Labour can't win

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Unless absolutely SHEDLOADS of people who voted Conservative in 2019 vote Labour this time.

That's right, isn't it?

The houses of parliament voted yes to an illegal war because Labour CREATED a dodgy dossier of lies saying Iraq had WMD intended for us. It was all lies. I don't see why you seem to be trying to defend Labour's record on this? It should be a red line for any normal person surely?
As I said I won't ever vote for lieing warmongers again... they can fool me once....
Why you are trying to excuse their actions is beyond me. There are other parties out there that have better morals.

Good grief, you have just summed up everything I have been wrangling with for the past few weeks (and I love the buttering of parsnips reference!)
Okay so there's this slight terrifying ideology about gender rife amongst all parties bar the Tories (plus, probably, probably Reform, but when I try to read their contract I get a bit sick in my mouth).
But they have done NOTHING EVER to protect women. Yes, they've had three female PMs: the first one, well... as a Thatcher's child, I have little good to say about her; the second was a lamb to the slaughter; and the third was a deranged human being (who, in my opinion killed the Queen!).
A younger colleague said to me a few years ago that gender will become redundant. I hope she is wrong, but may be we just have to accept and work hard to protect female sex spaces

And hopefully they will fund the schools to enhance basic literacy and spelling. WTF is a torie?

They're not Labour and are starting to sort out the gender woo-woos.

There is a lot of apathy out there, Alastair Campbell (love him or hate him) has talked at length about being worried by it. He says lots of people have said things along the lines of “Labour are bound to win so I’m going to vote Green as a protest vote.”

Worse still, for Labour, is that people assume its a done deal so don’t even bother voting at all.

I hope gender does become redundant. Sex is real, gender is just a set of stereotypes and expectations imposed by society.

@TarantinoIsAMisogynist

It's not from a poll. it's just my rough numbers - and it's just of an example of what I am worried will happen, as I see a split and no majority on here.

Are you seeing a majority on here? Which party are you seeing it for?

I agree

This should be an open goal.
Half the U.K. hate the Tories and the half that don't realise that a fourth term in office isn't healthy and want a change.
So really no one actually wants the Conservatives to win next week. Yet Labour really aren't enthusing the nation are they.

I hope they are more dynamic in government then they are in opposition.

Tbh I don't think the Tories even WANT to stay in power.......let's face it they aren't putting up much of a fight. 😬

Never voted Conservative and never will.
I’m 66.

I don’t like Keir Starmer though. He’s as weak as water imo.

@Charlie2121

There are some seriously misinformed people on this thread.

Labour will win a huge majority without attracting a single new voter. They could even receive fewer votes than they did at the last GE and still end up winning by a mile.

How do you know Labour will win by a huge majority without attracting a single new voter?

You REALLY cannot know this!

The fact that some people are spelling Tory 'Torie' and Labour "Labor' on this thread, is when I start suspecting - if not bots, then certainly bad faith actors.

I've looked at a variety of polls which are conducted by a variety of organisations (e.g. YouGov, electoral calculus etc.) using an approved methodology. They have evolved over the last few weeks, but they are all predicting a labour win by a large margin.

It's not based on what I 'see' in a vague psychic sense, which is how it seems you are using that word. It's not based on a feeling either. It's based on the data that lots of organisations are very busy gathering and interpreting.

They are likely to win - not because more people are voting Labour - but because the Tory vote is being split by Reform and people who don't fancy any of them.

@VoteOutToHelpOut thank you for correcting that point about Labour's last tenure.

People have short, and faulty, memories. Gordon Brown was PM after Blair and before Cameron.

OP - not everyone votes the same way every time. They don't always vote for who they actually want to win. I've voted tactically in elections before now.

Conservative voters are older - average age 62 - and are starting to die off

This makes no sense because as they 'die off' the older age groups are repopulated with younger people getting older.

I will always remember the footage of the coffins coming back to the Uk from that war. It was absolutely criminal.

I will not be voting Labour and none of my friends are.

No, I think it's more the safety of what you know. A lot of people are worried about higher taxes and it's a case of better the devil you know. A lot of people don't like change

But the average age at which someone transitions to being a conservative voters is also going up - stats were posted upthread.

There were more Labour mps that voted against the Iraq invasion than Tory mps, including Jermey Corbyn and Diane Abbott. Boris Johnson on the other hand consistently voted in favour of the Iraq war. I take it you voted for Corbyn in the last election?

Using this as a reason not to vote Labour doesn't make sense.

I hope they do win, if only to stop the whinging on here.

Then we can see all the magical things happen with all the money trees shedding money that most of MN seem to think will be the case and all the countries woes will be gone overnight.

I'm not trying to excuse it - I opposed the Iraq war at the time.

But there are tory supporters (not you) who use it as a stick to beat the Labour Party with, ignoring the fact that both parties voted Aye. In fact, the Labour Party had significantly more MPs rebelling and voting against than the conservatives did. It's simply not a point of difference between the two parties in my eyes - both supported it.

Nobody thinks that.