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General election 2024

Middle class biological women prepare to be relegated to being second class citizens by the end of the week

519 replies

Mycatsmudge · 01/07/2024 09:38

The Labour Party is expected to win a huge majority in the GE on Thursday. My fears are their stance on trans rights which are being prioritised over those of biological women and this will risk our safety, opportunities and dignity. I also work in the NHS and read what is happening to the nurses in Darlington with horror.

My other concern is they have not been transparent on their plans on how to raise money for their spending pledges other than say they will invest and reap the benefit of green technology. This is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. I can only conclude we will be taxed even more but stealthy.

Then I read this in their manifesto:
‘Expansion of the Equality Act 2010Labour will implement the socioeconomic protected characteristic of the Equality Act, also the socioeconomic duty under Section 1 of the Equality Act and ensure equality impact assessments of government policy are conducted.5 Jun 2024’
To me this means richer areas will get less money from government for public services than poorer areas. I live in an area which is very boringly middle class but our public services are already cut to the bone(bin collections fortnightly, potholes left for months, all adult evening classes gone) but we still pay a hefty amount of council tax.

So under a Labour government I as a biological woman, working in the NHS on the frontline and will be expected to share our women’s changing rooms with any man with a GRC. I will probably be taxed more as a higher rate taxpayer because the tax bands have stayed static for years and I will expect less public services because I live in the suburbs but my council taxes will most likely increase just to sustain what we already have

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HappierTimesAhead · 01/07/2024 13:57

"I am absolutely fed up of people like me who do the right things being told we have it too good and are squeezed for even more taxes usually by stealth: inheritance, council, fuel, pensions, savings" Right, so this is why you don't like Labour? Don't pretend it's about women's rights when apparently working class women don't matter to you

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 13:57

When I look around our neighbourhood I see the state of our roads, the amount of rubbish piling up as collections are now reduced to fortnightly and how we no longer have the affordable/ inclusive exercise classes run by the council.

Was it better 14 years ago? If so, just think for a nanosecond who’s been in power all that time.

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 13:58

HappierTimesAhead · 01/07/2024 13:57

"I am absolutely fed up of people like me who do the right things being told we have it too good and are squeezed for even more taxes usually by stealth: inheritance, council, fuel, pensions, savings" Right, so this is why you don't like Labour? Don't pretend it's about women's rights when apparently working class women don't matter to you

Working class women have the right to dignity, to use the toilets safely, to be treated safely in hospital and to have a prison cell if required that does not house a convicted rapist.
Nothing to do with taxes!

Do you actually think working class women will be better off once they lose their rights, have no legal protection whatsoever by a party of total indifference? That is new Labour for you.

Do you think working class women will see a penny of the taxes that they wish to put on anyone that is in fact working? No, they will be squandered on all of these woke plans that Labour are flouting. Women are nowhere in their priorities, so much so, they do not even really exist in any meaningful sense.

The old Labour are dead, long gone I am afraid. Anyone working class is certainly not a priority for them.

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 14:04

MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 13:52

I'm saying that mixed-sex loos are in contravention of internationally recognised development targets, so are the opposite of the "progress" that the poster I was replying to claimed them to be.

I have no idea how you reached your assertion from the context I was replying in.

Edited

You posted an article on girls deprived of toilets in developing countries - that's where I got it from.

The Equality Act provides single sex spaces such as toilets for women. Labour have said that it needs further clarification. Adding a biological sex provisio will take years due to legal wrangling. Labour have also said they'll make exceptions to the GRA for safe spaces.

As a gender critical feminist, that's enough for me, given the state of the lives of women under the Tories.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/07/2024 14:04

That was the proposal in 2022. It only applies to some new builds and has not yet been delivered.

Which is another problem with the Tory party, they can't be trusted to deliver a pizza nevermind any laws. They're a shambolic mess.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 14:04

Champagnesocialismo · 01/07/2024 13:05

You assume they would be unhappy with Labour policy? Surely if I am campaigning on this issue, and that I am worried about what they will do, then my obligation is to carry on?

Otherwise it might look rather like I’d just exploited the issue for political gain for the election and didn’t really care about what I claimed to…

I think that if you are unhappy with Labour's stance on gender, or even don't care about it either way but really want people to vote Labour, it would be worth your while writing to your Labour MP saying that maybe they should rethink their stance on women's rights which is going down like a cup of cold sick with a lot of people who would otherwise vote for them.

But instead you're choosing to hector women who don't want to vote Labour into changing their minds for the greater good.

Nothing has ever made me more tempted to vote Tory.

MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 14:07

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 14:04

You posted an article on girls deprived of toilets in developing countries - that's where I got it from.

The Equality Act provides single sex spaces such as toilets for women. Labour have said that it needs further clarification. Adding a biological sex provisio will take years due to legal wrangling. Labour have also said they'll make exceptions to the GRA for safe spaces.

As a gender critical feminist, that's enough for me, given the state of the lives of women under the Tories.

The article was to support my assertion about private loos being a globally-recognised development goal!

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/07/2024 14:07

Your desire to vote Tory has been clear as day to anyone reading your posts@MissScarletInTheBallroom. Did you get your postal vote?

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 14:08

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 14:04

You posted an article on girls deprived of toilets in developing countries - that's where I got it from.

The Equality Act provides single sex spaces such as toilets for women. Labour have said that it needs further clarification. Adding a biological sex provisio will take years due to legal wrangling. Labour have also said they'll make exceptions to the GRA for safe spaces.

As a gender critical feminist, that's enough for me, given the state of the lives of women under the Tories.

You are GC feminist?? 😂

And yet you have no problem with being told you could have a penis and will be happy to share your cell, hospital ward, sports team and smear tests with a hairy 6ft man that might or might not be convicted rapiest as he is now claiming to be Shelia? That and worse is coming with Labour.

The hypocrisy and outright lies on here is depressing.

HappierTimesAhead · 01/07/2024 14:08

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 13:58

Working class women have the right to dignity, to use the toilets safely, to be treated safely in hospital and to have a prison cell if required that does not house a convicted rapist.
Nothing to do with taxes!

Do you actually think working class women will be better off once they lose their rights, have no legal protection whatsoever by a party of total indifference? That is new Labour for you.

Do you think working class women will see a penny of the taxes that they wish to put on anyone that is in fact working? No, they will be squandered on all of these woke plans that Labour are flouting. Women are nowhere in their priorities, so much so, they do not even really exist in any meaningful sense.

The old Labour are dead, long gone I am afraid. Anyone working class is certainly not a priority for them.

Edited

You realise I was quoting the OP as she only seems to be worried about middle class women and not working class women? My argument was that she is now showing her true colours and intention behind this thread and her anti-Labour sentiment.
I don't disagree on Labour's record on Women's rights but the OP is being disingenuous and only cares about certain women.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 14:10

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/07/2024 14:07

Your desire to vote Tory has been clear as day to anyone reading your posts@MissScarletInTheBallroom. Did you get your postal vote?

If I wanted to vote Tory I'd be delighted with Labour's shitty attitude towards women, not furious about it.

I had decided to spoil, but no, my postal vote has not arrived so the choice has been taken out of my hands.

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 14:10

HappierTimesAhead · 01/07/2024 14:08

You realise I was quoting the OP as she only seems to be worried about middle class women and not working class women? My argument was that she is now showing her true colours and intention behind this thread and her anti-Labour sentiment.
I don't disagree on Labour's record on Women's rights but the OP is being disingenuous and only cares about certain women.

I am not sure why they put middle class women on there either, it is irrelevant, maybe they were appealing to the champagne socialists on here and trying to get them to sober up for a second and see what they are signing themselves up for?

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 14:10

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 14:10

If I wanted to vote Tory I'd be delighted with Labour's shitty attitude towards women, not furious about it.

I had decided to spoil, but no, my postal vote has not arrived so the choice has been taken out of my hands.

We didn't get our postal votes either.

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 14:11

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 14:08

You are GC feminist?? 😂

And yet you have no problem with being told you could have a penis and will be happy to share your cell, hospital ward, sports team and smear tests with a hairy 6ft man that might or might not be convicted rapiest as he is now claiming to be Shelia? That and worse is coming with Labour.

The hypocrisy and outright lies on here is depressing.

And yet you have no problem with being told you could have a penis

So now Labour are handing out penises?

I see you have now descended to laughing emojis and attacks because you can't back up your points. Enjoy the rest of your day.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/07/2024 14:11

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 14:10

If I wanted to vote Tory I'd be delighted with Labour's shitty attitude towards women, not furious about it.

I had decided to spoil, but no, my postal vote has not arrived so the choice has been taken out of my hands.

See, they can't even be trusted to deliver postal votes on time.

The Tories can't be trusted on anything.🤷‍♀️

MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 14:12

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 14:11

And yet you have no problem with being told you could have a penis

So now Labour are handing out penises?

I see you have now descended to laughing emojis and attacks because you can't back up your points. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Clearly referring to the false promise of transition.

HappierTimesAhead · 01/07/2024 14:13

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 14:10

I am not sure why they put middle class women on there either, it is irrelevant, maybe they were appealing to the champagne socialists on here and trying to get them to sober up for a second and see what they are signing themselves up for?

It's quite clearly not irrelevant to them and their updated post bemoaning being taxed too much indicates that their issue with Labour is a about much more than women's rights.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 14:13

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/07/2024 14:11

See, they can't even be trusted to deliver postal votes on time.

The Tories can't be trusted on anything.🤷‍♀️

No, they can't. And neither can Labour. What a fucking mess.

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 14:14

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 14:11

And yet you have no problem with being told you could have a penis

So now Labour are handing out penises?

I see you have now descended to laughing emojis and attacks because you can't back up your points. Enjoy the rest of your day.

As you well know Starmer is saying you and I could have penises, in fact ANY women can apparently.

I am laughing because anyone that votes Labour is certainly not a GC feminist. Turkeys literally voting for Christmas is more like it.

You are saying enjoy the rest of your day, because YOU can not defend the indefensible. So just vote Labour and throw your daughters and all women under the bus, but at least own it fgs.

MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 14:15

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 14:10

We didn't get our postal votes either.

There will be a phone number on your polling card to call about that.

I've always voted in person to avoid the (now-privatised, Tories fault!) Royal Mail uncertainty.

leafybrew · 01/07/2024 14:17

Around 262,000 people (0.5%) said their gender identity and sex registered at birth were different. Not all of those 262,000 people identified explicitly as transgender. Around 48,000 people (0.1%) gave their identity as 'trans man' and another 48,000 (0.1%) gave their identity as 'trans woman'.16 Jan 2023

Quoted from the House of Commons.

I hardly think there's any need for such hyperbole from the OP and other posters about women's spaces being invaded. What is the actual likelihood of there being a trans nurse wanting to get changed in the OP's changing room??Virtually zero. Get. A. Grip

And let's get rid of the lying, cheating, self-serving, utter wankers that have been the Tory party for the last 14 years while we're about it....

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 14:18

Hummingbird75 · 01/07/2024 14:14

As you well know Starmer is saying you and I could have penises, in fact ANY women can apparently.

I am laughing because anyone that votes Labour is certainly not a GC feminist. Turkeys literally voting for Christmas is more like it.

You are saying enjoy the rest of your day, because YOU can not defend the indefensible. So just vote Labour and throw your daughters and all women under the bus, but at least own it fgs.

To be clear, he isn't saying any woman can have a penis. He is saying that some extra special women have penises, and that the special women with penises are more vulnerable and oppressed than the ordinary women without penises so we must all be kind to them and not object to their penises in women's spaces.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 14:19

MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 14:15

There will be a phone number on your polling card to call about that.

I've always voted in person to avoid the (now-privatised, Tories fault!) Royal Mail uncertainty.

It's too late for me as an overseas voter but next time I will vote by proxy again. I switched to a postal vote because I didn't want to ask my proxy to go to the hassle of going to a different polling station just so I could spoil my ballot.

ANiceBigCupOfTea · 01/07/2024 14:20

The tories are well known for their love of women aren't they...
They've been in power for too long and wrecked the country. Please don't think the Tories give a fiddlers about middle class people. Dear Rishi can't even use a debit card.

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