REFORM Party Questions.....

[Modernfamily2011]

Genuine question here, I do not want to start arguments but i'm honestly curious as to the hate for the Reform party....... I will be the first to admit that politics is absolutely not my strong point but this Election and for the last few months I have been doing a lot of research

I will not be voting Conservatives but Labour don't fill me with any confidence either, the Reform party Manifesto actually looks good, I would love the minimum income tax rate to be raised, Stamp Duty threshold to be higher, NHS change, energy bills to be lower etc

Am I just a little naïve and is this just a case of Farage talking nonsense? A bit like the Brexit debacle? Surely if these policies could have been implemented then they would have and where would the money come from? Farage is an excellent speaker and he knows how to play the public, there is no doubt about that

I would love some insight from those who know a little more about politics than me!

Brexit all down to the Tories particularly Cameron I can't bear to see his fat face everywhere typical of them to bring him back as a Lord, they are clueless!

Reform UK are likely to be a bad choice if women's rights are important to you.
Their aim to remove EU legislation will impact on maternity rights.

Nigel Farage famously said that his opinions of women are formed because he got so many of them pregnant. A good number of the people who were standing for Reform UK have had to stand down because of their anti-woman comments.

I don't think he did say that. Again we had maternity pay before the EU which we only joined in 92.

@Modernfamily2011 when reform offer you these amazing thjngs, raise the level at which you pay tax, abolish stamp duty for first time byers, who do you think will pay for that? Not Farrage and his gang. It will be you. The government can only "buy"for example a NHS free at the point of need, public schools, fixing potholes in roads, paying for social care so people who need help receive it by raising money via taxes, in all their forms.

Don't look at what the "retail" offer is - what they want to sell you. Also look at the price of the offer, a price directly to you or to those you care about.

Sigh. It just feels like 2016 all over again.

Those thick, racist people (fascist, lack of critical thinking etc etc) don't know what they're voting for. Those poor stupid people don't even realise the policies they're voting for will hurt them the most- it's so sad!

Honestly, it's the sneering superiority I just can't stand.

@Northernnature
An old interview given by Nigel Farage has resurfaced in which the Ukip leader attacks the "lunacy" of maternity leave and boasted about the number of women he had got pregnant.

Asked if women should play football, Farage replied: "Here's the bigger question. Do we think, chaps, when we're there in the front line, when the balloon goes up, with fixed bayonets, when the whistle's about to blow to go over the top, do we actually want to be there with women beside us? Do we? What an extraordinarily bizarre idea! I certainly don't think so.
He added: "But maybe it's because I've got so many women pregnant over the years that I have a different view. I find it very difficult to think that we could stand up and run over the top together, into the machine guns or whatever. Men and women are different - thank God!"
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/21/ukip-nigel-farage-women_n_5365144.html

You might not think it, but what you think doesn't change his views.

His views on maternity pay are well known.

I'm not sure that people who are gay or disabled would necessarily agree.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/equality/equality-act-2010

I'm very wary of the motives for people who want to get rid of it

@Northernnature
Here's a list of the maternity and other benefits we achieved via the EU

• Before being a member of the EU, UK women could be dismissed because of pregnancy, as it was seen as the equivalent to illness. EU law prohibited that.
• Thanks to the EU, UK employers MUST provide pregnant workers with at least 14 weeks paid maternity leave, of which 2 weeks must occur before birth.
• The EU Pregnant Workers Directive was instrumental in ensuring the health and safety at work of pregnant women and new mothers. When it was implemented in 1993, for example, it led to a right to paid time off for antenatal appointments, which was extended to many pregnant agency workers by another EU directive in 2011. UK employers must now give pregnant employees the option of parental leave and provide for paid time off for antenatal appointments during working hours.
• Employees are entitled to return to their job after maternity leave. And they can have extra time off for family reasons, accidents, or illness of children.
• And last but by no means least, prevents dismissal on the grounds of pregnancy ensures pregnant and breastfeeding workers are not obliged to perform duties that would jeopardise their safety or health.

https://www.bestforbritain.org/10womensrights

Yeah look hard at Geert. He's as unpleasant as he looks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders

They’re really going in hard against women.

All of the parties apart from Labour can write what they want in their manifestos because the chances of them having to find the money to implement them are about zero.

That’s why the Labour manifesto is pretty boring reading. They’re the only party who are likely to be held to what they promised

I have never understood the media’s obsessing with Farage. He will be standing to be an MP for the SEVENTH time. He’s never won! The greens have had an MP
for years. Think about how much airtime farage gets compared with Green Party leaders. It’s despicable.

I guess Brexit worked out really well for you, then? Loads of funding for your local NHS etc?

Thank you for explaining the benefits of Brexit and leaving the ECHR.

This chap is standing in Shapps constituency

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-uk-candidate-jack-aaron-hitler-al-assad-cndwsfjdt

Reform candidate, Jack Aaron thinks Hitler was “brilliant” and that President Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was “legitimate”.

@Lindos1 I am so sorry you feel like that. It's certainly not my intention to sneer. Please read the above exchange about loss of maternity rights we gained in the EU. I am honestly trying to have a decent conversation with posters who feel women have nothing to lose by voting for NF and Reform UK.

We don't need to fall out to talk about this.

Farage is a Nazi who despises brown people. The rest is a side show.

Look at the footage of the Greeks shoving people into the water to die. Thats his style.

Farage is a breath of stale fag smoke in a windowless room full of farts. But sure, vote in the fascists if you want.

That's inherent in the subjects. Unless you're suggesting they should teach critical theory as a foundation to support all subjects? That'd give Farage an aneurysm.

As a pp mentioned, why would anyone trust a politician who suggests we dump the most effective mechanism we have for individuals to challenge the state?

‘His housemaster at school’…. Says all you need to know about this ‘man of the people’.
he's purely out for himself & no one else…why the hell are the media giving so much publicity to a party with one unelected MP? He’s put himself as leader & im sure nobody can name any other ‘official’ of this rag bag bunch.
i was previously a supporter of PR but this election has completely changed my mind.

@Northernnature When was the EU formed?

Interesting thread!

Just as an aside though I don't understand the comments about trying to understand someone's point of view.

There are people in the middle of parties and those on the fringes and those completely out of the park for good or bad. Why is it hard to understand their pov? People come to their pov for so many reasons: how is it nesecary to try to understand that view?
It's their view and so be it!

It might be their view

But I don't like people being scammed