Nope to labour

[Mrsdeehoang]

I was considering voting for Labour, but their manifesto proposal to change the VAT on private education has made me reconsider. I'm not financially well-off, just about managing, and I took on two jobs to afford the fees for my son’s private grammar school. Despite our efforts, he couldn’t get a place in any of the five local state schools due to oversubscription, and our appeal was unsuccessful. We were instead assigned a school outside our area with a poor Ofsted report. Faced with this choice, I opted to work harder to provide him with a better education privately. The proposed VAT changes would make it even harder for families like mine to manage.

For me, Labour doesn’t seem to understand that not everyone who sends their children to private school is wealthy. I don’t like the Tories either, but I would rather vote for them than for Labour.

Of course, Trans Men don't exist at all.

Because the existence of the same issues in someone not born a man would undermine all of their attempts to associate trans women with sex offenders who are just looking for excuses to be in women's spaces.

I'm sure I read somewhere there are actually more transmen than transwomen?

Females do not pose the same risk.
Females do not possess an advantage in sport with males.
Females aren't fighting their way into spaces that they shouldn't be in (that we know of).
Males are not subject to the same level of risk from transmen (females) so don't give much of a fuck.

This is kid's level of comprehension. Come on TRA's.

Theres talk of council tax rises and tying CGT to your income tax level. Council tax is a bit worrying when people are still struggling with COL.

Transwomen are men (you have to be a man to be a transwoman, it’s not an insult it’s a fact). Women’s safety and comfort is not less important than a mans desire to cosplay womanhood. Why increase the risk women and children face to make a minority of men happy? Once you let a man into a space it’s no longer a woman’s space, it’s unisex or for sport we have mens sports and open category sports.

There you go again, associating trans women with risks to other women.

Outside of the prison system ( which have already identified has been dealt with), do you know what the rate of attacks by trans women on women are?

Or is it that you are so unlikely to meet a trans woman, never mind share a space with one for a very brief amount of time, that the actual risk is incredibly low?

This has already been answered for you.

@Chickenuggetsticks

"Women’s safety and comfort is not less important than a mans desire to cosplay womanhood. "

Its phrases like this that make it clear that this is not about saftey to women and girls.

Its also that there are far larger issues that impact the safety of women and girls, but they require actual changes to behaviour and effort to make a difference, this one requires nothing of you, and you can pretend this is your reason.

Because the other reasons haven't attracted tens of thousands of threads and millions of words, we can reason that you aren't actually that interested.

Err. No it hasn't, but never mind
Calling trans people "men in a dress" is not only pretty rude, it completely overlooks the biggest category of trans people.

I'm not a TRA and I don't believe the other two posters are either. That's a lazy smear designed to evade the reasonable points being made.

Sorry if it's been mentioned here I can't trawl through 23 pages but I've just discovered Micheal cashman.

He's had a run in with rose Duffield and he founded stonewall itself 😱 and is a large labour doner.

I'm not a TRA and I don't believe the other two posters are either

No, I'm not either.
Always gets trotted out with "man" as well.
Can't seem to comprehend that not all women are the same.

Err. No it hasn't, but never mind
Calling trans people "men in a dress" is not only pretty rude, it completely overlooks the biggest category of trans people.

Take it up the with poster who said that. As an aside, how do men show they are trans/believe they are women? Would it be appearance based on feminine stereotypes?

I'm not an academic. I learnt what "ideology" meant in the much maligned but actually pretty useful media studies GCSE. I can't help it if you thought it meant something else.

What annoys me about this whole trans debate is it gets trotted out as if its Labour, when the reality all the mainstream parties accept TW as legally women. Labour have a more female friendly position than greens or lib dems and a policy that's essentially identical to the Tories except for semantics around which law they want to reform.

Never any suggestions of who to vote for. Just endless bellyaching about Labour. It just comes across as anti-Labour posting at this point, rather than anything to do with "women's sex based rights".

You forgot to mention that Starmer has condemned him for his comments about Duffield and removed the whip. Pretty no tolerance really.

@CassieMaddox he's a lord, a doner and someone who actually started stonewall. That was my shock at finding that out.

Yes have to give some credit to Starmer for that.

@SoreAndTired1

". Most, don't even use hormones. It is purely cross-dressing. And they don't go through any anguish. In fact, they get a 'high' from getting one over women. It is an act of spite from males."

Can you say HOW you've arrived at this opinion? That most transgender women aren't transgender, they're tranvestites - and they're pretending to be trans out of hate for women?

What are your sources?

is it gets trotted out as if its Labour, when the reality all the mainstream parties accept TW as legally women
Yes, this is why I roll my eyes very hard over the warring about what party leaders have said with regards to whether or not women can have penises.

Yes, and Kier Starmer's was very measured, he basically used the legal definition.

Studies that don't stand up to basic scrutiny.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/the-suicide-myth/

Saying Labour and the Conservatives have the same policy on gender because neither is repealing the GRA is like saying the Greens and Reform have the same position on foreign policy because neither is planning to nuke France.

The conservatives ARE taking women’s rights seriously, they are legislating to protect women’s spaces etc, Labour are not and likely to reverse all of the progress. You can say what you like about the conservatives but on this issue they are far more trustworthy having listened to women and how we feel about our safety and rights.

Labour are very much in the trans camp and are not budging an inch on the issue.

Actually they are SAYING they will do something which is a whole different thing. They haven't made it happen while they've been in government. What would Penny TWAW Mordaunt do, anyway? Good chance she will be the next leader.

Really? Studies gloablly that repeatedly come up with it, and then "2 studies in the UK" and published from a site that is clearly biased.

Please.

They have already completed the legislation please try and keep up.