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This illustrates why your vaccine choice matters to the rest of us

346 replies

CatherinaJTV · 21/10/2011 09:14

one family's vaccine refusal killed one, another child, infected by the same unvaccinated pre-teen is still dying (since 2005):

justthevax.blogspot.com/2011/10/so-predictable-so-sad-natalie-dies-of.html

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Beachcomber · 21/10/2011 19:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure you believe that your child is vaccine damaged/caught measles from a vaccinated child/ete, etc but I, who has never met your child, Know Better Than You because you are deluded.

These people are just so transparent with their totally lack of respect and their The World Is Black And White thought processes.

And they are so boring because they all post the same ignorant crap.

Pagwatch · 21/10/2011 19:40

Catherine

You really are quite spectacularly bigoted.

Did you really just try and castigate me for not responding to your emotionally vampiric op? Have you said one solitary word acknowledging my sons loss?

You are a piece of work.

Seriously. Could you go away. You are unpleasant on many different levels. In a week when celebs have been contemplating just how bad shouting mong is compared to, you know, the rights of multi millionaires to pull faces on Twitter , you are just about finishing me off.

Please go away. Before I am stuck with this vision of the world filled with tight ass, selfish fuckwittery.

saintlyjimjams · 21/10/2011 19:43

Well there were quite a few cases of hib weren't there - that's why they introduced a second vaccination after introducing the 'one jab for life'.

There's a school of thought that with reduced (for example) measles circulation that immunity will wane and further boosters will need to be given. There does seem to be a problem with mumps - more adults getting it these days - which of course is the group more likely to have complications. I still don't understand why they vaccinate against mumps. I'd really rather my young boys had an exposure to the natural virus.

Hullygully · 21/10/2011 19:47

Come, Paggy. One fuckwit does not a fuckworld make.

StarlightMcKenzie · 21/10/2011 19:48

I only believe I caught measles when I was 10 whilst vaccinated. Perhaps the doctors made a mistake and vaccinated me against something else, or perhaps I just imagined the itches so strong I spent a week clawing at my skin............

Beachcomber · 21/10/2011 19:49

Yes, OP, please go away.

Alternatively do a search on MN and read some other threads on this topic. You might learn something because I suspect what you know about these issues could be scribbled on the back of an envelope.

CatherinaJTV · 21/10/2011 19:50

pag - I have no idea what happened to your son, how would I? Do you think everyone should automatically know (by diffusion)? I have not been here very long and I do not keep little score cards about peoples' backgrounds (yet) but

Ricky G has mutated to this massive arsehole in midlife crisis - I am glad we agree on one thing :)

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CatherinaJTV · 21/10/2011 19:52

I only believe I caught measles when I was 10 whilst vaccinated. Perhaps the doctors made a mistake and vaccinated me against something else, or perhaps I just imagined the itches so strong I spent a week clawing at my skin............

I totally believe that, all I was doubting (and that was based on a misunderstanding) was transmission of vaccine virus to someone who then got sick with the disease.

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silverfrog · 21/10/2011 19:52

Catherina - I am sure you were on the recent thread where an hdu nurse admitted that no records are kept on whether the children admitted with complications from measles are vaccinated or unvaccinated...

which just about says it all.

if the data is not taken, then the denial can be kept up: the delusion that the vaccine works, that all chidren who receive the vaccine become immune, never contract the disease etc etc. and that of course, all cases of measles being spread about (or substitute whatever illness you like, quite frankly) are done so by unvaccinated children.

you have, twice on this thread alone, misinterpreted very clear accounts given by 2 posters of their children catching diseases from a vaccinated child. what you were tryng to achieve by that only you know, but no one else made the astounding leaps you did, and took the stories at face value, and form what was written it was clear what theposters meant. quite why you were desperate to point out that something they had not said was not documented as possible is beyond me...

Pagwatch · 21/10/2011 19:54

I have posted on here. On this thread. It isn't difficult to work out.

But you are not desperately interested in others are you? Just your own bubble.

silverfrog · 21/10/2011 19:59

Pagwatch, as Catherina has already shown, she only reads what she wants to on the thread. what posters actually write is irrelevant.

CalatalieSisters · 21/10/2011 20:03

I appreciate that this is a very very sensitive issue, and one that is very very painful for the parents of vaccine-damaged children. But it does seem to me that the OP is being hounded unfairly and that she has posted her opinions in a reasonable way

silverfrog · 21/10/2011 20:04

what part of 'if you leave your children unvaccinated you are turning them into murder weapons' would you call reasonable, Calatalie?

CatherinaJTV · 21/10/2011 20:04

silverfrog - the misunderstandings were not deliberate and they have been clarified. They may have been clear to you, they clearly weren't to me. Obviously my shortcoming.

I am sure you were on the recent thread where an hdu nurse admitted that no records are kept on whether the children admitted with complications from measles are vaccinated or unvaccinated...

No, I wasn't. But that would not surprise me at all. I tried to get some numbers (complications in vaccinated vs unvaccinated patients) out of the HPA and while their responses were friendly, they were not accurate and I ended up giving up (they kept referring me to their publications, but I searched them and the info I was looking for was not there - or - see above - not in a format recognisable to me).

Nevertheless - I have had my kids in 6 different kindergartens and 3 different schools in 4 different countries on 2 different continents and I have not seen or heard of a single case of measles. Also, epidemiology from outbreaks for which vaccinated vs unvaccinated info is available (for most cases, never for all) clearly shows that measles vaccine works pretty well. Not perfect, but a lot better than staying unvaccinated.

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Pagwatch · 21/10/2011 20:05

S'alright.

You are very kind hully and silverfrog.

You know when you just have those days.....

I talk about ds2 all the time but I try not to whine. But his life is so hard. He is so scared and bewildered all the time. That being the subject of indifferent taunting by smart arse cut and paste tossers just makes me irritated.

Not often. Just today. Tomorrow I shall be lovely again. And put my potty mouth into storage.

CatherinaJTV · 21/10/2011 20:05

Thank you Calatalie

and yes, Silverfrog - I was provocative - but I was/am also angry (I explained why, in this thread)

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onagar · 21/10/2011 20:09

Reading the whole thread in one go it is clear that Catherina is deliberately ignoring/twisting the points that don't support her.

I'd be more worried about catching her attitude than I would be the disease.

silverfrog · 21/10/2011 20:09

Pagwatch - I do indeed know those days well. have not been around as much the last couple of weeks (RL shit), and what a surprise - pop back, and whaddya know? multiple threads full of bigotry and ignorance

punkinpie · 21/10/2011 20:12

Grin onagar.

Thanks to our Queen.

silverfrog · 21/10/2011 20:14

Catherina: I can get angry. easily. whenever I think about the fact that dd1 will not ever life the life she could have lived. I see that daily. I see her fear, and confusion, and incomprehension of most things around her.

your anger does not make it ok to attack parents who are trying to do the best by their children.

mrsravelstein · 21/10/2011 20:17

There does seem to be a problem with mumps - more adults getting it these days - which of course is the group more likely to have complications. I still don't understand why they vaccinate against mumps. I'd really rather my young boys had an exposure to the natural virus.

i totally agree jimjams - in fact i sometimes feel rather aggrieved about the many people who selfishly (only slightly tongue in cheek) vaccinate against mumps which increases the likelihood of my sons getting mumps in adulthood when it will be significantly worse for them than the mild childhood disease it would otherwise be.

CatherinaJTV · 21/10/2011 20:20

Silverfrog - point taken, thank you for taking the time to explain.

onagar - I am afraid I don't get what you mean :o

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CatherinaJTV · 21/10/2011 20:20

which increases the likelihood of my sons getting mumps in adulthood

who are they going to catch mumps from?

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punkinpie · 21/10/2011 20:21

Vaccinated kids.

Beachcomber · 21/10/2011 20:21

Catalatie, calling my child a 'murder weapon' is not reasonable.

A bit like Pagwatch, I am often very reasonable and patient on these threads. But I am not a saint, and I have taken offence at the use of the words 'murder' and 'weapon' in relation to my youngest daughter She is a person not a weapon and she is not a murderer. I think that post wins the prize for the most offensive piece of vomit inducing crap I have ever seen on MN (and I have seen some corkers).

My eldest is vaccine damaged, and today has not been a great one for her. I am not feeling like indulging fuckwits.