Nope to labour

[Mrsdeehoang]

I was considering voting for Labour, but their manifesto proposal to change the VAT on private education has made me reconsider. I'm not financially well-off, just about managing, and I took on two jobs to afford the fees for my son’s private grammar school. Despite our efforts, he couldn’t get a place in any of the five local state schools due to oversubscription, and our appeal was unsuccessful. We were instead assigned a school outside our area with a poor Ofsted report. Faced with this choice, I opted to work harder to provide him with a better education privately. The proposed VAT changes would make it even harder for families like mine to manage.

For me, Labour doesn’t seem to understand that not everyone who sends their children to private school is wealthy. I don’t like the Tories either, but I would rather vote for them than for Labour.

Men are no a minority. They are the oppressors

'I know! Lets rebrand them as trans

Oh good grief 😳😁

@Aladdinzane

You are berating women for wanting single sex changing rooms and toilets.

But you yourself think there should be single sex rape crisis centres and refuges. So you don't really believe TW are women. Many would call your position just as transphobic as the people you are arguing with here.

@Underthinker

I think along with most other reasonable people I can see the difference between changing rooms and toilets, which are mostly very private spaces anyway where you have little to no interaction with anyone you don't know and other spaces and other spaces which might demand to be entirely one gender due to the services they provide.

No one said the TRA absolutists are correct in this either, there is a need to have empathy and compromise for both sides.

I'm not berating women, I'm pointing out that the arguments that are used to justify a large amount of this stance are flawed, and when compared to other issues that impact the group you claim to be arguing for, pose them far lower risk.

I'm not berating women,
Well in the last couple of pages you've called other posters bigots transphobes and extremists so I'd say berating is accurate.

I'm pointing out that the arguments that are used to justify a large amount of this stance are flawed, and when compared to other issues that impact the group you claim to be arguing for, pose them far lower risk.
You may think they are flawed. I don't feel you've made any convincing argument at all that this is the case. I'd be interested to see what a neutral reader felt on that (Not that many people are still neutral on this issue)

"Well in the last couple of pages you've called other posters bigots transphobes and extremists so I'd say berating is accurate."

I believe I only used the term bigot to describe the extremist views expressed by a PP, I don't think accurate use of language is berating.

"I don't feel you've made any convincing argument at all that this is the case."

Actually if you read back my argument is entirely convincing, there is an underlying reason why many people have made this their hill to die on and it is not for the reasons that they claim. You know why? Because the day to day issues that impact those that they claim to advocate for are far larger, more dangerous and impact far many more lives than this one sole issue that people here have decided to generate way more threads and words on in the last half decade or more.

I believe I only used the term bigot to describe the extremist views expressed by a PP, I don't think accurate use of language is berating.

You directed this to me so what extremist views have I presented? Evidence isn't your strong point so far but copy and paste will be fine.

@Aladdinzane Even if we accepted your view that there were bigger issues facing women. It still doesn't mean it's wrong to campaign on single sex spaces. If I fundraise for guide dogs for the blind, I wouldn't expect get angry remarks from cancer research fundraisers. Different people will always prioritise different causes, we can't all agree on one single cause that is the most important and ignore everything else.

In my opinion gender ideology is the biggest threat to women that is completely avoidable by a few key politicians and decision makers stopping being massive bell-ends. It's not like underfunded health services or crime that will take hundreds of billions of pounds and decades to slowly and incrementally improve.

no "we" can't agree on that.
I swear half of the arguments i see from GC on here is they don't want men speaking FOR women. So maybe, don't?

98% of women don't have an opinion on the topic as it's not a massive issue in comparison to the ones effecting the vast majority of us. Campaigning on single sex spaces ONLY and not doing anything to improve the lives of women is ways that can actually make a huge impact, is stupid and shows it's not about wanting women to be safe. There is a reason Men are more likely to be GC after all.

@SoreAndTired1 I didn't ask for your agreement on anything.

I want to vote Labour, but KS is so weak, so much potential which he hasn't fulfilled I'm not sure I can. Plus my local Conservative candidate is really good, works hard, does loads. Wish he was independent as a candidate. I don't want to vote Conservative but I can't see that I have a choice.

what is weak about him? i’m curious

He's not weak. He's calm, steady and a little bit dull. He aims to under promise and over deliver. People who think he's weak have been taken in by the politics of personality - if people don't shout, bluster and lie, they're taken to be weak. And look where that's got us.

There you go again, "gender ideology" like its something that people have just made up.

This is why no one listens to you.

@pointythings

"he's dull" they cry.

The world is crying out for sensible politicians and then when they get one they don't like it.

exactly this.

looking at his career history he is anything BUT weak. what they mean is he doesn’t shout or make stupid jokes. i’d rather we judged people by their actions and intentions not their ‘big personality’ to determine strength.

Yes, dull would be brilliant - too many Trumps and Sunak types about, as I said, change?
Bring it ON!

i’d rather we judged people by their actions and intentions not their ‘big personality’ to determine strength

Definitely same

It is an ideology though. It's a set of interrelated ideas which form the basis of policy. That's what an ideology is.

But its not an ideology, and describing it as so has other connotations which you are well aware of.

But then you'll deny it.

Well it just is an ideology because it meets the definiton of one. It's not an insult, it's just a perfectly neutral description. There are many ideologies I agree with and many I dont.

If I had wanted to put it down I wouldn't call it an ideology, I'd call it a cult.

You do realise not all trans people are male? By talking about "a man in a dress" you are completely denying the majority of trans people, who were born female.

It's interesting how females always get overlooked.

Apologies @SoreAndTired1 I tagged you in a post at 17:36 that wasn't aimed at you.

" I'd call it a cult"

See, when people talk about ideologies outside of academic circles, this is the implication.

You knew what you were doing.

It's interesting how females always get overlooked.

Females statistically aren't as much of a risk to other females as males are. This has been pointed out to you many times, hence why no MEN should be in women's spaces.

What are you all doing about male violence towards women?

And it very much is an ideology. It's a belief system.

You do realise not all trans people are male?

Yep, trans men being a pesky inconvenience to ""GC" views again, let's pretend they don't exist and it's all about the men 🙄