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General election 2024

Labour hate people like me

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Meadowtrees · 30/06/2024 09:05

I feel sick at the thought of how much our lives are going to change.

This is not a thread to bash or criticise people nervous about Labour. It’s a place for those of us who are feeling very anxious to have a bit of space - it’s not something we are ‘allowed’ to say in public without being called ‘scum’ ‘selfish tories’ or similar. I’m not particularly linked to any party and not sure how to vote, I may spoil my ballot.

Labour have made it very clear that they intend to make us poorer and our lives harder.
I’m a woman - Labour intend to remove women’s rights
I’m rural - Labour aren’t interested in rural areas
I work in a private school - enough said
I have teens - I expect Labour to put vat on uni fees
We both work full time and have slogged our guts out to now be in a position where we have a comfortable (but not high) income - I expect to be taxed more heavily.
We have elderly parents - I expect the cost of care and inheritance tax to increase.

Maybe it’s selfish but we’re screwed and I don’t expect that what we lose will be put to efficient or good use. It feels like we will be punished for having worked hard and being ambitious.

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cupcaske123 · 30/06/2024 11:45

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/06/2024 11:43

cupcaske123

You're calling me offensive? Saying you don't care about care homes and believe old people should kill themselves

I didn’t say that at all. That was another poster.

I’m expressing the opinion of many, that assisted dying is a very valid option. To suggest that anyone who wishes it for themself or loved ones in pain and distress is akin to Himler is what is offensive.

You're cherry picking an argument. I was responding to a poster saying that they don't care about care homes and want the elderly to kill themselves.

twistyizzy · 30/06/2024 11:46

FyodorDForever · 30/06/2024 11:45

Maybe it is about time to take your share of the burden
The difficulty comes because people are asked to ‘take their share of the burden’ when they are already the ones taking most of the share.

In other words: people who already receive money from the state are asking the ones who don’t to pay even more.

Similarly for schools: state school needs money, let’s ask the people who contribute despite not using their place to contribute even more.

Yes!

Kendodd · 30/06/2024 11:49

Cattysm · 30/06/2024 11:39

Please can we move away from this rhetoric that people on higher incomes work harder, therefore are somehow more deserving? It’s disgusting and completely untrue. Labour don’t ’hate people that work hard’. What do you think care assistants on minimum wage do, sit on their arses all day?

Completely agree!
I know plenty of rich people and plenty of poor people. I know who works harder, and it's not the rich.

Bouledeneige · 30/06/2024 11:52

But you haven't said how you will be worse off with Labour. You've expressed your fears about Labour but not how it would be better with the Tories. Have you seen the state of public services under the Conservatives - the NHS, social care, housing and local authorities going bankrupt? Have you seen the rises in immigration, inflation and interest rates? What about Liz Truss crashing the economy? What about the Brexit lies, partygate, the corruption on PPE?

How on earth could we be worse off? Are you prepared to risk giving the Conservatives more chances to destroy the country?

sleepyscientist · 30/06/2024 11:52

@cupcaske123 it's not offensive to say me and DH have no interest in being in care. We have sufficient savings to fund a cleaner etc in old age however if we can't have a meaningful life anymore we have no interest in being here. It is likely we will have to make that choice earlier than necessary because we have no assisted dying in this country.

I would love to write an advanced directive now that if we get to the point we won't make a meaningful recovery from serious illness just to let us go/make it happen. Therefore why would I vote for something that doesn't affect us?

twistyizzy · 30/06/2024 11:55

Kendodd · 30/06/2024 11:49

Completely agree!
I know plenty of rich people and plenty of poor people. I know who works harder, and it's not the rich.

Of course care assistants aren't sitting on their arse but are they also missing family holidays, working 14 hour days, having panic attacks etc to earn just over 50K?
It is a completely different type of working hard, both are working hard but in different ways. The problem is that politicians have used and abused that phrase now so it is meaningless because everyone believes thar they personally work hard.

cupcaske123 · 30/06/2024 11:57

sleepyscientist · 30/06/2024 11:52

@cupcaske123 it's not offensive to say me and DH have no interest in being in care. We have sufficient savings to fund a cleaner etc in old age however if we can't have a meaningful life anymore we have no interest in being here. It is likely we will have to make that choice earlier than necessary because we have no assisted dying in this country.

I would love to write an advanced directive now that if we get to the point we won't make a meaningful recovery from serious illness just to let us go/make it happen. Therefore why would I vote for something that doesn't affect us?

That's not what you said, is it. You said you don't care about care homes and people can die. You're back tracking to sound less chilling.

NeedthatFridayfeeling · 30/06/2024 12:00

We're in the same position OP Sad

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/06/2024 12:01

cupcaske123
You're cherry picking an argument. I was responding to a poster saying that they don't care about care homes and want the elderly to kill themselves.

No I’m not. Your comment to that poster suggested to me that you thought anyone who agrees with assisted dying is akin to Himler.

JhsLs · 30/06/2024 12:01

Meadowtrees · 30/06/2024 09:20

Spinet - no, I can’t. I don’t want my life to get worse - who does? My concern is my kids and their future.

Absolutely shocking that if your concern is for your own kids, who go to state schools, that you are happy with the tories remaining in government. What about the cuts they’ve made to funding over the years? You say you work in a private school, but I don’t know if you’re a teacher - but what about the 12% real terms pay cut your colleagues in state schools, the very people who educate your own children, have experienced and were driven to strike for? Speechless.

twistyizzy · 30/06/2024 12:02

JhsLs · 30/06/2024 12:01

Absolutely shocking that if your concern is for your own kids, who go to state schools, that you are happy with the tories remaining in government. What about the cuts they’ve made to funding over the years? You say you work in a private school, but I don’t know if you’re a teacher - but what about the 12% real terms pay cut your colleagues in state schools, the very people who educate your own children, have experienced and were driven to strike for? Speechless.

Labour haven't said that they will increase pay though have they?

Hoppinggreen · 30/06/2024 12:04

MadameMassiveSalad · 30/06/2024 11:32

They don't hate you op.
They just care about making a fairer society.
We will all benefit from that.

How does a fairer society benefit The Rich?
genuinely interested

MrsWimpy · 30/06/2024 12:07

The Tory-bots are busy today!

My life has got progressively worse under the conservatives. 14 years FOURTEEN YEARS of cuts on services and tax breaks for the ultra rich.

I sympathise to an extent with the private school VAT situation but we have to end this system of serious inequality somehow. (Plus let's face it- most will "find" the money.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/06/2024 12:08

Cooper77 · 30/06/2024 11:25

I know how you feel. I dread a Labour government.

People forget how hate-filled and destructive the left can be. Listen to a stand up routine by Frankie Boyle, for example. My partner is a big fan of Boyle (who describes himself as more left-wing than Chomsky), and so I've seen many of his shows. Like so many on the left, he seems to be motivated by bitterness and hatred, which he disguises as sympathy for the poor. Socialism attracts such people. It's perfect. Not only does it tell them that their failure and unhappiness isn't their fault, it's 'the system', but it also promises revenge. Just wait until the revolution, or until we gain power, then you'll see. Of course, they don't use that language. They talk about 'justice' instead.

The left have this vague enemy, onto whom they project all their bitterness and hatred, and who then becomes the target for their spite. A lot of people who vote Labour are actually despised by the party itself. If you are mildly patriotic, middle(ish) class, own your own home, read the Daily Mail, don't want houses built on the green belt, resent people who exploit the welfare system, and think immigration is out of control, Labour are not on your side. You might vote for them, because you think we need a change, and because you consider yourself moderate and reasonable, but you'll get a government that hates you.

Take house-building as an example. Now it's true that we have a housing shortage, and obviously people need somewhere to live. But having talked to left-wingers, I get the impression that what they really want to do is not provide the poor with somewhere to live, but ruin the lives of middle-class NIMBYs. They love to imagine some middle-class couple having social housing flats built on the field next door, ideally with a few 'problem families' whose kids terrorize the neighbourhood and ruin those NIMBY's lives.

Immigration is another example. Any sane, rational person can see that these boatloads of fit young men are undocumented migrants, not refugees. Refugees tend to be women, children and the elderly. If you allow tens of thousands of undocumented young men into a country (many of them, no doubt, criminals fleeing the police), it's going to cause problems. But the left welcome those problems. So long as it upsets the Daily Mail NIMBYs, that's enough.

Another example is cancel culture. I don't believe that the woke left really care about 'offensive' passages in a Jane Austen novel. When they demand Austen's novels be removed from schools, or that passages in Roald Dahl's books be re-written, etc, what they really enjoy is upsetting their fans. Same goes for vandalising statues of Winston Churchill. They don't really care about some remark he made in 1927 (probably taken out of context). They just enjoy seeing the horrible Daily Mail NIMBYs getting upset when his statue is covered in graffiti.

I remember Roger Scruton saying that he was in Paris in 1968 during the uprising. He was left-wing himself at the time (I believe) and so mingled with the crowd asking them their views and so on. When he spoke to the students involved, all he got back was a load of pseudo-intellectual Marxist gibberish. And it suddenly dawned on him that they weren't really interested in politics at all – they were just enjoying smashing windows and upsetting people. That's the left in a nutshell.

The left have this vague enemy, onto whom they project all their bitterness and hatred, and who then becomes the target for their spite.

Vague Enemy? Have you read your own post?😵‍💫

Spinet · 30/06/2024 12:09

Hoppinggreen · 30/06/2024 12:04

How does a fairer society benefit The Rich?
genuinely interested

Lower turnover of cleaners because their teeth don't fall out/ they don't die of preventable disease? Fewer homeless people's tents to have to pick through on their walk between the car and their £1000 a table charity fundraiser? Better educated workforce to run their businesses while they're on their cruises?

twistyizzy · 30/06/2024 12:09

MrsWimpy · 30/06/2024 12:07

The Tory-bots are busy today!

My life has got progressively worse under the conservatives. 14 years FOURTEEN YEARS of cuts on services and tax breaks for the ultra rich.

I sympathise to an extent with the private school VAT situation but we have to end this system of serious inequality somehow. (Plus let's face it- most will "find" the money.

Why is anyone who criticises Labour automatically accused of being a Tory/Tory bot?
It really doesn't bode well for democracy that Labour supporters rush to cancel any opposition.

Workbabysleeprepeat · 30/06/2024 12:10

I agree op. We are in the squeezed middle and by the time we pay for old student loans, childcare, support my elderly parents financially, high cost of living etc we have not a lot left for food, life etc and are struggling. I can’t afford to take more of the state burden and it really irritates me that people think middle earners are not allowed to be struggling! Everyone is in a different circumstance.
I can’t vote for labour because my family cannot afford it. I can’t vote for conservatives because I can’t in good faith submit everyone to more of the same. I am thinking of not voting at all.
I think the global circumstances are difficult and will make the next term tricky for whoever is in government.

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/06/2024 12:12

TooBifForMyBoots
**
“Vague Enemy? Have you read your own post?😵‍💫”

🤣🤣🤣 Quite.

missmam · 30/06/2024 12:15

Charlie2121 · 30/06/2024 09:19

Labour is a party of division. They promote toxic victimhood.

The only benefit that will result from their hopefully single term in office will be to refresh people’s minds about just how appalling and destructive they are.

It feels as if we are about to be punished.

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Huge amen to that! Perfectly put

hairbearbunches · 30/06/2024 12:15

This is really about inheritance. People are worried Labour will drop the threshold.

There is about to be the biggest transfer of wealth EVER as boomers, the luckiest generation in history who enjoyed stratospheric house price inflation all completely unearned, start to die off and pass that unearned wealth on to children and grandchildren...and all those children and grandchildren don't want anyone coming along and spoiling their party. All it will do is entrench the inequality for future generations as the families who have already done very well will continue to do very well, their kids will all get massive legs up on top of the legs up they've already had and so the merry go round continues. Inheritance is not wrong per se, but it needs to be capped at significantly lower than £1million. We're already living in a two tier system. We'll end up in a civil war if we continue letting the already wealthy keep their money and more besides.

I wouldn't worry. There's about as much chance of Tory Starmer tackling inheritance as there is of him inviting Farage to be his Deputy PM.

MrsWimpy · 30/06/2024 12:16

I am the "squeezed middle", I would still rather pay £5 a month more in taxes to support the country.

cupcaske123 · 30/06/2024 12:16

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/06/2024 12:01

cupcaske123
You're cherry picking an argument. I was responding to a poster saying that they don't care about care homes and want the elderly to kill themselves.

No I’m not. Your comment to that poster suggested to me that you thought anyone who agrees with assisted dying is akin to Himler.

Yes you are. And I stand by what I said, anyone who says they don't care about care homes and the elderly can die, is reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

Phial · 30/06/2024 12:17

SeriaMau · 30/06/2024 09:38

Same here. I’m an ordinary person and I understand that Labour intend to take away my life’s savings and double VAT on food. I don’t know how I will cope. I would leave the country but I expect Labour to seal the borders.

Thanks for giving me my first laugh of the day!

How do you think Labour will go about sealing borders?

Spinet · 30/06/2024 12:20

cupcaske123 · 30/06/2024 12:16

Yes you are. And I stand by what I said, anyone who says they don't care about care homes and the elderly can die, is reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

Anyone who has witnessed the slow death of a loved one does not think of assisted dying as a nazi idea or as just letting old people die, whatever side of the political fence they're on. Especially if they've also seen the euthanasia of a pet to compare it to in terms of how humane it is.

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/06/2024 12:21

cupcaske123

That isn’t what that poster said. They didn’t say the elderly can die, they said they were more interested in assisted dying. As am I, as is my husband. That doesn’t mean we want it forced on anyone else!

You and I clearly drew different meanings from the same comment.