This illustrates why your vaccine choice matters to the rest of us

[CatherinaJTV]

one family's vaccine refusal killed one, another child, infected by the same unvaccinated pre-teen is still dying (since 2005):

justthevax.blogspot.com/2011/10/so-predictable-so-sad-natalie-dies-of.html

So why do people 'chose' to not vaccinate their children?

Laziness?

Murderous behaviour?

Why?

Tabitha, for measles the risk/benefit ratio of vaccine vs disease is most striking.

Laziness? Murderous behaviour??????
Hmm. I think you've made your point of view quite clear.

If you had the smallest ounce of humanity you would have recognises that there are women on here who have vaccine damaged children. Women who cannot vaccinate. And women who have genuine concerns about vaccinating.

If you wished to persuade them you would support, encourage, engage, debate.

But you don't want to do that. Do you.

Starlight - I don't know about these parents' motivation. I do know that they caught their son up on all of his vaccine after he infected the six kids in the doctor's practice. And I do pity them. I am sure this was not intentional in any way shape or form.

These parents did not vaccinate their boys because of eczema:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14681760

What I am saying is that whatever your concerns are - you are risking more than your own child's health and that is something that is well out of your control.

Pagwatch,

I have an online acquaintance whose daughter has severe epilepsy and grand mals are triggered by vaccination. Yet, she had to drug up her daughter up to the whazoo and get her the MMR because of the vaccine refusal of people who could vaccinate but don't, measles had made it within 80 miles of her house and wild measles may very well have killed her child.

Do you seriously think I don't know that?

Do you seriously think that mothers who cannot vaccinate don't worry about that?

And in what possible way do you think that telling me that my DD is a murder weapon is helpful?

And how deeply unpleasant do you think I should view your behaviour as I sit here with my ill profoundly disabled, vaccine damaged son?

Or do you just not give a shit?

D0G - then I hope your doctor does home visits...

It is not MY responsibility to protect the nations children with the sacrafice of mine. Sorry, but I do not accept that and never will.

It isn't as if, once you have a vaccine damaged child you get any frigging support or help. You don't. You get blamed for poor parenting if you want the truth, forced to give up your job, your life and your expectations for your child.

of course I do, Pagwatch, but I have actually not seen the concerns for others discussed here before...

I chose not to vaccinate my child. To prevent possible damage to him. I didn't want to take the risk. If anyone thinks this is an easy decision, they are mistaken.

But WHY don't they Catherine?

I think you really need to get to the bottom of that to get to the crux of the 'problem'.

Sorry Catherina you are wrong. There are known cases of sspe after measles vaccination. CBA to search but here's something from an ex public health official (presumably from the time they tended to be sane)

www.bmj.com/content/323/7317/875.1/reply

So what, you think " I know I will call their children murder weapons. That will get their attention
And screw anyone I upset on the way"

As for doctors - I rang out hours as I thought ds2 might have measles - cough, red eyes blah blah. Was told to bring him to the out of hours. On arrival I was out in a full waiting from. I asked whether that was a good idea so they put us in a quiet waiting room with a baby. I again suggested that wasn't a good Idea but they said it was fine. Luckily it wasn't measles (and if I suspect it again I'll refuse to have them examined in a public space).

Ds1 caught rubella from a vaccinated child.

Starlight - I understand that and I am sorry. I know support is direly lacking for children with special needs (no matter what the origin). However, any parent who does not vaccinate their children for whatever reason needs to be aware of the uncalculable risk they are putting other peoples' children in...

I'm told that, if a child has measles, we ought to keep them warm in bed. I know, I know, a doc won't come and give the diagnosis.

Actually I'm copying and pasting this from the bmj thread as it's an example of a public health person talking good sense:

Measles, MMR, SSPE
J K Anand, Retired public health physician
First of all may I offer my sympathies for the tragedy Dr Morrison's family suffered. But may I also say that there is an error somewhere. Adam is 20. Nineteen years ago MMR vaccine did not exist in the UK. Perhaps it was measles vaccine that Adam was due to receive a month after measles struck?

Secondly, I agree that the risk of SSPE after measles should be discussed. But Dr Morrison forgets to mention that SSPE can also be a complication of measles vaccine. The GP should also discuss the risks of SSPE after MMR vaccination. It is a curious fact that the 1999-2000 data sheet for MMRII mentions the risk of SSPE after measles vaccination but omits the relative risk after MMR II. Why? Lastly, the BNF for 1985 states (page 385) that mumps and its complications are rarely serious. For this reason it goes on to suggest that there is little indication for the routine use of mumps vaccine. About time monovalent measles vaccine was reintroduced.

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Published 16 October 2001

sspe after measles vaccination

yes, but not because of SSPE - there are a number of older publications that find SSPE after measles, vaccination, measles and vaccination, or without either. However, postmortem analysis always finds wild virus. Vaccination does not cause SSPE, that is why it has become so rare.

Catherina I could also catch measles as an adult. My jab probably wore off years ago.