Nope to labour

[Mrsdeehoang]

I was considering voting for Labour, but their manifesto proposal to change the VAT on private education has made me reconsider. I'm not financially well-off, just about managing, and I took on two jobs to afford the fees for my son’s private grammar school. Despite our efforts, he couldn’t get a place in any of the five local state schools due to oversubscription, and our appeal was unsuccessful. We were instead assigned a school outside our area with a poor Ofsted report. Faced with this choice, I opted to work harder to provide him with a better education privately. The proposed VAT changes would make it even harder for families like mine to manage.

For me, Labour doesn’t seem to understand that not everyone who sends their children to private school is wealthy. I don’t like the Tories either, but I would rather vote for them than for Labour.

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@AccidentallyWesAnderson

Lots of GCs seem to align with Trump in the states. " At least he know what a woman is" has been used many times.

Can you explain why many GCs here align with the Tories despite all of their policies that disproportionately impact the lives of women and girls?

If you weren't prioritising anti-trans activism you'd be prioritising getting the Conservatives out, and contributing to Labour having a big enough majority to start to address the damage 14 years of Conservative policy has inflicted on the lives of all of us

izimbra you do know that people have different political opinions from you, right?

Women do have the right to sex based spaces without the presence of men, but in some cases for the sake of ease trans women are allowed to use the same bathrooms/ changing rooms. Due to the fact that transwomen make an extremely low percentage of the population, then it is unlikely that 99% of women will ever have to do this.

For the 'sake of ease' they don't. They have no right.

Language is not being erased, in almost every case of language being changed it is not applied across the board nor is it mandatory. It does however attract a lot of attention.

It is. Pregnant people. Chest feeders. Cis 🤮

Women can ask for same sex care, and do so all the time without being labelled a bigot.

They are. See the tribunal between Roz Adams Vs the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre.

use it, your arguments have been demolished here.

By who, you?! No they haven't. All you've said is ALL women don't care, they care about the NHS, you don't care about women and mentioned prisons. Over and over. You don't seem that clued up on the issues, and from the TRA textbook, anything that you don't like or can't win on you shout bigotry. It's boring. I've nothing against trans people.

Wear what you like, call yourself what you like, you don't get to go into spaces, sports and all the other things I've mentioned over and over because of a belief system. And I don't have to believe in something that isn't true either, if I don't want to.

Time after time after time you are told that most women concerned about the erosion of their rights by entitled and often fetishistic men are Left wing feminists. Politically homeless ones now.

@ActivePeony

I often think this is a bad faith argument, most people will realise that this issue is relatively minor compared to the huge ones facing millions of women and girls.

"y entitled and often fetishistic men "

There it is again, that bigotry that undermines all of your points.

It does rather make it look that it's not about saftey or rights.

And? What has that got to do with anything? I'm sure there are racist right wing people who believe that you can't change sex. I mean it is a universally known fact (well for the majority 🤗). Not sure why bringing Trump into it seems to be seen as a Gotcha on here.

Probably because they have been taken in with them being the only one to state fact. And women are fed up that Labour are going down this road. I wish it wasn't the way, the Tories are no friends of women and will be horrific to women and girls but it's like choosing a shit roll or a shit sandwich to eat.

Eh? Many of these men ARE fetishistic and ALL of the men who barge in to women's spaces are entitled. These are just facts.

ps slinging 'bigot' at anyone who disagrees with you doesn't work any more!

I'm sure there are racist right wing people who believe that you can't change sex. I mean it is a universally known fact (well for the majority 🤗)

This! 99.9% of human beings KNOW that a man in a dress is not a woman. 1% of people pretend.

@AccidentallyWesAnderson

"Probably because they have been taken in with them being the only one to state fact. "

Ah, you mean despite the policies that impact women and girls far more and have far more wide reaching impacts on their lives, because they conformed ( but did not do anything, like you) with their ideology the GCs backed them?

It isn't about women and girls, it shows.

@AccidentallyWesAnderson

"It is. Pregnant people. Chest feeders. Cis 🤮"

Another example of how you've been radicalised. I work in a maternity adjacent field. Midwives use inclusive language - so 'women and pregnant people', and 'breast and chest feeding' because it's central to their job to accommodate the needs of everyone who they care for who is on a maternity journey. They will sometimes find themselves caring for non-binary people or trans men who don't identify as women and don't want to be referred to by the people who are caring for them as women. As midwives know that pregnancy and birth is tough enough already, they do everything they can to make the people they care for feel heard as individuals. This obviously offends you - why?

And nobody is forcing you to use the prefix 'cis' if it hurts your feelings, but it's in the dictionary, has become part of common parlance, and many of us find it a useful signifier.

"Unlike my friend who was the same as you until her young daughter was faced with a transwomen doing performative woman-ing in tight trunks in a swimming pool changing room, if you get my drift."

Translation - 'my friend's child saw a transwoman in a swimsuit'. Shock! Horror!

Is that the only real life encounter that you or someone you know has had with a transwoman? 😂 Reminds me of racists swapping stories about an Asian bloke looking at their niece on the bus...

"This! 99.9% of human beings KNOW that a man in a dress is not a woman. 1% of people pretend."

Is that how you refer to transgender men and women? As people just dressing up? Including people who've had extensive surgery and hormone treatment? Who feel they can't be happy or at peace or their true selves living as their birth sex? And if this was your son or daughter or friend who was trans - you'd ridicule them and dismiss their most deeply held feelings about themselves in exactly the same way? Metaphorically shout in their face 'you're just a man in a dress' until they agree with you or kill themselves?

You genuinely despise transgender people don't you?

This is what I mean when I talk about the damage radicalisation does. You're incapable of seeing trans people as fully human.

*Translation - 'my friend's child saw a transwoman in a swimsuit'. Shock! Horror!

Is that the only real life encounter that you or someone you know has had with a transwoman? 😂 Reminds me of racists swapping stories about an Asian bloke looking at their niece on the bus...*

It's wasn't just a trans woman in a swimsuit situation. No I've had others, if you read my posts properly (by your other posts I would say not). So no Asian bloke has ever committed any offences or acted inappropriately?! How wild. Stretching a bit there are you not but all round unsurprising.

'GCs'. I love that there's a term for people who know basic fact and live in the read world.

Why don't you ask GC people who vote Tory. I am not a Tory supporter. I can't speak for them.

So there are so few transpeople around that you would never see one but language needs to be completely altered to accommodate them. 🤔

Metaphorically shout in their face 'you're just a man in a dress' until they agree with you or kill themselves?

I think that you need help tbh. This is not a rational response to my point at all.

( but did not do anything, like you)

Why do you keep posting big statements like fact, when you have no idea what women who believe that sex matters over gender do or have done?

There's not been a lot of rational responses to be fair. I'm waiting for someone to bring up the far right.

I'm sure there are racist right wing people who believe that you can't change sex

I don't think you can physically change sex either, but can completely see the difference between "We've just got valid concerns, honest!" and utter bigotry that sees people who are trans being demonised, passed off as fetishistic men (trans women) and poor lost, doesn't know what she's doing, poor lamb" (trans men)
If you can't see there's a difference, well that's on you.

I'm waiting for someone to bring up the far right

"GC" views on minority groups do align with the far right though.
Why is it so controversial to point that out?

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Well demonising trans people now means calling trans women men. Which they are. Some will be the nicest people in the world and wouldn't harm a fly, some will be fetishistic predators. The common denominator is that they are men and shouldn't be in spaces that they have no business being in regardless of how they identify.

The ones who push this are the ones that shouldn't be there. And no, that's not on me.

Well argued, well made!
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Well argued, well made!
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The irony! How do GC views align with the far right?

Merely illustrating the ridiculousness of your point.