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General election 2024

If you're an undecided voter, what are the issues that are stopping you from deciding?

378 replies

tomatoesatbreakfast · 13/06/2024 08:03

As an 'undecided voter', I was watching the Sky News interviews last night and felt myself warming more toward KS. When he started talking honestly about the possible impact on his kids...he suddenly seemed really human, a dad who wanted to pursue this opportunity but wanted to protect his children from the worst of it. However, I'm still undecided.

My politics are usually centre/middle and over the years I've voted Tory and Labour...basically whichever party I felt most aligned with my values.

All I know for sure is that I don't want more of the same and while I am definitely warming to Labour (as well as my local candidate who seems nice) I'm not keen on some others within the party.

I worry that by voting in the seemingly nice people, that it's a door opened to something I can't get on board with. You could equally say the same of the Tories though!!

So I'm wondering if there's any other 'undecided voters' out there (from any side of politics) and what are the issues/policies that are preventing you from being able to make a decision?

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cardibach · 23/06/2024 18:50

ChaToilLeam · 23/06/2024 17:40

I am politically homeless. Usually a Labour voter but they can’t be trusted to defend women’s rights. Tories corrupt and have been disastrous for the poor and disadvantaged. Greens are lunatics. So are SNP. Reform - never ever. There’s an independent standing in my constituency but very hard to determine what she is actually standing for. So what to do? I don’t want to spoil my ballot but they are all bloody awful.

Maybe look for who actually aligns with your views and values rather than going for soundbites from liars (for clarity, the Tories are the liars and they are lying about women’s rights).
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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 19:14

cardibach · 23/06/2024 18:50

Maybe look for who actually aligns with your views and values rather than going for soundbites from liars (for clarity, the Tories are the liars and they are lying about women’s rights).
https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

None of them align with my views or values.

Passiflora2 · 23/06/2024 19:43

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 19:14

None of them align with my views or values.

Yes that’s the whole point! So many people saying the same thing!

cardibach · 23/06/2024 20:14

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 19:14

None of them align with my views or values.

Have you done the quiz?

cardibach · 23/06/2024 20:14

Passiflora2 · 23/06/2024 19:43

Yes that’s the whole point! So many people saying the same thing!

Have you done the quiz?

PoundlandColumbo · 23/06/2024 20:16

Can I just point out that the quiz thing doesn't work for voters in Scotland? England and Wales only currently.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 20:19

cardibach · 23/06/2024 20:14

Have you done the quiz?

I don't need to. The Tories are the Tories, and the rest of them think I'm an evil bigot because I think women as a biological sex class deserve to exist and have language for ourselves and single sex spaces and sporting categories of our own.

BIossomtoes · 23/06/2024 20:21

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 20:19

I don't need to. The Tories are the Tories, and the rest of them think I'm an evil bigot because I think women as a biological sex class deserve to exist and have language for ourselves and single sex spaces and sporting categories of our own.

I understand J K Rowling is recommending the Communist party.

cardibach · 23/06/2024 20:21

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 20:19

I don't need to. The Tories are the Tories, and the rest of them think I'm an evil bigot because I think women as a biological sex class deserve to exist and have language for ourselves and single sex spaces and sporting categories of our own.

Is there really nothing else that could help you decide your vote? The economy? Tax? NHS and social care? Education? General morality?
Apart from the fact that you are indulging in ridiculous hyperbole…

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 21:44

cardibach · 23/06/2024 20:21

Is there really nothing else that could help you decide your vote? The economy? Tax? NHS and social care? Education? General morality?
Apart from the fact that you are indulging in ridiculous hyperbole…

Not really. I don't think people who are so dishonest or so stupid that they are willing to say that some women have a penis are clever enough to fix any of those things.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 21:45

BIossomtoes · 23/06/2024 20:21

I understand J K Rowling is recommending the Communist party.

JK Rowling suggested that she might vote for an independent candidate, IIRC.

I can't vote for the Communist Party anyway.

Scruffily · 23/06/2024 21:46

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 21:44

Not really. I don't think people who are so dishonest or so stupid that they are willing to say that some women have a penis are clever enough to fix any of those things.

I've seen some non-sequiturs in my time, but that takes the biscuit.

BIossomtoes · 23/06/2024 21:48

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 21:45

JK Rowling suggested that she might vote for an independent candidate, IIRC.

I can't vote for the Communist Party anyway.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1804592902167019897

x.com

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1804592902167019897

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 21:50

Fair enough. There isn't one in mine so I couldn't vote for them even if I wanted to.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 21:51

Scruffily · 23/06/2024 21:46

I've seen some non-sequiturs in my time, but that takes the biscuit.

Not at all.

If you're an undecided voter, what are the issues that are stopping you from deciding?
cardibach · 23/06/2024 21:55

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 21:44

Not really. I don't think people who are so dishonest or so stupid that they are willing to say that some women have a penis are clever enough to fix any of those things.

OK. But not voting to GTTO is also very, very bad for women and girls. If you can live with that, fine.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 22:16

cardibach · 23/06/2024 21:55

OK. But not voting to GTTO is also very, very bad for women and girls. If you can live with that, fine.

The only candidate that can beat the Tories in my consistency is the Lib Dem and over my dead, cold body am I voting for him. They have, in fact, asked feminists not to vote for them, and I am taking them at their word. I've voted for them in almost every election since I got the right to vote but never again.

Scruffily · 23/06/2024 22:22

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 21:51

Not at all.

Posting an unthought-out meme doesn't make it any less of a non-sequitur.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 22:24

Scruffily · 23/06/2024 22:22

Posting an unthought-out meme doesn't make it any less of a non-sequitur.

It's not unthought out. It says exactly what I am thinking.

Someone who says that women can have penises - whether because they actually believe it or for woke points - does not make me think, "You seem like an intelligent, honest person, let's put you in charge of running the country, I'm sure you'll do a smashing job."

RufustheFactualReindeer · 23/06/2024 22:30

I used to rate David Lammy and then he said about men being able to have a cervix after various hormones and ‘procedures’

and i was like ‘nope’

’nope, nope,nope’

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 22:33

RufustheFactualReindeer · 23/06/2024 22:30

I used to rate David Lammy and then he said about men being able to have a cervix after various hormones and ‘procedures’

and i was like ‘nope’

’nope, nope,nope’

Yeah, same.

Also the part where he called women who need single sex spaces "dinosaurs who hoard rights".

And then I found out that he stood up in parliament in 2003 and defended the only exception in the Gender Recognition Act, the one that ensures that male aristocrats can't lose their inheritance if they become legally female or their sister becomes legally male.

There is not one other exception in that act. Absolutely fuck all to protect women. Nothing about female prisoners or rape crisis groups or intimate care. Just the landed fucking gentry.

But female rape survivors who want single sex support are "dinosaurs who hoard rights".

Fuck you, David Lammy.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 23/06/2024 22:36

And then I found out that he stood up in parliament in 2003 and defended the only exception in the Gender Recognition Act, the one that ensures that male aristocrats can't lose their inheritance if they become legally female or their sister becomes legally male

did not know that

very disappointing

Userxyd · 24/06/2024 04:31

There is not one other exception in that act. Absolutely fuck all to protect women. Nothing about female prisoners or rape crisis groups or intimate care. Just the landed fucking gentry.*
*
Agreed. Labour give precisely zero fucks about raped, disabled and other highly vulnerable women and girls and instead have positioned themselves with the screaming threatening men desperate to get into these safe spaces.

Such a shame when I'm with them generally otherwise.

Userxyd · 24/06/2024 04:37

@MissScarletInTheBallroom you are totally right - I agree that safety of women and girls takes priority over everything else.
We can't sacrifice the vulnerable for the needs of others. Who will stand up for them otherwise? Doesn't bear thinking about.