who can say? and maybe Shergar is alive and kicking and chewing the fat with Lord bloody Lucan.

Catherine how do you respond to the medical reality that many vaccinated children still fall victim to the illnesses anyway.

Where are all those kids with measles? Where are the ones with congenital rubella? Where are the cases of hib?

Oh, Pag, I had no idea they went for the fish.

That's just so wrong.

You will be Queen of the Common People of MN.

And of course the Voice of Reason.

OP how fucking dare you???

well, one of the reason may be that I have not heard a single non-vaccinating parent say "holy shit, what a nightmare for that poor girl's parents" (and that is not only referring to you here, but to others who are aware of the case).

I have not been here long enough to know the other posters' stories, but I maintain that unvaccinated children have a significantly higher risk of transmitting VPDs and that if you choose not to vaccinate for any reason, you need to be aware that this could be the cause for a similar catastrophe as in my original post.

donnie - did not call anyone liar and as you will read, I misunderstood what they (at least jimjam) had been saying and clarified.

Because you think we don't know that?

You think we don't research this stuff ?

And you think we don't care about dead or dying children?

Listen to yourself for goodness sake.

It is easy to be holier than thou and on an extremely high horse, as long as you are not personally involved with vaccine damage. A bit of respect and thought wouldn't go amiss for those of us who are.

Why do you think posting ignorant, crass, offensive, thoughtless, shitty stuff about our children is a good idea??

I just pointed out that a vaccinated child passed measles to my child. The child was vaccinated but clearly not immune, the parent presumed immunity meant their child could not have the measles.

I don't doubt that a second.