To ask what which to vote for out of these three?

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You can't really trust anyone of them to do what they say but......

Out of green, Reform and Liberal who should I vote for and Why?

Deffo don't want to vote labour or conservative, so please only sell the others to me! 😜

The this bit was supposed to be quoted. My fail. Agreed with the bit about Green and not the rest. 🙄

Because Labour have historically had a problem with antisemitism in the past that is utterly shameful. Starmer has done a lot to purge antisemitism from Labour. That includes dropping antisemitic candidates from the party.

Farage meanwhile can't purge racism from Reform because it's baked into the party - sorry, the company. Farage has built his whole career on racism.

I knew you'd say that. Do you not see the double standard?
Your logic is that Reform dropping candidates is evidence of their racism, whereas with blessed Labour it's evidence that they're not antisemitic.

Well, Labour changed their leader to one committed to addressing antisemitism. The party has changed. It hasn't been an issue during this election campaign - not like the numerous Reform candidates being exposed for racism right up to now.

If Reform want to get rid of Farage and properly vet all its candidates before they stand - because who knows how many more of them are harbouring racist views? - then commit itself to an antiracist stance, that's great. Then we can compare them to Labour and antisemitism. Because proportionally, there are so many more racist Reform candidates than there were ever antisemitic Labour candidates - and Reform are denying and minimising rather than facing up to it.

Yes, they have been forced to drop some of the worst but at the same time Farage is insisting that these racist sentiments are how ordinary people talk and think. Starmer isn't telling us that about antisemitism. And with the number of candidates just this week that Reform have had to drop, it's very worrying to wonder how many more there are.

Really, he's done a lot? Really? skwawkbox.org/2021/11/19/a-party-for-all-jews-labour-expels-jewish-cllr-jo-bird/

I have seen precious little actual racism from anybody standing for Reform, and I severely doubt that you have either.

You really need to find a new way of engaging with things, as simply throwing buzzwords at stuff won't get you very far.

Genuine question: do you think that the mid-century painter could have been stopped if only you were there to say 'bUt He'S a RaCiSt'? If not, why do you think that might be?

Oakenfell, Lomas and Lilley - three candidates standing for Reform who were dropped this week for racism. Does that qualify as 'precious little'?

Also Raymond Saint exposed as former BNP member - is it a buzzword to describe the BNP as racist?

Not sure I get your final question - are you saying it's pointless to identify racism? Do you think it's better to stay silent?

Thank you @Roaringlions
I tried vote for policies website today, it’s very interesting.
I would recommend to do all 16 issues as it gives much more balanced picture.

They're not standing for Reform anymore. That's the point.

What I'm getting at with my final question is that "identifying racism" is all well and good but it isn't useful unless:

1. The racism is in the room with us.
2. You have more to criticise than simply the racism.

Take me for example - I'll be voting for Reform, and yet I don't hate browns, women, or gays.
I wouldn't be voting for them if I thought they would willingly harm those groups, especially since I'm in one of them; so calling them racist isn't going to do much to change my mind.

What's the deal with the Nazi song Nigel Farage was playing or something?

How do people even know Nazi songs?

Another candidate also isn't standing for them anymore; Liam Booth-Isherwood who just withdrew from the election because he's so horrified by the widespread racism within Reform and the fact that Farage has done nothing to address it. It's ridiculous to pretend Reform aren't a racist party - and the misogyny as well with candidates saying women are spongers, Farage opposing maternity pay, the love of Andrew Tate. Then there was their activist who was caught on camera calling gay people nonces. Voting for Reform is absolutely a vote to harm people of colour, women and gay people. They're not even hiding it.

Tell me that all you read is headlines without saying that all you read is headlines.

A drop of nuanced thought was obviously far too much to ask for. Oh well.

No, I've read plenty of articles about the racism in Reform; there's really no shortage of them!

Reform- lower taxes, growth, less crime, no men in women's spaces will be considered by Labour if you vote for Reform. That's the only way to send the message.

You think voting Reform sends a message about women's right? Really?

To be fair there's a bed safe In getting about women's right from Reform.

It's just not a good one.

Is the guy who said women were the sponging gender and shouldn't be eligible for healthcare still standing?

www.spectator.co.uk/article/full-list-every-controversial-reform-candidate/

And Farage endorsing Andrew Tate and chasing the misogyny vote all over TikTok

Is Andrew state the sex trafficker who got caught because of a pizza box abd looks like Pob?

Reform and their message about women again:

People have already pointed out that Reform’s message on women is abhorrent. However, even if you agree with it this is nonsense. The government for the last 14 years has failed to take account of even the official opposition’s views. They don’t have to with a majority. You think any government will listen to a handful of fringe MPs?

"I am in no doubt that the party and its senior leadership are not racist. However, as the vast majority of candidates are indeed racist, misogynistic, and bigoted, I do not wish to be directly associated with people who hold such views that are so vastly opposing to my own and what I stand for.
“I also have been significantly frustrated and dismayed by the failure of the Reform Party’s leadership to tackle this issue in any meaningful way, and their attempts to instead try to brush it under the carpet or cry foul play.
“As such, I have now suspended my campaign with Reform, and I am endorsing the Conservative Party – I would encourage all of my fellow patriots to do the same.”

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c7204p2r0dkt?post=asset%3A621040da-6fd6-4d7f-9213-77e0c5cdce14#post

@cardibach all of the parties messages on women are abhorrent. You do you and I do me. Let's democracy decide

Er, all of them?