Labour can't win

[verdantverdure]

Unless absolutely SHEDLOADS of people who voted Conservative in 2019 vote Labour this time.

That's right, isn't it?

Well, that is simply not true. I came to the UK in 1997 when Labour had just come into power. I watched them bring in Sure Start, targets for the NHS, funding for education and the NMW. Labour were not perfect, but they did a hell of a lot more for working people and the low paid than the Tories have in the past 14 years. It is also worth remembering that when Labour lost the election in 2010, the economy was back into growth following the 2008 crash. The Tories' austerity stifled that growth.

And this is why we really need to teach politics and modern history properly in schools.

That’s as much bollocks as your earlier assertion that Labour was in power throughout the 80s and 90s.

Bloody hell! Would hope not 😂

@Nat6999 and @verdantverdure
Mansfield maybe....Ashfield has Lee Anderson and has already had a visit from Nigel. Votes seem to be neck and neck between Reform and Labour

To be honest I thought Mansfield was predicted to turn Labour and Reform were absolutely nowhere there.

The Lib Dem’s lost all credibility when they went into coalition with the Tories in 2010. No one in their right mind will vote for them if they remember what a shit leader Nick Clegg was and how he allowed Cameron/Osborne to start the wreckage that successive Tory governments have perpetuated ever since because of their ‘ideology’.

@verdantverdure
Mansfield likely to be massive swing back from Con to Labour, but Reform in second place. In Ashfield, Reform leading over Labour by around 9%

It was as nothing compared to the 18 years Tory rule that went before it, or the 14 years shitshow since. Do you really think it compares with what’s happened in this country since the pandemic ?

Does your ‘moral compass’ point you toward the Tories who have lied, cheated, feathered their own nests, robbed the poor to pay the rich and generally fucked this country for the last 14 years ?

Jesus wept. This is probably the most inept post I’ve ever seen on MN, and that’s saying something !! @BrendaSmall . I lived through the 80’s and 90s and my recollection is of Margaret Thatcher (Tory in case you’re in any doubt) leading the Tories to victory in 1979. The Tories were in power for the next 18 years until Blair won in 1997. Thatcher and her successors presided over a shitshow in the UK, but it was as nothing to the ultra shitshow the Tories have created since 2010. So the people who lost everything did so at the hands of the Tories and they definitely haven’t forgotten about it in either era. Perhaps you should go back and revise your history before you post again because you’re embarrassingly ignorant.

I think it's very unlikely that that is a genuine poster. To get those facts wrong, they would need to be a bot, a troll, or maybe some other kind of bad-faith actor. No genuine poster from the UK could make that mistake, IMO.

There’s quite a lot of that on this thread.

People thinking we had an election in 2020 during the pandemic and that.

Like you say, it’s hard to imagine that anyone who lives here would get that so wrong.

Weird.

There was actually an election during the pandemic though - May 2021.

Not in 2020 though. And not involving Corbyn as a PP claimed. And not even a general election.

There have been a lot of posts with frankly bizarre factual errors.

There was no election in 2021……

It was 2019. 5 year parliament and that.

2021 were local elections

Again, that's not an error the average UK voter would make. I don't know anyone who would reference a local election when the conversation is about general elections.

The number of weird posts on this thread has been very high.

The various polls have the Lib Dem’s with a range of between 38 and 71 seats

And the Tories between 53 and 155 seats

Only about a dozen Tory constituencies are probably nailed on because all polls agree the Tories will win there.

It’s doable.

We need to vote and vote tactically.

Electoral calculus are actually predicting the Lib Dems will get slightly more seats than the Tories. I dare not get my hopes up that they are right.

There is a much narrower confidence interval on the number of seats for the Lib Dems.

The range (90% confidence) for the LDs is 48-82 seats, for the Tories it’s 24-170 seats.

It’s going to be an interesting night.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

Ssshhhhh, you’ll jinx it.

Jeremy Hunt is looking a bit “resigned to his fate” I’m told. And the Tories do their own secret polls too don’t they?

Oh my god. Longest. Christmas. Eve. EVER.

Oh my giddy aunt!

Daily Mail has been helpful and put this together

Edit, posted on wrong thread but will leave it standing

That’s helpful of them @RishisLeavingDo . Getting the tactical voting info out to those who are offline such as everyone’s Nan 😀

I’m just horrified on a mainly women’s forum, how many women are effectively willing to be turkeys voting for Christmas.