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General election 2024

Labour can't win

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verdantverdure · 29/06/2024 18:46

Unless absolutely SHEDLOADS of people who voted Conservative in 2019 vote Labour this time.

That's right, isn't it?

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BeaTagger · 30/06/2024 12:36

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Clavinova · 30/06/2024 12:37

HauntedPollingBooth
Nobody wants to keep foreign criminals in the UK

Some people think foreign criminals have a right to a family life in the UK, the right to stay close to their established communities etc.

80smonster · 30/06/2024 12:39

verdantverdure · 30/06/2024 02:30

Yeah, I think Brexit reduced a lot of people’s tolerance for lies, slogans and having their rights and opportunities taken away.

I think you will find most politicians lie. Labour is lying about the private school VAT policy, it’s a lowbrow dog whistle policy, that will disadvantage children across the country in all school sectors, and cost the state money. Just so we are all clear, Starmer plans to go to war with the European Court of Human Rights to have education laws redrafted. The UK left is trying to quash UK and European human rights laws, on the basis it will redraft these to suit their party’s ideological concept? Wow, this must be a cold day in hell. What a sorry state UK politics is in.

Notonthestairs · 30/06/2024 12:43

You either believe in the rule of law or you don't. If laws need to be revised we have to trust that the Government of the time will do so. What we cannot do is fail to apply the law. Patel left the Home office wide open to a JR - it should never have come to that.

You posted that article & either a) had zero curiosity about the substantive issues behind it or b) knew full well about the issues but hoped to score a cheap point. I have no way of knowing which.

Notonthestairs · 30/06/2024 12:44

"Just so we are all clear, Starmer plans to go to war with the European Court of Human Rights to have education laws redrafted."

Nope.
The Telegraph says Lord Pannick thinks the ECHR stops Labour putting VAT on private school fees.

He's wrong, and I think almost every tax lawyer will agree with me.

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The most important point is a practical one: ECHR challenges can override acts of Ministers/public officials, but can't override Acts of Parliament.

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TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 30/06/2024 12:50

Clavinova · 30/06/2024 12:30

But not the foreign criminals who want to stay in our country.

Again, you've lost the argument, so you're seeking to deflect.

verdantverdure · 30/06/2024 12:56

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Nice. We've had a Labour leaflet. You can't move for Lib Dems here Grin

The Tory campaigners tend not to be anyone I recognise.

Presumably because the locals aren't so keen to pound pavements as in some previous years.

Some very Tory friends of OH are even coming to our election night party. I said "Are you sure? You won't be sad seeing all those Tory stronghold seats turn over?" They said "God no. Shitshow." and asked if it was an all nighter. Grin

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BeaTagger · 30/06/2024 12:58

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Notonthestairs · 30/06/2024 13:00

We've only had L/Ds pamphlets (it's been at least a couple a week since the election was called).

verdantverdure · 30/06/2024 13:05

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 29/06/2024 19:07

If shedloads of former tories stay at home and shedloads of people who stayed at home vote Labour, it could work.

I do hope people who perhaps don't always vote will have seen that politics really does affect our lives whether it's fishermen catching E Coli from shit in rivers, our Nans having to wait too long on a cold floor for an ambulance, not being able to find an NHS dentist for the kids, not being able to find anywhere to rent that we can afford, the price of the weekly shop going up and up, or suddenly having to find an extra £500 a month to pay our mortgage.

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Hibernatalie · 30/06/2024 13:23

I think Labour will win a majority but I predict it'll be a lot closer than we think. I hope Lib Dem and Green win more seats that Reform.

verdantverdure · 30/06/2024 14:00

Notonthestairs · 30/06/2024 13:00

We've only had L/Ds pamphlets (it's been at least a couple a week since the election was called).

Why do you think that is? are you in a really safe seat they nobody else thinks they can win? Or are the Lib Dems working hard to win it?

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verdantverdure · 30/06/2024 14:03

Hibernatalie · 30/06/2024 13:23

I think Labour will win a majority but I predict it'll be a lot closer than we think. I hope Lib Dem and Green win more seats that Reform.

Let's hope so. I think they will.

I think most people quite sensibly look at the manifesto finances and Reforms are a complete nonsense.

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TheShellBeach · 30/06/2024 14:03

verdantverdure · 30/06/2024 14:00

Why do you think that is? are you in a really safe seat they nobody else thinks they can win? Or are the Lib Dems working hard to win it?

The Lib Dems are not a credible force. It doesn't help that their leader is a buffoon who thinks that his antics will win votes for his failing Party.

TheShellBeach · 30/06/2024 14:04

It does worry me that lots of people are prepared to vote Reform.
And they're open about it, too.
You'd think they'd be ashamed.

verdantverdure · 30/06/2024 14:09

TheShellBeach · 30/06/2024 14:04

It does worry me that lots of people are prepared to vote Reform.
And they're open about it, too.
You'd think they'd be ashamed.

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They definitely don't seem shy about it.

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Charlie2121 · 30/06/2024 14:12

Notonthestairs · 30/06/2024 12:44

"Just so we are all clear, Starmer plans to go to war with the European Court of Human Rights to have education laws redrafted."

Nope.
The Telegraph says Lord Pannick thinks the ECHR stops Labour putting VAT on private school fees.

He's wrong, and I think almost every tax lawyer will agree with me.

Thread:

The most important point is a practical one: ECHR challenges can override acts of Ministers/public officials, but can't override Acts of Parliament.

x.com/danneidle/status/1806732361838592115?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Starker and Labour want to proceed with a policy that harms children and raises no money. If that doesn’t concern you then I’m afraid you are not being objective.

RishisLeavingDo · 30/06/2024 14:16

What harms children more, going to school hungry or having to cut back on takeaways?

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 30/06/2024 14:23

TheShellBeach · 30/06/2024 14:04

It does worry me that lots of people are prepared to vote Reform.
And they're open about it, too.
You'd think they'd be ashamed.

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Sadly, in many circles, racism isn't seen as something to be ashamed of.

TroysMammy · 30/06/2024 14:28

verdantverdure · 30/06/2024 11:47

It's odd isn't it?

You hear from certain quarters qabout how things are dreadful in Wales with a Labour government. Mostly from people not in Wales.

But then they vote Labour again, and it's the Tories that lose seats.

It's almost as if...

I was born in and still live in Wales. The Labour candidate for Swansea West has been parachuted in from London. He has no connection to Swansea or Wales as a whole.

verdantverdure · 30/06/2024 14:34

I follow him on Twitter @TroysMammy. He's very knowledgeable on a range of policy areas. He'll be an excellent MP and help contribute to competent government.

Are you're saying people won't vote for him because he's not local?

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VoteOutToHelpOut · 30/06/2024 14:36

TheShellBeach · 30/06/2024 14:03

The Lib Dems are not a credible force. It doesn't help that their leader is a buffoon who thinks that his antics will win votes for his failing Party.

The electorate has an unfortunate history when it comes to voting for buffoons. Remember that blond one?

verdantverdure · 30/06/2024 15:02

Nat6999 · 30/06/2024 02:08

Seats like Mansfield & Ashfield will go back to Labour, tactical voting in seats where the Tories only have a small majority are the ones where they have the best chance of losing them. Tactical voting will have a big effect on results.

I certainly hope so. I worry that I’m in a bubble of tactical voters and it’s not as widespread as it needs to be to get the down to below 75 seats.

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verdantverdure · 30/06/2024 15:06

TheShellBeach · 30/06/2024 14:03

The Lib Dems are not a credible force. It doesn't help that their leader is a buffoon who thinks that his antics will win votes for his failing Party.

I sort of get that the media will more or less dismiss the Lib Dems as irrelevant unless they do something attention seeking and I really admire his gusto, but then I’m one of the people who checks I withTwitter to see what he’s up to every day. It dies always have a serious policy angle.

it seems crazy for the media to ignore the Lib Dems when if about 50 seats go there way instead of to the Tories they’ll be the Opposition.

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BrendaSmall · 30/06/2024 17:52

FeelingHotHotHotFeelingHotHotHot · 30/06/2024 10:50

@BrendaSmall

LOL #awkward. As a few posters have said, that was the CONSERVATIVES! Not Labour. In fact things did improve once Labour took over again in the late 1990s - for a while. Yeah Blair took us into an illegal war, and that finished him, but there were some good times with Labour until the credit crunch in 2008. And yep they left the country with no money.

As has been said, no Government ever seems to get it right, they just try their best in a bad situation. (Sometimes that is, when they're not lining their own pockets!) I do feel though, that Conservatives are more corrupt and grabby and greedy, and hate the poor and disabled more than Labour.

So I think, so as not to split the vote, I am going to vote for Labour. I come from a 'Labour til I die' type family of tradies and miners and factory workers, so it's in my blood anyway.

Sorry, thought it was something else

no matter who takes over it’s going to take years to get this country back on its feet, all politicians are cut from the same cloth and all promise something different, yet in the end they all end up doing the same as each other party suggests