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General election 2024

Voting for Reform

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Behappyandbehave · 04/06/2024 13:34

Would this be such a bad idea? I hate labour and tories. But I don't know enough about Reform.

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Livelovebehappy · 04/06/2024 21:18

bombastix · 04/06/2024 21:01

Actually immigration is not top of the public’s concerns. But it suits some to say that it is

But it is. Definitely up there in the top three.

Beefandwine · 04/06/2024 21:27

ThisOldThang · 04/06/2024 19:54

I voted to leave because I thought there was too much risk attached to staying in the EU.

The stated goal of the EU is the abolition of the nation states of Europe via 'Ever Closer Union'. The EU is fundamentally undemocratic and shows no signs of ever becoming democratic. I can't see how it could even function if it were democratic because all the poorer countries would vote en mass for the richer countries to bankroll them.

Abolishing the UK and being absorbed into an unaccountable supranational organisation seems pretty fucking reckless to me, but I must be thick for actually bothering to think about such things.

Whenever I've tried to discuss things with remain voters, they've been completely ignorant of how the EU is governed (e.g. they think the EU parliament is the equivalent of the House of Commons making laws, rather than the House of Lords rubber stamping laws). The average Remain voter seemed to think that supporting the EU is just what nice people do. The economics of the single market escape them - e.g. they're ignorant of the fact it's only a single market in goods and not services, which the other nations had no intention of ever changing because Britain is so good at services and would have put their domestic companies out of business (in a similar fashion to how their manufacturers put ours out of business).

This ☝️ as a law graduate and solicitor. I couldn't in good conscience vote away our sovereignty.

I will be voting Reform in this election. 🗳

HannibalHeyes · 04/06/2024 21:30

You obviously didn't learn very much then...

StarDolphins · 04/06/2024 21:33

mossylog · 04/06/2024 13:40

Their main policy is net zero migration, so if you particularly hate foreigners then they are the party for you. Otherwise, maybe pick someone else.

Sneery response. ’hate foreigners’ is not the same as controlled immigration.

HannibalHeyes · 04/06/2024 21:36

Unfortunately, it pretty much always is...

mossylog · 04/06/2024 21:44

StarDolphins · 04/06/2024 21:33

Sneery response. ’hate foreigners’ is not the same as controlled immigration.

Nothing "sneery" about calling a spade a spade.

Achieving zero net migration, which is what Reform want, means inflicting suffering on the millions of British people who can't have their loved ones live with them, or postgraduate students who have to leave the country if they want to be with their children. It means anxiety for thousands of elderly West Indians who worry about being deported to a country they haven't seen in fifty years. Supporting a hostile environment, deportations, ever ratcheting visa costs, or quotas is to support the suffering of people on the basis that they were born somewhere other than here even when they have a close connection to this place (or have lived here many years).

For those of us with foreigners as friends, family and neighbours, or who were born abroad and now call the UK our home, Reform isn't the right choice.

WaitingfortheTardis · 04/06/2024 21:46

Anyone voting for Reform is clearly lacking in brains or morals, probably both.

CaravaggiosCat · 04/06/2024 21:53

HannibalHeyes · 04/06/2024 21:11

As opposed to nut jobs like Farage, Tice, Leanderthal etc...

I'm not voting Reform tbh, however I know who's posing the biggest threat to national security......

Alicewinn · 04/06/2024 21:57

BluntFatball · 04/06/2024 15:00

I'm voting for Reform.

Not necessarily because I hope that they will win, but I'm hoping enough protest votes for them will enable an actual conversation to open up around immigration, without the name calling.

Years of downplaying and ignoring concerns has just allowed more extreme feelings to grow.

Just being told 'it's good for the economy, shut up bigot' doesn't really work when gdp per capita has gone down despite very high levels of immigration.

Our current birth rate is so low that we should be encouraging immigration or they’ll be nobody to pay for our elders.

caringcarer · 04/06/2024 21:59

Opallfleur2026 · 04/06/2024 19:08

Health and social care accoubt for 75% of work visas which are the majority of visas.

Nigel is talking shit, if he is going to admit care workers and nhs staff that is a big chunk. And unless he wants university insolvencies, the foreign students are coming plus universities are main engine of growth in the regions.

If you don't want so many foreign students you probably have to reform student finance. Graduate tax or means tested student loans. Probably the former.

Many of these foreign EU students agree to pay student loans back but don't. Instead they go back to their own countries and never repay the UK. Students in the UK who earn above a set amount have money taken from their pay to repay their debt. EU students who study in the UK don't.

HannibalHeyes · 04/06/2024 22:01

caringcarer · 04/06/2024 21:59

Many of these foreign EU students agree to pay student loans back but don't. Instead they go back to their own countries and never repay the UK. Students in the UK who earn above a set amount have money taken from their pay to repay their debt. EU students who study in the UK don't.

Why on earth do you think they would be getting student loans? This is absolute bullshit!

They pay an exorbitant amount to come and study here, and what they pay subsidises our own students to go and study.

This is honestly such ignorant bullshit!

Alicewinn · 04/06/2024 22:07

Livelovebehappy · 04/06/2024 21:00

Agree with this 100%. Our infrastructure is collapsing. Housing especially so. Followed very closely by the NHS. It’s mad that we have people on waiting lists in temporary accommodation for years just to be housed, yet we are letting more and more people come in, many of whom have no skills and no hope of purchasing their own home, hold down a job and pay taxes. Why are both Labour and the Tories now focusing so much on immigration control coming up to the next GE? Because they are aware the majority of the voting public consider this a priority.

We need people, our birth rate is too low, understandably because our childcare is too expensive. Government should be encouraging people to have more kids if anything. they’ll be nobody to pay for generation x, y. The housing shortage is due to landlords exiting the market so supply has plummeted. They’re supposed to build 300,000 homes per year but planning and red tape slows things down.

frankentall · 04/06/2024 22:08

HannibalHeyes · 04/06/2024 21:36

Unfortunately, it pretty much always is...

Keep right on sneering

frankentall · 04/06/2024 22:11

WaitingfortheTardis · 04/06/2024 21:46

Anyone voting for Reform is clearly lacking in brains or morals, probably both.

This kind of sneering won't do anything to disuade people who may be inclined to vote for them.

TheFunHasGone · 04/06/2024 22:11

It's like brexit all over again

HannibalHeyes · 04/06/2024 22:13

frankentall · 04/06/2024 22:11

This kind of sneering won't do anything to disuade people who may be inclined to vote for them.

No, but neither will facts. They will vote whatever racist way they want to, but hopefully more sensible people will realise and actually use their brains...

deltablue · 04/06/2024 22:22

ThisOldThang · 04/06/2024 17:56

Zero net immigration still equates to 600,000 immigrants per year.

I'm not sure why allowing 600k people into the country is considered to be 'hating foreigners'.

We have a housing crisis. Rents are becoming unaffordable. GDP pet capita is stagnant. Public services are overwhelmed and failing.

Limiting immigration to those with the skills that we need seems entirely sensible to me.

Yes. I've voted Tory, Labour and Green in the past but Reform will get my vote this time. And no, I don't live in Folkestone- I'm a fully paid up chattering north London type, thank you.

ThisOldThang · 04/06/2024 22:24

TheFunHasGone · 04/06/2024 22:11

It's like brexit all over again

It's difficult to deal with some people without being dragged down to their level.

They're 100% convinced that they're correct. It's actually quite sad to encounter.

SpindleyDindley · 04/06/2024 22:27

I am voting for them as a protest vote. I am more aligned to the Conservatives and was tempted by labour but their stance on women's rights is worrisome.

Brumhilda · 04/06/2024 22:29

BluntFatball · 04/06/2024 15:00

I'm voting for Reform.

Not necessarily because I hope that they will win, but I'm hoping enough protest votes for them will enable an actual conversation to open up around immigration, without the name calling.

Years of downplaying and ignoring concerns has just allowed more extreme feelings to grow.

Just being told 'it's good for the economy, shut up bigot' doesn't really work when gdp per capita has gone down despite very high levels of immigration.

Yep, me too.

caringcarer · 04/06/2024 22:37

HannibalHeyes · 04/06/2024 22:01

Why on earth do you think they would be getting student loans? This is absolute bullshit!

They pay an exorbitant amount to come and study here, and what they pay subsidises our own students to go and study.

This is honestly such ignorant bullshit!

eustudentsintheuk.com/eu-student-finance/

frankentall · 04/06/2024 22:56

SpindleyDindley · 04/06/2024 22:27

I am voting for them as a protest vote. I am more aligned to the Conservatives and was tempted by labour but their stance on women's rights is worrisome.

Great news, splitting the right wing vote should help Labour

Nelliemellie · 04/06/2024 22:58

Farage in 2016 mostly appealed to the racists who thought they would get rid of immigrants. All that happened was degree educated professionals mostly white from Europe had to go back. Countries like Poland did well out of it as they needed the workers.
All immigrants with money will just leave if racism escalates.

MikeRafone · 04/06/2024 23:01

A vote for reform is a vote is a vote for a sheep in wolfs clothing. It’s about reform taking over the Tory party for their own means.

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