This illustrates why your vaccine choice matters to the rest of us

[CatherinaJTV]

one family's vaccine refusal killed one, another child, infected by the same unvaccinated pre-teen is still dying (since 2005):

justthevax.blogspot.com/2011/10/so-predictable-so-sad-natalie-dies-of.html

Why does an indvidual parent have to be responsible for the risks to other children? Why not the government?

As for doctors - I rang out hours as I thought ds2 might have measles - cough, red eyes blah blah. Was told to bring him to the out of hours. On arrival I was out in a full waiting from. I asked whether that was a good idea so they put us in a quiet waiting room with a baby. I again suggested that wasn't a good Idea but they said it was fine.

Yeah - there are incompetent doctors and you did the best you could.

Ds1 caught rubella from a vaccinated child.

I doubt that (and the only thing that would convince me is laboratory data with sequenced vaccine rubella strain in the secondary case)

Blog is from an America site. Different Health system, different vaccination programme. Therefore I ignore all US health discussions.

I know KM.

I have to give my 'voice of reasonable discourse' badge back.

But honest to God. Sometimes the arses on here....

Well once I knew that ds1 had been exposed to a wild rubella infection we stayed in. So we didn't spread it. Unlike the mother of the vaccinated chikd who spread it far and wide not realising (fair enough) that her child could have rubella despite being vaccinated.

responsible non vaccinating mother shocker stop press!

I used to be very pro vaccination. We were first in the queue for meningitis c. I'm sure many of us on here were very pro vax. It's a nice secure place to be. My non-verbal 12 year old reminds me my life is no longer quite so simple. But enjoy yourself on your high horse over there.

According to CDC there have been cases if SSPE following vaccination (but it doesn't say which type of jab).

The risk of any serious complications of measles (which usually means an encephalitis) is about 1:2000. The rate for SSPE is much, much lower.

By all means point out the risks of this disease, but there's no need to overdo it with inaccurate stats.

I don't normally get involved in these threads but really, OP:

However, any parent who does not vaccinate their children for whatever reason needs to be aware of the uncalculable risk they are putting other peoples' children in...

Of course people know. They don't generally just not vaccinate because they can't be arsed, now do they? Indeed, most people who choose not to vaccinate are better informed than those who do, IME.

And for the record, my two are vaccinated.

By the by, in the US I thought it was compulsory to vaccinate in order to get a school place? Genuine question.

You doubt it? Really? Why? Said child infected both mine and my friend's kids. Friend's gp's diagnosed rubella - rash came up in the right order. And the child's own GP diagnosed rubella. I didn't bother with the GP as the rash came up at the correct time and looked pretty classic. Wasn't sure about ds2 a couple of weeks later. Mild illness but no rash - we stayed in anyway, just in case.

I'm not sure why you'd be surprised - the rubella vaccination is known to not have 100% efficacy.

Sorry, Star I think I did you a disservice.

Oh that's good Kerry :) yes yes about money. We're currently trying to find 6 grand for ds1. He had a trial with a talker which he loved ( and he is gutted that it has gone back) but we need the £££££'s now. Have applied to health/education and SS but we're expecting a no :(

Ah OK, thanks Kerry.

The risk of any serious complications of measles (which usually means an encephalitis) is about 1:2000. The rate for SSPE is much, much lower.

Edith - that is not correct - the overall SSPE risk is about 1 in 22000 (for nice discussion, see www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16235165

In infants, it is significantly higher (S Arenz Kinderärztl Praxis 77:29-31 (2006), which is a German source, sorry) and Dr Arenz, who has looked at German SSPE cases puts it to at least 1 in 2000 for infants who contract measles.

ah look. I have been deleted.

I can go back to being all sensible again.

I must remember to avoid phrases like sanctimonious cow in future.

No problem Tabitha, I didn't much have a clue what you were on about and us SN mothers are 'ard anyway!

And fuck off

Saintly - or rubella happened to go round at that moment. If the rubella portion of the MMR would be that contagious, we'd see more cases of congenital rubella and we don't. I would really like to see a laboratory confirmed case, because after 40+ years of rubella vaccinations, the only transmission that has been reported is between breastfeeding vaccinated mother and nurseling (i.e. after exchange of a liter of virus containing fluid per day). Contact between children does not get this intense.

Pagwatch - I did not report you though. If I come here this provocatively, I need to be able to take the flack...

lockets - again, I would like to have a case like that laboratory confirmed - there is not one in the literature...