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General election 2024

Middle class biological women prepare to be relegated to being second class citizens by the end of the week

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Mycatsmudge · 01/07/2024 09:38

The Labour Party is expected to win a huge majority in the GE on Thursday. My fears are their stance on trans rights which are being prioritised over those of biological women and this will risk our safety, opportunities and dignity. I also work in the NHS and read what is happening to the nurses in Darlington with horror.

My other concern is they have not been transparent on their plans on how to raise money for their spending pledges other than say they will invest and reap the benefit of green technology. This is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. I can only conclude we will be taxed even more but stealthy.

Then I read this in their manifesto:
‘Expansion of the Equality Act 2010Labour will implement the socioeconomic protected characteristic of the Equality Act, also the socioeconomic duty under Section 1 of the Equality Act and ensure equality impact assessments of government policy are conducted.5 Jun 2024’
To me this means richer areas will get less money from government for public services than poorer areas. I live in an area which is very boringly middle class but our public services are already cut to the bone(bin collections fortnightly, potholes left for months, all adult evening classes gone) but we still pay a hefty amount of council tax.

So under a Labour government I as a biological woman, working in the NHS on the frontline and will be expected to share our women’s changing rooms with any man with a GRC. I will probably be taxed more as a higher rate taxpayer because the tax bands have stayed static for years and I will expect less public services because I live in the suburbs but my council taxes will most likely increase just to sustain what we already have

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MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 14:20

leafybrew · 01/07/2024 14:17

Around 262,000 people (0.5%) said their gender identity and sex registered at birth were different. Not all of those 262,000 people identified explicitly as transgender. Around 48,000 people (0.1%) gave their identity as 'trans man' and another 48,000 (0.1%) gave their identity as 'trans woman'.16 Jan 2023

Quoted from the House of Commons.

I hardly think there's any need for such hyperbole from the OP and other posters about women's spaces being invaded. What is the actual likelihood of there being a trans nurse wanting to get changed in the OP's changing room??Virtually zero. Get. A. Grip

And let's get rid of the lying, cheating, self-serving, utter wankers that have been the Tory party for the last 14 years while we're about it....

And yet we have at least two tribunal cases ongoing about this. It's almost as though perverted men, of whom there are plenty, are using transitioners as human shields to enter women's spaces unquestioned.

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 14:31

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 13:29

They've been in for 14 years. I've no idea why you're making excuses for them.

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Exactly.

The Truss bill wasn't even a government t bill. It was a private member's bill, which rarely become law. But that fact gets conveniently overlooked.

MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 14:33

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 14:31

Exactly.

The Truss bill wasn't even a government t bill. It was a private member's bill, which rarely become law. But that fact gets conveniently overlooked.

I don't see Labour MPs bringing any private member's bills.

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 14:33

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 13:44

Developing nations still allow for dignity and privacy, so yes Labour are dragging us back into pre historic times of no privacy or civility.

Oh my god. Are you serious?

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 14:35

MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 14:33

I don't see Labour MPs bringing any private member's bills.

Because the chances of an opposition private members’ bill getting read is zilch, perhaps? Why didn’t the government produce a bill?

Underthinker · 01/07/2024 14:35

leafybrew · 01/07/2024 14:17

Around 262,000 people (0.5%) said their gender identity and sex registered at birth were different. Not all of those 262,000 people identified explicitly as transgender. Around 48,000 people (0.1%) gave their identity as 'trans man' and another 48,000 (0.1%) gave their identity as 'trans woman'.16 Jan 2023

Quoted from the House of Commons.

I hardly think there's any need for such hyperbole from the OP and other posters about women's spaces being invaded. What is the actual likelihood of there being a trans nurse wanting to get changed in the OP's changing room??Virtually zero. Get. A. Grip

And let's get rid of the lying, cheating, self-serving, utter wankers that have been the Tory party for the last 14 years while we're about it....

The point is when this does happen (2 current ongoing cases just in nursing) , the employer, and society generally, should side with the women not the pervy men.

There are lots of things that you only have a slim chance of being affected by: being wrongly imprisoned due to dodgy post office software, being mauled by an XL bully dog, or being ogled by a male colleague who has been allowed into women's changing places. But politicians should seek to make these things less likely to happen, not more, and they certainly shouldn't support blaming of the victim in these situations.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/07/2024 14:39

MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 14:20

And yet we have at least two tribunal cases ongoing about this. It's almost as though perverted men, of whom there are plenty, are using transitioners as human shields to enter women's spaces unquestioned.

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That's Tory rule for you. Thank fuck they're out come Friday.Grin

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 14:39

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 14:31

Exactly.

The Truss bill wasn't even a government t bill. It was a private member's bill, which rarely become law. But that fact gets conveniently overlooked.

Makes you wonder why she did nothing regarding this issue when she was Women's and Equalities Minister. Apparently the bill was unworkable.

Notonthestairs · 01/07/2024 14:40

"Makes you wonder why she did nothing regarding this issue when she was Women's and Equalities Minister. Apparently the bill was unworkable."

Or as PM.

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 14:43

Notonthestairs · 01/07/2024 14:40

"Makes you wonder why she did nothing regarding this issue when she was Women's and Equalities Minister. Apparently the bill was unworkable."

Or as PM.

Come on, be fair, she was too busy crashing the economy to do anything else during the 49 days she was PM.

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 14:44

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 14:43

Come on, be fair, she was too busy crashing the economy to do anything else during the 49 days she was PM.

Those Tories and their safe hands with the economy.

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 14:45

leafybrew · 01/07/2024 14:17

Around 262,000 people (0.5%) said their gender identity and sex registered at birth were different. Not all of those 262,000 people identified explicitly as transgender. Around 48,000 people (0.1%) gave their identity as 'trans man' and another 48,000 (0.1%) gave their identity as 'trans woman'.16 Jan 2023

Quoted from the House of Commons.

I hardly think there's any need for such hyperbole from the OP and other posters about women's spaces being invaded. What is the actual likelihood of there being a trans nurse wanting to get changed in the OP's changing room??Virtually zero. Get. A. Grip

And let's get rid of the lying, cheating, self-serving, utter wankers that have been the Tory party for the last 14 years while we're about it....

And get what?

Lying, cheating lefties that will erase women and wreck our economy.
Great.
I can't wait.

Pampledample · 01/07/2024 14:47

Let’s this thread running after Friday so we can track in real time how the changes are affecting us.

It’ll be a dull thread with zero traffic. But i think I’d prefer dull to hysterical none sense.

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 14:47

Lying, cheating lefties that will erase women and wreck our economy.

Bit late for that. The lying, cheating Tories have already wrecked the economy.

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 14:47

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VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 14:49

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 13:58

Working class women have the right to dignity, to use the toilets safely, to be treated safely in hospital and to have a prison cell if required that does not house a convicted rapist.
Nothing to do with taxes!

Do you actually think working class women will be better off once they lose their rights, have no legal protection whatsoever by a party of total indifference? That is new Labour for you.

Do you think working class women will see a penny of the taxes that they wish to put on anyone that is in fact working? No, they will be squandered on all of these woke plans that Labour are flouting. Women are nowhere in their priorities, so much so, they do not even really exist in any meaningful sense.

The old Labour are dead, long gone I am afraid. Anyone working class is certainly not a priority for them.

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Which woke policies are you talking about?

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/07/2024 14:50

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Are you having a laugh? Or do you really think Liz Truss should be given a by-ball for raising mortgages and rents by hundreds of pounds per month because she's a woman? What crazy wokeness is this?Confused

swimsong · 01/07/2024 14:51

@Mycatsmudge When I look around our neighbourhood I see the state of our roads, the amount of rubbish piling up as collections are now reduced to fortnightly and how we no longer have the affordable/ inclusive exercise classes run by the council. But our council taxes continue to increase see annually.

So the last 14 years of disastrous austerity policies have been bad for you too, thanks for laying that out so clearly. FYI billions have been cut from central government funding of local councils - for purely ideological reasons. This is the reason why there are fewer bin collections, more potholes, less "affordable/inclusive exercise classes" etc. The Conservative Party as is does not care for everyone's quality of life - it exists only to make family & friends wealthier.

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 14:51

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Just because you imagine something, it doesnt make it real.🙈

MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 14:53

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 14:35

Because the chances of an opposition private members’ bill getting read is zilch, perhaps? Why didn’t the government produce a bill?

Someone else already explained upthread that for a long time very few people recognised trans activism as a threat to women. I remember rolling my eyes at Sheila Jeffreys as recently as early 2018. It's taken a long time for women to start to turn this supertanker around and it's still not by any means fully turned. Remember that we were scared for our jobs until the Forstater appeal, so our abilities to even speak out and campaign were very limited. The Tories caused this by proposing to reform GRA2004, but they have since listened. Labour, bar Duffield, hadn't even considered listening until Cass was published, and even then some of Labour still have their heads firmly in the sand. Starmer equivocates on this and doesn't support Duffield, who has been threatened with rape and murder, anything like enough. By contrast, Sunak has spoken out for Badenoch after David Tennant said he didn't like her existing at that awards ceremony.

The timeframe for Tory action to protect women has to be considered relative to Forstater's successful appeal. That's when we could truly speak out.

Underthinker · 01/07/2024 14:53

Pampledample · 01/07/2024 14:47

Let’s this thread running after Friday so we can track in real time how the changes are affecting us.

It’ll be a dull thread with zero traffic. But i think I’d prefer dull to hysterical none sense.

With the gender stuff, there's a steady drip of people being harmed by the sexist homophobic ideology. So there will be incidents after Friday, but if you don't care about them now, you won't care about them then either. My hope would have been for a progressive government that would have rejected the ideology and slowed the rate of harm right down, but many of us are now resigned to the opposite happening.

pucelleauxblanchesmains · 01/07/2024 14:55

"Maybe they will repeal our right to vote next?" - do you actually think this or have you lost the run of yourself ?

HauntedPollingBooth · 01/07/2024 14:58

@Hummingbird75 considering you don't understand the difference between flouting and flaunting, you probably shouldn't be sneering at people for their hypothetical lack of education. And when you use the word 'woke' as a slur, you automatically prove that you have no arguments of any substance.

Are you voting Reform? Because if you're voting Tory, you're going to have to explain why they have let the genderwoo spread on their watch and done nothing, despite 14 years in power.

pucelleauxblanchesmains · 01/07/2024 14:59

"I am absolutely fed up of people like me who do the right things being told we have it too good" - plenty of people "do the right things", work hard, try to save, and have nothing to show for it except being told they ought to be making some 30p gruel.