Labour hate people like me

[Meadowtrees]

I feel sick at the thought of how much our lives are going to change.

This is not a thread to bash or criticise people nervous about Labour. It’s a place for those of us who are feeling very anxious to have a bit of space - it’s not something we are ‘allowed’ to say in public without being called ‘scum’ ‘selfish tories’ or similar. I’m not particularly linked to any party and not sure how to vote, I may spoil my ballot.

Labour have made it very clear that they intend to make us poorer and our lives harder.
I’m a woman - Labour intend to remove women’s rights
I’m rural - Labour aren’t interested in rural areas
I work in a private school - enough said
I have teens - I expect Labour to put vat on uni fees
We both work full time and have slogged our guts out to now be in a position where we have a comfortable (but not high) income - I expect to be taxed more heavily.
We have elderly parents - I expect the cost of care and inheritance tax to increase.

Maybe it’s selfish but we’re screwed and I don’t expect that what we lose will be put to efficient or good use. It feels like we will be punished for having worked hard and being ambitious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fur_Farming_(Prohibition)_Act_2000

Point 38 - Banned Fur Farming.

I could do this for the other points - but it would be very time consuming, so, as requested, this is a demonstration of fact checking.

https://www.shrewsburylabour.org.uk/labours-top-50-achievements/

I’ve lived under both Labour and conservative governments.
I work hard for a living often 7 days a week.
I can tell you that I was better off under Labour.
I cannot speak for those who don’t work either because they are extremely rich, or claim benefits and don’t feel the need to work.
So yes, I really hope labour win,
My young adult children (again they have to work for a living) are voting Labour and will be better off under Labour.

This .
Im old enough to remember previous Labour governments and I think people are going to be in for a big surprise, it's not the milk and honey people think , the economy was shot and nothing worked with the unions having an absolute stranglehold.

I’m old enough to remember them too and recollections vary. Mine is very different. The economy was in fantastic shape for the first decade of the last Labour government.

I think that poster is confused with the 70s.

I earn less than ten percent of what you earn, yet I'm holding my nose to vote Tory.

The woman only spaces point btw is just weird as I’m never sure what these spaces are supposed to be.

Female-only group counseling for rape victims, battered women's refuges, changing rooms, women-only gyms and swimming sessions, and lesbian-only meetups all spring to mind. I'm voting for the party of Liz Truss and Kemi Badenoch as these women have tried to protect the rights of women to create and maintain these spaces. I'm not voting for my Labour incumbent, who has pronouns on her Twitter and thinks I'm some kind of bigot for holding a "belief worthy of respect in a democratic society".

I was treated by a wonderful male doctor.

Women wanting a female doctor after rape is so commonplace and reasonable a request that, despite trantrumming from the usual quarters, the Scots parliament voted to make it a legally-enshrined right. You being OK with a male doctor doesn't mean every woman is. I'm certainly not OK with a male smear nurse: male presence + vaginal pain = flashbacks. Your right to not use female-only spaces and services is in no way infringed upon by other women having the right to use them.

Many people do think that Keir Starmer is a convincing leader.
Intelligent, successful in his career to date and has served the public all his working life. I cannot imagine how much money and time the media and Tory party have spent trying to dig some dirt on him and they've come up with nothing - that must be rare.

I have faith that with him we won't have the dramas we have seen over the past several years but just a stead slog towards improving things that badly need improving.

I wonder what you are looking for in a leader that he doesn't provide?

I wonder what you are looking for in a leader that he doesn't provide?

Someone who can give a straight answer to the question "what is a woman?".

Someone who has the backs of his female MPs who do know what a woman is and are threatened with rape and murder because of that, like Rosie Duffield.

I'm so looking forward to the end of the election, so that we don't have this endless preponderance of posts trying to influence the outcome.

Labour don’t know what a woman is - so forget any special treatment.

Thank you for your reply @MaidOfAle .

I was actually replying to @SlothOnARope and asking the question of her.

Indeed or that Ted Heath was Tory leader and the three day week was under a Conservative government.

I think quite a lot of younger people do have very high expectations. Certainly the ones I work with see the current state of the country as entirely a moral failing of the Conservatives and see Labour as a new dawn. There is obviously some good reason for that but I am not sure they appreciate how little is in government control to fix, at least in the short term. There’s also a lot of talk on how different life was under the last Labour government but there were also lots that was not so good and the global situation (at least at first) was much more benign. I worry that people who are disappointed will turn more extreme next time.

How old though @hattie43 ? Because the first half of my career was under Labour (wasn't a Labour voter but it was great teaching under a Labour government) then second half under Tories. My salary is the exact same as it was 14 years ago. Not 'adjusted for inflation' - just exactly the same amount...

What are the awful dreadful things from 14-20 years ago which beat the fucking mental weirdness and lack of care for the entire community of the UK population which the idiots in charge have achieved over the last 14 years..?!

I am voting Labour for the first time in the very real hope of removing the smug, Eton educated, Oxford grad who has dicked about in our constituency for 10 years and will have to go off and work for a living on July 5th.

@Churchview His popularity has been consistently low and people are tending to vote for him because Rishi is even worse.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48786-labour-and-starmer-arent-popular-but-the-tories-are-even-less-so

I want clarity, conviction and forthrightness on eg Gaza and gender rather than fudging and flipflopping, which is (rightly or wrongly) what I associate Starmer with. Voters shouldn't have to do the hard work to understand what it is their future PM stands for. It should be crystal clear.

But I also despise the modern Labour party and think they're a bunch of fakes, so probably wouldn't matter to me if they put Peppa pig in as their leader.

I'm only on page 2, but already fed up with the "I work really hard" bullshit. Loads of people on low incomes work really fucking hard, stop thinking that they don't. I'm a SEN TA with 2 other jobs, don't tell me I don't work hard because I'm poor.

Ridiculous - who has told you that? No one on this thread has said that people on low incomes don’t work hard. Equally just because some people earn more than you doesn’t mean they work less hard. They may also have more responsibility (eg line managing a team of people or being responsible for vast budgets, people’s safety etc.

The multiple "I work really hard" comments.

I look after teens who often have serious mental health issues, have awful home lives, have been through a lot of trauma. I'd say that's a pretty responsible and important job.

i don’t understand. Me saying I work really hard (I do) isn’t the same as saying someone- anyone, you, doesn’t.

It’s a very important job, obviously. Who says it isn’t? I expect your line manager gets paid more than you though, because they have the same responsibilities as you + some more. It doesn’t mean they work harder though.

Well, we all have different opinions.

I don’t think expectations are particularly high this time round. I think Starmer’s played a very clever game with a strategy of under promise and over deliver.

I believe in general expectations are extremely high and the pressure is on to deliver from the first day in office or people will become very angry very quickly.

Time will tell who’s right. Given the distinct lack of excitement that’s been the theme of this campaign according to almost all the commentators, I don’t get the impression many people expect much.

paasll · Today 14:29
I feel similarly OP. I’d urge you to vote either Lib Dem or Conservative - whichever is the most likely to reduce Labour’s majority.
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Labour are going to seriously hurt people who have worked their guts out and managed to save/buy a house etc. “working people” only includes those that earn up to 30 something k. The rest can bend over and get ready to be fucked. And people who don’t work don’t count as working people.
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I didn’t vote last election. I don’t like any of them. But Starmer is terrifying.
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Labour will hurt people. And unfortunately the “improvements” won’t materialise.
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my ds has just left a private school. Starmer is so out of touch that he doesn’t realise that private schools are short of maths teachers as well. In ours, they’ve increased maths classes to 25+ and cover work is frequently emailed for older kids to do completely alone. No teacher at all in the classroom not even a cover teacher. Teachers have had breakdowns as they are so overworked. The attitude that most private schools can “trim costs” is utterly ignorant and out of touch with what’s going on. It’s also disturbing that everyone happy with VAT on private fees doesn’t realise the consequences for other stuff. If they are VATing all fees, then nothing’s off limits. My fees included food swimming lessons and transport!!

Hi there, Central Office. Hope you’re on double time working on a Sunday.