Labour can't win

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Unless absolutely SHEDLOADS of people who voted Conservative in 2019 vote Labour this time.

That's right, isn't it?

Exactly!

Can you please link to this failure to follow due process?

But Jeremy Corbyn made me do it;

Labour Party sources say it does not want to block future deportation flights for serious criminals and this letter was signed under the previous regime.

A Judicial Review discovered that they had been denied access to lawyers after a phone mast was broken. We allow access to lawyers, that is part of the process.

You might want to read the whole thing, not just the cherry picked paragraphs.

Yes, the Court of Appeal is bound to uphold UK law, and that law applies to the government as well as everyone else.

I'm interested to know which posters think that the government shouldn't have to abide by its own laws? We live in a civilised society and part of the deal is that everyone has access to justice.

If you genuinely oppose that principle, you're getting into the realm of viewing certain categories of people (those you consider undesirable) as being outside the protection of the law. And that is a fascist view, no two ways about it.

It’s in the article that a pp has selectively quoted from.

The Court of Appeal is what blocked the deportation, not Corbyn or Starmer. Is the Court of Appeal made up of crazy lefties too?

Or are you one of those people that thinks senior judges seeking to uphold UK law are "enemies of the people"?

Honestly, have a think about what principles you are arguing for here - it's not a good look.

The rule of law and our justice system is crucial to the wellbeing of the nation.

I have no doubt that some legislation & processes would benefit from amendments/revisions. We rely upon our government to do that.

However until laws are changed then we must follow the laws & procedures as agreed in Parliament. Otherwise we are running a two tier system.

It's odd isn't it?

You hear from certain quarters qabout how things are dreadful in Wales with a Labour government. Mostly from people not in Wales.

But then they vote Labour again, and it's the Tories that lose seats.

It's almost as if...

I think Labour MPs hailing a bunch of murderers, rapists and other serious criminals as being similar to the Windrush victims is not a good look. Neither is claiming they only signed the anti-deportation letter because they were acting under Jeremy Corbyn's regime.

Rapists and murderers are entitled to due process just the same as the rest of us are. It's one of the basic fundamental principles of a civilised society.

I don’t think a government denying access to lawyers and circumventing due legal process is a good look, do you?

They didnt 'hail' them as Windrush victims - they wanted to avoid a similar failure to apply our own legal processes. It fundementally undermines the rule of law. I presume any further deportations will be carried out having followed the law.

Would Keir Starmer sign a similar letter today? Or last month?

Do you not value our laws and justice system? I do.

You've lost the argument so now seeking to deflect with irrelevancies.

If Keir Starmer (or anyone else for that matter) is prepared to hold the government to account to ensure compliance with due legal process - I applaud them for it. Because having people who are prepared to do that is essential to maintaining a civilised society.

We need people who are willing to challenge abuses of power and illegal actions by those in authority (the Post Office scandal is a good recent example).

I bet you agree with this headline, don't you?

(The Daily Mail was definitely showing its fascist roots there.)

There are definitely some dry knife edge Tory/Lib Dem seats where if the same people who voted for "Boris and Brexit" voted for Farage and Fuck Knows instead it could affect the result.

And Lib Dem do you think? Some Scottish seats are expected to switch to the Lib Dems aren't they?

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We need people who are willing to challenge abuses of power and illegal actions by those in authority

Labour won't be getting your vote then;

Labour Party sources say it does not want to block future deportation flights for serious criminals and this letter was signed under the previous regime.

Well I think we are rather assuming that the Home Office will stick to following the law in future.

I'm not a Labour supporter - I flit between Labour and Green, and I haven't decided how my vote will be cast yet.

However, it pisses me off to hear anybody attacked for seeking to uphold the law, hold the state to account, and protect people's right to justice.

As I've said above, I consider the idea that not everyone should have a right to due process and protection under the law to be a fascist ideology, and I would oppose that regardless of who is espousing it.

But not the foreign criminals who want to stay in our country.

Nobody wants to keep foreign criminals in the UK. However, they must be deported in full accordance with national and international law. I do not see why this is difficult for you to understand.