Labour hate people like me

[Meadowtrees]

I feel sick at the thought of how much our lives are going to change.

This is not a thread to bash or criticise people nervous about Labour. It’s a place for those of us who are feeling very anxious to have a bit of space - it’s not something we are ‘allowed’ to say in public without being called ‘scum’ ‘selfish tories’ or similar. I’m not particularly linked to any party and not sure how to vote, I may spoil my ballot.

Labour have made it very clear that they intend to make us poorer and our lives harder.
I’m a woman - Labour intend to remove women’s rights
I’m rural - Labour aren’t interested in rural areas
I work in a private school - enough said
I have teens - I expect Labour to put vat on uni fees
We both work full time and have slogged our guts out to now be in a position where we have a comfortable (but not high) income - I expect to be taxed more heavily.
We have elderly parents - I expect the cost of care and inheritance tax to increase.

Maybe it’s selfish but we’re screwed and I don’t expect that what we lose will be put to efficient or good use. It feels like we will be punished for having worked hard and being ambitious.

Why the fuck would you pay to send your dc to a school that doesn't have enough of the correct subject teachers, especially when they can get that for free? Leaving aside the tax issue, that's a total waste of money.

That's happened under the tories and is on their record.

Then they sold all our gold.
Blair’s government started off with an economy that was recovering rapidly after the crash in the late 80s. But as they always do, they overspent, engaged in a war that never should have taken place. So yes the early years were great but only because there was plenty in the pantry.

I'm far more worried about our lack of food and energy security than I am about the loss of our former gold reserves. I can't eat gold, nor can I use it to run my central heating.

Mrs skylar - why assume that people criticising Labour are all from ‘central office’? Bizarre. It’s this kind of arrogance that I find really off putting, a complete lack of awareness that some people disagree and a dismal of people’s criticism.

It’s the equivocation in your statement. “I am well off because i’ve worked very hard” - i know enough daily mail reader types like you to know your lot believe you are somehow better than people who are less well off and you deserve what you have and shouldn’t have to share it. Even if it’s things like inheritances you clearly haven’t earned (but then of course your parents ‘worked hard’ blah blah). It’s just an ick statement only ever made by people who are trying to make a pretty nasty point about their lot in life.

I earn a good salary and absolutely got everything I have through hard work, but have the human decency to see I work loads less hard than nurses and teachers and multiple groups who are screwed by the tories and need some of us (yes, those who earn more, sorry) to stick our hands in our pockets and chuck a bit more into the pot.

Xsns - your point makes no sense. I am comfortably off due to working hard, that’s just a fact, not a judgement on anyone else. If I stop working I won’t have an income. If I work less hard (by going part time or dropping some responsibilities) I’ll get paid less.!And I don’t read the daily Mail (another thing people like to say in a sneering tone to anyone who criticises Labour). And I am a teacher, which you list in groups of people who work hard.

The OP is a teacher!

Vat on food is 0%, what does that work out to if you double 0?

The only food products that have VAT on are UPF crisps and snacks, confectionary and sports drinks, and food eaten from restaurants and takeaways, which is rated at 20%.

There are no plans to double VAT on food, it would kill the catering and hospitality industry to charge 40% VAT on restaurant meals and takeaways.

Xns - your condescension, rudeness, assumptions and personal attack isn’t reassuring me that Labour have the best interest of people like me in mind. You say you earn half a million pounds a year without working particularly hard and yet you have the temerity to criticise me, a teacher, for saying that I work hard and am concerned that Labours policies will affect me negatively. On a thread where I have said I’m not sure how to vote. Does it make you feel good to look down from your position of security and tell others who are considerably less well off / concerned about losing their jobs that they should ‘chuck a bit more in the pot’? Champagne socialism at its finest.

I've stated on here a few times that the aggression and name calling by some Labour supporters towards others on this forum is awful.
Dare to query or criticise any Labour policy and you are immediately a self-serving Tory. There is a real sneering hatred emanating from some comments.
It really doesn't bode well for when Labour do get in.

Champagne socialism at its finest.

The mask just slipped.

Good god. 🙄

OP has just had a good slagging. I don't blame her for getting annoyed and telling it like it is.

Yawn.

Well it would become clearer very soon. I hope is better than expected but when I see the divisive policy that KS decided to make his best weapon I know what is coming. I guess Labour voters would blame the tories for all the tax raises as they would claim it is their fault. Tories should have been more assertive dealing with lower income lower skills immigrants and crime. We have been through a lot as a country and is only a few of us footing the welfare bill. Still they want to take more. Everyone would be worse off except the very rich.

@Meadowtrees I agree with you and understand your concerns. I will not be silenced into thinking all will not be a wonderful Labour governement, should they win the coming election.

The sad situation is that those of us who have differing views, or dare to voice them are treated by contempt by many.

How can the current level of taxation be the fault of anyone other than the administration that has been administering for the past 14 years?

Besides, every government blames the previous one. Sunak even tried that and blamed Truss.

Depends what those views are. How much they are based on reality or fanned by the press or agitators acting in bad faith.

Quite. Like the post title really. Labour don't 'hate' anyone. There will be segments of society who get more focus, segments that get less, taxation rates will be adjusted as they see fit, some will benefit, and some will lose out, just like with any government. It isn't to do with whether the Labour Party likes or dislikes anyone though. Just how they think they can manage the economy.

They certainly are not thinking "oh, we hate @Meadowtrees , so let's increase taxes / put VAT on school fees etc just because we hate people in that position".

Really? You really believe that Raynor doesn't hate anyone who went to private school, or sends their kids to private school? If so then you severely wrong. That's why they have refused to engage with the sector in any way, shape or form. That's why they use the language they do etc. She lumps all private schools in with Eton and has a visceral hatred of private schools and their alumni. Clearly documented over the years.

Not in any way that will influence their economic policy. Whatever her personal views are, it would take a whole Labour cabinet to have the same view to implement economic policy on that basis, and the public would see through it immediately so they'd never get a second term.

Whatever I think of Starmer, I just can't see him chairing a meeting where they are all sitting around the table wondering what they can do to piss on the bonfire of people who went to pprivate school. Especially when he went to one himself.

Also, they generally do what is necessary to keep them in power as long as possible as their egos demand it.

Raynor doesn't hate people who went to private school or she couldn't possibly do her job working in the house of parliament alongside privately educated people from her own party as well as others. Even MPs from rival parties don't hate each other because they are not in Y6, they are professional people with a job to do.

She may well hate the SYSTEM which has meant that roughly 30% of MPs were privately educated in a population where something like 7% are because that is not representative - and I'm sure she'd agree it's not merit-based either. But that's not the same as her hating YOU - a perfectly ordinary person with a family who is no doubt very much like the poshest of her colleagues in the Labour party.

Once again "depends on what those views are" - it is not your choice as to my or anyone elses views - just because they may differ from yours does not mean they are not based on reality. My opinions are not based on anything I hear or read from the MSM, or social media or any other source, they are opinions are I subscribe to. The political process is such I can hold different views and choose who I vote for, it should not mean I am deemed wrong for not subscribing to one political opinion or another.

What does "YOU - a perfectly ordinary person with a family who is no doubt very much like the poshest of her colleagues in the Labour party" actually mean?