Labour hate people like me

[Meadowtrees]

I feel sick at the thought of how much our lives are going to change.

This is not a thread to bash or criticise people nervous about Labour. It’s a place for those of us who are feeling very anxious to have a bit of space - it’s not something we are ‘allowed’ to say in public without being called ‘scum’ ‘selfish tories’ or similar. I’m not particularly linked to any party and not sure how to vote, I may spoil my ballot.

Labour have made it very clear that they intend to make us poorer and our lives harder.
I’m a woman - Labour intend to remove women’s rights
I’m rural - Labour aren’t interested in rural areas
I work in a private school - enough said
I have teens - I expect Labour to put vat on uni fees
We both work full time and have slogged our guts out to now be in a position where we have a comfortable (but not high) income - I expect to be taxed more heavily.
We have elderly parents - I expect the cost of care and inheritance tax to increase.

Maybe it’s selfish but we’re screwed and I don’t expect that what we lose will be put to efficient or good use. It feels like we will be punished for having worked hard and being ambitious.

@twistyizzy I agree, at the last election an ex colleague who is very much a labour supporter hounded me because I said I wouldn't be voting labour. I had to block him on everything as he wouldn't stop contacting me despite me repeatedly saying please stop. I was told I was pretty much the lowest of the low for not agreeing with him and his views it was horrible. I'm very much a floating voter but I am absolutely lost as to who to vote for this time, I have a lack of trust in them all for one reason or another.

You haven't answered the question. Where in the manifesto does it say that Labour intend to get rid off women's rights?

You've provided someone else's interpretation of the manifesto. I've read the manifesto and it doesn't say they're going to get rid off women's rights.

It's hyperbolic nonsense.

Sir Keir might be doing his best to charm disillusioned liberal Tories, but every time I see Angela Rayner I hear her spitting, 'Tory scum' across the floor of the Commons - she might have been dragged to a non-pology, but she means it.

In many cases, as has recently been proven yet again, I’d say Ms. Rayner is spot on with her assessment.

If she's talking about Johnson, Gove, Truss or Rees-Mogg (blaming people in Grenfell for their own deaths), I don't have a problem with that.

She certainly does mean it. She is extremely vindictive against anyone who doesn't agree with her and represents the language of the hard left. They mean anyone who doesn't agree with them = Tory, same attitude as many Labour supporters on this forum.

The hysteria on MN about Labour getting in is bizarre. Living standards have declined massively in the 15 years the Tories have been in power. The NHS is on its knees, adult social care is on its knees, schools are chronically under-funded. Why are you not upset about that?

Who said people aren't cross about that?! The issue I have is being called a Tory and personally attacked when I criticise a Labour policy. Asking Q doesn't make me a Tory supporter.

You're right. No one should insult you because you've asked a question.

I am utterly sick of people who can afford to privately educate their kids who bleat that it's only because they work so hard that they can afford to do so. I work fucking hard, I do a 60 hour week though paid for 37. My hard work keeps your children safe from harm. The whole of my yearly salary wouldn't cover a year of fees at a top private school, half it might stretch to a year at a low end one. Ends don't even meet for me any more - I can't run my household despite earning the national average.
The system I work within is broken, which is why I have to do so many additional hours, in my own time and to the detriment of time for my own children. It was the progression of pocket lining, snouts-in-the-trough Conservative governments that broke the system so I sincerely hope we do see the back of the back of the bastards. I am voting tactically to help this happen. So fuck off with your doom mongering and hand wringing. It's time for a change and if Labour is that change, then bring it on.

@HarrietSchulenberg amen to that!! 🙌

@HarrietSchulenberg (great user name btw!)

Or criticising a policy. Unless we no longer live in a democracy?

Of course not. Emotions run high around an election. I'm sorry to hear people are talking down to you for asking questions.

I wouldn't mind being talked down to. It is the being sworn at and aggressive personal attacks that are unacceptable

We should all be aware that women in politics receive the vilest hate and abuse, threats of rape and violence - far, far worse than anything men receive. Angela Rayner has been absolutely hounded as has Diane Abbott and Thangnam Debonaire in Bristol is at the receiving end of vile abuse coordinated by the Green Party. I'm afraid I don't know of specific examples of Tory women who have received similar abuse - but no doubt they have. I abhor all of it. Misogyny is alive and violently thriving in social media. It is dangerous for women to be in public life. So let's not fuel any of it here.

It's especially bad to receive it on a site aimed for women!! Like I said, I have only received it from specific Labour supporters.

None of it's acceptable. There's a lot to process during an election and we should be encouraging people to ask as many questions as they want.

As if the ENTIRE COUNTRY isn't poorer after 14 years of Tory rule!

You'd have to be a 1%er or a Hedge Fund Manager not to be!

Take a look around, hun - the NHS is crumbling, people can't get a dentist, teachers are having to pay for basic supplies out of their own pockets and are leaving the profession in droves, prisons are full, the courts are backed up for years, kids are starving........ literally EVERYTHING has gone up over the last decade, including school fees!

I'm a woman living in a very middle class, rural area with a child in grammar and many friends in private, home owner with a pre-teen and I absolutely cannot find it in myself to say POOR YOU!

As they say - the main difference between a Tory voter and a Labour voter is that one thinks about themselves and the other thinks about EVERYONE.

VOTE LABOUR!

Just to be pedantic she didn't 'spit' it across the House of Commons, it was to a Group of Activists during the Labour Party Conference.

She also didn't actually say 'Tory Scum' she said
“We cannot get any worse than a bunch of scum, homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute vile … banana republic, vile, nasty, Etonian … piece of scum,” she said at the event, before adding that she had “held back a little

So I think you must have misremembered!

And her using that language (however accurate it may or may not be) is what gives her supporters the agency to speak to others like that. Politics has descended to the absolute depths now and you simply can't take the moral highground by using language such as "scum". Think whatever you like in your head but once politicians start using words like scum then it is a race downwards.

This with nobs on. Thanks saved me the effort as reading people's defense of corruption is exhausting.

I’m sick of scum in the rivers and sea. I’m not voting more Tory.

But it was ok for Johnson to refer to Muslim women looking like letter boxes.

Jonson was also talking about “bum boys”.