Why aren't Reform voters ashamed?

[TheShellBeach]

They don't seem to care that everyone will know they're racists.

It seems incredible to me that people are open about voting for them.

Because it gets their backs up. You insult people and they will counter react. That is such simple logic you shouldn't even need to question it. Remember Geldof sticking his fingers up at UK fishermen? He did the Berxit cause a massive favour in one fell swoop

But I always hear the argument that people are only voting for these right wing parties because they’re disillusioned by the current two main political parties, so when left-wing people label voters of the far-right party as thick or racist, it just makes them more determined vote for that party, even if they’re not racist themselves.

I’m politically adrift, and fed up with the current parties. Just because people say that Reform supporters are stupid and racist, it doesn’t make me want to immediately run to vote for them. I’d never in a million years vote for them, because of their racism and misogyny. I wouldn’t say “I’m not racist and misogynistic, but I’m going to vote Reform just because people say they ARE racist and misogynistic!”

It makes zero sense.

So are you saying that anyone who votes counter to who you vote for or holds views that don't align exactly with yours is ignorant?

Isn't that the point of a protest vote? It isnt that people blindly follow the party they vote for. It's

1. Being disillusioned to vote for the mainstream parties and
2. To punish the mainstream parties
3. Force the mainstream parties to listen to SOME of the policies of these fringe parties?

I don't think clamping down on illegal immigrants is racist. How is that racial? I know there are some racist nutters who would vote because of their racism but that's like saying because some die hard communists vote for labour that all labour voters and communists and want the gulags back

So are you saying that anyone who votes counter to who you vote for or holds views that don't align exactly with yours is ignorant?

@Justcallmebebes in this case it's a pretty valid point 🤷🏻‍♀️

No, what I am saying is we live in a democracy and have the freedom to vote for who we want to vote for and should be free to exercise that freedom without being labelled as racist or misogynistic by others who don't agree with our view

Why do you object to women in burqhas? How does that affect you in any way at all? We live in a free society and surely women can dress any way they choose? What evidence do you have that Muslims "are trying to take over"?

You spelled your username wrong.

It's a hard right party without any real infrastructure or party management that has grown to 15-20% polling in months. Of course it will have racists. You don't have to be racist to want controls on immigration; but all racists do want these controls - so they flock to Reform, because its anti-immigration stance is its reason for being.

Farage's mask has slipped in this campaign. He's a pro-Putin apologist for Russian aggression against democratic states. The manifesto was fantasy Trussonomics on steroids. I get there are lots of low information voters out there though, seemingly simple solutions offered to complex problems for consumption by those with simple minds...

You can't say something factual without being called a transphobe either. What a time to be alive, eh?

But you said “The more you pile on and insult those who hold against the mainstream, Liberal way of thought, the more they are likely to vote against it.”

So is a vote for Reform a protest vote? Why not vote for an independent candidate or the Monster Raving Loony Party? Why nail your colours to a racist misogynist’s mast? Surely you understand that of course people will think you hold the same views if you vote for him? Someone could literally write a book proving Farage’s vile views and tweets over the years. It makes zero difference that they’re not all in the manifesto*. He’s told us who he is.

*though some are, like their plan to remove women’s/gay’s/ethnic minority’s rights. In black and white.

@mybeesarealive

"I get there are lots of low information voters out there though, seemingly simple solutions offered to complex problems for consumption by those with simple minds..."

And the insults just keep coming in...

@TheShellBeach

"They don't seem to care that everyone will know they're racists. "

And the accusations of being racist by voting Reform continues...

Ahh democracy 😂

Oh dear...
I'm in bed petrified I'll wake up tomorrow and Muslims have taken my house, my church, my car, my job. Do you think i can request they take my children too? Im a little tired of their tantrums today?.... 🙅

The problem here is that you've taken a stance that you are better than a Reform voter, and you're passive aggressively implying that it's objective fact that they're all racists.

It would be just as easy for anyone else to start a thread saying "aren't labour voters ashamed? Everyone will know they're anti semites."

It's meaningless - it's one person's opinion. Everyone is entitled to make the decision to vote for who they wish. The people who go around sanctimoniously judging others don't come across well, and seem pretty ignorant.

Not an insult, an observable fact. If you think Reform is offering implementable policy solutions then you need to get off your crack pipe. And Farage saying that NATO provoked Putin is to trumpet Kremlin talking points. It's ironic really. Farage says he believes in national sovereignty, yet cannot see that NATO members and applicants in Eastern Europe hold that status because they choose to apply for membership. NATO isn't a thing that is imposed on countries. It's the reason we enjoy peace and security in this country. Farage is basically a reverse Corbyn who would damage the country irrevocably and prejudice its security if he got anywhere near the levers of power.

Apparently the only moral party is the Labour party.

If you read Mumsnet the Tories have a "long and proven track record of being evil" and voting reform makes you a racist simpleton.

Supposedly 40% of voters support "evil incompetent" and "racist simpleton" parties. This is the view of those who will be voting Labour and believe they have a monopoly on morality and claim that other parties are intolerant without realising the hypocrisy of that.

A protest vote in the sense- like him or loathe him, Farage is one of the most powerful influential men in politics to have not been prime minister. He shudders fear into the mainstream parties. They will take a few of his policies in the next few years, to stem the reform growth. The greens, looney arse party and the likes... dont have the same impact.

@FishPhoods

"t's meaningless - it's one person's opinion. Everyone is entitled to make the decision to vote for who they wish. The people who go around sanctimoniously judging others don't come across well, and seem pretty ignorant."

And insulting people is generally not a good method for changing their opinions.

I mean, Foghorn Leehorn Anderson? He's hardly one of Britain's great political thinkers is he?

Britain has been a multicultural society for hundreds of years.

From a huge influx of people from across the empire and from Ireland and Germany in the 1880s to Belgians and Polish immigrants during the war to the Caribbean NHS nurses Enoch Powell recruited in the 1960s and Asians fleeing Idi Amin's Uganda in 1970.

I'm about your age Bunty. Immigrants have been coming, living and working in our country all our lives.

When exactly do you want to turn the clock back to? When was 'how things were?'

But if there was a party that was led by a dyed-in-the-wool paedophile, and every couple of days one of their supporters/candidates was kicked out for paedophilia, would you not assume that their voters if not paedophiles themselves, at the very least didn’t have a problem with paedophilia?