REFORM Party Questions.....

[Modernfamily2011]

Genuine question here, I do not want to start arguments but i'm honestly curious as to the hate for the Reform party....... I will be the first to admit that politics is absolutely not my strong point but this Election and for the last few months I have been doing a lot of research

I will not be voting Conservatives but Labour don't fill me with any confidence either, the Reform party Manifesto actually looks good, I would love the minimum income tax rate to be raised, Stamp Duty threshold to be higher, NHS change, energy bills to be lower etc

Am I just a little naïve and is this just a case of Farage talking nonsense? A bit like the Brexit debacle? Surely if these policies could have been implemented then they would have and where would the money come from? Farage is an excellent speaker and he knows how to play the public, there is no doubt about that

I would love some insight from those who know a little more about politics than me!

Just a usual reminder that reform aren't a political party, but a limited company.

As you were.

Are you not curious where all this largesse is coming from and where there are 93 billion of cuts to be made in services?? Don't you think think the Tory's would have been giving away far more in their last budget if there was money to do so? It's a 'contract' written on the back of a fag packet playing fantasy politics- because he knows the 'non political ' will look and think that sounds good and not question it. Also his team, no disrespect (and I'm 62) but it's a bunch of mainly elderly people and utter weirdos- they keep having to step down candidates due to links with the BNP and national front - and he has a very long history of dubious links with Russia. He isn't 'a man of the people' he's a very well off conman who knows the right bells to pull to make people think 'sounds sensible' - Hitler did the same. Clearly many people haven't had businesses or come near the Nigel's of the world- they are supreme bullshitters.

Can I just say by the way- I don't actually disagree with a few of the policies- but you have to look at the overall picture -and the team -same applies for me with the Greens-

Farage would be terrible on international affairs too- and that's a big part of the job

Have you read any of the manifestos? There is quite a lot in both the Labour and Conservative manifestos that don't get an airing through the media.

On why they're not "dealing with" things like energy bills or COL - I suspect you actually mean why don't they have an eye catching "fix" akin to the (undeliverable and mendacious) Reform promise. In reality, it's because things like energy aren't simple, and there are no quick fixes that are affordable. Changing the fundamentals is a complicated process that requires a lot of different and quite unsexy-to-the-media levers. I have a lot more respect for both the Tories and Labour for not giving into the temptation to deliver allegedly simple, crowd-pleasing pointless fixes to win votes and hiding the scale of the challenge.

Realistically, energy bills aren't likely to go much lower than they are now for quite because of the cost of gas and because of how marginal pricing works. Yes, the same gas that Farage is saying would make your bills cheaper is usually the most expensive generating technology in any given period.

I'm quite keen that people do look beyond immigration when it comes to Reform because immigration is a debate that tends to be painted in broad strokes that consist of platitudes and promises. When you pull back the curtain on other policies you see just how shallow and dishonest the Reform platform is.

I'm reminded of when my son's y5 class voted for a class president who promised them all ice cream every lunch.
Spoiler alert!
It wasn't costed, wasn't funded and it didn't happen.

Op it matters not. Labour are going to win. It's always a two party race.

Tick Reform/ Reclaim if you want to send a message that you don't want Labour. Tick Conservative if you think it will help the size of defeat. Tick Labour if you want the Conservatives to be the opposition for a change.

@JassyRadlett I hate the Tory's but agree with you-.i have a huge issue with people taken in by Farage and his limited company and band of disillusioned nutters - promising people the moon on a stick isn't going to end well-don't forget this was the twerp saying Brexit would make everything cheaper and fooling people into thinking that it would totally stop immigration- nope- because it caused gaps in workforce in essential services- you just ended up with 3rd world immigration rather than EU immigration which worked both ways-there are a few policies I don't disagree with but the same is true for me with the greens too -

The Reform manifesto seems to tell us that we won’t have to pay any tax, and in return we won’t have any public services. So essentially their plan is to turn us into a third world country.

Maybe it’s to disincentivise foreign people from coming here? A giant act of cutting off your nose to spite your face. I don’t know, the IFS took about 3 1/2 minutes to declare it a load of bollocks anyway.

Where can I find out what constituencies they’re standing in?

Don't do this. The only message you are sending by ticking reform/reclaim is yoy want very right wing policies.
If you want to send a message you don't want Labour, vote anyone not Labour. There are a heap of independent candidates and smaller parties, there's the lib dems and greens. There's absolutely no need to vote Reform or Reclaim unless you are sure you want what they are proposing.

I was just about to say the same. Vile name-calling and insults are the name of the game here. You will not get a sensible reply and end up being called a racists or worse.
I am not a Reform fan but I despair of the inability of some to even attempt reasonable debate.

Reform are poison. They are like a more sinister further right version of the Tories. Their "contract" makes clear they would make massive cuts to public services, they would heap abuse and cruelty on anyone poor or disabled or vulnerable. If we think the Tories are pure evil then Reform are like their nastier and more sadistic relative.

I almost* want them to win an outright majority to expose once and for all how utterly deluded and incompetent he is. He's a snake oil salesman. He can say any old bullshit because he won't ever have to deliver it. How he has remained in the public eye for 30 years is beyond any rational comprehension.

• not really

Noone has said anything like that

He'd shriek and run away - leaving it to Tice.
That's the joy of the company structure. No guarantee at all you'll get what you vote for.

It's curious. When people do try to debate the substance it's ignored in favour of claims about the inability of some to even attempt reasonable debate.

Is there a reason that you're not encouraging the behaviour you say you want to see by engaging in a discussion on Reform policies?

Reform have my vote.

Also it's a truism that whilst not everyone who votes Reform is a frothing racist all frothing racists vote Reform. Who would want to join them (and their until today prospective MP who used to support the BNP)?

Did you benefit from Liz Truss' mini budget?

Farage's contract will cost about twice that of Truss' budget.

Some of that which is funded is a massive raid on the incomes of commercial banks in the UK.

How do you think that will go?

Hear one of their spokesmen on LBC this afternoon saying that multiculturalism doesn't work in the UK so they'd be actively promoting a monocultural society...

Yes it is Farage talking absolute nonsense. Look at the independent economic analysis from the IFS his numbers do not add up. We would be in a much worse state than we were with Liz Truss.
https://ifs.org.uk/articles/reform-uk-manifesto-reaction

@TeaMistress absolutely. They are the ERGs wet dream hence Rees Mogg showing support for Farage. Disaster capitalism at its worst.
The irony also being that the areas worst hit by an ideology like this will be the ones happy to vote for them as a protest vote. They won’t read the manifesto. They’ll see 30p Lee and think ‘well if he supports them’.
Ex labour red wall voters voting for policies that even Thatcher wouldn’t have dared to implement.

But of course they are not racist.

Could you explain why.