If you're an undecided voter, what are the issues that are stopping you from deciding?

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As an 'undecided voter', I was watching the Sky News interviews last night and felt myself warming more toward KS. When he started talking honestly about the possible impact on his kids...he suddenly seemed really human, a dad who wanted to pursue this opportunity but wanted to protect his children from the worst of it. However, I'm still undecided.

My politics are usually centre/middle and over the years I've voted Tory and Labour...basically whichever party I felt most aligned with my values.

All I know for sure is that I don't want more of the same and while I am definitely warming to Labour (as well as my local candidate who seems nice) I'm not keen on some others within the party.

I worry that by voting in the seemingly nice people, that it's a door opened to something I can't get on board with. You could equally say the same of the Tories though!!

So I'm wondering if there's any other 'undecided voters' out there (from any side of politics) and what are the issues/policies that are preventing you from being able to make a decision?

I’d rather be disappointed by a government that’s actually trying to make those things better than resigned to one that’s hellbent on destroying them. At least they won’t be pissing the available money away on vanity projects like Rwanda and HS2.

It’s a manifesto goal, so it’s the aim for the next 5 years. To halve it in 5 years would be fab.
To infer from a manifesto commitment that they would be happy at half what there is now is utterly ridiculous.

I’d rather be disappointed by a government that’s trying to make those things better than one that’s hellbent on destroying them. At least a Labour government won’t be pissing money away on vanity projects like Rwanda and HS2.

Sorry, posted twice. 🤭

@cardibach

"The Tories are lying, law breaking, selfish gits who need to be gone now."

I don't disagree but I really don't think that Labour will be much better because the finances won't allow them to be. So a lot of voters will become very angry and disillusioned and will increasingly turn to the right wing Reform
/. Tories at the 2029 election.

Spending the available money wisely can bring about improvements.

They won’t be lying, law break8ng and selfish. That’s already better.
I agree that if they don’t succeed in making things feel better there’ll be resentment, but let’s not just skip over them having a go and assume the result, shall we?

That's all Labour have got, isn't it. "But the Tories!"

I think it's absolutely fucking shameful that after 14 years in opposition they have nothing to offer other than not being the Tories and we are expected to vote for flagrantly anti-woman policies because the "not the Tories" party has decided it likes those policies.

Fucking hell.

Absolutely this

You’re not expected to vote for anything. There are plenty of reasons to vote Labour. Three million of them are children living in poverty, 10,000 are women waiting for sexual assault and rape cases to go to court but those things don’t matter apparently. Fucking hell.

That is such a typical Labour Party reaction to anyone, particularly women like Rosie Duffield who point out inconvenient truths and won’t keep quiet about it. You just want them to leave and go elsewhere so they won’t upset the Labour party’s dreams of being in power.

Yes there are plenty of women MPs in the Labour Party and they most have one thing in common: They keep quiet when it comes to defending the rights of biological women and toe the Labours parties line when it comes to defending trans rights. The Dodds, Butlers, Osbornes, Philips, Reeves, Coopers, Harmans,Creaseys, Phillipsons of the Labour Party should hang their heads in shame over this issue.

This is happening all the time now, people claiming that words spoken or written actually mean something different. No, Labour think that policy, exactly as it's stated, is a good one.

You don’t think an ambition to halve violence against women is a good policy? Tell you what, posters like you really don’t give a shit about women, do you?

It’s you and your ilk who are claiming the words mean something different.

That's so ridiculous. If the word we're using now is ambition then - of course - the ambition should be to end male violence against women not halve it.

Good luck with ending male violence. Are there unicorns in your world?

So you used the word ambition but you don't understand it?

It's a 3 way split at the minute here so I can't work out whether a labour vote or lib dem vote will get the Tory MP out. I am keeping an eye on the analysis. It's frustrating because I would like to vote labour but their candidate doesn't live here and hasn't sent a single leaflet

People like him at a local level because he "does a lot". But what he does is speak at every planning committee objecting to development, knowing full well that his party changed the planning laws to make it far harder to refuse development. And most of the rest of what he claimed to have achieved was actually nothing to do with him (I know, because I worked flat out for years on one of "his" accomplishments ).

Plus his national level voting level is dire. And tbh any MP who didn't quit the Tory party when Boris illegally prorogued parliament is an MP I don't trust.

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@BIossomtoes

"You’re not expected to vote for anything. There are plenty of reasons to vote Labour. Three million of them are children living in poverty, 10,000 are women waiting for sexual assault and rape cases to go to court but those things don’t matter apparently. Fucking hell."

Actually the number of children living in poverty in the UK is closer to 4.3 million and is one of the worst in developed countries. The main reason for this is low parental income caused by long term worklessness, low parental education, family instability.

lordslibrary.parliament.uk/child-poverty-statistics-causes-and-the-uks-policy-response/

And yes these things really do matter and sadly won't change under Labour

To solve this needs two things improved economic growth and a change in attitudes from those affected to have personal responsibility and ambition/ hope to do something about improving their own situation.

The problem with the left is that personal responsibility is criticised as selfishness and personal ambition is criticised as greed.

Instead the left creates personal reliance on the state, an abdication of personal responsibility to the state and destroys ambition and hope.

All of which perpetuates poverty and child poverty. This leads to calls for more state intervention which in turn creates more reliance and destroys more ambition and so on.

Nothing to do with this, then?

In recent years, while real wages have fallen and costs have soared, cuts to social security support have meant the system is doing less just when it needs to do more. Since 2010, about £40 billion has been taken from the annual social security budget through benefit freezes, the two-child limit, the 'bedroom tax' and the benefit cap. Deductions for things like repaying universal credit advances also reduce incomes. And many families need to make up a shortfall in rent due to cuts in housing benefit.

No. It’s not. But every time anyone tells you any you keep coming back to ideas you’ve made up about how they will act on one area of policy. You won’t listen to anything else. There’s tons of positives but you refuse to see them because you believe the Tories have your best interests at heart. They don’t. They are lying law breakers who only care about themselves, money and power (talking about the current crop in government, not everyone who has ever supported them before you start). And in response to your views the only thing that might actually break through is asking you to think about what the Tories have actually done for women and girls. The answer is - nothing good. And it’s getting worse.
land you won’t even consider it.
Fucking hell indeed.

Go ahead. Labour’s not going to miss your vote

That's interesting to know

They're not made up policies. Self ID is right there in their manifesto. Identifying as "not self ID".

It's like they think women are fucking stupid.

Well if they think I'm fucking stupid, either because they think they can pull the wool over my eyes, or because I choose to vote for someone else, that's on them.

My fucking stupid vote is worth as much as the vote of a person who holds the correct opinions and is on the right side of history, so if they don't want it, that's up to them.

I hate the Tories but I can't deny that they have started to sort out the prison debacle so hopefully we won't see any more Karen White incidents, they commissioned the Cass report and have been working on the schools guidance, they are correctly repositioning gender identity as a belief system rather than an objective reality, and they have said they will strengthen the Equality Act to ensure that the protected characteristic of sex means real sex, not imaginary sex.

Labour have made it clear that they won't do any of that.

It's like they haven't understood the purpose of voting, or elections.

Sorry, have I understood you correctly? You don't think the policy to halve violence against women and girls is ambitious enough, so instead you are going to vote for a party that's made no commitments at all to reducing VAWG?
That can't be what you mean, surely??

I have no idea where you got the idea that you know how I'm voting. You don't.