Labour hate people like me

[Meadowtrees]

I feel sick at the thought of how much our lives are going to change.

This is not a thread to bash or criticise people nervous about Labour. It’s a place for those of us who are feeling very anxious to have a bit of space - it’s not something we are ‘allowed’ to say in public without being called ‘scum’ ‘selfish tories’ or similar. I’m not particularly linked to any party and not sure how to vote, I may spoil my ballot.

Labour have made it very clear that they intend to make us poorer and our lives harder.
I’m a woman - Labour intend to remove women’s rights
I’m rural - Labour aren’t interested in rural areas
I work in a private school - enough said
I have teens - I expect Labour to put vat on uni fees
We both work full time and have slogged our guts out to now be in a position where we have a comfortable (but not high) income - I expect to be taxed more heavily.
We have elderly parents - I expect the cost of care and inheritance tax to increase.

Maybe it’s selfish but we’re screwed and I don’t expect that what we lose will be put to efficient or good use. It feels like we will be punished for having worked hard and being ambitious.

I agree.

I agree with you that the VAT is a punishment and I expect you will see further tax rises if there is a Labour government. You should be exactly the type of person who is supported as as you quite rightly say you have saved the government/local schools by not using the services.

Labour have been full of the same soundbites - we will not raise XXX on working people - it is always what is not said which is the worrying part of political parties.

There are may who believe on Friday 05th July we will all wake up with constant blue skies, sun shining, birds singing and the UK wil be great as Labour have won the election, then there are the realists amoungst us who will be living on tenterhooks waiting to see how much extra we will be paying in taxes.

You know where you stand in a hell hole

Well, I was a teenager when the Coalition tripled university fees. I voted Remain. I'm a graduate who drinks lattes occasionally and quite likes going abroad. I volunteered with refugees at my local church. I've felt pretty despised the entire time this lot have been in government.

Oh - and my partner works in the NHS. We've really been feeling the love for the last however many years!

Most of the financial press seem to think September 25 at the earliest. You should have at least the first year.

I'm a middle earner (40% bracket) and don't intend to vote Labour or Conservative, but I have mixed feelings about both.

Labour things that I would support are: investment in nhs, ban on trail hunting, tax on private school fees, increased inheritance tax, windfall tax on energy companies, clamping down on tax avoidance, ban on sale of petrol cars, generally, a reduction in inequality.

Things that I don't like about Labour are: KS is a weak leader and didn't come across well in the election debates compared to RS. I don't like a fence sitter, I want to know what I'm voting for, and KS was far too evasive about certain things. Labour appear to have no realistic policy for ending illegal migration across the channel. Labour have 'ruled out' taxing wealth, which is disappointing, and may otherwise have swayed me towards voting for them. I'm not impressed by the prospect of them building on the green belt (to accommodate all the extra people who will be flooding into the country under Labour!).

@Meadowtrees "Curlew - some people have been very unpleasant."

The title of your thread says that people like me hate people like you. Don't you think that's a pretty unpleasant thing to say?

@schloss
"There are may who believe on Friday 05th July we will all wake up with constant blue skies, sun shining, birds singing and the UK wil be great as Labour have won the election"

There is literally nobody with a brain cell who thinks like that. We're in a shit situation-and it'll be tough to get out of it. At least Labour isn't going to dig us in even deeper...

At least Labour isn't going to dig us in even deeper...

We hope.

Curlew - it doesn’t compare to personal attacks.

Compare that to 14 years of a government who absolutely despise anyone who isn’t super rich, connected and powerful. They’ve spent 14 years laughing at the vast majority of us.

Labour has a huge huge hole to lift this country out of and I believe it’s the turn of the super rich and powerful to help: tax them heavily.

As a (about to be ex) teacher with friends and family who work in the NHS, and who lives in an urban area ‘up North’, I’ve seen first hand how many people’s lives have been made considerably worse. If the tories stay in power, I dread to think what will happen.

@CurlewKate I agree. The set up of the thread is very divisive. I have voted Lib Dem and Labour in the past, and this time in this constituency will vote Lib Dem because a) the candidate is great (and by the way doesnt believe in gender woo because he has a medic as a wife), and b) because I want the Tories out.
But here's the thing - I have a lot of Tory friends. And they're still my friends, and they'll be my friends after July 4th, whatever the outcome. They're all bright people who have thought about the issues, just as I have, although come to different conclusions. I suspect some won't vote at all this time. But some may stick with their Tory guts. And that's fine.
I also believe that like me they'll still continue to have their lovely holidays and live in their lovely houses. I hope so anyway.

I really liked the green party co leader's view on tax. Essentially that given the current state of the nation (and let's not forget the tax burden has risen to its highest in several decades under the Tories) many people are paying for private GPS and private schools to account for the fact that public sector is so poor, we also end up paying in a round about way for lack of investment of infrastructure (high ticket prices on trains, constant repairs of wheels and tyres because of potholes).

I want to be taxed to create a fairer society.

It isn't just those 'up North'. I am in the south east, worked in London, and was a 1% earner. Brexshit caused most of my work to move abroad, and coupled with the Trussterfuck, I struggle to get work at all now.

The Conservative Party has royally buggered the country.

I haven't been abusive and I have asked twice about the importance of women's health to squeezed middle women. But it seems not that important. So it's better to just catastrophise.

Suggestions for thread titles:

”Tories hate the poor”
”Tories hate women”
”Tories hate teachers”
“Tories hate our children”
”Tories hate our parents”

… and so on. You can get dramatic and make a case for all of the above, and millions more such threads.

The problem is that if you tax the ‘super rich’ too much, they will just abandon the UK as they can work from anywhere. We will then be left with only lower earners paying taxes and how much revenue will that bring in?

Labour have their diggers poised and ready, they will certainly create some very large holes.

@Meadowtrees "Curlew - it doesn’t compare to personal attacks."

Doesn't it? Being told I hate people feels pretty bloody personal to me!

@schloss "Labour have their diggers poised and ready, they will certainly create some very large holes."

It's possible, of course.

@CurlewKate

"@Iamthemoom "The vat on school fees is a huge punishment to me I'm afraid."

It really, really isn't a "punishment""

Any tax that raises less tax revenue than it costs to raise is both fiscally flawed and a punishment.

If it's not a punishment and a reasonable tax raising measure then why does no other country tax education?

As much as being called a rich Tory twat?

I don't know the situation worldwide, but of two administrations I am familiar with, India taxes education and NZ taxes English language (EFL) education. EU countries don't because of EU legislation - Brexit has made VAT on school fees feasible.

You can’t work from just anywhere due to various tax issues, let alone not every middle income job being portable, or every middle income family having the same desire to up sticks and leave the country for a few pennies more. Plus language issues, integrating into a different society, family etc etc. This is scaremongering.