REFORM Party Questions.....

[Modernfamily2011]

Genuine question here, I do not want to start arguments but i'm honestly curious as to the hate for the Reform party....... I will be the first to admit that politics is absolutely not my strong point but this Election and for the last few months I have been doing a lot of research

I will not be voting Conservatives but Labour don't fill me with any confidence either, the Reform party Manifesto actually looks good, I would love the minimum income tax rate to be raised, Stamp Duty threshold to be higher, NHS change, energy bills to be lower etc

Am I just a little naïve and is this just a case of Farage talking nonsense? A bit like the Brexit debacle? Surely if these policies could have been implemented then they would have and where would the money come from? Farage is an excellent speaker and he knows how to play the public, there is no doubt about that

I would love some insight from those who know a little more about politics than me!

Let's give Thatcher some credit, she wouldn't have implemented them because she would have known how damaging they would be to the country she loved.

*scrapping subsidies for renewable energy putting as more at the mercy of foreign energy suppliers aka Putin, never mind the impact fossil fuels have on the environment

*taking us out of the European Convention on Human Rights which upholds the right not to be slaves, not to be tortured etc. this is to help "stop the boats" (but maybe read the article about Greece's coastguards this morning who tied up immigrants hands before pushing them off a boat - maybe that's Nigel's plan too)

• scrapping the equality act and the rules surrounding diversity, inclusion and equality

You can lower my tax all you like but I would not be proud to call myself British if they were voted in. I'd rather have my conscience

What worries me is that there are people that are actually going to vote for them. They are utterly inhumane poison and anyone who is seriously going to vote for them should stop and really have a good look at who and what they are voting for.

Its all very well lowering my tax bill, but any of us are just one accident away from not being able to work, and therefore reliant on the welfare state.

I agree. I was not a Thatcher supporter and I disagreed with her politics but I can't question her honesty , her work ethic and her desire to do what she thought was right for the country. Farage wants to line his own pockets and doesn't care a jot for the people who support him.

At least with Thatcher one could understand where she was coming from, even if one did not agree with her, and she was certainly willing, in fact she relished having a reasoned debate.

All Reform offer is hate.

I'm never sure whether to marvel at the genius level of spin or dispare at the public's apparent lack of ability join the dots on this one tbh.

We all seem to accept global events we had no control over caused gas prices to spike.

We all seem to accept that out reliance on gas for energy generation was a key reason the UK was so badly effected.

Yet when you ask what the solution is to help prevent something similar happening again a worryingly large chunk of the public seem to think blaming 'the green agenda' and making ourselves even more dependent on gas is a logical thing to do.

Farage’s politics are like Corbyn’s politics were. Neither were ever going to be elected, so could promise what they liked.🤷‍♀️

Ignoring of course that now wind and other renewable energy is cheaper than gas anyway.

Of course one needs either storage or some back up for when the wind doesn't blow/sun doesn't shine.

@Notreat

Lost faith in the conservatives. I actually believe Nigel Farage would be great as an opposition leader.
There are a great many people who will vote Reform but are unlikely to say so on MN due to being called racist blah blah so most keep their voting intentions away from this board.
I'm looking forward to election night as I think it will be interesting to see how popular they really are amongst the electorate. Either way we will be doing what Starmer tells us for the next 5 years and it will be great to have a feisty opposition, unlike the Tories who have become a wet weekend in my opinion.

All I want as an ordinary person in Britain is a political party that is decent and honest and genuinely cares about the people in the country. I want to see a government that treats people with compassion and kindness and looks after those that are poor or disabled and vulnerable and know that the sick and elderly are treated with dignity and respect. I want a government that actively tries to make life better for everyone and ensures that everyone has a place they can call home and enough to feed themselves and their children. I want to know that British people can be proud to live in a country that has decency and compassion at its heart.

I have never understood why racists, like the owners of Reform Ltd, don't like being called racists. Can anyone explain?

I'm really keen to understand why you think he'd make a good Opposition leader? Which of the policy platforms he's proposing you'd want to see pushed from the Opposition benches?

I am asking entirely genuinely - partly because I want to understand what qualities others think makes a good leader of the opposition, and partly because I do genuinely want to try to see others' points of view and what sits beneath them.

Reform are a party of racists - not welcome and should be banned

Did you watch the sky explainwr on how much would need to be borrowed with Nigels plan? Says it could end up damaging the economy like Iiz Truss.

What have they said that's racist?

It's certainly the most problematic election in my lifetime and at a critical point in the future of the country.

None of the main parties are offering anything that is going to change our direction of travel, they share many of the same donors, swap MPs between each other and share the same neoliberal economics to varying degrees.

I'll be glad to see the back of the Tories for a bit, but I worry a Labour government that fails to deliver meaningful change will be the end of progressive politics in this country for generations.

But you vote for who you like, it won't make a difference.

@Thingscanonlygetsunk
Am I a racist?

And this above is exactly why you won't have decent debate on here.

I agree with you. People are scared to say they support him for some reason. I'm voting for him. We've tried the rest, they don't work. I'm really scared of a Labour/Lib Dem coalition. That would be absolutely horrendous for women's rights and childrens' safety as well as everything else.

Have you tried engaging with those of us who are trying to discuss in good faith on the basis of the issues?

I’m a nurse and one of my colleagues is a vocal Reform supporter/Brexiteer. We’ve bantered good-naturedly in the past but I can’t be bothered arguing with him now. He’s convinced all will be fine once we stop immigration. Frightening thing is that other colleagues are starting to echo what he says.
I do kind of get his point as we live in an economically deprived northern town where the cost of living is low and this has attracted an increasing number of migrants from some incredibly poor war torn countries, with poor English and few skills. The demographic of our town has changed massively over the last few years placing big demands on housing stock, school places etc. Our council was already struggling to cope before this with austerity. We also had a Labour council which was extremely complacent so the LP itself isn't particularly trusted.
I really don’t know what the answer is/was but I am worried we’ll end up with a hopeless reform MP.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/03/reform-uk-drops-two-more-election-candidates-over-racist-comments

They are a party of extreme far right views. People like Tommy Robinson are associated with them.

Nigel Farage has very openly said that he doesn’t believe in maternity pay. He’s a misogynistic prick.

@marciaa As well as what else ?