Labour hate people like me

[Meadowtrees]

I feel sick at the thought of how much our lives are going to change.

This is not a thread to bash or criticise people nervous about Labour. It’s a place for those of us who are feeling very anxious to have a bit of space - it’s not something we are ‘allowed’ to say in public without being called ‘scum’ ‘selfish tories’ or similar. I’m not particularly linked to any party and not sure how to vote, I may spoil my ballot.

Labour have made it very clear that they intend to make us poorer and our lives harder.
I’m a woman - Labour intend to remove women’s rights
I’m rural - Labour aren’t interested in rural areas
I work in a private school - enough said
I have teens - I expect Labour to put vat on uni fees
We both work full time and have slogged our guts out to now be in a position where we have a comfortable (but not high) income - I expect to be taxed more heavily.
We have elderly parents - I expect the cost of care and inheritance tax to increase.

Maybe it’s selfish but we’re screwed and I don’t expect that what we lose will be put to efficient or good use. It feels like we will be punished for having worked hard and being ambitious.

@cupcaske123 no I am saying I don't care about care homes from a political point of view as it has no impact on us, as we will make that decision before that point. I'm more interest in assisted dying so we can make that decision in advance and enjoy our lives until that point comes when it will be ended for us.

Harsh to some but it is how we live you have got to be seriously unwell to get sympathy in this house, we have a very much pull yourself together and get on with it attitude. That will impact how we vote as it's how we live and is how we have got to where we are.

I’m a woman - Labour intend to remove women’s rights

It's the Conservatives who have done most to remove women's rights both directly and indirectly. OP, which sex do you imagine is most affected by our soaring child poverty rates, the massive decline in maternity, obstetric and gynaecological care, the massive decline in the social care system, all the failures in SEND support, to say nothing of the cost of living rise and soaring inflation that they brought us?

I’m rural - Labour aren’t interested in rural areas

Where do you get that from? They're very interested, particularly in reviving the farming and other rural industries.

I work in a private school - enough said

They don't want to abolish private schools, they just want to remove one tax exemption. No properly run private school is going to close, so if your job is at risk it will be down to your employers and the falling birth rate, not Labour. You would certainly find similar employment elsewhere without difficulty.

I have teens - I expect Labour to put vat on uni fees

Highly unlikely. They need the student vote.

We both work full time and have slogged our guts out to now be in a position where we have a comfortable (but not high) income - I expect to be taxed more heavily.

Have you noticed what happened to tax over the last 14 years? You are currently being taxed at the highest rates since 1945. Why do you want more of the same? You do know that, using the Conservatives' own calculation methods, you will be paying £3K+ per year more tax over the next four years if they stay in power?

We have elderly parents - I expect the cost of care and inheritance tax to increase.

Again, have you discovered what happened to care costs over the last 14 years? What evidence do you have that the Conservatives care one jot about them?

She said I don't care about care homes what does that mean? To me it comes across as saying that care homes don't matter (I don't care about care homes) there's assisted dying (old people can die).

Cancelling opposition unfortunately appears to be very popular amongst Labour supporters.

Looking at your list

I’m a woman - Labour intend to remove women’s rights

The conservatives are going to remove everyone's human rights if they pull the UK out of the ECHR.

I’m rural - Labour aren’t interested in rural areas

Neither are the conservatives - they are looking at a complete wipe out in rural areas - farmers struggling from high fuel costs, red tape around Brexit, never mind the state of the roads & decline in public transport over the last 14 years.
I work in a private school - enough said
Enough said yes

I have teens - I expect Labour to put vat on uni fees
But at least under the conservatives your Teens can do their National Service.

Honestly the parties can't use their Manifestos to list everything they aren't going to do.

We're paying the highest amounts of tax we have paid in my life time - we need a change!

Silicone?

There won't be any planes out of the country, way too bourgeoisie.

I am hoping care costs improve

Labour aren't going to increase benefits for disabled people, are they? It's all about "helping them into work", which IME is code for benefits cuts, more-frequent PIP assessments, and veiled threats at the Iob Centre.

Just to correct you:

• Labour are looking at re-classifying some green belt in order to build on
• they have told private schools to make cuts. 75% of expenditure is on staff wages. Most private schools aren't sitting on a big surplus and many parents simply can't afford an extra 20% per year.

What do you count as wealthy households though?

Household income more than £40k per person.

Eg £160k for family of 4.

Equity in home or other assets over £300k.

I would rather not play lady bountiful with my regular food bank donation. I wish they didn't exist. I would rather be slightly worse off and have a more level playing field for everyone. I'll be glad when I can get a GP appointment and my state-educated kids' teachers can stop having to do impossible gymnastics with their budgets.

Same here and will be glad to see the Tories lose this one they are a mess. However I have zero faith labour is going to do anything that will significantly change these things sadly.

Plus there’s no money and massively increasing taxes is the only way round that. Anything not ruled out in terms of taxes is a therefore a serious possibility in the next 5-10 years.

Where is Labour’s positive vision for the future? What will it look like? All I hear from them is change is needed, VAT will go on school fees, and Starmer deliberately ignoring questions about how he sees a future with women’s rights still in it when he says men can be women.

Labour have made it very clear that they intend to make us poorer and our lives harder.

I haven't picked this up but would to see the hard facts that back this up prior to finalising my voting decision. Can you link to where they have said what that makes this the case please

The Conservative party have already buggered the foreseeable future for your children with Brexshit.

I have dropped out of politics but I knew about the FOI, saw him say it in an interview

however, I didn’t know he said that explicitly about free movement. Interesting. Don’t suppose you have a link? I have googled but it’s all second hand info.

It is possible not to want to vote conservative but also not to like a lot of what labour are offering.

Like you OP I wish there was a better option somewhere in the middle.

I am concerned too we have built up a decent business and a comfy lifestyle. I don't think the tories have done that well for us but I also don't trust labour not to cripple us with taxes. I also hate the way tories are called scum I haven't seen any other party behave that way except Labour

How patronising. The OP has clearly read the manifesto.

@Meadowtrees Where are getting your information?

I think it is pretty clear that Labour will win. What is important is that there are winners in other parties to have a balanced house of commons who can contest any unfair or unreasonable policies that Labour may want to push through.

The only time I have been sworn at on this forum is by Labour supporters because I criticise 1 of their policies. The insults are personal and aggressive.
There is a sinister undercurrent that if you don't support their policies 100% then you must be a Tory and therefore are fair game to be attacked.
It is extremely worrying for what will happen after the election.
FYI i am not, and never have, voted Tory!

Really? Where in the manifesto does it say:
Labour intend to remove women's rights?

There are two parts to this statement.

1. There are plenty of things that parents could have done to minimise inheritance tax.
2. In doing 1. they essentially create a set of circumstances where other people then have to pay for parents care as they have deprived the state of their own funds by passing it to children / grandchildren.

It is a catch 22 as the whole Conservative ethos was the amassing of personal wealth, only to have it removed to pay for care in old age.

** I am not judging either of the above approaches.

cupcaske123

She said I don't care about care homes what does that mean? To me it comes across as saying that care homes don't matter (I don't care about care homes) there's assisted dying (old people can die).“

Fair enough. To me it comes across that it’s not an issue of personal interest to her because she would pursue assisted dying. I don’t think she meant “old people” in general “can die” at all.

Where have labour said in their manifesto they're going to tax uni?

"The Labour manifesto has been published. Women across the country will be deeply disappointed that the party, which in its manifesto professes pride for the landmark 2010 Equality Act, has failed to recognise that in 2024 this legislation is no longer providing the protection to women it was intended to. There is a weak pledge to “continue to support the implementation of its single-sex exceptions”. But the reality for women and girls is that because of the confusion faced by businesses, charities, local authorities and other public bodies about what the protected characteristic of sex means, service providers are either afraid to communicate and enforce clear single-sex policies, or are actively removing them."