Tonight's debate 7.30pm BBC 1

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Anyone fancy a discussion thread?

I like Penny but the Conservatives are fucked and she knows it. I bet she's fucking furious with Rishi and doesn't agree with the lines she's having to spout.

I'm a traditional Labour voter but don't llike Angela at all, never have (I'm active in Unison so have met her several times).

Loathe the SNP - suspect the clappers are either SNP voters or English people who are ignorant of the fact its not all sunshine and daisies up here.

She's everything non Labour voters dislike about Labour, rude, aggressive, and plays the professional Northerner too hard (I'm not English but have lived in he NE for 33 years, and consider myself an honorary Geordie)
She really grinds my gears

We really need to have mute buttons in these debates as standard.

I'll be surprised if Mordaunt still has hers on July 5th.

Looks unlikely according to...

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?postcode=PO2+0BH

She's literally Northern. Professional northerner is an insult of derision doled out by those who have problems with the very idea that there is a North.

Thought the host is doing a decent job during this debate.

@gingercat02 haddaway and shite, Bonny lass. Honorary Geordie haha.
She's a clever articulate and strong woman. That's why people don't like her.

The problem with GB energy is that it’s just an investment vehicle- it is not a publicly owned energy company as people understand it. I don’t really get why the public investment is even important- it may even end up being a hindrance.

The rudest and most aggressive person by a long stretch in this debate is wealthy, entitled Farage.

A bit of a mess a lot of this is not feasible

Loathe the SNP - suspect the clappers are either SNP voters or English people who are ignorant of the fact its not all sunshine and daisies up here

Agree. Flynn probably sounds impressive to many people in England who have no idea what a shitshow the SNP really are.

Other than having a northern accent which is consistent with where she comes from, I'm unclear how Rayner "plays the professional northerner"?

She's hardly going around with a whippet and flat cap saying "ee bah gum, ey up chuck..." etc.

MN is a left wing echo chamber at times.* Rayner is staggeringly unimpressive.*

She is. I'm not a Labour voter by any means but I haven't minded Starmer, Miliband and Brown. Rayner comes across as gobby and unintelligent though Penny's demeanour is quite off putting (and I say that as a soon to be ex Conservative voter).

Honestly, love him or hate him, Farage is wiping the floor with all of them. Keeps to the question asked and lands his point clearly. You may not like his policies but he knows how to debate (as he did to engage on I'm a celeb).

You're showing your prejudice.

No hedge fund manager is paying top rate tax on all their income over 100k so Labour will get them by taxing their other wheezes

100% agree

I'm not a fan of his but I don't agree. He has come across well, even though I personally don't agree with him. He is an excellent public speaker.

I think the Conservative, Labour and SNP representatives have come across as bookish, rude and to be honest half the time I've just zoned out when they start yelling at each other.

Me too. If I was in the US in the 50s, I would have McCarthy knocking at my door!

Jeez, who'd be a woman in politics ?

Gobby = forthright and strongly speaks up
demeanour = determined and straight backed?

Farage though = good debater.

I debated at very high levels. You quite simply were not allowed to shout, interrupt and heckle.

I don't mind the middle class white men. A working class woman from the North though <sucks teeth>

No hedge fund manager is paying top rate tax so Labour will get them by taxing their other wheezes

There are hedge fund managers in my firm and I can assure you they do. I'm sure they do tax planning but they're still being paid an hefty income that's subject to PAYE like everyone else.

So you were impressed when he deliberately spoke over the Green speaker?

Mordaunt is dreadful. Very shouty and spouting the £2000 (and other) lies

She is very patronising.

I loved Carla pointing out Nigels lies

Mordaunt is deluded. Taking people with you.

She's a tory, she knows about crashing things like supply chains and economies.

And Mordaunt, shut the fuck up and let other people talk.