Labour can't win

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Unless absolutely SHEDLOADS of people who voted Conservative in 2019 vote Labour this time.

That's right, isn't it?

Like a megapint

Middle Eastern. Domestic is as boring as shit. I was a year out. Shoot me!

I wasn't talking about the population dying off, I was talking about Conservative voters dying off. The population will be replaced, obviously, but the Conservative voters do not appear to be being replaced. Conservative support is strongest in the over 75s. It's not nearly as strong in the under 64s.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-tory-vote-conservative-brexit-b2568658.html

I find it really hard to believe that as older voters die the UK is going to turn into a Labour/socialist utopia.

I could be wrong but I suspect it's just wishful thinking.

You are wilfully ignoring the fact that Labour LIED by creating a DODGY DOSSIER of LIES to take the country to war. The Tories did NOT do that LABOUR did.
Why you continue to defend the telling of lies to justify going to war is beyond me. I have never and will never vote for these Labour warmongers again as a result. That's just my moral compasss, you, for some reason seem happy with a party LIEING to go to an ILLEGAL WAR KILLING hundreds of thousands. Unbelievable ethics in my opinion.

Agree. I don't see how the Tories would have got in after Brown if this was true.

My point is ONLY ONE of those two parties created the DODGY DOSSIER upon which parliament voted based on the lies contained therein. I will NOT vote for such liars again... once fooled, they will not fool me again.

I am glad you were against it at the time, it has caused untold issues for the ME and the West ever since.

Howard’s view wasn’t based on the “dodgy dossier”. You didn’t even click on the link, did you?

Michael Howard was put on the defensive over Iraq today after saying he would have gone to war even if Saddam Hussein had no weapons arsenal.

The Conservative leader came under fire when he said "regime change" should have been the main reason to oust the dictator, rather than alleged weapons of mass destruction.

So why are you on a thread about "boring as shit" domestic politics and talking rubbish?

Oh, mate 🤭

Parliament voted based on the information contained in Labour's dodgy dossier of lies. Parliament was misinformed by LIES. I won't vote for liars that killed hundreds of thousands. But so many Labour voters happily gloss over these hundreds of thousands of deaths. I won't. I won't vote for them again. There are other parties with better scruples out there.

I don't think anyone's suggesting that the UK will turn into a Labour/socialist utopia. Just that as the electorate ages it no longer seems to be voting Conservative at the same rate it once was.

Ahhh but the Tories brought in the Corn Laws in 1815!

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Doesnt bother me, as a doctor working in the nhs, with a wife who's a gp, and with kids I won't have anything for them to inherit anyway.

One politician CANNOT take the country to war on his own. It takes a parliamentary vote to do that. Labour knew they would lose such a vote so they created a dodgy dossier to scare Parliament into toeing the line that Labour wanted to go to war. I have no idea why you are suggesting this behaviour is ok because the Tories also wanted war. My issue is that Parliament would NOT have gone to war WITHOUT LAbour's dodgy dossier. I voted Labour and got an illegal war on my hands. Never again. Why can't you just agree that lieing is bad and beneath any political party and agree it is wrong instead of endlessly justifying it? I will never justify it.

@anotherside yes I get that. It was agreeing with the post that said Labour are already on borrowed time.

Labour need to reposition themselves for 2024 PDQ.

At the moment. In politics there always seems to be a lot of swings and roundabouts imo.

100% agree.

Blair/Browns 13 year tenure wasnt exactly great

It was paradise compared with the last 14 years.

I do wonder about people who think like this. How many people who were involved in that dossier do you think are still involved in the party at this point?

I find people who treat the labour party as this monolithic entity that never changes despite the fact that entirely different people are involved really odd.

Noone thinks England are going to win the Euros because they won the World Cup in 1966. Why would they, it was an entirely different group of people. Yet political parties are hounded for the crimes of their forefathers forever more.

People have tended to say it was great on this thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4774120-who-was-pm-during-the-best-of-times-for-you

My issue is that Parliament would NOT have gone to war WITHOUT LAbour's dodgy dossier.

But it would. Howard said he’d have done it for regime change.

They are going to win, absolutely hands down. I’d say by a landslide. We are certainly preparing at work for new government (civil service)

You can’t call Mumsnet Londoners leaches. London is mainly Labour as shown by the mayoral elections.
Some of the poorest people in the UK live in London. The richest are noticeable but few in number.

It doesn't though, does it. One person v the broader well documented trend.