Labour can't win

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Unless absolutely SHEDLOADS of people who voted Conservative in 2019 vote Labour this time.

That's right, isn't it?

I have seen this at work and social circle. Mainly young people who have grown up with well informed, quite left wing parents. I don't know if it is a form of later than usual teenage rebellion, a general sense of unhappiness at the world they've inherited, or an opportunity to 'stick' it to someone/something.

But it is very concerning. I believe our youth may be tipping further to the right and as an immigrant it genuinely scares me.

Why? What will that achieve for our country?

I don't agree.
I think the electorate are keen to give Starmer a chance.

We've had a series of utterly frightful PMs.

Not rude at all, it would certainly reduce the Reform votes.

I agree but I actually don’t think they realise this will weaken their hold ..
theuve stuffed it now with the vile word that was used against Rishi so they can’t make a pact and keep Stalin out and Elton is backing Labour so .. he will win it for them .. how weak is Labour that they have to get a superstar to lean on 🤷🏻‍♀️

Why 2028?

Do you mean when loads of people got repossessed on the 1990s because mortgage interest rates went up to 15%?

People were getting the properties repossessed due to 110 % & 100% mortgages by the banks - so when the prices crashed in 1989 and house prices dropped by 15%/20% the interest rates went to 15% people had to sell their homes as they couldn't afford the mortgages - but their homes were worth less than there mortgage.

We brought a house in 1990 that had first been marketed for 15% more than it was marketed when we looked at the property and we negotiated a price 4% lower than then then marketed price.

1980's Maggie Thatcher - generally considered to be a Tory { torie }
1990's John Major - also generally considered to be a Conservative.

What are you smoking / drinking?

All those people with negative equity problems were to a small extent saved by Blair.

Re the 2008 crisis, was Sunak or Brown more influential?

No it isn’t.

Its swapped round. The Conservatives were the party of business and the establishment. But now they aren’t. They are the party of the working class. And Labour has stepped into their shoes.

Plus the higher level of education, the more likely someone is going to be left wing. And more people have degrees.

Plus people are used to globalism and apart from a few right wing nut jobs don’t really care that much about immigration.

So the core Tory voter is disappearing. Mainly dying off and won’t be replaced.

That would be absolutely awful.

We must learn from previous coalitions and accept that the only way to get rid of the corrupt Tories is to vote Labour in.

We have suffered enough surely!

how weak is Labour that they have to get a superstar to lean on

They don’t. That’s the beauty of one of the world’s wealthiest men backing them.

Fair enough. I have no idea what any of the parties are standing for and all I hear to “get the tories out” (which I don’t disagree with) rather than get Labour in. It’s just my opinion. I live in a Labour area where they could quite literally burn everyone’s house down, kill the youngest child in every family and they’d still get in so it doesn’t matter anyway.

Isn't it odd that some of the anti Labour posts on this thread get certain detail wrong? Polling history. Dates of elections. Dates of who was in power when. Length of a Parliamentary term ,(five years in UK not four).

Most puzzling.

And he will be the next dreadful PM.

🤣

Re the 2008 crisis, was Sunak or Brown more influential?

sunak made his millions betting on the crisis in 2008 - so whilst everyone else suffered he made millions on the back of it.

It's a bit ironic that the Tory government's ineptitude in the early days of the Covid pandemic actually led to the decease of some of its core vote.

It's this attitude, that Reform voters must be imbeciles, that helps to drive people into the arms of Populist parties. If you sneer at people and ignore their concerns, they'll eventually tell you to fuck off and find another option.

Look at the constituency where Farage is standing.

And for the avoidance of doubt I am NOT voting Reform and can't imagine a situation in which I ever would. But I can see why there is a massive rift between a whole tranche of voters and the mainstream political class.

It’s also notable how incredibly tetchy they’re getting. The next week is going to be fun.