Labour can't win

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Unless absolutely SHEDLOADS of people who voted Conservative in 2019 vote Labour this time.

That's right, isn't it?

Poppycock! 😁

For me it isn’t so much the Labour win (although it is) it’s about wanting a corrupt bunch of cunts to be punished. How can people who are still going to vote Tory sweep the covid PPE scandal and Partygate under the carpet? The “advisor” who drove during covid to “test his eyes”. Come on. Why bend over for another shafting. They. Do. Not. Give. A. Shit. About. You.

Helping terrorists apparently;

Sir Keir Starmer acted on behalf of an extremist Islamist group seeking to overturn a ban imposed on its activities in Germany,
The Labour Leader led a team of lawyers claiming that Berlin’s prohibition of Hizb ut-Tahrir breached the group’s rights to freedom of religion and expression.
The KC submitted an application to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in June 2008, a year after the Conservatives first began demanding that the Labour government ban the group.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/16/keir-starmer-represented-extremist-islamist-group/

Kinai I understand your fear but I think you need to stop catastrophising...that isn't a word but, please.

Taxi rank. As you very well know.

Labour will win. Although their poll ratings are the same as 2 years ago. They are the beneficiaries of the SNP imploding so the tories are the net losers of reform and rises in lib dems.

But running the country is hard and everyone messes it up. That's why things go in cycles. If Labour had been in power 14 years we'd all be saying we need a change and the tories would win.

The Blair years coincided with a boom period so it felt better but it wasn't. Brown raiding private pensions, bribing poorer voters by pouring money into a benefits culture, illegal wars

Give it 10 years it will be labour out

All preferable to the a road to Gilead being paved by the Starmers apparently good intentions

BIossomtoes
Taxi rank. As you very well know

I know that senior barristers get to pick and choose their cases.

How? I am almost £400 a month worse off since the cost of living crisis, I no longer go on holiday, I ration my heating in the winter, there are quite a lot of food items I can no longer afford and I consider myself fortunate compared to many. I see real suffering and poverty around me, there are 3 food banks in my area, the local church used to do a free lunch for around 50 people once a week, they are now seeing up to 140 people trying to access this service. A friend of mine who teaches reception infants has told me about how they feed and clothe children and the school has acquired a washing machine and a dryer to help with cleaning uniforms, if your washer packs in when you are on the breadline you can't afford to get a new one. When I go to town, the city centre looks shabby and depressing with boarded-up shops, beggars and rough sleeps hunkering down in the doorways of empty buildings. There is rubbish everywhere, it really is dystopian. Mental health care is collapsing, many CAMHS have closed their waiting lists and those that haven't now only see young people when they are in crisis. People wait many hours for an ambulance, there are over 7 million on NHS waiting lists, people are pulling their own teeth out and even if they can find a dentist, many struggle to pay the costs. Our water ways are polluted and there is a real possibility that bills will have to increase by 50% so that they can be cleaned up. Needless to say the CEOs are still on multi-million pound salaries and the share holders are getting their bonuses. Then there is the housing crisis but hey, "lefties" will make it all worse!

I am also intrigued by how you might define "lefty" and interested to hear what you think they have in store that is could make things worse.

I don’t think they do. That’s exactly why it’s called the taxi rank.

The cab rank rule means barristers cannot refuse a case, as long as they are available and fairly renumerated

I thought it was pretty much certain

Haven't rtft maybe the op is a reverse

Cab Rank Rule

“Are you a terrorist in need of legal advice? Better call Keir.”

With respect, I don't agree with you.

There are loads of conservative and reform signs in my local area (West Yorkshire village) I've hardly seen and Labour signs. That's concerning as I always assumed this was a left leaning area. I'm not assuming anything but I pray Labour win.

Yes, I agree with all this.

Same, I don’t think it matches Wales demographic which will likely always have a Labour gov

It doesn’t matter whether you do or not.

Demographics have changed.

Beneath you Clav. You’re better than that.

Your take is also not consistent with many other countries shifting right

How many times must we tell you that telling a lie doesn't make it true?

Starmer wasn't acting as a lawyer here - he opposed the deportation of a rapist as a politician;

Fabian Henry, 40, was imprisoned for attacking a 17-year-old girl twice and for abducting and having sex with a 15-year-old. He was supposed to be deported to Jamaica along with 41 other people but their removal was opposed by Starmer and other politicians.

They endorsed a letter a few days before the flight was scheduled to take off and demanded the cancellation of “all further deportations

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/keir-starmer-opposed-expulsion-of-rapist-fabian-henry-7ccts05zk

If you really think this then stick £100 on at the bookies for Labour not winning. You'll make a nice amount back.

This alone tells you it's inconceivable Labour won't win.

We can argue all we like but bookmakers stand to win or list many millions on the basis of this so they've done their research and the results are pretty clear. There is no way on earth it will be anything other than a Labour whitewash. There are lots of interesting questions about how big a whitewash and who will be the formal opposition, but Labour's victory is not in question and hasn't been for some time

I agree, there is a major issue with immigration- I have recently moved from an area where there is both a major immigration influx from Asia and also a mass movement into the area of first/second and third generation from India and Pakistan.

There is no attempt to integrate, services like schools snd healthcare is overwhelmed, crime has massively increased, yet nothing is put back into the local area. They don’t shop in local shops, eat in local restaurants, don’t use local pubs..pE lessons during Ramadan heavily dialled back, don’t attend community events. It destroyed what was once a really strong thriving community. We basically felt pushed out. We have deliberately moved to an area with very little immigration and it’s like going back 20 years in a really good way.

I used to be very supportive of multiculturalism until I had to live in it, then I realised how damaging it could be. People are fed up with having British culture rubbished, British history treated lLike some dirty secret.

British people are generally very tolerant, yet that has been taken advantage of. We are also a nation of people who will only take so much.

All these years of wintervale were always eventually going to take their toll.

Labour said that Starmer was not involved with processes that let these men stay in the UK, adding: “The idea that a letter from MPs questioning process led to dangerous criminals going on to commit crime is as weak as this government’s running of the Home Office.”