Labour can't win

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Unless absolutely SHEDLOADS of people who voted Conservative in 2019 vote Labour this time.

That's right, isn't it?

I just asked a question.

Yeah, I think Brexit reduced a lot of people’s tolerance for lies, slogans and having their rights and opportunities taken away.

Repeating it over and over again won’t make it happen here.

Brexit Benefits

He’s going to need a bigger Swingometer 😀

Let’s hope so. I think the Lib Dems would be much better in Opposition than the Tories.

@EdithStourton I absolutely agree with you. This is how I feel - the only way to make political class to listen to people like me is to threaten them with Reform.

Why do you ask?

I wanted to see what people thought.

Have the answers changed your view?

Where did I say that?

I’m countering claims education and globalisation mean a swing left.

So what you're saying is right wing voter are thick (or they lack morals etc). This is a tiresome insult thrown around by certain types of sneering left wing voters time and time again.

Why can't people just accept that everyone has different priorities and will vote accordingly to those priorities without stooping to insults?

I'm not a Tory voter. I've only ever voted Labour/lib/green previously but this sentiment amongst some on the left has really got out of hand over the last decade.

It is a particular type of poster with insults

It won’t stop the overall shift, not here but generally, although not having PR here is a big reason for a different outcome to other EU countries

With Labour in I can see rhetoric on both sides ramping up

Really? I can’t see that at all. I lived in one of the most affluent areas of the country with some of the best schools and moved to another fairly affluent area. Both areasx have a much higher degree holding population than average. Both the Tory and Reform support in both areas are much stronger than Labour.,

Anyone I know who has seen any of the debates and has any critical analysis skills was basically flabbergasted at Starmer’s appalling performance(s). He is not a man to lead the country., To paraphrase Jane from London on Nicky Campbell’s radio show, every time Starmer opens his mouth all we get is a complete load of twaddle. He’s going to be an embarrassment on the world stage.

Plus in a civilised society everyone has a right to have their case heard in court and be properly represented.

All this talk of young people voting Reform in droves is

a) inaccurate and not reflected in any polling data whatsoever which suggests the heftiest Reform vote comes from older voters
b) not based on my insights as a teacher where the vast majority of sixth form students say they support Green, Labour or LibDem in that order (one said SNP to me and was disappointed to discover he couldn't vote for them).
c) Ignoring the major factor that the young tend not to vote in nearly as large numbers as the over 60s

Sure, there are young people (mainly male) who say they will vote Reform. They tend to be GFs who want an argument and enjoy Andrew Tate style controversy. Very few of those will actually make it to a polling station. Reform are a minor party - it's not like Trump who has the weight, authority and tradition of a major US political machine behind him. The media are amplifying this ,too which raises Reform's profile.

All the disaffection spoken of amongst the young is there - but this is also reflected in their desires to vote Green as much as it is those who say they are Reform supporters.

Whereas Sunak has worked wonders on the world stage?

I don’t think either are brilliant options but my critical thinking skills tell me that we need change quickly and so the Labour Party under Starmer is the best option available.

Did you see Starmer at D Day commemorations (I mean obviously you didn't see Sunak...). He was mingling with perfect ease with major world leaders.

Sunak is an embarrassment on the world stage.

Does a Tory majority of 12,000 count as small, in the Shire town in which I reside the incumbent Tory MP isn'y bothering to campaign they are so certain they have lost. #dklemon

Starmer an embarrassment on the world stage??
If anything I think he plays things down so as not to be accused of being slick and using spin in the manner of Tony Blair.

And you’re wrong because the UK’s an outlier because the right has destroyed young people’s lives here. You’ve even been supplied with a link to research that proves you’re wrong.

France is not less educated or with lower globalisation than when it voted Macron in

We’ll see how it goes in the next few weeks

And the other EU countries shifting right

They will win because of the Conservatives' abysmal record. The split in the vote will help, but Labour are so well ahead in the polls that they win even if Reform didn't exist.

Starmer and Reeves are the only politicians who currently have a net positive rating. Sunak's net rating is as low as Corbyn and Truss now.