Voting for Reform

[Behappyandbehave]

Would this be such a bad idea? I hate labour and tories. But I don't know enough about Reform.

Yes, and this is absolutely how you educate people who you feel differently to..................

I'm voting reform

This is due to trade of goods which saw exports fall by £15bn, strikes, low school attendance. High inflation, high rents, high energy costs don’t attract investors from companies

Labour needs all the help it can get after Keir's performance tonight.

YouGov

Who did better on...

Cost of living: Sunak 38% / Starmer 51%
NHS: Sunak 28% / Starmer 61%
Education: Sunak 31% / Starmer 52%
Tax: Sunak 53% / Starmer 32%
Immigration: Sunak 45% / Starmer 42%
Climate change: Sunak 24% / Starmer 48%

Looks (from this thread) like a good deal of people are voting for Reform! I know a number of people in real life who are going to vote for Reform also. Some of them are people who were going to vote for Labour. I am really on the fence right now. It's so hard to know who to go for. Was going to be Labour, but I'm not so sure now. At the rate things are going, there will be a hung parliament/coalition.

I haven't seen the leaders debate from tonight yet - I have recorded it and will watch tomorrow. But the leaders debate from some years ago, made me really like Nick Clegg, and I voted LibDems, and look what happened there. Shit all over the young by tripling tuition fees for uni, instead of getting rid of them like he promised.

I don't trust any of them tbh.

This!

When I came here on a student visa, my dad put £100k in a bank account to show UKVI that he could afford my rent in London for 3 years plus international fees.

After I married dh , we saved up to buy our flat together and we did but if dh didn't have a place to stay rent free aka his mum's house, my dad would have bought us a house in london to live rent free. He was thinking of doing it as many of his friends were buying London properties (had no intention of ever living in the uk, at that time a lot of london properties were sold to foreign investors abroad).

Please go on about how we immigrants can't afford to buy our homes or don't have skills. The route to ILR costs around 10k per person (only waived for those on health and social care visas). Look at international fees. Vast majority of skilled worker visas outside the nhs and social care recruitment schemes are issued to employees in London and they don't do it for every Tom dick or Harry. People don't pay 10k for immigration fees unless they can at least cover costs or have good reasons to be here like family or fleeing war (it is generally the better off who can afford to flee war anyway)..

25% of brits of working age are economically unproductive. This is mostly for good reasons like caring for family members and illness but the fact is they cannot work. That is something that can't be changed overnight and they are the ones who may struggle to afford to be self sufficient if they don't have supportive family members.

I remember during the brexit debate when pretty much anyone on mumsnet who said they would vote leave (which was a minority) was either called names or accused of being a bot.

I remember some smug posters proclaiming that it was only bots, that only a minority of idiots would actually vote differently to them, and that the status quo would be maintained.

How did that work out for you?

If you haven't noticed the simmering anger and resentment growing around the levels of immigration, then you haven't been paying attention.

It's not just bots, racists or bigots. It's ordinary people, some of whom have been negatively impacted by immigration levels. Looking down your nose and denying their reality is just pushing these ordinary people further right as they look for help.

Do you not think it is just storing up problems for the future.

These 'young' people moving here (even without factoring in the dependants they bring, who burden the NHS and education system more) aren't immortal. They will eventually grow old themselves.

Then what? We just keep adding and adding and adding? How is that going to work long term? Then those people will get old too, we will need to balance out the pyramid again. Many people hate the idea of their great great grandchildren living in a cramped dystopian hell hole, they quite like greenery.

Perhaps if we went through the short term pain of massively reducing immigration, wages would be forced to rise, our systems would be under less strain and the birthrate might go up once people's quality of life increases again instead if the constant decrease many have seen.

I 100% agree with your last point.
I wasn't aware of the first point.
Thank you. Even more reasons !!!

It's hard to tell if you're going taking the piss with this comment.

"I remember some smug posters proclaiming that it was only bots, that only a minority of idiots would actually vote differently to them, and that the status quo would be maintained.

How did that work out for you?"
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How did voting breshit work out for you???

Uk economy is &140 billion smaller, the average Briton was nearly £2,000 worse off in 2023, while the average Londoner was nearly £3,400 worse off last year as a result of Brexit.*
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T*here are nearly two million fewer jobs overall in the UK due to Brexit – with almost 300,000 fewer jobs in the capital alone.

My point is genuine, just to clarify.

We had a very interesting discussion with our children this week and their friends and all are voting reform. They are early twenties and late teens. And they seem to believe all their friends are too. There's a whole new generation that have been screwed by the tories in recent years

There are more people in employment now than before Brexit?

GDP has increased from £2.7 trillion to £3.1 trillion?

What on earth are you taking about?

GDP has increased from £2.7 trillion to £3.1 trillion?

just because something increases - doesn't mean it has increased by as much as it could have done - it could have been £3.9 billion for example instead of £3.1bn

But the previous poster claimed that the economy was smaller, not that it had grown more slowly (which is completely hypothetical).

wtf? 😳

I'm very surprised at this! My DCs are early 20s and wouldn't dream of voting Reform .... and I'd be amazed if many of their friends would either.

I know, it’s horrifying….

Surely a wind up!

Isn't that poster just saying she doesn't agree with the way halal meat animals are slaughtered?