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General election 2024

Middle class biological women prepare to be relegated to being second class citizens by the end of the week

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Mycatsmudge · 01/07/2024 09:38

The Labour Party is expected to win a huge majority in the GE on Thursday. My fears are their stance on trans rights which are being prioritised over those of biological women and this will risk our safety, opportunities and dignity. I also work in the NHS and read what is happening to the nurses in Darlington with horror.

My other concern is they have not been transparent on their plans on how to raise money for their spending pledges other than say they will invest and reap the benefit of green technology. This is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. I can only conclude we will be taxed even more but stealthy.

Then I read this in their manifesto:
‘Expansion of the Equality Act 2010Labour will implement the socioeconomic protected characteristic of the Equality Act, also the socioeconomic duty under Section 1 of the Equality Act and ensure equality impact assessments of government policy are conducted.5 Jun 2024’
To me this means richer areas will get less money from government for public services than poorer areas. I live in an area which is very boringly middle class but our public services are already cut to the bone(bin collections fortnightly, potholes left for months, all adult evening classes gone) but we still pay a hefty amount of council tax.

So under a Labour government I as a biological woman, working in the NHS on the frontline and will be expected to share our women’s changing rooms with any man with a GRC. I will probably be taxed more as a higher rate taxpayer because the tax bands have stayed static for years and I will expect less public services because I live in the suburbs but my council taxes will most likely increase just to sustain what we already have

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AutumnCrow · 01/07/2024 13:01

MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 12:53

Liz Truss's Bill to define sex as biological sex was filibustered by Labour MPs and you know it.

Worth repeating.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 01/07/2024 13:01

Why do you only care about Middle class women? I'm a middle class woman and, whilst I cannot agree with Starmer on trans issues, I'm going to be thinking of Working class women when I ote. You know,the ones forced to use foodbanks due to Tory austerity, the ones who don't get support from Sure Start centres because the Tories have cut them. The ones bringing up their children in poorly maintained rental properties because the Tories have allowed BtL to be practically unregulated.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 13:01

Champagnesocialismo · 01/07/2024 12:53

Given that a Labour victory is a near certainty, what are Labour hostile posters going to do?

is it?

a) gnash teeth
b) wait for Kemi Badenoch to say what she would have done if only she had the chance?
c) attempt to influence Labour?

If it’s not c) then this thread is ridiculous

Surely it's the people who really want Labour to win who should be trying to influence them.

midgetastic · 01/07/2024 13:02

Austerity was not the fault of labour - there is lots of decent analysis out there and the general consensus ( even among right wing economists) is that it was the Tory government stupidity

Others might say it wasn't stupidity but deliberate attempts to erase the middle class but that's a more left wing view

Champagnesocialismo · 01/07/2024 13:02

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 12:55

They legislated for single sex spaces, up to them they were being used by everyone! Labour plans to reverse that legislation by the way.

Point to this legislation please. You are otherwise misleading posters as to the currency of the action.

PS - is it a) or b)? I assume you won’t be up for c)

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/07/2024 13:03

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 13:00

The swearing isn't directed specifically at you, it's general frustration.

It should not be a binary choice between the fucking Tories and people who don't accept that women have the right to exist.

What a time to be alive.

Nobody thinks women don't have the right to exist. I don't know where you're getting information that this is happening but it's wrong.

Is the media in your country reporting this nonsense @MissScarletInTheBallroom?

KateDelRick · 01/07/2024 13:04

EmmaGrundyForPM · 01/07/2024 13:01

Why do you only care about Middle class women? I'm a middle class woman and, whilst I cannot agree with Starmer on trans issues, I'm going to be thinking of Working class women when I ote. You know,the ones forced to use foodbanks due to Tory austerity, the ones who don't get support from Sure Start centres because the Tories have cut them. The ones bringing up their children in poorly maintained rental properties because the Tories have allowed BtL to be practically unregulated.

This. Millions of women at the sharp end.

KateDelRick · 01/07/2024 13:05

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/07/2024 13:03

Nobody thinks women don't have the right to exist. I don't know where you're getting information that this is happening but it's wrong.

Is the media in your country reporting this nonsense @MissScarletInTheBallroom?

Thank you. My feelings exactly.

Champagnesocialismo · 01/07/2024 13:05

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 13:01

Surely it's the people who really want Labour to win who should be trying to influence them.

You assume they would be unhappy with Labour policy? Surely if I am campaigning on this issue, and that I am worried about what they will do, then my obligation is to carry on?

Otherwise it might look rather like I’d just exploited the issue for political gain for the election and didn’t really care about what I claimed to…

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 13:06

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 12:55

They legislated for single sex spaces, up to them they were being used by everyone! Labour plans to reverse that legislation by the way.

Labour brought in the Equality Act. The Tories did nothing to legislate for single sex spaces.

Ohgoodlord · 01/07/2024 13:06

CraftyNavySeal · 01/07/2024 09:44

Under the Tories women have been murdered due to cuts to probation services and policing, women and children have been forced into poverty and made dependent on food banks.

As much as I think genderwang is bollocks I think women will be fine seeing a trans woman in the bathroom occasionally

Fuck that shit. I won't be even remotely happy. I'm no fan of men but there's not one right minded, decent man who would want to invade women's spaces. So the ONLY men wanting access are doing it for sinister or nefarious reasons. Fuck. That. Shit.

KateDelRick · 01/07/2024 13:08

Labour have no plans to eradicate women or say that they have no right to exist.
It really is nonsense, and doesn't help discussion.
If anyone is panicking at the thought of a Labour government, perhaps it's other issues that are of concern?

Ohgoodlord · 01/07/2024 13:10

And if any of them are reading this (and they will be, getting their rocks off at the prospect), then just know that you are absolutely NOT welcome in my toilets/changing rooms/sports/hospital wards and ALL the women I know think the same way.

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 13:11

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 12:51

The austerity was the fault of Labour in the first place for blowing so much money and over spending and getting us into huge debt! Can we stick with the actual facts please.

Yes, can we please? Austerity was an ideological choice made after a global financial crisis. It was entirely unnecessary.

KateDelRick · 01/07/2024 13:13

I remember just before the election of 97 people were convinced that the car industry would collapse. They claimed that introducing the minimum wage would mean millions unemployed. Predictable.

Bbq1 · 01/07/2024 13:13

It's all getting a bit hysterical about gendering etc. I don't neccesarily agree with it but I will be one of those happily voting Labour, helping to wipe the Tories out. All the Tory supporters have short memories forgetting what Sunak and the like have done to this country. What's being middle class got to do with it? Is it linked to some m/c children going to "indies"? Are the m/c concerned that they will have to pay more to privately educate their children? Oh well, never mind, they will survive. Meanwhile, there are children in this country who don't have enough to eat (due to the Tories) never mind attend private school but maybe they don't matter to some voters.

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 13:13

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 13:11

Yes, can we please? Austerity was an ideological choice made after a global financial crisis. It was entirely unnecessary.

Poor Gordan, he's constantly being blamed for something worldwide that started in the States. We won't mention how the Tories haven't touched the deficit or how high debt is now. They might get the vapours.

YouZirName · 01/07/2024 13:15

Ohgoodlord · 01/07/2024 13:10

And if any of them are reading this (and they will be, getting their rocks off at the prospect), then just know that you are absolutely NOT welcome in my toilets/changing rooms/sports/hospital wards and ALL the women I know think the same way.

And yet. Progress marches on, and you lose.

CatMadam · 01/07/2024 13:15

Trans people aren’t out to get you. Relax.

Champagnesocialismo · 01/07/2024 13:15

If it was that important to the Tory Party they would have done something legislative. They haven’t.

It wasn’t beyond their competence. They just like this much better as a wedge issue, and don’t deliver.

KateDelRick · 01/07/2024 13:15

Gordon Brown acted quickly to stop the possibility of banks collapsing. People should look up how much that cost the taxpayer. A bit more worrying than having to pay a bit more for school fees.

CatMadam · 01/07/2024 13:16

Ohgoodlord · 01/07/2024 13:10

And if any of them are reading this (and they will be, getting their rocks off at the prospect), then just know that you are absolutely NOT welcome in my toilets/changing rooms/sports/hospital wards and ALL the women I know think the same way.

I don’t think the same way and I’m a woman. I’m just not a silly bigot, which does help.

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 13:16

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 13:13

Poor Gordan, he's constantly being blamed for something worldwide that started in the States. We won't mention how the Tories haven't touched the deficit or how high debt is now. They might get the vapours.

Oh, let’s mention it.

Middle class biological women prepare to be relegated to being second class citizens by the end of the week
countrygirl99 · 01/07/2024 13:16

Has anyone mentioned how the Tories have doubled both the number of people paying higher rate tax (despite stagnant incomes) and the number of over 65s paying income tax? All while claiming to be the party of low taxation

MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 13:18

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/07/2024 12:59

The Tories are not in the business of helping women who have been sexually assaulted.

From practically decriminalising rape, to opposing legistlation that would protect the women who work for them, to using party funds to pay for private medical treatment of a victim of the Tory multiple rapist, then telling her to get over it, they really couldn't be clearer.Angry

What legislation did the Tories pass that decriminalised rape?