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General election 2024

To not understand why people vote Conservative

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Aquarius1234 · 01/07/2024 09:23

I'm in my late 30s and don't understand my relatives pretty much all voting Conservative.
Aren't they a bunch of upper class twits, plus most are racist, homophobic etc etc
And Conservative in nature.
The ones that obv hardly know anything other than for tax reasons, are tedious.
That's the only thing I knew when I was about 13...
Labour don't male average salary people pay loads of tax right?

OP posts:
Jifmicroliquid · 01/07/2024 12:19

Because people vote based on what aligns with their beliefs and previous experiences of life under particular governments.

Is it so hard to understand that people come at things from different perspectives to your own?

I despair that so many people cannot grasp that we are not all the same and don’t all have the same concerns or experiences.

VolvoFan · 01/07/2024 12:27

BloodyHellKenAgain · 01/07/2024 11:25

Wait, what Teresa May is advising KS?!!! Where did you head that? 😲😲😲😲
Do you have a source. Not that I think you're lying, I just want to read it for myself.

My mistake. An ex-advisor for Brexit for Theresa May is working with the Labour Party. My apologies. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/30/theresa-may-chief-brexit-negotiator-talks-work-with-labour/

Not lying, just in a rush this morning.

IthinkIamAnAlien · 01/07/2024 12:39

Angrymum22 · 01/07/2024 12:16

We live in a democracy, our whole political structure is based on freedom of thought.
Why do you vote/support Labour, you have not experienced a Labour government during your adult life so have no experience of how their policies directly affect you.
Come back in five years with the experience of government under both Labour and Conservatives.
I do hope that they are capable of forming a government that will meet the needs of our very diverse population.
What worries me most is the lack of MPs with ministerial experience. The practicalities of running a country are first and foremost not their political ideology.
We lack true statesmen in any of the major parties. People we can feel confident in who have a proven record of success in business or in sensible policies that will benefit all.
What we need is a strong chancellor and decent home and foreign secretary’s. We don’t need ministers who are only interested in their own popularity. There needs to be some serious changes to put the country back on track and it will mean some really unpopular decisions. Are Labour up to the job? Who knows?

Given that the Conservative Government have destroyed the Civil Service which used to be the backbone of government and the way in which inexperienced ministers were helped to learn the job, I don't think Labour could do worse.

Likewise Liz Truss and Kwartang are responsible for a huge loss of tax payers money and loss of British reputation abroad. How anyone continues to vote for a bunch of self aggrandusing, corrupt people set on handing money to their mates, destroying welfare and infrastructure, standing by while continual cuts in funding force more and more local authorities into bankruptcy.. I can't imagine.

Champagnesocialismo · 01/07/2024 12:40

It’s not just you OP. The only group where the Tories have a majority of votes are now pensioners.

They have given up on young people, working people and most of the country. A few will still vote for them on the basis that they are worried about holding on to their assets.

For everyone else, the Tory Party have given up. Electoral suicide

BarHumbugs · 01/07/2024 12:47

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 01/07/2024 09:41

I've never understood why peope eat prawns, they look like big pink wood-lice to me. (the prawns not the people who eat them!).

Because you just can't get enough meat off a woodlouse...?

Springwatch123 · 01/07/2024 12:48

“What we need is a strong chancellor and decent home and foreign secretary’s. ”

I agree. I want people who are ‘qualified’ (ie experienced) for the job, so it doesn’t bother me if they went to Eton or Oxford, so long as they’re capable.

I wonder if any politician would be brave enough to use a politician from the opposite party, if that person was more suitable for that post.

Springwatch123 · 01/07/2024 12:50

VolvoFan · 01/07/2024 12:27

My mistake. An ex-advisor for Brexit for Theresa May is working with the Labour Party. My apologies. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/30/theresa-may-chief-brexit-negotiator-talks-work-with-labour/

Not lying, just in a rush this morning.

Reminds me of ‘’Yes, Minister’ and ‘ Yes, Prime minister’ (excellent series, and still relevant), where, although the frontman may change, the minions who are actually in control behind the scenes don’t.

BarHumbugs · 01/07/2024 12:53

VolvoFan · 01/07/2024 11:15

I'm a lifelong Tory voter, but within the last decade the Conservative party has gone so far to the left that they are essentially in unison with Labour. Theresa May is currently advising Keir Starmer, so they're definitely a uniparty. I'm 99.99% certain I'll be voting Reform in this GE.

Keir Starmer has hired one of Theresa May's former advisors, that's not the same thing as her advising him.

VolvoFan · 01/07/2024 12:57

Springwatch123 · 01/07/2024 12:50

Reminds me of ‘’Yes, Minister’ and ‘ Yes, Prime minister’ (excellent series, and still relevant), where, although the frontman may change, the minions who are actually in control behind the scenes don’t.

100% correct. It's the same thing in the USA right now. I call it the O'Biden administration because the same people are working with/for Biden as they did with Obama. Biden was Obama's VP.

BarHumbugs · 01/07/2024 13:01

VolvoFan · 01/07/2024 11:15

I'm a lifelong Tory voter, but within the last decade the Conservative party has gone so far to the left that they are essentially in unison with Labour. Theresa May is currently advising Keir Starmer, so they're definitely a uniparty. I'm 99.99% certain I'll be voting Reform in this GE.

Reform also hire former Tories. Several of their candidates were Tories until they were kicked out for offensive tweets. Why doesn't that make the Tories and Reform a uniparty?

TheDarkMonarch · 01/07/2024 13:08

Assuming this is not just a chance to bash the other side, I think you have to understand what (traditionally) makes Conservatives, conservative.

Socially conservative: Typically this means people who believe the more traditonal approach to societal matters is best. Often short-named as 'family values; they tend to be more supportive of traditional gender roles, of modest sexual behaviour, religion and patriotism. That's one of the reasons the right is typically seen as the fiend of the military - because patriotism and military strength tend be seen hand in hand.

Fiscally conservative: This means a small state. It tends to be mean low taxes and lower levels of support for vulnerable people - prefering something a bit more along the lines of everyone taking care of themselves. It gives people greater controls over their own money and greater choice over how they spend it but leaves them a bit more at the mercy of the fates if they get ill etc. Belief in the market means private business is encouraged to run more services under the belief that when customers can vote with their wallet, better services result. Things like the NHS and the State person are quite unconservative, at heart.

I've probaably depicted above, a more extreme version of conservatism above than we've seen in a while in some matters. e.g. recent Tory governments have tended to be been high tax, not low tax. They have tended to cut military funding rather than increase it.

This current lot of Conservatives may have chucked much of that on the head - but when you view it like this, it's easier to understand why people might prefer a right-leaning government.

(And for the record, I've been about as disgusted with this government as it's possible to be and my own political compass point tends to be a bit more left/liberal than the centre).

VolvoFan · 01/07/2024 13:09

BarHumbugs · 01/07/2024 13:01

Reform also hire former Tories. Several of their candidates were Tories until they were kicked out for offensive tweets. Why doesn't that make the Tories and Reform a uniparty?

Because they got kicked out of the party. The Conservatives went to the far left, and those other MPs stood still. They're not a uniparty. When there are defections from Conservatives to Labour and vice versa, and when David Blunkett is told by Rory Stuart that Blunkett is too right wing, it shows how far to the left the Tories have drifted. Priti, Suella and Liz have more in common with Reform than they do with their fellow Tories. It's so weird, mainland Europe is going towards the right, meanwhile the UK, having just a containment right wing party, not an actual right wing party, is drifting further and further towards the left. The Tories are not going to lose as a result of losing votes to Labour, they'll lose because nobody can be bothered to vote, ie apathy.

FyodorDForever · 01/07/2024 13:18

Not wanting to pay more than half you earn in taxes.
More individual responsability and less reliance on the state.
Belief that repression is at least as important as prevention (crime).
Problematic views from the other main party (Labour) in regards to single sex spaces.
Would rather move to a partly privatised healthcare system than continue throwing more at the NHS.

DinnaeFashYersel · 01/07/2024 13:22

People have different views, opinions, values and this leads them to make different decisions about politics.

The conservatives win when working class and middle class voters support them in sufficient numbers. Which has been the case since 2010.

Labour when the opposite is true. Which is what is likely to happen in this election.

Most people vote on self interest
There are racist supporting every party.

Livelovebehappy · 01/07/2024 13:22

Aquarius1234 · 01/07/2024 09:23

I'm in my late 30s and don't understand my relatives pretty much all voting Conservative.
Aren't they a bunch of upper class twits, plus most are racist, homophobic etc etc
And Conservative in nature.
The ones that obv hardly know anything other than for tax reasons, are tedious.
That's the only thing I knew when I was about 13...
Labour don't male average salary people pay loads of tax right?

Yawn....this question has been done to death. Just search for the hundreds of other threads on this, and you will get all your question answered. Surely it's not beyond you to do that instead of asking people to repeat themselves? Why are left leaning voters so.....hard of thinking.

HowIrresponsible · 01/07/2024 13:27

I've never understood how people live in a cartoon world of black and white , heroes and villans with no nuance or shades of grey.

Tories = devil
Labour = Angel

I despair of people like the OP who are so profoundly daft and don't understand life isn't black and white and that people are allowed to vote for whoever the fuck they like.

Livelovebehappy · 01/07/2024 13:27

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 11:07

I think the amount of tax ordinary working people have to pay under Labour will be a nasty shock for you, OP.

I dont think it will. All these lovely labour supporters have said they want to help everyone else in this country - no matter what morals or values they possess, at the expense of their own family. I think most voters, If they're honest, want the best for their own family. Which is how it should be.

HowIrresponsible · 01/07/2024 13:31

Livelovebehappy · 01/07/2024 13:27

I dont think it will. All these lovely labour supporters have said they want to help everyone else in this country - no matter what morals or values they possess, at the expense of their own family. I think most voters, If they're honest, want the best for their own family. Which is how it should be.

Quite. Let's see how much you all love the disabled and poor people when your taxes go through the roof to pay for them. Who else do you think will?

I don't believe any labour supporter truly cares and would prioritise their own comfort and family and financial stability.

BarHumbugs · 01/07/2024 13:35

VolvoFan · 01/07/2024 13:09

Because they got kicked out of the party. The Conservatives went to the far left, and those other MPs stood still. They're not a uniparty. When there are defections from Conservatives to Labour and vice versa, and when David Blunkett is told by Rory Stuart that Blunkett is too right wing, it shows how far to the left the Tories have drifted. Priti, Suella and Liz have more in common with Reform than they do with their fellow Tories. It's so weird, mainland Europe is going towards the right, meanwhile the UK, having just a containment right wing party, not an actual right wing party, is drifting further and further towards the left. The Tories are not going to lose as a result of losing votes to Labour, they'll lose because nobody can be bothered to vote, ie apathy.

So left wing Tories like Rory Stewart are leaving or have already left the party and several Tory MPs are closer aligned politically with Reform than their own party and you think that's an argument for the Tories becoming more left wing....?

The Tories are going to lose for many reasons which include losing votes to Labour and voter apathy but also because they have done a terrible job and with the help of Farage's last great idea to reduce immigration(Brexit) fucked the country. (And increased immigration).

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 13:48

Aquarius1234 · 01/07/2024 09:54

One person made out the NHS was good under Conservative about always being able to get an appointment.
I wasn't sure if that was sarcasm..

You just jumped the shark.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 13:50

Livelovebehappy · 01/07/2024 13:27

I dont think it will. All these lovely labour supporters have said they want to help everyone else in this country - no matter what morals or values they possess, at the expense of their own family. I think most voters, If they're honest, want the best for their own family. Which is how it should be.

There is no money to pay for all these things Labour are promising without raising taxes. They can't raise taxes on people with medium high incomes because those people are already being taxed until the pips squeak. The only people they can raise taxes for are those on average incomes.

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 13:51

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 13:50

There is no money to pay for all these things Labour are promising without raising taxes. They can't raise taxes on people with medium high incomes because those people are already being taxed until the pips squeak. The only people they can raise taxes for are those on average incomes.

Nonsense. Reeves has been explicit about increasing the supply of money through economic growth. Big business and most economists agree with her.

FKAT · 01/07/2024 13:55

Aren't they a bunch of upper class twits, plus most are racist, homophobic etc etc

Kemi Badenoch called. She said you might be a little out of date in your stereotypes.

saveforthat · 01/07/2024 13:56

FeelingHotHotHotFeelingHotHotHot · 01/07/2024 09:45

Pink wood-lice! 😬😆 Glad I have never eaten one now! How can anyone eat anything that still has its eyes?!! 👀 Shock

I love prawns and fresh fish often still have their eyes when served. You don't eat them and you don't eat a prawns eyes either.

EasternStandard · 01/07/2024 13:59

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 13:50

There is no money to pay for all these things Labour are promising without raising taxes. They can't raise taxes on people with medium high incomes because those people are already being taxed until the pips squeak. The only people they can raise taxes for are those on average incomes.

The IFS agrees with you