To not understand why people vote Conservative

[Aquarius1234]

I'm in my late 30s and don't understand my relatives pretty much all voting Conservative.
Aren't they a bunch of upper class twits, plus most are racist, homophobic etc etc
And Conservative in nature.
The ones that obv hardly know anything other than for tax reasons, are tedious.
That's the only thing I knew when I was about 13...
Labour don't male average salary people pay loads of tax right?

I thought that

Generalisation or not ime people that vote conservative aren't open minded with regards to lgbtq and nationally/ race.

I went to a focus group of Con voters in 2019. General consensus of lack of trust but Starmer stood out as more in touch and the change message is powerful
the one man who stuck to his guns about Tory said he just had to choose which policies were more favourable
for him and his family ( perfectly fine -
lots of people do that ) but tellingly when a question suggested any change in tax he said he wouldn’t vote for anyone who wanted to ‘level things up between everyone’ behind that I thought there was the narrative that can be fed of people choosing not to work, scrounging benefits etc etc that does resonate with core voters

It doesn't actually sound like you know any Conservative voters, OP.

Most of the Tory voters I know are Asian. One is gay. All of them are more tolerant of people with different political opinions than those on the left (including yourself) seem to be.

The Conservatives legalised gay marriage despite Labour having had ample opportunity to do so and not taking it.

im not a tory voter, and never have been
however the current tory party is very different to the party John Major headed (for example), and there are many conservatives who genuinely believe in small government, fewer regulations and keynesian economics and aren't racist/homophobic/sexist/etc
I dont like the blanket condemnation of the whole party any more than i like the blanket labelling of the left as "wokerati"

This current Tory govt though?? i cant understand for a second anyone voting them back in after the mess of incompetence and corruption they have presided over

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=Legislation%20to%20allow%20same%2Dsex,place%20on%2029%20March%202014. This is interesting re gay marriage. I don’t think it’s about previous “ample opportunity”. It’s whether the public, the Church, the political parties were also ready.

To respond to the OP, mainly as people of a certain age remember what happens everytime Labour get in, it's great a first, and taxing those with "the broadest shoulders" sounds like a great idea, but the maths doesn't stack up, so they have to tax everyone and borrow more till the economy stalls and they run out of options.

The harsh reality is, everyday we're are paying over £250 million in interest payments alone, and can't afford the public services we want to have.

The reason we’re paying over £250 million a day is because the national debt has more than doubled in the last 14 years. We’re also paying the highest taxes for 70 years. Do you live in some parallel universe where Labour’s been in power since 2010?

On gay marriage:

About 80% of Conservative voters approve, about 90% of Labour. (YouGov)

So there is a difference. But a large majority support in both groups.

On ethnic minorities, most non-white groups strongly favour Labour. The exception is Indians where it's pretty close between Labour and Tories.

I think it’s worth wondering why people are going to vote Labour.

I have just been told by my taxi driver that he will be voting Labour. He used to have a business but it collapsed during COVID. He has another job in a supermarket, and drives his cab on the side for extra money.

His food bills for a family of four were huge. He could not manage this bill. He admitted he could not manage his bills. That was not for want of work. He was working just to survive, and he was very bitter about the Conservatives. If you are a working person then they have not delivered anything but a much harder life. That’s why they are going to lose so badly.

"The Conservatives legalised gay marriage despite Labour having had ample opportunity to do so and not taking it."

More Conservative MPs voted AGAINST gay marriage than for it.

Labour and Lib Dems got that over the line - only brave thing Cameron did was forge ahead with that policy in spite of his party

Maybe so but the fact remains that Labour could have legalised gay marriage and didn't.

The Gender Recognition Act, which is a fucking awful piece of legislation, was brought in partly to allow a trans identifying person to marry their same sex partner. The implications of that are quite horrifying when you think about it. Basically, two people of the same sex could only marry if one of them became legally the opposite sex so they were officially a straight couple. And meanwhile ordinary gay couples had to wait more than another ten years to gain the right to marry.

It also contains an exemption so astonishingly elitist that I still can't believe that act was passed by a Labour government. By which I mean that the one exception to the principle that a person with a gender recognition certificate should be treated for all intents and purposes as though they are the opposite sex is in the case of male aristocrats who stand to inherit a hereditary title in accordance with the rules of male primogeniture. Thanks to this exception, a male aristocrat cannot lose his inheritance either by becoming legally female or by his older sister becoming legally male. Now if you're a Labour politician and you think it's important to include that in the legislation then fine, whatever. But to include that and yet not include any other exemptions whatsoever to protect women, for example, not putting male rapists in women's prisons, it makes it very clear where your priorities lie. Not with women.

Or indeed with gay people, who had to be content with civil partnerships rather than full equal marriage rights.

I agree and neither party seem to be doing much about it.

And Conservative in nature.

Yes. Most people aren’t living life as if they are extras on “the young ones”.

Even 'Triangle' has better furniture than them.